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Quote from: bering on September 06, 2023, 03:05:49 AM

Manchester City is really into easy group because they only will faced Leipzig, Red Star and Young Boys so we all know Manchester City squad quality is far above to these teams and certainly they will advances to the next stage with smoothly because possibly Manchester City will beat all of them and on the paper Leipzig is became an the second team who possibly will qualified but they have bad experience when they met Manchester City last season because on round of 16 Leipzig has been humiliated by Manchester City with huge scores 7-0 and i am sure they have ambition want to get revenge but i think it will be very hard because Manchester City currently as one of the strongest team in Europa and not much team who can able to beat them

Most of the groups seems easy in Champions League this year but surprise results have happened here not long ago when Maccabi Haifa beat Juventus two times and they were qualified for Europa League while Juventus stayed out completely.This to say that things may look easy on paper but in reality if surprise results happen I would not be surprised at all as this is football in the end,of course I do not expect any surprise against the likes of Manchester City and Bayern Munchen which are some big teams while for any other team any result cannot be considered a big surprise if they lose a game.

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Manchester City is really into easy group because they only will faced Leipzig, Red Star and Young Boys so we all know Manchester City squad quality is far above to these teams and certainly they will advances to the next stage with smoothly because possibly Manchester City will beat all of them and on the paper Leipzig is became an the second team who possibly will qualified but they have bad experience when they met Manchester City last season because on round of 16 Leipzig has been humiliated by Manchester City with huge scores 7-0 and i am sure they have ambition want to get revenge but i think it will be very hard because Manchester City currently as one of the strongest team in Europa and not much team who can able to beat them

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After all, now Sevilla has succeeded to bringing in Ramos and at least, maybe having Ramos it will make Sevilla defense even better. Indeed, there is still no definite guarantee, but at least with Ramos, it maybe also improve the quality of Sevilla performance later. I personally really look forward to the big impact that Sevilla will have after having Ramos in their squad, because of course we know that Ramos is a senior player who can be a change on the field. Therefore, I am personally quite optimistic that Sevilla will be able to finish in second place in this group phase, and if that happens then Sevilla will not continue to the Europa League.

when we think optimistically there will definitely be slight changes for Sevilla after the return of Ramos to the Sevilla line up to try their luck with the performance he has to help Sevilla to qualify for the preliminary round. and if we think realistically, of course we know that every player who is a little old will definitely experience a decrease in performance, even though in the past, when Ramos did not join another team, he still did his own training, but in terms of stamina, it has decreased and in the UCL there are many young players from other teams that have far more stable performances such as Arsenal players. well, even though Sevilla will be able to appear perfect on the field because of Ramos they will have to compete with Arsenal who for me will be a challenger that will make it difficult for Sevilla to qualify for the next round.

We all know that Sergio Ramos is a great leader. So probably he will be able to lead the squad properly. The way they are performing right now does feel like they need a good leader. Sometimes having a great coach and also having a good squad might not play properly, if the leader is not a strong-minded one. And I think Sergio Ramos might be able to fill up that void.

And we are obviously not going to expect too many incredible and special performances from Ramos. He is obviously quite old now. He is not the player that he was when he was in his prime. I know that a lot of people are thinking this is going to make the team go further in the Champions League competition. But I really do not think that is actually going to happen.

@Minecache I personally don’t expect Ramos to fix Sevilla’s defences because he’s not in his prime anymore hence at best he can share his experience and groom other defenders but besides that I don’t expect him to do much especially in the Champions League. Furthermore I have said it before and I’ll say it again that I won’t be surprised if Sevilla get themselves knocked back to the Europa League because they have crazy luck in that tournament and they just can’t stop winning it.

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That's the reason numerous clubs were valuing UCL spot is pretty much the same like trophy. The reward offered to participate in UCL is far higher than european league. I would not be surprised that if being unable in qualifying for UCL is a very bad thing for the club. The gap is too big. The UCL club loses its spirit once it was going down to the europe league. I do understand if the gap is very big. The reward offered from participating in the UCL considerably big.

Even the middle tier team was also trying to put it as the main target.

More profitable earn when participating in UEFA Champion League than Europe League, from winning all matches since group phase until final stage all teams will achieve much money from UEFA. Large gap reward achievement between winning matches in Champion League and Europe League actually with teams have bad financial and they can earn as much possible by participating in UEFA Champion League keep in the winning trend all matches.

Last season, Manchester City earned almost 180 million euro after winning Champion League tittle and will be difference amount if City success winning all matches from group phase, knock out phase until final stage. Become motivation for small teams with small financial by participating in Champion League and earn much reward.

this is the reason why almost all teams from any league that are included in the UCL list always have the goal of achieving the UCL title because this competition is the greatest pride for all teams and if a team can reach the UCL final, win the match and get a trophy, of course that team will being part of a big, great team can conquer this competition and be able to compete strongly with other teams.

so its only natural that after Man City new record breaking many other teams will try to appear strongly in the UCL this season and I only hope that there will be a new record breaker as UCL trophy holders from other teams to create competitive matches.

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Sevilla can still qualify because I am quite optimistic about their game which can always provide surprises. Moreover, the club in Group B that we need to watch out for the most is Arsenal, while PSV and Lens can still be overcome by Sevilla in terms of games on the field. I will not doubt the mentality of the Sevilla players. Sevilla, which always subscribes to the Europa League trophy, is now starting to want to try bigger opportunities. Even though currently in La Liga the results are quite surprising where a total of 3 matches have never won though.

Lance started the season very badly, maybe even worse than Sevilla, so we can assume that Sevilla will have a chance to continue their participation in the LE. Whether they can be better than PSV, I don’t know, maybe there are chances. I think Arsenal will get the first place in this group, and Sevilla and PSV will fight for the second and third places, that's my forecast. Despite the fact that Sevilla play poorly in La Liga, they know how to surprise in euro cups.

I can't forget in the Europe League Sevilla won the title while they didn't have many good players and they won the games against the teams with much better situations. This time against Sevilla is lucky because they are in the group with teams like Lance and PSV while we know the other group is much stronger than this one
It's not surprising to see even Sevilla get to the next stage in this Champions League.

The Sevilla team also played in the Champions league last season. But their performance in the Champions League was very poor. Even in La liga this team could not play well in the last season. Their only goal was the Europa league title. And finally the team was able to secure the Europa League title. Despite performing well in the Europa League, the team's performance in the La Liga and Champions league was poor. I think we will see the same thing this season. I wouldn't expect much from this team in Champions League or La Liga. Sevilla know very well that they will not have much advantage in the Champions League. Their goal will be the Europa League title this season as well.

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Quote from: JeffBrad12 on September 05, 2023, 08:56:11 PM

That's the reason numerous clubs were valuing UCL spot is pretty much the same like trophy. The reward offered to participate in UCL is far higher than european league. I would not be surprised that if being unable in qualifying for UCL is a very bad thing for the club. The gap is too big. The UCL club loses its spirit once it was going down to the europe league. I do understand if the gap is very big. The reward offered from participating in the UCL considerably big.

Even the middle tier team was also trying to put it as the main target.

More profitable earn when participating in UEFA Champion League than Europe League, from winning all matches since group phase until final stage all teams will achieve much money from UEFA. Large gap reward achievement between winning matches in Champion League and Europe League actually with teams have bad financial and they can earn as much possible by participating in UEFA Champion League keep in the winning trend all matches.

Last season, Manchester City earned almost 180 million euro after winning Champion League tittle and will be difference amount if City success winning all matches from group phase, knock out phase until final stage. Become motivation for small teams with small financial by participating in Champion League and earn much reward.

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Quote from: Volgastallion on September 05, 2023, 06:36:45 PM

The ammount of money you earn for a win in the group stage in Champions League its so big, imagine if you winthe 6 game you earn 12+ millions only for the wins, so its a normal player fee..... incredible, i kn ow the teams who are gonna win the 6 games are the big ones who spend much more in a transfer, but still significant.

That's the reason numerous clubs were valuing UCL spot is pretty much the same like trophy. The reward offered to participate in UCL is far higher than european league. I would not be surprised that if being unable in qualifying for UCL is a very bad thing for the club. The gap is too big. The UCL club loses its spirit once it was going down to the europe league. I do understand if the gap is very big. The reward offered from participating in the UCL considerably big.

Even the middle tier team was also trying to put it as the main target.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on September 05, 2023, 02:06:31 PM

I would guess that Sevilla will not do that well at UCL anyway, so "focusing on UCL" is not something sevilla can really do, it is not going to help them in any case and it will not benefit them all that much neither. I think it should be important to keep it going one way or another.

I do believe that we are not going to end up with a good result, but that doesn't mean that league should be not cared about neither. League is the only thing they should care about, and if they are lucky they will be third at the group stages of UCL and go back to europa which they are good at anyway and they will be doing fine. That is the best way for them to move forward, the Europa win if they can, which is hard I know, and also league top four.

They appear to be in a poor form for the last three la Liga games player but they can still a quick turn around both in the league and then to the Champions League.
They are not the side they performs well during the Champions League, I can still remember Chelsea and Oliver Giroud scoring three goals to send them down the group stage.
Sevilla has appeared to be better while playing the europa league games to that of Champions League, but with Ramos around they can be very confident if getting far.

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Quote from: len01 on September 05, 2023, 01:11:39 PM

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After all, now Sevilla has succeeded to bringing in Ramos and at least, maybe having Ramos it will make Sevilla defense even better. Indeed, there is still no definite guarantee, but at least with Ramos, it maybe also improve the quality of Sevilla performance later. I personally really look forward to the big impact that Sevilla will have after having Ramos in their squad, because of course we know that Ramos is a senior player who can be a change on the field. Therefore, I am personally quite optimistic that Sevilla will be able to finish in second place in this group phase, and if that happens then Sevilla will not continue to the Europa League.

when we think optimistically there will definitely be slight changes for Sevilla after the return of Ramos to the Sevilla line up to try their luck with the performance he has to help Sevilla to qualify for the preliminary round. and if we think realistically, of course we know that every player who is a little old will definitely experience a decrease in performance, even though in the past, when Ramos did not join another team, he still did his own training, but in terms of stamina, it has decreased and in the UCL there are many young players from other teams that have far more stable performances such as Arsenal players. well, even though Sevilla will be able to appear perfect on the field because of Ramos they will have to compete with Arsenal who for me will be a challenger that will make it difficult for Sevilla to qualify for the next round.

We all know that Sergio Ramos is a great leader. So probably he will be able to lead the squad properly. The way they are performing right now does feel like they need a good leader. Sometimes having a great coach and also having a good squad might not play properly, if the leader is not a strong-minded one. And I think Sergio Ramos might be able to fill up that void.

And we are obviously not going to expect too many incredible and special performances from Ramos. He is obviously quite old now. He is not the player that he was when he was in his prime. I know that a lot of people are thinking this is going to make the team go further in the Champions League competition. But I really do not think that is actually going to happen.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on September 05, 2023, 01:07:22 PM

I think that it would be much better for Sevilla to go down to the Europa League rather than continuing in the Champions League. Because clearly they can be more successful there. Sevilla have already started poorly to the season. On paper they got a lucky draw in the Champions League. But considering their effort these days I don't expect them to do better than Arsenal and PSV both. They can just make sure to get as many point as possible from Lens to consolidate the 3rd position.

When they go to the tournament in which they are called "the king" they can be much more successful.

That makes sense but sevilla can still at least earn some additional prize to help its club financially. Sevilla needs to get additional income for its club caused by the club has been suffering the horrible situation with its financial.
It's not necessary for the club to win UCL or reach final but it will be really helping the club so much. In fact, sevilla will get more money when it will go to the at least last 16 of UCL.
Goingback to the europa league will be only making sevilla to lose a good source of income. The club can use it as a motivation to do its comeback again. Although the probability of Sevilla succeeding is currently slim, their placement in a less challenging group still leaves room for possibility.
The poor performance shall not become an excuse for sevilla in competing with another club like arsenal or union berlin. I hope that sevilla will be able to be qualified for the last 16. It will be really helpful for the club to get additional fund.

The price play in UCL compared in europa league is far different.

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Quote from: Altryist on September 05, 2023, 08:51:33 AM

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Sevilla can still qualify because I am quite optimistic about their game which can always provide surprises. Moreover, the club in Group B that we need to watch out for the most is Arsenal, while PSV and Lens can still be overcome by Sevilla in terms of games on the field. I will not doubt the mentality of the Sevilla players. Sevilla, which always subscribes to the Europa League trophy, is now starting to want to try bigger opportunities. Even though currently in La Liga the results are quite surprising where a total of 3 matches have never won though.

Lance started the season very badly, maybe even worse than Sevilla, so we can assume that Sevilla will have a chance to continue their participation in the LE. Whether they can be better than PSV, I don’t know, maybe there are chances. I think Arsenal will get the first place in this group, and Sevilla and PSV will fight for the second and third places, that's my forecast. Despite the fact that Sevilla play poorly in La Liga, they know how to surprise in euro cups.

I can't forget in the Europe League Sevilla won the title while they didn't have many good players and they won the games against the teams with much better situations. This time against Sevilla is lucky because they are in the group with teams like Lance and PSV while we know the other group is much stronger than this one
It's not surprising to see even Sevilla get to the next stage in this Champions League.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on September 05, 2023, 01:07:22 PM

I think that it would be much better for Sevilla to go down to the Europa League rather than continuing in the Champions League.

LOL. You think it's that easy to go down to the Europa League? Sevilla also wants to be in the Champions League even though many doubt it like you, let's just wait until the group stage rolls around.

I will add here the reward system used in Champions League, Europa League and Conference League when they enter and when they advance in each stage.
Playing Europa League only will guarantee around €40m when lifting the Cup if I am not mistaken which is the equivalent of reaching the Quarter-finals in Champions League. Obviously if this seems to be a hard mission then jumping to Europa League might be a better solution.

The ammount of money you earn for a win in the group stage in Champions League its so big, imagine if you winthe 6 game you earn 12+ millions only for the wins, so its a normal player fee..... incredible, i kn ow the teams who are gonna win the 6 games are the big ones who spend much more in a transfer, but still significant.

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Quote from: wiss19 on September 04, 2023, 08:30:00 PM

United is not going to be a rival for Bayern at this moment, they are just not that good to be fair, maybe they will become that good eventually but not for the moment. But they may win rest of the games with ease if they do not make mistakes and that means they should be able to get enough points. Obviously it is not going to be easy, because this is champions league and any team could beat any team, if United is not careful they could lose points to any team.

However, that doesn't change the fact that they look like they could be better teams than both other teams and could be second team in the group and just go up. After that it is a bit difficult to say because they are not really doing that well so may lose there.

Manchester United is not in their best form this season. But this does not mean that they will not be able to qualify from their Champions League group matches. They will qualify but definitely behind Bayern Munich. For the fact that Manchester United is not in their top form is why I am keeping them in the second position because if they are in good form, they will be able to bring Bayern Munich down. This does not mean that Bayern Munich should relax that they will be at the top of the table because them themselves are not also good this season. So Manchester United might challenge them for the top one of the group.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on September 05, 2023, 01:07:22 PM

I think that it would be much better for Sevilla to go down to the Europa League rather than continuing in the Champions League. Because clearly they can be more successful there. Sevilla have already started poorly to the season.

When you look at Sevilla's performance in La Liga, it is very disappointing. Really far from hope to rise again this season and be better than last season. But it seems, at the start of this season is still the same as last season. And I'm not sure if this is his strategy, namely being bad at the start of the season but coming back in the middle or end of the season. This is no longer the time like this because after all, competition in La Liga is very tight. especially now that they are in UCL. They should use this golden opportunity to fight as best they can.

I also understand that the UCL hasn't started yet and no one can predict 100% how they will perform in the UCL later. because sometimes, Sevilla has its own charm outside of La Liga. Like last season in the European league. Could he also be playing with outstanding in the UCL? Although of course it's impossible to win the UCL, at least they can really take advantage of this golden opportunity to play football to the fullest.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on September 05, 2023, 01:07:22 PM

I think that it would be much better for Sevilla to go down to the Europa League rather than continuing in the Champions League. Because clearly they can be more successful there. Sevilla have already started poorly to the season. On paper they got a lucky draw in the Champions League. But considering their effort these days I don't expect them to do better than Arsenal and PSV both. They can just make sure to get as many point as possible from Lens to consolidate the 3rd position.

When they go to the tournament in which they are called "the king" they can be much more successful.

It doesn’t matter if they play Europa league or champions league since you believe they can’t survive the champions league they would still get knocked out in the group stage and go back to the Europa league where they belong. Since the season has only just begun, I don't think it's appropriate to write them off just yet. They still have time to turn things around before the champions league begins, and even in their current poor form, they should be able to face PSV and battle their way through the group stage even though they have no chance of making the finals.

Everyone is aware of Sevilla's exceptional performance in the Europa League, which some refer to as The Sevilla League. Like magic they always walk their way to the finals and most times they end up winning it but they shouldn’t because of that not fight for a spot in the champions league where the bigger boys dine.

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I know Sevilla this season started badly including in LaLiga with 3x matches lost, it can be widely assumed Sevilla will not qualify we will never know Sevilla's game in the Champions League sometimes it will surprise like in the Europa League last season.

Like last season Sevilla is also in bad shape and they are not favored at all for the champions league. But even if they lose the chance to get a better half, Sevilla don't need to be confused they can still rely on the European league and I think everyone knows that. They do better sometimes for the European league competition and have always been consistent in each season. Sevilla are only supporting entrants in the champions league and if they were serious they could do more than give up.

Sometimes the UCL presents surprising facts, clubs that are not in the seed can go further in this competition. Likewise with Sevilla, even though they have not found victory in La Liga, they can play well in the UCL. Because mentality plays a very important role in Europe highest competition, there are also many big clubs that fail in the group phase.

I think being in group B with Arsenal, PSV and Lens must be very difficult for Sevilla. Of course, many will put Arsenal and PSV who will qualify from the group phase, but luck might say otherwise.

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Quote from: ajiz138 on September 05, 2023, 02:25:51 PM

I know Sevilla this season started badly including in LaLiga with 3x matches lost, it can be widely assumed Sevilla will not qualify we will never know Sevilla's game in the Champions League sometimes it will surprise like in the Europa League last season.

Like last season Sevilla is also in bad shape and they are not favored at all for the champions league. But even if they lose the chance to get a better half, Sevilla don't need to be confused they can still rely on the European league and I think everyone knows that. They do better sometimes for the European league competition and have always been consistent in each season. Sevilla are only supporting entrants in the champions league and if they were serious they could do more than give up.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on September 05, 2023, 02:06:31 PM

I would guess that Sevilla will not do that well at UCL anyway, so "focusing on UCL" is not something sevilla can really do, it is not going to help them in any case and it will not benefit them all that much neither. I think it should be important to keep it going one way or another.

I do believe that we are not going to end up with a good result, but that doesn't mean that league should be not cared about neither. League is the only thing they should care about, and if they are lucky they will be third at the group stages of UCL and go back to europa which they are good at anyway and they will be doing fine. That is the best way for them to move forward, the Europa win if they can, which is hard I know, and also league top four.

Many say that will happen, seeing that Sevilla are currently at the bottom of the La Liga standings. The recent addition of Sergio Ramos has brought a breath of fresh air to bring Sevilla to winning ways, it is true that he is not young anymore but his experience can make the Sevilla squad's confidence better.

If we look at Sevilla schedule in the group phase, there is a bit of luck for them I think. In the first and second meetings, Sevilla will meet Lens and PSV. I think if Sevilla can play a draw it will certainly be an asset when they meet Arsenal, who are more superior.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on September 05, 2023, 01:07:22 PM

I think that it would be much better for Sevilla to go down to the Europa League rather than continuing in the Champions League. Because clearly they can be more successful there. Sevilla have already started poorly to the season. On paper they got a lucky draw in the Champions League. But considering their effort these days I don't expect them to do better than Arsenal and PSV both. They can just make sure to get as many point as possible from Lens to consolidate the 3rd position.

When they go to the tournament in which they are called "the king" they can be much more successful.

Yes, sometimes it makes us wonder, how Sevilla will get through this competition. But we cannot underestimate Sevilla, what happens in Laliga may not be the same as their performance in the Champions League. Do you still remember Sevilla against Manchester City in the UEFA Super Cup match in the middle of last month? Even though Manchester City managed to win, it was through penalties not regular time meaning Sevilla has strength outside Laliga.

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Quote from: ajiz138 on September 05, 2023, 02:25:51 PM

Quote from: emrecemsan on September 05, 2023, 01:07:22 PM

I think that it would be much better for Sevilla to go down to the Europa League rather than continuing in the Champions League.

LOL. You think it's that easy to go down to the Europa League? Sevilla also wants to be in the Champions League even though many doubt it like you, let's just wait until the group stage rolls around.

I will add here the reward system used in Champions League, Europa League and Conference League when they enter and when they advance in each stage.
Playing Europa League only will guarantee around €40m when lifting the Cup if I am not mistaken which is the equivalent of reaching the Quarter-finals in Champions League. Obviously if this seems to be a hard mission then jumping to Europa League might be a better solution.

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