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For me top four is definitely out the question for Manchester united this season because this season is already half and what the club needs now is a firm decision to actually sack the coach or move on to another strategy by maybe getting more players that can help the club in every area that they need strengthening. It's like a hurt session whenever one goes to watch Manchester united play and as a united fan it's just saddens you.

To be honest, I really respect Manchester United because of its very long and very memorable football history. Although I'm not a United fan. Looking at the current situation I don't see United as they should be seen. After Ferguson left, I saw that United really seemed to have lost their spirit in the game. It's impossible to call Fergie out of retirement. But can Sir Alex Ferguson at least provide direction or coaching recommendations for United at this time?

As a team that has been around for a long time, there will certainly be many people who have respect for Manchester United, and that is why the conversation about Manchester United continues every season because they are one of the big teams in England and in Europe. If not then we will not be long in this Manchester United talk, we can see now there are actually many teams that are worse than Manchester United, but they don't attract so much attention.
I think Fergie has given a lot of input to the club, but I don't know whether the club implements what he suggests or not, because of course all decisions are in management.

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It is a disgrace to see that Manchester United couldn't qualify for the next round of the Uefa Champions League. I will blame Onana for Manchester United's early exit from the Uefa Champions League because Onana's errors prevented Manchester United not reaching the Uefa Champions League round of 16.

I don't think there is any need to blame a goalkeeper who is only responsible for guarding the goal, because if you blame one of the many people on the team, it would make even less sense because there are many people who need to be evaluated in the Manchester United team. Including the coach and also several other players who are generally lacking in creating the best passes to their own strikers, so in my opinion it is very unreasonable to blame a goalkeeper.

When a team does not perform as expected, all players and coaches must be responsible for the bad results achieved. Blaming a player will only put pressure on that player, he will become even more depressed due to constantly being blamed for playing badly or making blunders that cause the opposing team to score goals.
Coaches must protect their players so that there is no pressure on the player so that it can affect his performance in the next match. Now that Manchester United has been eliminated from the UCL due to their poor performance in the group stage, Ten Hag must act immediately so that Manchester United can quickly recover from their downturn.

I know when a team is not performing well it will also affect the performance of their goalkeeper, but Onana's case is different. Since Onana arrived at Manchester United he has been making mistakes that have caused Manchester United to lose some vital points.

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Quote from: Jaycoinz on December 14, 2023, 04:02:05 PM

For me top four is definitely out the question for Manchester united this season because this season is already half and what the club needs now is a firm decision to actually sack the coach or move on to another strategy by maybe getting more players that can help the club in every area that they need strengthening. It's like a hurt session whenever one goes to watch Manchester united play and as a united fan it's just saddens you.

To be honest, I really respect Manchester United because of its very long and very memorable football history. Although I'm not a United fan. Looking at the current situation I don't see United as they should be seen. After Ferguson left, I saw that United really seemed to have lost their spirit in the game. It's impossible to call Fergie out of retirement. But can Sir Alex Ferguson at least provide direction or coaching recommendations for United at this time?

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on December 14, 2023, 05:30:30 PM

Arsenal has never won the UEFA Champions league. For the last five times Arsenal have featured in the champions league, they have not passed the round of 16. The fans will be praying not to face a tough side in the next draw. They finished top of the table, which means they won’t be facing clubs like Real Madrid Bayern Munich, Manchester City and other teams who also finished top in their own group. They will most likely be facing the second place teams. This is the only advantage they have going for them right now.

Really? I'm just seeing this for the very first time. I would go do my checks and verify. But then, there's no way in hell Arsenal would be faced against Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and Manchester City in the next round. All of the three clubs mentioned above also qualified as tue leaders of the various groups, so meeting themselves would be very difficult. They don't look so sharp honestly, I would love of they can make some threw additional players to boost the squad.

Too much lamentations and lamenting about Newcastle lol. When they defeated Parisians it seemed like a much easier thing for them to do? They had them chances and couldn't make a good use of them chances against German side Borrussia Dortmund during the both fixtures they played.

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Quote from: wmaurik on December 15, 2023, 05:08:36 AM

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It is a disgrace to see that Manchester United couldn't qualify for the next round of the Uefa Champions League. I will blame Onana for Manchester United's early exit from the Uefa Champions League because Onana's errors prevented Manchester United not reaching the Uefa Champions League round of 16.

I don't think there is any need to blame a goalkeeper who is only responsible for guarding the goal, because if you blame one of the many people on the team, it would make even less sense because there are many people who need to be evaluated in the Manchester United team. Including the coach and also several other players who are generally lacking in creating the best passes to their own strikers, so in my opinion it is very unreasonable to blame a goalkeeper.

I don't think it's totally unreasonable blaming the goal keeper but it becomes unreasonable when the whole blame is placed on the goal keeper because he wasn't the only player on the pitch, as they did had a team who did participated aswell in the game and with their combined efforts they got the results with which they judged by the end of the game so the blame is rather to be shared amongst them all.

Primarily I will have to start with the coach who have a major share in the blame before the players and then the keeper but then somehow it could be said onanas performance at the champions league this season with Manchester united was really poor, as records may have it he was the keeper with the most conceded goal in the UCL at the group stage and he made too many silly mistakes which had it's effect on the team aswell, he literally conceded at least a goal in all six game they did played in the group stage, the coach on the other hand was just too poor tactically so it's a collective blame.

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Quote from: wmaurik on December 15, 2023, 05:08:36 AM

Quote from: Mayor of ogba on December 14, 2023, 10:46:30 PM

It is a disgrace to see that Manchester United couldn't qualify for the next round of the Uefa Champions League. I will blame Onana for Manchester United's early exit from the Uefa Champions League because Onana's errors prevented Manchester United not reaching the Uefa Champions League round of 16.

I don't think there is any need to blame a goalkeeper who is only responsible for guarding the goal, because if you blame one of the many people on the team, it would make even less sense because there are many people who need to be evaluated in the Manchester United team. Including the coach and also several other players who are generally lacking in creating the best passes to their own strikers, so in my opinion it is very unreasonable to blame a goalkeeper.

When a team does not perform as expected, all players and coaches must be responsible for the bad results achieved. Blaming a player will only put pressure on that player, he will become even more depressed due to constantly being blamed for playing badly or making blunders that cause the opposing team to score goals.
Coaches must protect their players so that there is no pressure on the player so that it can affect his performance in the next match. Now that Manchester United has been eliminated from the UCL due to their poor performance in the group stage, Ten Hag must act immediately so that Manchester United can quickly recover from their downturn.

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Quote from: wmaurik on December 15, 2023, 05:08:36 AM

Quote from: Mayor of ogba on December 14, 2023, 10:46:30 PM

It is a disgrace to see that Manchester United couldn't qualify for the next round of the Uefa Champions League. I will blame Onana for Manchester United's early exit from the Uefa Champions League because Onana's errors prevented Manchester United not reaching the Uefa Champions League round of 16.

I don't think there is any need to blame a goalkeeper who is only responsible for guarding the goal, because if you blame one of the many people on the team, it would make even less sense because there are many people who need to be evaluated in the Manchester United team. Including the coach and also several other players who are generally lacking in creating the best passes to their own strikers, so in my opinion it is very unreasonable to blame a goalkeeper.

If we really observe every Man Utd match, we will definitely realize that the fault does not only lie with Onana. But I can say that the fault lies with almost all the players and also the coaches. Just look at how Man Utd attacks. Their effectiveness is really bad. The attack line could not take advantage of opportunities well. The midfield cannot help the attack line well. and what's worse is that the back line has more gaps. So Onana only had to withstand every opponent's attack that the 10 players in front failed to anticipate. So I think this is not Onana's fault. But everyone in the squad has the right to take responsibility for everything. And it really doesn't make sense to blame a goalkeeper when the attacking players are also very bad at scoring goals. Even if the goalkeeper can continue to guard the goal well, it will still be in vain if the attacking players are unable to score goals. Just look at the match against Bayern. Pay attention to how many times Man Utd was able to endanger Bayern's goal. And conversely, how many tens of times did Bayern endanger Man Utd's goal? In fact, it's natural for Onana to lose focus when too many opponents' attacks are heading towards the goal he is guarding.

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As the group winner, it will certainly be very enjoyable to compete against the group runners up and yes, these are some of the opponents who are likely to face the group winners in the 16th round of the Champions League. The draw will be held on Monday 18 December and of course we can't wait for the results. Here I want to see Bayern Munich against Inter and this will be like the 2010 Champions League final where Inter came out as champions.

Apart from that, Real Madrid against PSG is definitely also highly anticipated, especially since these two teams also often meet in the Champions League round and PSG is always sent home by Real Madrid at that time. This will also be a warning to Kylian Mbappe who was so arrogant when Real Madrid repeatedly wanted to get him but always failed because of his selfishness in choosing PSG.

On the other hand, there is another unique fact that Lazio coach Maurizio Sarri really wants to meet Barcelona because he feels he has never faced the Blaugrana in a big competition and this will also be a very important experience as a coach. Well, which one do you want to see?

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Quote from: Mayor of ogba on December 14, 2023, 10:46:30 PM

It is a disgrace to see that Manchester United couldn't qualify for the next round of the Uefa Champions League. I will blame Onana for Manchester United's early exit from the Uefa Champions League because Onana's errors prevented Manchester United not reaching the Uefa Champions League round of 16.

I don't think there is any need to blame a goalkeeper who is only responsible for guarding the goal, because if you blame one of the many people on the team, it would make even less sense because there are many people who need to be evaluated in the Manchester United team. Including the coach and also several other players who are generally lacking in creating the best passes to their own strikers, so in my opinion it is very unreasonable to blame a goalkeeper.

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There is a first time for everything. Maybe this season Arsenal will be better in the Champions League and can progress to the quarter-finals and beyond. They are good as a team, they are good in defense, they don't have difficulty in scoring goals. Of course, there is always a chance of the draw, but as long as they play their own game, there is no team they cannot beat.
This season, they are advancing assertively in both the Premier League and the Champions League. I expect them to push their limits and do better.

Even though Arsenal this season said it was very easy to advance to the round of 16 and become group champions, in the UCL, even in the round of 16, nothing is easy because even the unseeded team can make a surprise considering Arsenal's track record of rarely going far. As far as I remember, Arsenal's track record in the last 10X 16 has always met strong teams.

Arsenal have difficulty scoring goals because they don't have a striker who is hungry for goals, they should look for a striker in this transfer market. But I'm not sure if Arsenal won't bring in a striker in January, because Arteta wants every player to be able to score goals, not rely on just 1 player/number 9 because it's easier to predict how Arsenal will play. So he doesn't want to sacrifice his tactics for the sake of just one striker.

In the groups stage Arsenal achieved good result and were able to qualify for the next rounds in the last 16 with 13 points, but Arsenal could not win all the matches in the 6 matches they played and suffered 1 defeated when facing a club that was not too strong so it can be concluded If Arsenal is still not very good when facing bigs clubs in the next match in the Champions League, especially since they have a defense that is not to strong. In contrast to their strong rival Manchester City who achieved perfect result and did not experience defeat in the group stage, so Manchester City is definitely better favorite over Arsenal.

However, at least Arsenal can fight this season to achieve better even though they are not the favorite, but if they can show even better after they recruit new striker and make their defense stronger, I'm sure Arsenal can achieve the result their fans expect because they still have opportunity this season and he can also beat Manchester City in the Premier League which is definitely a good achievement.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on December 14, 2023, 05:30:30 PM

Arsenal has never won the UEFA Champions league. For the last five times Arsenal have featured in the champions league, they have not passed the round of 16. The fans will be praying not to face a tough side in the next draw. They finished top of the table, which means they won’t be facing clubs like Real Madrid Bayern Munich, Manchester City and other teams who also finished top in their own group. They will most likely be facing the second place teams. This is the only advantage they have going for them right now.

I think all the big teams also know this and that's why they all strive to finish at the top so that they may play lower teams that would give them a better chance of progressing to the next round. Arsenal will also enjoy this advantage this time although I think they are kinda advance now and would also play and compete very among the elite teams you mentioned above because they are really strong this time around. Although I know the champions league is a different atmosphere all together but I know that arsenal can reach great height of they would play with same force in the premier league.

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Quote from: ingiltere on December 14, 2023, 05:36:10 PM

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Arsenal has never won the UEFA Champions league. For the last five times Arsenal have featured in the champions league, they have not passed the round of 16. The fans will be praying not to face a tough side in the next draw. They finished top of the table, which means they won’t be facing clubs like Real Madrid Bayern Munich, Manchester City and other teams who also finished top in their own group. They will most likely be facing the second place teams. This is the only advantage they have going for them right now.

There is a first time for everything. Maybe this season Arsenal will be better in the Champions League and can progress to the quarter-finals and beyond. They are good as a team, they are good in defense, they don't have difficulty in scoring goals. Of course, there is always a chance of the draw, but as long as they play their own game, there is no team they cannot beat.
This season, they are advancing assertively in both the Premier League and the Champions League. I expect them to push their limits and do better.

But the problem is that the Champions League is a competition that is very difficult to predict, especially if it has narrowed down to the last 16 and beyond. Their mentality must be formed from the start, because once they falter then they will be eliminated in this knock round. Automatically they only have 2 opportunities in each round, if they fail in 2 times the opportunity then it is certain they will be eliminated and go home early.
They must make the most of their home status and in the away game they can find safety by targeting a draw. But the scenario is not just like that, because it could be that they will have home status first or vice versa. The first match will also be very influential on their journey.

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Quote from: ingiltere on December 14, 2023, 05:36:10 PM

There is a first time for everything. Maybe this season Arsenal will be better in the Champions League and can progress to the quarter-finals and beyond. They are good as a team, they are good in defense, they don't have difficulty in scoring goals. Of course, there is always a chance of the draw, but as long as they play their own game, there is no team they cannot beat.
This season, they are advancing assertively in both the Premier League and the Champions League. I expect them to push their limits and do better.

Even though Arsenal this season said it was very easy to advance to the round of 16 and become group champions, in the UCL, even in the round of 16, nothing is easy because even the unseeded team can make a surprise considering Arsenal's track record of rarely going far. As far as I remember, Arsenal's track record in the last 10X 16 has always met strong teams.

Arsenal have difficulty scoring goals because they don't have a striker who is hungry for goals, they should look for a striker in this transfer market. But I'm not sure if Arsenal won't bring in a striker in January, because Arteta wants every player to be able to score goals, not rely on just 1 player/number 9 because it's easier to predict how Arsenal will play. So he doesn't want to sacrifice his tactics for the sake of just one striker.

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Quote from: TelolettOm on December 14, 2023, 05:31:33 PM

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PSG is just lucky to qualify for the last 16 of the Uefa Champions League, they had the same point as AC Milan in Group F. PSG will find it difficult to qualify for the quarter-final because they could not have a win against Newcastle United who has no experience about Uefa Champions League.

No. I think it is not about luck. PSG already tried their best in the final match, they tried to get point against Dortmund. It was not easy because PSG must play away. I really expected PSG could beat Dortmund because PSG actually has better players. But they only could get a draw, they got 1 point at least. Sure, they got difficulties to qualify for the next round. But they proved us that they finally succeed to got to the knock-out phase.

Quote from: lalabotax on December 14, 2023, 04:59:26 PM

It cannot be denied that Ten Hag has failed so far this season. He might be said to have been good enough last season to bring Man United to the top of the UCL. But to be honest, this season, Man United's performance has really declined and is very bad. Finishing last in the UCL was actually quite embarrassing. Well, here it's not only because the squad composition is quite bad but also how Ten Hag manages it.

In UCL, it is clear that Ten Hag has failed. Man United was eliminated in the group stage. I think it is quite shameful that Man United even failed to qualify for the knock-out round. There are many things that Ten Hag needs to evaluate, Man United performed badly during the group stages. I can't believe that Man United couldn't bet Copenhagen and Galatasaray. They are actually in easy group, I can't imagine if they are in the group F.

It is a disgrace to see that Manchester United couldn't qualify for the next round of the Uefa Champions League. I will blame Onana for Manchester United's early exit from the Uefa Champions League because Onana's errors prevented Manchester United not reaching the Uefa Champions League round of 16.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on December 14, 2023, 05:30:30 PM

They finished top of the table, which means they won’t be facing clubs like Real Madrid Bayern Munich, Manchester City and other teams who also finished top in their own group. They will most likely be facing the second place teams. This is the only advantage they have going for them right now.

Well even if Arsenal finished second, they can't face Manchester City in the RO16, a club cannot play another club from the same country in the CL RO16, but from the QF stage, a club can now face any other club at all, even from the same country as them. Having said that, it is good for Arsenal that they could finish first, they'll not play the big teams from other countries that also finished first. Anyway, i don't think it is possible for Arsenal to win the CL this season, but i expect them to go as far as the QF or maybe even the semifinal.

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Quote from: ingiltere on December 14, 2023, 05:36:10 PM

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Arsenal has never won the UEFA Champions league. For the last five times Arsenal have featured in the champions league, they have not passed the round of 16. The fans will be praying not to face a tough side in the next draw. They finished top of the table, which means they won’t be facing clubs like Real Madrid Bayern Munich, Manchester City and other teams who also finished top in their own group. They will most likely be facing the second place teams. This is the only advantage they have going for them right now.

There is a first time for everything. Maybe this season Arsenal will be better in the Champions League and can progress to the quarter-finals and beyond. They are good as a team, they are good in defense, they don't have difficulty in scoring goals. Of course, there is always a chance of the draw, but as long as they play their own game, there is no team they cannot beat.
This season, they are advancing assertively in both the Premier League and the Champions League. I expect them to push their limits and do better.

That's true, Arsenal is ready to make it very far in the Champions League and while everything depends a bit on luck in the drawings as well, I think that it is correct to say that Arsenal can beat any team in two games. There is no reason to think that there is one team no other team can beat. Manchester City isn't that one formidable team superior to anyone else and I think Real Madrid isn't superior either. There are indeed several teams with good chances to reach the final.

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Quote from: ingiltere on December 14, 2023, 05:36:10 PM

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Arsenal has never won the UEFA Champions league. For the last five times Arsenal have featured in the champions league, they have not passed the round of 16. The fans will be praying not to face a tough side in the next draw. They finished top of the table, which means they won’t be facing clubs like Real Madrid Bayern Munich, Manchester City and other teams who also finished top in their own group. They will most likely be facing the second place teams. This is the only advantage they have going for them right now.

There is a first time for everything. Maybe this season Arsenal will be better in the Champions League and can progress to the quarter-finals and beyond. They are good as a team, they are good in defense, they don't have difficulty in scoring goals. Of course, there is always a chance of the draw, but as long as they play their own game, there is no team they cannot beat.
This season, they are advancing assertively in both the Premier League and the Champions League. I expect them to push their limits and do better.

No, about this all with Arteta is surely doing impressive work and helping them for having improvement in their quality and performance even they are having some difficulties but still they are strong side for again staying into top four English clubs, but I have doubt about their chances for the top four because I am having feeling most chances they will stay until last eight then we can expect exit for them with they need more experience for the top-notch, and it's not easy.
About their chances for the English Premier League most chances we can expect them for having good fight until last match like they have in last season and things can go either way specially Manchester City is having trouble, so this can help them for the staying into top two with Liverpool is surely better side for the top flight.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on December 14, 2023, 05:30:30 PM

Arsenal has never won the UEFA Champions league. For the last five times Arsenal have featured in the champions league, they have not passed the round of 16. The fans will be praying not to face a tough side in the next draw. They finished top of the table, which means they won’t be facing clubs like Real Madrid Bayern Munich, Manchester City and other teams who also finished top in their own group. They will most likely be facing the second place teams. This is the only advantage they have going for them right now.

There is a first time for everything. Maybe this season Arsenal will be better in the Champions League and can progress to the quarter-finals and beyond. They are good as a team, they are good in defense, they don't have difficulty in scoring goals. Of course, there is always a chance of the draw, but as long as they play their own game, there is no team they cannot beat.
This season, they are advancing assertively in both the Premier League and the Champions League. I expect them to push their limits and do better.

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Quote from: Mayor of ogba on December 14, 2023, 04:27:54 PM

PSG is just lucky to qualify for the last 16 of the Uefa Champions League, they had the same point as AC Milan in Group F. PSG will find it difficult to qualify for the quarter-final because they could not have a win against Newcastle United who has no experience about Uefa Champions League.

No. I think it is not about luck. PSG already tried their best in the final match, they tried to get point against Dortmund. It was not easy because PSG must play away. I really expected PSG could beat Dortmund because PSG actually has better players. But they only could get a draw, they got 1 point at least. Sure, they got difficulties to qualify for the next round. But they proved us that they finally succeed to got to the knock-out phase.

Quote from: lalabotax on December 14, 2023, 04:59:26 PM

It cannot be denied that Ten Hag has failed so far this season. He might be said to have been good enough last season to bring Man United to the top of the UCL. But to be honest, this season, Man United's performance has really declined and is very bad. Finishing last in the UCL was actually quite embarrassing. Well, here it's not only because the squad composition is quite bad but also how Ten Hag manages it.

In UCL, it is clear that Ten Hag has failed. Man United was eliminated in the group stage. I think it is quite shameful that Man United even failed to qualify for the knock-out round. There are many things that Ten Hag needs to evaluate, Man United performed badly during the group stages. I can't believe that Man United couldn't bet Copenhagen and Galatasaray. They are actually in easy group, I can't imagine if they are in the group F.

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Arsenal has never won the UEFA Champions league. For the last five times Arsenal have featured in the champions league, they have not passed the round of 16. The fans will be praying not to face a tough side in the next draw. They finished top of the table, which means they won’t be facing clubs like Real Madrid Bayern Munich, Manchester City and other teams who also finished top in their own group. They will most likely be facing the second place teams. This is the only advantage they have going for them right now.

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