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Quote from: marcous on December 14, 2023, 01:43:00 PM

To talk a lot at UCL, every club is required to be able to face every challenge, whether it is a busy match schedule, player injuries, sanctions, and so on. furthermore, if you have the ambition to win the championship trophy, you must be able to beat other strong teams, that is the real challenge that must be conquered in order to move forward gradually.

You have to be a conqueror in order to be successful and go far in this league. Treat all matches as equal and try to win every one of them with some good goals margin. Get use to winning from the group stage before entering the elimination stage, which you have only one or two opportunity to showcase your self and advance to the next round of the competition.

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Newcastle are unlucky because they are in the Hell group, if Eddie Howe squad joins another group then with their current performance they can definitely take them to the round of 16. But that is the reality that must be accepted now, now what they have to do is finish in the top four of the EPL and appear again next season.

Newcastle were just unlucky not to play in a much easier group than they were featured. There are some groups that if Newcastle United played is those groups, their qualification to the next round will be easy. Going forward could be harder since they will still meet with the teams they were able to boycott in the group stage which now becomes another survival of the fittest for them before they will advance to another round.

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Quote from: Mayor of ogba on December 14, 2023, 04:27:54 PM

PSG is just lucky to qualify for the last 16 of the Uefa Champions League, they had the same point as AC Milan in Group F. PSG will find it difficult to qualify for the quarter-final because they could not have a win against Newcastle United who has no experience about Uefa Champions League.

PSG once again qualified in second place in the group, just like last year (and last year they made mistakes because they didn't know the basics of the competition rules)
They could face Bayern, Real, City or Arsenal in the round of 16, a situation they'd be better off avoiding if they qualified first.

Real Sociedad, Atletico Madrid and Borussia could do well to have qualified first and have a better chance of progressing to the quarter-finals.
I obviously recognize the dominance of spanish teams this year, but the two english teams that have qualified have every chance of going far in the competition, as do Bayern

On the 18th we'll get a good idea of what the semi-finals could be like, but I see something like Real, City, Bayern and another one.

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The round of 16 matches are much tougher than the group stage, but Real Madrid appear to be the favorites this season after their unbeaten performance. Barcelona is less stable, as is Atletico Madrid, while Real Sociedad is less convincing. Xavi successfully qualified for the last 16 of the Champions League after two unsuccessful seasons, but this season they were given a tough test because of their performance.

Don't forget M. City, they didn't lose or draw a match and ended in 1st place of competition with more goals than Real Madrid, both in my opinion are favorites again

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on December 14, 2023, 03:51:44 PM

This is the worst year for Manchester United, as the team's performance throughout the season has been truly disappointing. Touted to potentially advance alongside Bayern Munich, everyone's predictions turned out to be wrong. I think this result is better than forcing Ten Hag's luck into the next phase, which would only lead to an earlier exit for Manchester United.

It cannot be denied that Ten Hag has failed so far this season. He might be said to have been good enough last season to bring Man United to the top of the UCL. But to be honest, this season, Man United's performance has really declined and is very bad. Finishing last in the UCL was actually quite embarrassing. Well, here it's not only because the squad composition is quite bad but also how Ten Hag manages it.

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All La Liga teams managed to win the Champions League group phase and qualify for the round of 16, except Sevilla. Real Madrid, Barcelona, Real Sociedad and Atletico Madrid managed to qualify for the round of 16 this season, but their struggle did not stop there.

The round of 16 matches are much tougher than the group stage, but Real Madrid appear to be the favorites this season after their unbeaten performance. Barcelona is less stable, as is Atletico Madrid, while Real Sociedad is less convincing. Xavi successfully qualified for the last 16 of the Champions League after two unsuccessful seasons, but this season they were given a tough test because of their performance.

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Quote from: Renampun on December 14, 2023, 02:13:42 PM

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After all, even if PSG or Newcastle qualify for the last 16, I'm sure they won't be able to advance further in the Champions League knockout phase . Because ya, they still don't have a stable performance and as such, it will of course be difficult for them to guarantee good results in the knockout phase . But yes, at least it is still good for Newcastle to have managed to play in the Champions League this season, even though they are in the hell group, but Newcastle still managed to provide tough resistance to the top team in this group.

Thus, Newcastle clearly still needs better preparation and yes, in fact Newcastle cannot guarantee that they will return to play in the Champions League next season because competition in the Premier League has also become very difficult this season.

in group F, milan and newcastle have to accept the fact that they are not able to advance to the last 16, well Dortmund and PSG's performance is the best in group F. However, Newcastle has struggled hard to be able to compete in the Champions League.

in group A, man utd is really the worst team (While Bayern managed to stay at the top with perfect points and were unbeatable, Bayern was tough as usual) out of the 6 matches that took place man utd only won 1 and lost 4 times, ten hag is really having a bad season imo.

PSG is just lucky to qualify for the last 16 of the Uefa Champions League, they had the same point as AC Milan in Group F. PSG will find it difficult to qualify for the quarter-final because they could not have a win against Newcastle United who has no experience about Uefa Champions League.

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This is the worst year for Manchester United, as the team's performance throughout the season has been truly disappointing. Touted to potentially advance alongside Bayern Munich, everyone's predictions turned out to be wrong. I think this result is better than forcing Ten Hag's luck into the next phase, which would only lead to an earlier exit for Manchester United. I don't see any significant progress from this legendary club, and we'll have to wait for the next transfer window to see if MU can strengthen itself with new strategies.

Occupying the bottom position is incredibly embarrassing, and even losing to an underdog team is evidence that their quality is not yet reliable enough to be champions. So, I consider Manchester United's loss in the UCL as the right way to deliver a clear message to the Glazer family that MU is currently in a bad state.

The bad state of Manchester United is from the manager himself. His methods obviously cannot do any more magic and provide the goals needed.
There's always something in asking for the results before concluding that the manager of Manchester United be replaced.
They could have even qualified for the Europa league but missed that too. They need a miracle fast, else the English league would be more than a lesson for Manchester united if they finish poorly.

Well, You are right, Erik Ten Hag could not bring Manchester United to perform well in the Champions league because they lost to Galatasaray and copenhagen in their ranking in the Standing table. Manchester united is known as a big team but is helpless this season because of their poor performance in every match, They are even the team that conceded quite a lot of goal in group A. In the Premier League, I'm not sure Manchester united can put a lot of pressure on other team because their Performance is also unstable in the premier League.

So, If they fail to close the season in the top 4, It could be that Erik Ten Hag has failed to maintain his good performance like He did last season. Onana hasn't performed well this season, He made a lot of mistakes and I think manchester united regrets not giving De Gea a chance.

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Occupying the bottom position is incredibly embarrassing, and even losing to an underdog team is evidence that their quality is not yet reliable enough to be champions. So, I consider Manchester United's loss in the UCL as the right way to deliver a clear message to the Glazer family that MU is currently in a bad state.

Everyone knows that Manchester United is in a bad situation, the players, their manager and the hierarchy at the club knows this and they have to go back to the drawing board to solve some of their problems. I know that so many Manchester United fans will prolly think their problem stems from the Glazers, and even if they might be correct to an extent, i think the manager and the players are also culpable for their present predicament.

Manchester United deserve to be eliminated and they got what they deserved, there is also a very high chance that they would not be in the CL next season, because i doubt if United would finish in the top four at the end of this season.

For me top four is definitely out the question for Manchester united this season because this season is already half and what the club needs now is a firm decision to actually sack the coach or move on to another strategy by maybe getting more players that can help the club in every area that they need strengthening. It's like a hurt session whenever one goes to watch Manchester united play and as a united fan it's just saddens you.

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Quote from: Renampun on December 14, 2023, 02:13:42 PM

in group F, milan and newcastle have to accept the fact that they are not able to advance to the last 16, well Dortmund and PSG's performance is the best in group F. However, Newcastle has struggled hard to be able to compete in the Champions League.

From the beginning, when I saw the group F teams competitors, I didn't really believe much that Newcastle would be able to qualify for the next round because they are an unexperienced team in the champion league in the group, so I was expecting less performances from them despite their good form at the beginning of the season, but as for AC Milan, I didn't really expect them to be out of the group stage; unfortunately, they were not able to make it to the next level. For PSG, I knew they had a set of quality players, so I expected the team to qualify for the next level, and that's what happened.

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in group A, man utd is really the worst team (While Bayern managed to stay at the top with perfect points and were unbeatable, Bayern was tough as usual) out of the 6 matches that took place man utd only won 1 and lost 4 times, ten hag is really having a bad season imo.

The level of performance displayed by Manchester United was unexpected by the supporters. Many believed that they would easily advance to the next round in Group A together with Bayern Munich. But hey, what do you know? Manchester United was the final team standing after the group stage matches! It was a tremendous shock to find them near the bottom of the standings. Their performance fell short of everyone's expectations, despite the fact that they were all expecting far better.

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in group A, man utd is really the worst team (While Bayern managed to stay at the top with perfect points and were unbeatable, Bayern was tough as usual) out of the 6 matches that took place man utd only won 1 and lost 4 times, ten hag is really having a bad season imo.

This is the worst year for Manchester United, as the team's performance throughout the season has been truly disappointing. Touted to potentially advance alongside Bayern Munich, everyone's predictions turned out to be wrong. I think this result is better than forcing Ten Hag's luck into the next phase, which would only lead to an earlier exit for Manchester United. I don't see any significant progress from this legendary club, and we'll have to wait for the next transfer window to see if MU can strengthen itself with new strategies.

Occupying the bottom position is incredibly embarrassing, and even losing to an underdog team is evidence that their quality is not yet reliable enough to be champions. So, I consider Manchester United's loss in the UCL as the right way to deliver a clear message to the Glazer family that MU is currently in a bad state.

The bad state of Manchester United is from the manager himself. His methods obviously cannot do any more magic and provide the goals needed.
There's always something in asking for the results before concluding that the manager of Manchester United be replaced.
They could have even qualified for the Europa league but missed that too. They need a miracle fast, else the English league would be more than a lesson for Manchester united if they finish poorly.

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Quote from: bayu7adi on December 14, 2023, 03:30:16 PM

Occupying the bottom position is incredibly embarrassing, and even losing to an underdog team is evidence that their quality is not yet reliable enough to be champions. So, I consider Manchester United's loss in the UCL as the right way to deliver a clear message to the Glazer family that MU is currently in a bad state.

Everyone knows that Manchester United is in a bad situation, the players, their manager and the hierarchy at the club knows this and they have to go back to the drawing board to solve some of their problems. I know that so many Manchester United fans will prolly think their problem stems from the Glazers, and even if they might be correct to an extent, i think the manager and the players are also culpable for their present predicament.

Manchester United deserve to be eliminated and they got what they deserved, there is also a very high chance that they would not be in the CL next season, because i doubt if United would finish in the top four at the end of this season.

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Quote from: Renampun on December 14, 2023, 02:13:42 PM

in group A, man utd is really the worst team (While Bayern managed to stay at the top with perfect points and were unbeatable, Bayern was tough as usual) out of the 6 matches that took place man utd only won 1 and lost 4 times, ten hag is really having a bad season imo.

This is the worst year for Manchester United, as the team's performance throughout the season has been truly disappointing. Touted to potentially advance alongside Bayern Munich, everyone's predictions turned out to be wrong. I think this result is better than forcing Ten Hag's luck into the next phase, which would only lead to an earlier exit for Manchester United. I don't see any significant progress from this legendary club, and we'll have to wait for the next transfer window to see if MU can strengthen itself with new strategies.

Occupying the bottom position is incredibly embarrassing, and even losing to an underdog team is evidence that their quality is not yet reliable enough to be champions. So, I consider Manchester United's loss in the UCL as the right way to deliver a clear message to the Glazer family that MU is currently in a bad state.

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With the depth of the squad and an experienced coach, PSG should be able to have a lot to say in the UCL this season. But in reality, to get through the group phase they need luck, so Newcastle was lucky to lose against Milan. The competition in the last 16 is certainly even more difficult, and if they don't improve immediately, PSG will have to go home early from the UCL this season. It is very natural to doubt PSG future steps, even though as we know they have all the attributes to reach the final, but not with the method and performance they have shown so far.

I think if in the round of 16 PSG meets one of the favorite teams such as Madrid, City or Bayern then, it could be said that Enrique opportunity to help PSG hunt for the UCL trophy this season will be buried. Having lots of star players will not necessarily make luck favor PSG, and a winning mentality is something that must be developed, not following players when they are recruited from their old clubs.

PSG does not have good squad depth, especially in midfield and defense. Marquinhos has to get the right tandem at center back, so he will get better. PSG must increase the depth of their squad in the next transfer window, so they must get some experienced players there who suit the team's needs.

Lucas Hernández and Achraf Hakimi are certainly good as right-back and left-back, but both of them also have to get competition from players in the same position so that they always work better to claim their place in the squad. Luis Enrique has to bring in some new players, but he has to be very careful with his choices. PSG don't have a winning mentality, but now Luis Enrique can help them have one.

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PSG are one team that has a big market value yet no Major European success and that’s one crazy result that any team could have, they’ve got quite some star players but they might not be the best quality for that position and that’s one factor that a winning team needs to have and also the winning mentality, they have managed to qualify for the next round but haven't given me a benefit of doubt if they'll reach the semi's

The teams needs to have some spectacular additions that’ll be befitting of champions and make sure all positions have that creative player that makes the difference other than this, there’ll sure be returning home early from the UCL as expected , no much hopes on PSG because as usual, they won’t go through the Quater Finals, cause they narrowly escaped the group stage.

PSG is lucky to be able to qualify for the next stage because they have the same points as Milan it's just that PSG has one goal, as you said even though PSG got one ticket but I doubt they could compete with several other elite clubs, overall PSG performance decreased when compared to last season

PSG's performance, of course, dropped significantly compared to last year. I didn't think they would make it this year, but they somehow managed to make it. I don't know if this will continue, but a difficult team will be waiting for him. They have to be superior to one of the leading teams in the groups in both matches.

With the depth of the squad and an experienced coach, PSG should be able to have a lot to say in the UCL this season. But in reality, to get through the group phase they need luck, so Newcastle was lucky to lose against Milan. The competition in the last 16 is certainly even more difficult, and if they don't improve immediately, PSG will have to go home early from the UCL this season. It is very natural to doubt PSG future steps, even though as we know they have all the attributes to reach the final, but not with the method and performance they have shown so far.

I think if in the round of 16 PSG meets one of the favorite teams such as Madrid, City or Bayern then, it could be said that Enrique opportunity to help PSG hunt for the UCL trophy this season will be buried. Having lots of star players will not necessarily make luck favor PSG, and a winning mentality is something that must be developed, not following players when they are recruited from their old clubs.

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Quote from: Renampun on December 14, 2023, 02:13:42 PM

in group F, milan and newcastle have to accept the fact that they are not able to advance to the last 16, well Dortmund and PSG's performance is the best in group F. However, Newcastle has struggled hard to be able to compete in the Champions League.

To be honest, this group had a lot of surprises, I was touched to see that Milan was able to make a comeback against Newcastle even though in the end they couldn't qualify for the group phase. I even initially predicted that they would be the ones in fourth place but in fact it was Newcastle. For me, this is really the most difficult group this year, AC Milan has now been thrown into the European League, this is still good because they still have a target to be able to compete in the European League, you could say that AC Milan is now a European League competitor besides Liverpool and Leverkusen.

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in group A, man utd is really the worst team (While Bayern managed to stay at the top with perfect points and were unbeatable, Bayern was tough as usual) out of the 6 matches that took place man utd only won 1 and lost 4 times, ten hag is really having a bad season imo.

This group also had many surprises and made many people's predictions wrong. From the start, everyone thought that Bayern Munich and Man United would definitely qualify, but it turned out that Bayern Munich and Copenhagen would qualify for the next round. Man United was only an entertainer by finishing in the bottom position.

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PSG are one team that has a big market value yet no Major European success and that’s one crazy result that any team could have, they’ve got quite some star players but they might not be the best quality for that position and that’s one factor that a winning team needs to have and also the winning mentality, they have managed to qualify for the next round but haven't given me a benefit of doubt if they'll reach the semi's

The teams needs to have some spectacular additions that’ll be befitting of champions and make sure all positions have that creative player that makes the difference other than this, there’ll sure be returning home early from the UCL as expected , no much hopes on PSG because as usual, they won’t go through the Quater Finals, cause they narrowly escaped the group stage.

PSG is lucky to be able to qualify for the next stage because they have the same points as Milan it's just that PSG has one goal, as you said even though PSG got one ticket but I doubt they could compete with several other elite clubs, overall PSG performance decreased when compared to last season

PSG's performance, of course, dropped significantly compared to last year. I didn't think they would make it this year, but they somehow managed to make it. I don't know if this will continue, but a difficult team will be waiting for him. They have to be superior to one of the leading teams in the groups in both matches.

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Have to accept the fact for Newcastle that my prediction they can qualify because they rely on the last match at home this does not match our expectations because indeed the Newcastle players feel tired because of the league schedule that continues to be busy.

Apart from the busy schedule, it seems that Newcastle are not ready to continue to the next round, even though they managed to get through the group, it is not certain that they will meet easy opponents, of course if they meet a very strong club, they will definitely fail too, so it is better if they fail in the group phase so they can take a lot of lessons from their failures this season so they can improve it next season, the most important thing is to strengthen mentally and improve strong performance to maintain stamina. If the end of the year next season has a busy schedule like this they can handle it well.

Yes that's right. I think it's like that too. This season it looks like Newcastle is not ready to compete in the Champions League. Newcastle's lack of fighting spirit when competing in the Champions League was clearly visible when facing AC Milan. After winning 1-0, in the second half they played as if they had run out of energy and enthusiasm.

Even though they already knew this was a game of life and death, their playing lacked enthusiasm, especially the middle players. like running out of ammo. Meanwhile, AC Milan in the second half made their game even more aggressive. Remember, usually in the Champions League the winner is usually the team that always fights until the end, and a busy schedule is not an excuse for them.

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Quote from: marcous on December 14, 2023, 01:43:00 PM

To talk a lot at UCL, every club is required to be able to face every challenge, whether it is a busy match schedule, player injuries, sanctions, and so on. furthermore, if you have the ambition to win the championship trophy, you must be able to beat other strong teams, that is the real challenge that must be conquered in order to move forward gradually.

Yeah, obviously, the UEFA Champions league is not a small competition. It needs a lot of modus and consistent effort. Competing with strong teams is called UCL because of all the difficulties, match schedules, player injuries, suspensions, and so on. Whereas the fact is that this trophy can be won by competing with all the problems, and because of these difficulties, this trophy has importance. So it is not to say that a busy schedule for Newcastle United is not justified, but it happens at UCL. It is a must to have a second option for every problem. In UEFA, separate preparations should be made for the league, by going separately for UCL, it is hoped that there will be success in UCL.

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Newcastle are unlucky because they are in the Hell group, if Eddie Howe squad joins another group then with their current performance they can definitely take them to the round of 16. But that is the reality that must be accepted now, now what they have to do is finish in the top four of the EPL and appear again next season.

I disagree with you because you said that Newcastle United are lucky. Well, it is true that there was a little bit of luck, but they did very hard work to beat the club in their group. I mean, PSG and AC Mailan are not a small team; they are too strong for Newcastle United. Be it financially, team player, or tactics, at all points of view, they are bigger than Newcastle United, but Newcastle United beat them well. So if Newcastle United were lucky, how could they beat a team like PSG, although according to Newcastle United, they were lucky?

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Quote from: QueenVera on December 14, 2023, 01:44:45 PM

PSG are one team that has a big market value yet no Major European success and that’s one crazy result that any team could have, they’ve got quite some star players but they might not be the best quality for that position and that’s one factor that a winning team needs to have and also the winning mentality, they have managed to qualify for the next round but haven't given me a benefit of doubt if they'll reach the semi's

The teams needs to have some spectacular additions that’ll be befitting of champions and make sure all positions have that creative player that makes the difference other than this, there’ll sure be returning home early from the UCL as expected , no much hopes on PSG because as usual, they won’t go through the Quater Finals, cause they narrowly escaped the group stage.

Parisians right now have a good coach with a very good knowledge of how to wisnd the club the Champions League Competition, but can that be achieved? That I double doubt for this season, they don't have the players and then the way the team and squad be playing from them domestic league games is not encouraging. I be wishing Luis Enrique was the coach when Parisians had The likes of Kylian Mbappe, Lionel Messi and Neymar Junior. Two of these players are known to be with him when he managed the club Barcelona and won them the treble that same year. He'll need some quality time to assemble the best of the best who suits his long term projects and plans.

We don't know that! We don't know if they'll go farther than the quarter finals. The players are good but not up to the standards to be crowned Champions of all of European footbal.

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Quote from: udidrone on December 14, 2023, 02:22:18 PM

PSG is lucky to be able to qualify for the next stage because they have the same points as Milan it's just that PSG has one goal, as you said even though PSG got one ticket but I doubt they could compete with several other elite clubs, overall PSG performance decreased when compared to last season

Paris Saint Germain boss, Luis Enrique is competent of managing his club to next level, there's absolutely nothing bad about PSG at this present moment, we have watch these players at peak momentum and they manage to scale through these elite clubs found in UCL Group F. Let's see what PSG have in store for us in next round, we would check to see if they can shoot higher across their oppositions this season. Paris Saint-Germain is not lucky, because they worked really hard to maintain their balance and now they're up for the next round.

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Not really in terms of their performance, but taking everything into account, No doubt Newcastle did well but I option for PSG as one of the big name teams that most supporters would not want to see leave so early but want them to progress in the competition ,even to the final game stage. Personally, I prefer to have PSG stay in the competition because I can spare time to go watch PSG games than I will think to spare time to go watch Newcastle games.

that's your opinion and It's alright, but I know there are many fans that will want to watch Newcastle play in the champion's league everyday. For someone like me I don't take PSG anymore serious than I used to as they have been really disappointing in the champions league previous competition's, you see them raise fans hope from the beginning only to get it shattered in the middle of the competition with the manner of squad they have always possessed in their team.

If teams like Newcastle could come to the UCL for their first visit and do better then I think many fans will love to watch them play and with time should they revisit again next season with a better squad than they have right now Newcastle will become a team that everyone would want to watch.

I would say that Newcastle fans would be ok with everything as long as they can see their team doing fine. They were fine with a guy who murders journalists who are against him, and do that in foreign lands, and just overall be the king that doesn't allow anything good to happen in their nation and just takes everyone's money and owns everything, if that happened in England there would be riots, but they are fine with some other nations king to takeover, as long as it means they will finish up better than other teams.

So if they were playing UCL games everyday, even if it meant breaking the rules, they would be fine with it as well. Football is important, but never this important, not in my life, I do not see how that would be possible.

Did I miss something about Newcastle United or what do you mean that they are fine with a guy who murders journalists? I was trying to find out what the context is of your post here, but it seems nobody else is talking about murder. When you say they would break the rules if they play Champions League, what rules are you referring to? I feel confused and would probably be looking for this content in another section of this forum, so some clarification and perhaps some sources would be appreciated so people can comprehend your post and verify your points.

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