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I don't care what will happen to Manchester United in the next two matches because I don't think they are worthy of competing higher in the Champions League this season. Even if Manchester United qualify for the round of 16 by any means, they will only fail there without having much chance of qualifying for the quarter-finals. Everything is uncertain, they have a chance even though currently the chance is very low.

With their current situation, they are still not worthy to compete and advance to the next round. Apart from the big names they have and their history in previous decades but for now Manchester United must be able to play better so that they are considered worthy of being in the Champions League.
Now with their situation like this even though they can still qualify if they manage to win in the remaining 2 matches but in the end everything will remain the same as they will definitely fall in the next phase because of this kind of performance.
Manchester United must be more able to make a difference because if they only continue to be in a situation like now then indeed they are not really worthy of being in the Champions League.

Given the tough upcoming schedules that await Manchester United, I remain highly optimistic that they will be able to emerge victorious and attain a minimum of 3 points. The reason behind my confidence lies in the fact that the level of difficulty alone will not be a determining factor in their performance. In my opinion that if this is the last chance owned by manchester united.

The match against galatasaray away will be giving big pressure for united. It's caused by this will force manchester united not to make even a single mistake during the match or it will cost MU out from UCL.

The last match will be against bayern at home. Even though MU will be playing at home against bayern but it was facing bayern. A club that was always winning, whether playing at home or away.

MU needs to be careful against it. Those clubs are so strong at this moment.

This groups second place is anybodys game and i think Galatasaray will make a surprise here and take the second place and go through. Man Utd is in terrible form in champions league and they dropped big points against a team that shouldnt even have hope of getting a point. I wont be betting on Man Utd anymore due to how bad they play and while Ten Hag is the coach they can only go down.

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I don't care what will happen to Manchester United in the next two matches because I don't think they are worthy of competing higher in the Champions League this season. Even if Manchester United qualify for the round of 16 by any means, they will only fail there without having much chance of qualifying for the quarter-finals. Everything is uncertain, they have a chance even though currently the chance is very low.

With their current situation, they are still not worthy to compete and advance to the next round. Apart from the big names they have and their history in previous decades but for now Manchester United must be able to play better so that they are considered worthy of being in the Champions League.
Now with their situation like this even though they can still qualify if they manage to win in the remaining 2 matches but in the end everything will remain the same as they will definitely fall in the next phase because of this kind of performance.
Manchester United must be more able to make a difference because if they only continue to be in a situation like now then indeed they are not really worthy of being in the Champions League.

Given the tough upcoming schedules that await Manchester United, I remain highly optimistic that they will be able to emerge victorious and attain a minimum of 3 points. The reason behind my confidence lies in the fact that the level of difficulty alone will not be a determining factor in their performance. In my opinion that if this is the last chance owned by manchester united.

The match against galatasaray away will be giving big pressure for united. It's caused by this will force manchester united not to make even a single mistake during the match or it will cost MU out from UCL.

The last match will be against bayern at home. Even though MU will be playing at home against bayern but it was facing bayern. A club that was always winning, whether playing at home or away.

MU needs to be careful against it. Those clubs are so strong at this moment.

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Quote from: borovichok on November 09, 2023, 05:07:44 PM

Marcus Rashford been sent off ruined the whole game for Manchester United. They were leading 2-0 only for Copenhagen to mount pressure and make an equalizer in the first half. That was so poor performance portrayed by the Red Devils. So basically what Erik Ten Hag and his players are trying to send as message is, they can't defend their territory when they're down by one player? But I've seen teams defend to the very last core and still accumulates three points, not to talk of Manchester United that was already leading 2 nil and couldn't hold on because all of them became weak. That's definitely not how to run an entire squad, Erik Ten Hag should come up with new plan because it seems the primary one is not effective enough to gather a win for the club.

The exit of Rashford in the last 5 minutes of the first half did disrupt the rhythm of Manchester United who had played well at the beginning of the first half and of course with the loss of 1 player it was difficult for them to survive even though there was hope when Bruno managed to score the 3rd goal for Manchester United but the crucial time seemed difficult for them to bend where Copenhagen's attacks always managed to make them inconvenient.
They played not bad, it's just that when 10 players face 11 players with a relentless onslaught when concentration starts to disappear at crucial times it is quite difficult to make them survive and in the end now with this defeat their chances of qualifying are increasingly difficult even though their points are not too far away.

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Quote from: ShowOff on November 09, 2023, 04:37:12 PM

I don't care what will happen to Manchester United in the next two matches because I don't think they are worthy of competing higher in the Champions League this season. Even if Manchester United qualify for the round of 16 by any means, they will only fail there without having much chance of qualifying for the quarter-finals. Everything is uncertain, they have a chance even though currently the chance is very low.

With their current situation, they are still not worthy to compete and advance to the next round. Apart from the big names they have and their history in previous decades but for now Manchester United must be able to play better so that they are considered worthy of being in the Champions League.
Now with their situation like this even though they can still qualify if they manage to win in the remaining 2 matches but in the end everything will remain the same as they will definitely fall in the next phase because of this kind of performance.
Manchester United must be more able to make a difference because if they only continue to be in a situation like now then indeed they are not really worthy of being in the Champions League.

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This is quite thrilling. Playing with only 10 players will certainly have a real impact. And I'm quite pessimistic if Man United can win. But so far, it turns out they are really trying hard, plus Ten Hag's tactics are working quite well. It would not be surprising if it turned out that Man United could actually add another goal at such a difficult time. However, it turns out that the struggle is not over yet because Copenhagen has just added another goal, so now they are still tied at 3-3. This is still a prediction and it is not certain who will win.

Yep. Playing with 10 players only was very difficult situation for Man United. Before the red card, Copenhagen couldn't score a single goal, meanwhile Man United could score 2 goals quickly. Sadly, after Rashford got a red card, Copenhagen could score 4 goals. The red card was a night mare for Man United. It determined the lose of Man United at that time. Ten Hag also can't apply a proper tactic to defense their leading 2 goals. So, Man United missed the chance to win against Copenhagen.

If manchester united had strong mentality and i think that is not a problem even if the club might have played with 10 players. That's remind me with liverpool which was always able winning the game or at least draw once the club was playing with 10 players. The problem was on the quality of players. I think that 10 players are still enough in making the situation to be different like winning the game. The chance is always there but this totally depends on the mentality of players itself.
Manchester united has weak mentality and this is also the main reason why people are arguing some players need to be sold during winter transfer season.
The players like meguire was so trash. This guy is always making blunder that puts the club into the difficult situation. Copenhagen looks so strong compared with manchester united at this moment.
I think that MU is going to struggle again once it's gonna face galatasaway away.

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Quote from: abhiseshakana on November 08, 2023, 08:54:22 PM

The defeat suffered by Man United when competing against Copenhagen made their chances in the Champions League even tougher. They still have a chance but it doesn't just depend on their efforts but also depends on Bayern Munich. What is clear is that they must be able to get 2 wins in their remaining 2 matches and hope that Bayern Munich can beat Copenhagen or at least the match ended in a draw. I think it will be a difficult mission for Man United, considering they are currently in a tattered condition.

Some people even stated that Man United has no longer chance to qualify for the next round. I can understand it because the remaining matches is more difficult than the match against Copenhagen. Man United will play against Galatasaray away and will play against Bayern Munich in the final of the match. I doubt if Man United can get points in these matches. It seems impossible if Man United will win all the remaining matches. So, they must be ready to be eliminated from UCL competition.

Given how the game went for them against Copenhagen, I think there isn't much hope left for them. They lost the game and they also lost Rashford who will be suspended because of his red card. Winning against Galatasaray is tough when you can't win against Copenhagen in Denmark. They are still not 100% out of the Champions League, but they are making so many mistakes during the games, giving away this 2-0 lead due to a fatal decision made by Rashford. Ten Hag is going crazy I suppose, but there isn't much he can do now in that short period of time.

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Quote from: abhiseshakana on November 08, 2023, 08:54:22 PM

The defeat suffered by Man United when competing against Copenhagen made their chances in the Champions League even tougher. They still have a chance but it doesn't just depend on their efforts but also depends on Bayern Munich. What is clear is that they must be able to get 2 wins in their remaining 2 matches and hope that Bayern Munich can beat Copenhagen or at least the match ended in a draw. I think it will be a difficult mission for Man United, considering they are currently in a tattered condition.

Some people even stated that Man United has no longer chance to qualify for the next round. I can understand it because the remaining matches is more difficult than the match against Copenhagen. Man United will play against Galatasaray away and will play against Bayern Munich in the final of the match. I doubt if Man United can get points in these matches. It seems impossible if Man United will win all the remaining matches. So, they must be ready to be eliminated from UCL competition.

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Quote from: Mame89 on November 09, 2023, 01:24:06 PM

Many are trapped like you, indeed before the game begins Man United is very favorite to win especially this match is important for Man United to keep hope in order to remain able to qualify for the next stage. In addition, many of which convince this fight will be won by Man United because only Copenhagen can be said to be weak than Galatasay and Bayern Munich. So this fight is so important for Man United to steal three points so it's no wonder that many bet on Man United. But in the end of the end too. Cheesy

Honestly I am the biggest regret in my life is when betting on Man United three weeks in a row only relies on logic. It turns out that for Man United's predictions can not rely on logic, indeed they have not been stable so avoid betting on Man United. Cheesy

I'll certainly avoid betting on the team until at least the end of this year or this Champions League, as they probably won't even qualify.
Their next opponents are Galatasaray, and I think they can win, but Manchester are still up against Bayern, who are in great phase with Harry Kane, and who haven't lost a game in the Champions League or the Bundesliga yet
They will certainly have to act in the next transfer window

This Manchester situation is very difficult to bet on, no matter what happens I'm not going to bet on the team for now, I haven't had any luck
I'm going to study the next round matches carefully to try and recover my bankroll, which has been damaged by my losing streak

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Group F which is called group of death is getting even more interesting day by day. After Milan defeated PSG in San Siro things got even more complicated in the group. There is only one point between each team right now. I actually had the possibility of Milan's doing this to PSG in my mind. Because we have all seen how bad PSG have been in away matches.

They lost even with a bigger score against Newcastle. I mean that Milan didn't even have a goal scored until this match. PSG kind of helped them do even more than that.

The remaining 2 weeks are going to be quite interesting in this group. I think PSG would beat Newcastle home but I'm not so sure about the away match against Dortmund. Sad

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on November 09, 2023, 04:53:31 PM

Yep. Playing with 10 players only was very difficult situation for Man United. Before the red card, Copenhagen couldn't score a single goal, meanwhile Man United could score 2 goals quickly. Sadly, after Rashford got a red card, Copenhagen could score 4 goals. The red card was a night mare for Man United. It determined the lose of Man United at that time. Ten Hag also can't apply a proper tactic to defense their leading 2 goals. So, Man United missed the chance to win against Copenhagen.

Marcus Rashford been sent off ruined the whole game for Manchester United. They were leading 2-0 only for Copenhagen to mount pressure and make an equalizer in the first half. That was so poor performance portrayed by the Red Devils. So basically what Erik Ten Hag and his players are trying to send as message is, they can't defend their territory when they're down by one player? But I've seen teams defend to the very last core and still accumulates three points, not to talk of Manchester United that was already leading 2 nil and couldn't hold on because all of them became weak. That's definitely not how to run an entire squad, Erik Ten Hag should come up with new plan because it seems the primary one is not effective enough to gather a win for the club.

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Quote from: ShowOff on November 09, 2023, 04:37:12 PM

I don't care what will happen to Manchester United in the next two matches because I don't think they are worthy of competing higher in the Champions League this season. Even if Manchester United qualify for the round of 16 by any means, they will only fail there without having much chance of qualifying for the quarter-finals. Everything is uncertain, they have a chance even though currently the chance is very low.

I agree with your opinion. I don't think Manchester United is a big team anymore, even though they spent a lot of money in the past transfer seasons, but look, they constantly lose to small teams in the arenas. They don't deserve to keep moving forward.
Galatasaray and Copenhagen together have 4 points, while Manchester United only has 3 points. At this time, the possibility of Manchester United not being able to pass the group stage exists because they will be away at Galatasaray Stadium and meet Bayern in the final game. The game against Galatasaray will significantly determine their chances of progressing. Only victory will help them open the door to continue. Facing the mighty Bayern this season, what are their chances of winning?

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Quote from: ShowOff on November 09, 2023, 04:37:12 PM

I think it's very difficult to control the pressure when you only have 10 players on the pitch. Manchester United have not been good in defense this season and they have paid dearly for that. Ten Hag and the whole team are responsible for the bad result even when they had a big chance to secure the match with a win.

I don't care what will happen to Manchester United in the next two matches because I don't think they are worthy of competing higher in the Champions League this season. Even if Manchester United qualify for the round of 16 by any means, they will only fail there without having much chance of qualifying for the quarter-finals. Everything is uncertain, they have a chance even though currently the chance is very low.

In that match, Manchester united wasted a better opportunity to win because their weak point was none other than being unable to balance their strengths when playing with 10 players. With results that fans didn't want, of course there was a lot of harsh criticism that fans leveled at Erik Ten Hag. Apart from that, Manchester United is at the bottom of the standing and they only have a chance in the next 2 match if they are really able to maximize it well.

I also agree with you that Manchester United is not strong enough to be able to compete with other teams if they qualify for the round of 16. The quality of their game was very bad, if you look at the matches they played in the group phase.
Of course they played without having any target they wanted. The next two match will be quite tough for them, especially against Galatasaray and Bayern Munich.

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Quote from: lalabotax on November 08, 2023, 04:57:09 PM

This is quite thrilling. Playing with only 10 players will certainly have a real impact. And I'm quite pessimistic if Man United can win. But so far, it turns out they are really trying hard, plus Ten Hag's tactics are working quite well. It would not be surprising if it turned out that Man United could actually add another goal at such a difficult time. However, it turns out that the struggle is not over yet because Copenhagen has just added another goal, so now they are still tied at 3-3. This is still a prediction and it is not certain who will win.

Yep. Playing with 10 players only was very difficult situation for Man United. Before the red card, Copenhagen couldn't score a single goal, meanwhile Man United could score 2 goals quickly. Sadly, after Rashford got a red card, Copenhagen could score 4 goals. The red card was a night mare for Man United. It determined the lose of Man United at that time. Ten Hag also can't apply a proper tactic to defense their leading 2 goals. So, Man United missed the chance to win against Copenhagen.

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Quote from: baeva on November 09, 2023, 04:13:53 PM

I'm not a Manchester United fan, but I too think Copenhagen look at least better, and they proved that yesterday. It's already worth recognising that Manchester United are hardly capable of playing in the Champions League.

Is true but they both have mystery about home advantages because if you check there last meeting before yesterday match, Manchester United was playing from home and was able to win them and Copenhagen came back yesterday also playing from home and win Manchester United.

So it seems there possibilities of wining each other is determined by who will be playing from home, but however there overall performance Copenhagen is more better than Manchester United.

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I'm not a Manchester United fan, but I too think Copenhagen look at least better, and they proved that yesterday. It's already worth recognising that Manchester United are hardly capable of playing in the Champions League. After their defeat I even doubt they even have a chance to qualify for the Europa League, they are playing very badly. That they will concede in the last minutes I understood yesterday when the score was still in MU's favour. They are not able to keep the score down and control the game lately

I think it's very difficult to control the pressure when you only have 10 players on the pitch. Manchester United have not been good in defense this season and they have paid dearly for that. Ten Hag and the whole team are responsible for the bad result even when they had a big chance to secure the match with a win.

I don't care what will happen to Manchester United in the next two matches because I don't think they are worthy of competing higher in the Champions League this season. Even if Manchester United qualify for the round of 16 by any means, they will only fail there without having much chance of qualifying for the quarter-finals. Everything is uncertain, they have a chance even though currently the chance is very low.

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I would say that playing a match with one less player can affect the progress of the match, but Manchester were leading by two goals before the red card to Rashford (very questionable red card) but in my opinion Ten Haag should have set up the defensive phase better and try to contain Copenhagen.

Ten Hag did not have the chance to, he probably expected that his players would have been able to hold up and secure the advantage they had since the halftime in the game was very close, but they could not and within a few minutes lost the advantage. Coming into the second half on level score in a must win game meant that Manchester United will not be able to defend but will need to try to win the game, so no defense, but more attack. Manchester United were able to score, to get the lead again but did not defend it well and still lost the game. Manchester United have serious defensive and Midfield problems, until the coach can fix that the team will not do well.

Honestly speaking I think that Ten Haag's management so far is quite disappointing, Copenhagen - Manchester United has been conditioned by very questionable refereeing choices but it cannot be an alibi, at 2-0 and with ten men you have to defend compulsorily instead he first continued with the same starting position and after they conceded the equalizer and regained the advantage they tried to defend, but an entire or almost entire match with 10 players is an enormous waste of energy for the players and in the end they had to let go. The company is still wasting time keeping Ten Haag in my opinion they should start looking for a replacement

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on November 09, 2023, 10:57:01 AM

Losing the game against Copenhagen was not good at all but still, Copenhagen was lucky in this game because the mistake of the referee in this game had a huge effect on the game.
Manchester United scored two goals and the game was 2-0, while people were thinking Manchester United was going to win this match, Marcus Rashford got a red card and it was a mistake by the referee because I think he didn't do that on purpose.

It's obviously not an act that was committed on purpose but the referee did watch a review on the VAR to be sure before he made his decision so obviously it was a red card offense regardless of the intention maybe because it was on the ankle which could lead to an injury.

Manchester united were really unlucky yesterday as the card had a great impact on the morales of the players even tho they tried to cover up for the gap, they still didn't defend the two goals they had earlier on enough to win the game, everyone has expected Manchester united was going to have a hitch free win because it was a team considered weaker than Manchester united but sadly the reverse happened.

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That's a shame for a team like Manchester United to lose a game against Copenhagen in the Champions League. Copenhagen is not a strong team and they don't have any hope for this tournament but Manchester United had a poor performance in this game which is enough for any team to use the chance and win the game. In fact, Manchester United was a top team in this tournament and now they are losing games against weak teams.

Manchester United are no longer the same team they were even a year or two ago. Out of their 17 games Manchester United have lost 9, the percentage of defeats is already over 50 and it seems that this is the worst result for 50 years, so the defeat against Copenhagen was statistically expected.
Before the game with Manchester, Copenhagen won 4 out of 5 games and they played well, yes without Rashford's suspension the victory probably would not have happened, but they could probably draw.

Given that Bayern Munich are already in the playoffs, now 3 teams will play on equal terms to get out of the group. While Galatasaray have the best chances, they need to draw with Manchester United and beat Copenhagen and then Mauro Icardi's team will definitely get out of the group. Manchester need to win the remaining 2 games and then they will have a chance to get out of the group.

Let's be honest, we cannot say that Copenhagen is a better team compared to Manchester United. That is just not true. Manchester United is a far better team when compared to teams like Copenhagen. I do not want to offend anyone, but I think saying that Copenhagen is not a weak team is just a coping mechanism for the Manchester United fans. There was no reason for Manchester United to lose this match. There was also no reason for Manchester United to defend so poorly in this match. I think the authority of Manchester United really needs to sit down and have a talk about the coach.

I'm not a Manchester United fan, but I too think Copenhagen look at least better, and they proved that yesterday. It's already worth recognising that Manchester United are hardly capable of playing in the Champions League. After their defeat I even doubt they even have a chance to qualify for the Europa League, they are playing very badly. That they will concede in the last minutes I understood yesterday when the score was still in MU's favour. They are not able to keep the score down and control the game lately

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Quote from: Lillominato89 on November 09, 2023, 02:49:42 PM

I would say that playing a match with one less player can affect the progress of the match, but Manchester were leading by two goals before the red card to Rashford (very questionable red card) but in my opinion Ten Haag should have set up the defensive phase better and try to contain Copenhagen.

Ten Hag did not have the chance to, he probably expected that his players would have been able to hold up and secure the advantage they had since the halftime in the game was very close, but they could not and within a few minutes lost the advantage. Coming into the second half on level score in a must win game meant that Manchester United will not be able to defend but will need to try to win the game, so no defense, but more attack. Manchester United were able to score, to get the lead again but did not defend it well and still lost the game. Manchester United have serious defensive and Midfield problems, until the coach can fix that the team will not do well.

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ETH is to be blame in most of Manchester united defeat due to his lack of tactics because I don’t know why Rashford started in the first place. Honestly, this guy and Varane are against this manager and we can all see it but ETH keeps putting him because of English media. Rashford is a mess killing manchester united honestly and he was not even sad and won’t react positively next game for selling this one away.

Blaming Erik Ten Hag for United's loss is insensitive because these Manchester players are discourteous in my opinion. Manchester United's defeat to Copenhagen was an unforeseen occurrence because I determine no reason why Marcus Rashford would commit a heinous foul by matching his opponent with his boot, not to mention pressing him with his pin. Some viewers expressed their opinions, describing it as an involuntary action, but the referee has the final say, and he issued Rashford a red card for a deliberate action. Prior to it, United was leading 2 nil but couldn't defend their territory, conceding two goals in the first half. In the second half, they couldn't withstand the pressure and lost threw points.

That red card for Marcus Rashford was well deserved, even though he doesn't seem to feel any accountability. Despite being down to 10 men, Manchester United should still be dominating against Copenhagen in this game. But, we have witnessed their defeat. However, patience is running out, and the series of bad luck continues. Fans can't accept a perpetual downfall of Manchester United. This team needs a football manager who can read the game properly, not a coach who doesn't know the right player to substitute.

Losing the game against Copenhagen was not good at all but still, Copenhagen was lucky in this game because the mistake of the referee in this game had a huge effect on the game.
Manchester United scored two goals and the game was 2-0, while people were thinking Manchester United was going to win this match, Marcus Rashford got a red card and it was a mistake by the referee because I think he didn't do that on purpose.

I would say that playing a match with one less player can affect the progress of the match, but Manchester were leading by two goals before the red card to Rashford (very questionable red card) but in my opinion Ten Haag should have set up the defensive phase better and try to contain Copenhagen. They were very lucky but honor to them who managed to win this match, now despite the defeat to Manchester United it's not over and they can still get through to play against Galatasaray next 29/11 and then they have to fight with all their might against Bayern Munich in the last match. difficult but not impossible and he can still do it

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