I fully agree with you. With that shape they would never be able to win the Premier League if they were part of it. The Bundesliga is doable for them because all of the other teams are having issues and Leverkusen just tied a game against the weakest Bundesliga team Bochum. That's why at the moment the Bundesliga is no benchmark at all. They have 33:7 goals, which is of course not bad at all, but it doesn't help anything in any other competition. You can see in almost every single game that they can't turn their dominance into anything of value. The most obvious evidence was the game against Barcelona. You could literally take that game for educational purposes... Bayern Munich has the ball most of the time and Barcelona teaches them how to use ball possession.
Barcelona and Bayern Munich aren't on same level this season, Barcelona is almost more likely to be seen as far ahead in their form and performance their season than they have been before meanwhile for Bayern Munich they have a coach who is still trying to gather some experience around the champions League so their game play and productivity is definitely not going to be on same level and Bayern is doing better in their domestic league but the champions League is such they wouldn't be keeping some sorts of expectations on their season. 
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While I believe they will most likely lose to Liverpool, they could win the other three games. Real Madrid is obviously not going to be in the top 8, that seems like a pipe dream at this point and they would have to win all four games and even then it could be tough but then they would be in top 8 if that happens. However, if they do end up with three wins, then I am guessing they are going to be out of top 8 but still be in top 24 so that means they will be out of the group stages. Then we will see how they do on the next round, we have no idea who they will face, but based on who they face, they could still go to last sixteen. Whatever they do, they are not looking as dominant as they used to be, and that's a sad thing considering they added Mbappe to a team that won both La Liga and UCL at the same time. I believe they are going to face a bigger trouble, when the results are not as good as they hope, and if they lose, then things could turn very sour very quickly.
This season, Liverpool and Atalanta would impose stern tests on Real Madrid side. At present, both are yet to taste defeat in their last four matches and, as ever, Liverpool appear solid and seemingly very consistent. But perhaps more significantly, also the growth of Atalanta who matured into a much stronger team this season— they really look a threat.Liverpool and Atalanta might pose tough tests on Real Madrid in this season's UEFA Champions League. Both have shown impressive performances and are unbeaten in their last four matches. Liverpool have been very solid and consistent, while Atalanta have also matured and become a stronger team...
The last few matches when facing both teams, both Liverpool and Atalanta. Real Madrid managed to record quite good results, winning five times in a row when facing Liverpool and winning three times in a row when facing Atalanta, the last time defeating Atalanta in the super eufa final. However, this season both teams appear different and even stronger. so it could be that in this ucl match meeting, both liverpool and atalanta make a winning record against real madrid.
You are misinterpreting the data you published. Odds of 6.50 mean a greater chance than odds of 7.0 Barcelona are now literally the third favourite for the title:
Manchester City - 4.50
Real Madrid - 5.50
Barcelona Fc - 6.50
Liverpool - 7.00
Arsenal - 10.00
Fc Bayern Munich - 10.00
And in fact, 6.5 is not much different from 4.5 - the main favorite and 5.5 - the main winner of the Champions League.
Taking into account the decline of the main favorites, I see that the quotes have become much more even.
I will really love to see Liverpool or Barcelona or Bayern or Dortmund to lift that trophy, they have suffered enough
.. I think the new pattern should bring about new winners for the trophy(hopefully)Barcelona and Liverpool's good chances are indeed based on their good results, but more likely on statistics. Bayern have one more failure than Barcelona at the moment, but they are rated worse. Real and City's good chances are based mainly on a long-term (pre-season) assessment of their strength - the clubs are currently doing much worse than expected and they are not leaders in their leagues, but it is assumed that in the long run they will be stronger than their bright (currently) competitors.
As for me, given the ongoing epidemic of injuries, I am no longer sure of anything.
in fact, the decline in the performance of the favorite teams makes it increasingly difficult for us to predict every match they play, and how far they are able to go this season. In a broader picture, the new format of the Champions League has proven to produce more surprises, when the competition is increasingly competitive, even the favorite teams seem to have difficulty talking much this season.
I doubt Real Madrid will get qualify to knock out round or not with UEFA Champion League new format after defeating 2 of 4 matches and collected 6 points awhile. Last match make many fans shocked after Madrid defeating by not favorable team AC Milan have downtrend performance in domestic league bust success defeating Madrid on their home match. However Madrid have 9 points remaining reach to direct qualify to knock out round from Aston Villa but many teams have few points left to reach higher standings position will make difficult for Madrid get the higher standings position.
Upcoming match, Madrid have to face difficult opponent team Liverpool who leading the first standings awhile and must win if won't loss opportunity to defend the Champion League tittle.
Four matches left for Real Madrid in phase league matches
While I believe they will most likely lose to Liverpool, they could win the other three games. Real Madrid is obviously not going to be in the top 8, that seems like a pipe dream at this point and they would have to win all four games and even then it could be tough but then they would be in top 8 if that happens. Upcoming match, Madrid have to face difficult opponent team Liverpool who leading the first standings awhile and must win if won't loss opportunity to defend the Champion League tittle.
Four matches left for Real Madrid in phase league matches
- Liverpool A
- Atalanta A
- Salzburg H
- Brest A
However, if they do end up with three wins, then I am guessing they are going to be out of top 8 but still be in top 24 so that means they will be out of the group stages. Then we will see how they do on the next round, we have no idea who they will face, but based on who they face, they could still go to last sixteen. Whatever they do, they are not looking as dominant as they used to be, and that's a sad thing considering they added Mbappe to a team that won both La Liga and UCL at the same time. I believe they are going to face a bigger trouble, when the results are not as good as they hope, and if they lose, then things could turn very sour very quickly.
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That is literally all they have at this point. They have a good defense and they trust their defense to keep them in the game, which they do and because of this I am going to be pretty sure that we are going to end up with a much worse situation in the end. What we need to realize about Bayern Munich this season is that they may still end up winning their league, but just because they may win Bundesliga doesn't mean that they are doing great, they are still not doing that great at all.We need to realize they are still worse and at UCL I do not see how they could be any better, most probably they are going to end up with a much better result. I am pretty sure that we are going to see this grow to be a bigger deal, and because of that we can definitely consider Bayern to be a failure this year since they are not looking that good at all. I believe for a team to be a good team, at Bayern level, they need to win the league with ease, and have a potential for UCL as well.
I fully agree with you. With that shape they would never be able to win the Premier League if they were part of it. The Bundesliga is doable for them because all of the other teams are having issues and Leverkusen just tied a game against the weakest Bundesliga team Bochum. That's why at the moment the Bundesliga is no benchmark at all. They have 33:7 goals, which is of course not bad at all, but it doesn't help anything in any other competition. You can see in almost every single game that they can't turn their dominance into anything of value. The most obvious evidence was the game against Barcelona. You could literally take that game for educational purposes... Bayern Munich has the ball most of the time and Barcelona teaches them how to use ball possession.
Yesterday match of Bayern vs Benfica team, Bayern team won the match by scoring 1 goal. Benfica team could not score any goal in this match. Benfica team players tried hard to score but could not score any goal. However, Benfica team could have drawn this match. The performance of the Bayern team players was really good for which Benfica team could not score any goals in this match.
Bayern Munich team defenders played critical role in this match because they have good physique and played well in this match.Benfica football team could not do any goal in this match and both teams have ranking close to each other. Both teams played 4 matches and both teams have 6 points on points table which states that both are teams with same level. Musiala did goal when team needed and after no player became successful to do any goal. The stat of Bayern Munich team was wonderful and they striked 24 shots in this match and from which 10 were on target and pass accuracy was also brilliant by that team in this match.We need to realize they are still worse and at UCL I do not see how they could be any better, most probably they are going to end up with a much better result. I am pretty sure that we are going to see this grow to be a bigger deal, and because of that we can definitely consider Bayern to be a failure this year since they are not looking that good at all. I believe for a team to be a good team, at Bayern level, they need to win the league with ease, and have a potential for UCL as well.
You are misinterpreting the data you published. Odds of 6.50 mean a greater chance than odds of 7.0 Barcelona are now literally the third favourite for the title:
Manchester City - 4.50
Real Madrid - 5.50
Barcelona Fc - 6.50
Liverpool - 7.00
Arsenal - 10.00
Fc Bayern Munich - 10.00
And in fact, 6.5 is not much different from 4.5 - the main favorite and 5.5 - the main winner of the Champions League.
Taking into account the decline of the main favorites, I see that the quotes have become much more even.
I will really love to see Liverpool or Barcelona or Bayern or Dortmund to lift that trophy, they have suffered enough
.. I think the new pattern should bring about new winners for the trophy(hopefully)Barcelona and Liverpool's good chances are indeed based on their good results, but more likely on statistics. Bayern have one more failure than Barcelona at the moment, but they are rated worse. Real and City's good chances are based mainly on a long-term (pre-season) assessment of their strength - the clubs are currently doing much worse than expected and they are not leaders in their leagues, but it is assumed that in the long run they will be stronger than their bright (currently) competitors.
As for me, given the ongoing epidemic of injuries, I am no longer sure of anything.
Four matches left for Real Madrid in phase league matches
Real Madrid can beat both Salzburg and Brest but in other two matches with Liverpool and Atalanta, risk of losing points is big. It's hard to say Liverpool and Atalanta are stronger than Real Madrid but they are strong enough to have points from Real Madrid.- Liverpool A
- Atalanta A
- Salzburg H
- Brest A
Liverpool don't have good record in history with Real Madrid but it doesn't mean they won't be able to beat Los Blancos. Atalanta are the same, and their success in recent seasons as well as last season final match with Leverkusen are warnings for Real Madrid to be more careful with Atalanta. The club from Bergamo Italy, can beat any big club in a good day.
Real Madrid on their side, already ended their bad streak by a big win in La Liga, they are coming back strongly. If they return to their normality, beating Liverpool and Atalanta is possible.
I doubt Real Madrid will get qualify to knock out round or not with UEFA Champion League new format after defeating 2 of 4 matches and collected 6 points awhile. Last match make many fans shocked after Madrid defeating by not favorable team AC Milan have downtrend performance in domestic league bust success defeating Madrid on their home match. However Madrid have 9 points remaining reach to direct qualify to knock out round from Aston Villa but many teams have few points left to reach higher standings position will make difficult for Madrid get the higher standings position.
Upcoming match, Madrid have to face difficult opponent team Liverpool who leading the first standings awhile and must win if won't loss opportunity to defend the Champion League tittle.
Four matches left for Real Madrid in phase league matches
Even though they have just managed to achieve a big win after beating Osasuna with a score of 4-0 in the continuation of La Liga, this result does not guarantee that they can achieve victory in the 4th UCL Match. Real Madrid will face Liverpool at Anfield, since the change of coach, Liverpool have performed very impressively with positive results that have made them top of the Premier League and Champions League standings. If Real Madrid lose at Anfield, they will immediately fall into the relegation zone, after which they will also face Atalanta who have been very productive this season.Upcoming match, Madrid have to face difficult opponent team Liverpool who leading the first standings awhile and must win if won't loss opportunity to defend the Champion League tittle.
Four matches left for Real Madrid in phase league matches
- Liverpool A
- Atalanta A
- Salzburg H
- Brest A
Barcelona has currently shown a very impressive performance so I am confused why there are still those who doubt them and the matter of Barcelona not being the main favorite in the title race this season because at the beginning of the season they were doubted but now everything is different, Hansi Flick really managed to make a significant difference in the Barcelona team this season.
And to say anything to win the title this season is still too early but I think if we look at what Barcelona has shown this season then they deserve and there is a possibility for that, they just need to maintain their consistency there until the end of the season.
With the results that have been shown by Barcelona at the beginning of this season, of course everyone can conclude that Barcelona has received a better tactical injection from their new coach this season, but if you still see someone who doubts Barcelona this season even though they have seen good results from the Barcelona team, it might be because that person doesn't like the Barcelona team so whatever Barcelona has achieved at the beginning of this season is still very lacking according to them.And to say anything to win the title this season is still too early but I think if we look at what Barcelona has shown this season then they deserve and there is a possibility for that, they just need to maintain their consistency there until the end of the season.
Yes, even though we don't know that if we look further in a matter of one season we will not know what it will be like later, but now Barcelona must be recognized for rising and performing very well, only haters do not admit it.
When we are talking about Barcelona's chances to win the title, their chance are low. I said that based on the latest UCL odds. Liverpool still leads to be the most favorite club to win the title, and Barcelona is still at the 6th place.
Barcelona is very productive in the UCL, eventhough they are not in the top 5 for outright odds. This shows Barcelona shall have tried harder to win the title. But, the odds can change based on the UCL results each week.
There are still 4 matches left to be played and I am optimistic that Barcelona has a chance to be in the top 5 in the next 2 matches. As long as Hansi Flick continues to maintain the consistency of his players, there is no reason for Barcelona to decline. Barcelona 5th match will host Brest and in terms of quality if they are able to beat them, it will provide an additional higher chance. Brest has not experienced a defeat but if you look at the opponents who have been defeated, their strength level is below standard then I am sure that Blaugrana is still favored.Barcelona is very productive in the UCL, eventhough they are not in the top 5 for outright odds. This shows Barcelona shall have tried harder to win the title. But, the odds can change based on the UCL results each week.
And to say anything to win the title this season is still too early but I think if we look at what Barcelona has shown this season then they deserve and there is a possibility for that, they just need to maintain their consistency there until the end of the season.
I don't know that why they are still doubtful about Barca. But I think they didn't understand what Barcelona did. To be honest, Barcelona are just starving for a victories. Hansi flick made some beautiful changes in the tactical instructions like he changed Barcelona from possession to forward run offense. And ultimately, Barcelona are just dominated the matches with some good number of goals. If we look at the goal scoring mode they scored 54 goals are in just 16 games in whole competition. Hansi flick turned Barcelona into goal scoring machine. So now I'm pretty sure that Barcelona can do everything, like they can win leagues, Champion league etc.
So don't be skeptical just believe in the German.So indeed he will bring up the UEFA champions league title into the Camp nou...
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After suffering 2 consecutive defeats against Aston Villa and Barcelona, Bayern Munich immediately bounced back in Match 4 by beating Benfica. In my opinion, Bayern Munich will have no trouble hosting PSG at the Allianz Arena as the away team has not won in their last three matches. After the defeat against Atlético Madrid in their last game, PSG are in 25th place in the UCL standings. Munich will be the favorite team in this match because PSG is inconsistent in maintaining its performance this season.Bayern if they really want to stay in a place that is quite comfortable then clearly full points must be one of the targets for Bayern at this time but it is also not easy because PSG also definitely wants points because after all their position is much more difficult than Bayern at this time.
The advantage for Bayern in this match is that they play at home so this will be something that can be beneficial for them because playing at home is clearly a good advantage if it can be maximized properly by Kompany's squad, it just depends on performance and finishing because they are still quite weak in this regard.
It's not that anyone is doubting Barcelona, but it's still early to conclude because the league is still in the group stage. There are some big clubs that it's in the knock out stage, they will buggle up and improve their performance because there will be a home advantage by then. Barcelona performance is extremely good and no doubt if they keep up with it till the end, they might the league, but currently their chance of winning it is 50-50.
They have lost twice in the 4 matches they have played and in week 5 they will face PSG which will certainly not be easy for them to conquer if the target is 3 points. This still seems a little unfavorable for Bayern even though PSG is currently looking alarming in the Champions League but they are not an easy opponent.
After suffering 2 consecutive defeats against Aston Villa and Barcelona, Bayern Munich immediately bounced back in Match 4 by beating Benfica. In my opinion, Bayern Munich will have no trouble hosting PSG at the Allianz Arena as the away team has not won in their last three matches. After the defeat against Atlético Madrid in their last game, PSG are in 25th place in the UCL standings. Munich will be the favorite team in this match because PSG is inconsistent in maintaining its performance this season.Bayern if they really want to stay in a place that is quite comfortable then clearly full points must be one of the targets for Bayern at this time but it is also not easy because PSG also definitely wants points because after all their position is much more difficult than Bayern at this time.
The advantage for Bayern in this match is that they play at home so this will be something that can be beneficial for them because playing at home is clearly a good advantage if it can be maximized properly by Kompany's squad, it just depends on performance and finishing because they are still quite weak in this regard.
If Madrid does end up in the play-off, I don't think it will be a big deal, but it certainly won't happen.
Although Madrid current performance is inconsistent, I have this assumption,
Liverpool vs Madrid (draw)
Atalanta vs Madrid (Madrid win)
Madrid vs Salzburg (Madrid win)
Brest vs Madrid (Madrid win)
If all the matches are in accordance with this prediction, I am sure Madrid will be in the best position to advance to the next round.
Looking at Real Madrid right now I doubt them, especially against a club that can be said to be quite good right now they will face Liverpool we see how Liverpool is right now with good strength and also consistent in achieving victory it will be difficult for Real Madrid especially away games Real Madrid is not like before we have to understand after Kroos retired they really lost an important figure on the field and in my opinion this Champions League is a difficult job for them Real Madrid of course Vinicius.Although Madrid current performance is inconsistent, I have this assumption,
Liverpool vs Madrid (draw)
Atalanta vs Madrid (Madrid win)
Madrid vs Salzburg (Madrid win)
Brest vs Madrid (Madrid win)
If all the matches are in accordance with this prediction, I am sure Madrid will be in the best position to advance to the next round.
It's not just Liverpool who are having difficulties in my opinion Atalanta will also give a surprise to the Spanish team, I'm sure Gesperini will show his class when playing with Real Madrid and Brest is also a club that is difficult to beat in the Champions League right now I'm not sure they will succeed in these 3 matches with a win.
Barcelona has currently shown a very impressive performance so I am confused why there are still those who doubt them and the matter of Barcelona not being the main favorite in the title race this season because at the beginning of the season they were doubted but now everything is different, Hansi Flick really managed to make a significant difference in the Barcelona team this season.
And to say anything to win the title this season is still too early but I think if we look at what Barcelona has shown this season then they deserve and there is a possibility for that, they just need to maintain their consistency there until the end of the season.
With the results that have been shown by Barcelona at the beginning of this season, of course everyone can conclude that Barcelona has received a better tactical injection from their new coach this season, but if you still see someone who doubts Barcelona this season even though they have seen good results from the Barcelona team, it might be because that person doesn't like the Barcelona team so whatever Barcelona has achieved at the beginning of this season is still very lacking according to them.And to say anything to win the title this season is still too early but I think if we look at what Barcelona has shown this season then they deserve and there is a possibility for that, they just need to maintain their consistency there until the end of the season.
To be honest, I don't agree with your opinion about Bayern Munich's main target this season. Bayern Munich is a team that is always the favorite in the Champions League regardless of who the coach is, so it would not be right if they would only focus on the Bundesliga first before placing their focus on the Champions League. All the top teams target the Champions League title as their main target in Europe, so I think the same thing applies to Bayern Munich, who is being coached by Kompany this season.
I might agree with your opinion if Kompany coached a team like Leipzig or another mid-table team. Even with Dortmund or Leverkusen, Kompany will make the Champions League title the biggest target in his plans this season.
A big team like Bayern Munich must target trophies in any competition they participate in, but with the quality like now, it seems impossible for them to be able to achieve that target. Realistically speaking and maybe when you see them in the Champions League this season, it doesn't show a favorite team at all because there are so many things that make them look so weak and even a very painful defeat.I might agree with your opinion if Kompany coached a team like Leipzig or another mid-table team. Even with Dortmund or Leverkusen, Kompany will make the Champions League title the biggest target in his plans this season.
In the past, Barcelona had so much difficulty when they had to face Bayern Munich, but now we can see how they destroy Bayern Munich mercilessly. A more realistic target is winning the Bundesliga trophy than the Champions League this season.
Barcelona has currently shown a very impressive performance so I am confused why there are still those who doubt them and the matter of Barcelona not being the main favorite in the title race this season because at the beginning of the season they were doubted but now everything is different, Hansi Flick really managed to make a significant difference in the Barcelona team this season.
And to say anything to win the title this season is still too early but I think if we look at what Barcelona has shown this season then they deserve and there is a possibility for that, they just need to maintain their consistency there until the end of the season.
With the results that have been shown by Barcelona at the beginning of this season, of course everyone can conclude that Barcelona has received a better tactical injection from their new coach this season, but if you still see someone who doubts Barcelona this season even though they have seen good results from the Barcelona team, it might be because that person doesn't like the Barcelona team so whatever Barcelona has achieved at the beginning of this season is still very lacking according to them.And to say anything to win the title this season is still too early but I think if we look at what Barcelona has shown this season then they deserve and there is a possibility for that, they just need to maintain their consistency there until the end of the season.
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Yesterday match of Bayern vs Benfica team, Bayern team won the match by scoring 1 goal. Benfica team could not score any goal in this match. Benfica team players tried hard to score but could not score any goal. However, Benfica team could have drawn this match. The performance of the Bayern team players was really good for which Benfica team could not score any goals in this match.
Bayern Munich team defenders played critical role in this match because they have good physique and played well in this match.Benfica football team could not do any goal in this match and both teams have ranking close to each other. Both teams played 4 matches and both teams have 6 points on points table which states that both are teams with same level. Musiala did goal when team needed and after no player became successful to do any goal. The stat of Bayern Munich team was wonderful and they striked 24 shots in this match and from which 10 were on target and pass accuracy was also brilliant by that team in this match. 
I doubt Real Madrid will get qualify to knock out round or not with UEFA Champion League new format after defeating 2 of 4 matches and collected 6 points awhile. Last match make many fans shocked after Madrid defeating by not favorable team AC Milan have downtrend performance in domestic league bust success defeating Madrid on their home match. However Madrid have 9 points remaining reach to direct qualify to knock out round from Aston Villa but many teams have few points left to reach higher standings position will make difficult for Madrid get the higher standings position.
Upcoming match, Madrid have to face difficult opponent team Liverpool who leading the first standings awhile and must win if won't loss opportunity to defend the Champion League tittle.
Four matches left for Real Madrid in phase league matches
With the poor performance they have shown so far, I'm also doubting the qualification for the first time. Seeing that they will play Liverpool and Atatanta make me realize just how tough the road to qualification is for them because I know that both teams will not be easy for them to win. Liverpool will likely win them and with the way Lukeman Ademola take big teams personal, I will not be surprise if he gives Real Madrid a shock of their life. No doubt Real Madrid is well experienced when it comes to the champions league but I don't know if their experience will count this time because they are in a very tight corner that require them being in their best form to escape. Upcoming match, Madrid have to face difficult opponent team Liverpool who leading the first standings awhile and must win if won't loss opportunity to defend the Champion League tittle.
Four matches left for Real Madrid in phase league matches
- Liverpool A
- Atalanta A
- Salzburg H
- Brest A
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