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Quote from: rendravolt on July 18, 2024, 10:52:34 AM

Quote from: Fara Chan on July 18, 2024, 05:17:47 AM

I also see Arsenal as a team that can still be quite strong next season so that some of their closest rivals last season also still have to be wary of Arsenal as their competitor in the race for the Premier League trophy. Likewise in the Champions League because Arsenal could perform better next season and be able to reach a quite crucial stage so that their rivals will still see Arsenal as an opponent that needs to be eliminated early before heading to the quite crucial stages in the Champions League.

These expectations are very similar to what we expected last season but in the end Arsenal were nothing more than a mediocre team in the Champions League competition. They didn't have the conditions to get close to the semifinals and instead they had to fall after successfully qualifying from the group stages.

I never knew there were people who expected much from Arsenal in the UCL. Most of the people I know including myself only had expectations in them winning the EPL from the time they started the return legs and they were in pretty good standing. Unfortunately, Arsenal still lack the ability to finish strong hence, they lost the trophy to Man City. If Arsenal want to be taken seriously, they should start from the EPL first and win it, else they should never dream of winning the UCL because that game is not for kids but for adults.

Quote from: rendravolt on July 18, 2024, 10:52:34 AM

I don't think any team is afraid or worried about Arsenal's presence and in fact other strong teams are wary of teams full of history who have always been regular champions of the league. Maybe Arsenal is very scary for any team in the same group but after that they are nothing more than a team that can be knocked out easily.

The threat of Arsenal ends at group stages because that is the only time they show some courage. Beyond the group stages, any serious team can easily humble them as we have seen in several appearances they made and came back home in shame.

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Quote from: Fara Chan on July 18, 2024, 05:17:47 AM

I also see Arsenal as a team that can still be quite strong next season so that some of their closest rivals last season also still have to be wary of Arsenal as their competitor in the race for the Premier League trophy. Likewise in the Champions League because Arsenal could perform better next season and be able to reach a quite crucial stage so that their rivals will still see Arsenal as an opponent that needs to be eliminated early before heading to the quite crucial stages in the Champions League.

These expectations are very similar to what we expected last season but in the end Arsenal were nothing more than a mediocre team in the Champions League competition. They didn't have the conditions to get close to the semifinals and instead they had to fall after successfully qualifying from the group stages.

I don't think any team is afraid or worried about Arsenal's presence and in fact other strong teams are wary of teams full of history who have always been regular champions of the league. Maybe Arsenal is very scary for any team in the same group but after that they are nothing more than a team that can be knocked out easily.

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Quote from: Fara Chan on July 18, 2024, 05:17:47 AM

Quote from: Sg4j1n3ll0 on July 18, 2024, 03:17:00 AM

Arsenal is a very good team and I agree with you that they will be able to have an excellent run in the champion league considering the fact that they have made some excellent signings and above all Jorginho has signed the renewal of his contract with Arsenal which personally is a a player who I like very much even if he didn't shine in these European games with Italy but he will have time to make up for it on the big stages

I also see Arsenal as a team that can still be quite strong next season so that some of their closest rivals last season also still have to be wary of Arsenal as their competitor in the race for the Premier League trophy. Likewise in the Champions League because Arsenal could perform better next season and be able to reach a quite crucial stage so that their rivals will still see Arsenal as an opponent that needs to be eliminated early before heading to the quite crucial stages in the Champions League.

No matter about Arsenal who managed to improve the quality of the team because anyway, Arsenal will only focus on the Premier League and not for the Champion League. Because anyway, that Arsenal are also not too often able to play in the Champion League but indeed, in the last season also at least Arsenal managed to qualify for the quarter-finals but unfortunately, Arsenal lost by Bayern Munich.

But in my personal view, that is still not enough to say Arsenal are strong in the Champions League next season. Although indeed, Arsenal have bought players and or have had good performance, but I believe Arsenal are still not strong enough if they have to compete in the Champion League. Maybe it can be concluded as well as Milan in Serie A who managed to become a team in the Scudetto competition, but in reality they are still weak for competition in the Champions League.

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Quote from: Fara Chan on July 18, 2024, 05:17:47 AM

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Arsenal is a very good team and I agree with you that they will be able to have an excellent run in the champion league considering the fact that they have made some excellent signings and above all Jorginho has signed the renewal of his contract with Arsenal which personally is a a player who I like very much even if he didn't shine in these European games with Italy but he will have time to make up for it on the big stages

I also see Arsenal as a team that can still be quite strong next season so that some of their closest rivals last season also still have to be wary of Arsenal as their competitor in the race for the Premier League trophy. Likewise in the Champions League because Arsenal could perform better next season and be able to reach a quite crucial stage so that their rivals will still see Arsenal as an opponent that needs to be eliminated early before heading to the quite crucial stages in the Champions League.

In the domestic league, maybe Arsenal should be taken into account in the competition for the championship trophy, but sorry, I think Arsenal is still not able to compete in the Champions League because the mentality they have is still far from other teams in the Champions League so far, we can compare last season how they also failed to give a lot of resistance to Munich even though at that time Munich was in bad condition, next season the Champions League will use a new format in the competition and it allows many teams to participate in the Champions League next season so indirectly making Arsenal chances to go further in the Champions League very unlikely to happen, the mentality possessed by the Arsenal players is very bad when they have to face an important match and they should be able to win in the match but in fact they often slip in the match the important match.

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Quote from: Fara Chan on July 18, 2024, 05:17:47 AM

Quote from: Sg4j1n3ll0 on July 18, 2024, 03:17:00 AM

Arsenal is a very good team and I agree with you that they will be able to have an excellent run in the champion league considering the fact that they have made some excellent signings and above all Jorginho has signed the renewal of his contract with Arsenal which personally is a a player who I like very much even if he didn't shine in these European games with Italy but he will have time to make up for it on the big stages

I also see Arsenal as a team that can still be quite strong next season so that some of their closest rivals last season also still have to be wary of Arsenal as their competitor in the race for the Premier League trophy. Likewise in the Champions League because Arsenal could perform better next season and be able to reach a quite crucial stage so that their rivals will still see Arsenal as an opponent that needs to be eliminated early before heading to the quite crucial stages in the Champions League.

For the past two seasons now, Arsenal has been very much in good form and playing good football. But it will be quite funny if Arsenal we have a three consecutive excellent season without any trophy to their name. This guy is were supposed to win the English Premier League title season before last and they were also supposed to win same last season. They also had the opportunity to win the Europa League season before last about all did not work. I also do not believe that they will make it work this time around if they continue with the strategy they have been using.

It is high time Arteta and his boys focused on one title or trophy and win for the club. If they think that Champions league is difficult, they should behave like Sevilla and focus on Europa. If they feel that EPL is difficult they should focus on FA cup. I no longer like this trophyless seasons for Arsenal.

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Quote from: Helena Yu on July 18, 2024, 05:01:17 AM

It's definitely the best decision he made, he will know his worth after he get more trophies with Real Madrid, he will earn more by endorsement.

If you want to get a lot of trophies then Real Madrid is one of the most appropriate clubs for Mbappe because this club has everything. But talking about income really depends on the value of the contract, salary or sponsors who use his services. As before Real Madrid had Ronaldo and Mbappe could be one like him in the next season.

Quote from: Fara Chan on July 18, 2024, 05:17:47 AM

I also see Arsenal as a team that can still be quite strong next season so that some of their closest rivals last season also still have to be wary of Arsenal as their competitor in the race for the Premier League trophy. Likewise in the Champions League because Arsenal could perform better next season and be able to reach a quite crucial stage so that their rivals will still see Arsenal as an opponent that needs to be eliminated early before heading to the quite crucial stages in the Champions League

Arsenal's ability to fight for the Premier League title may still be quite open but to ensure this I am a little doubtful. Especially if we talk about the Champions League which in reality is not their competition because there are many competitors that they are unable to conquer. I am not trying to underestimate Arsenal's ability but this is the highest league and almost many clubs hope to get success there.

For the Champions League I will not include Arsenal as a strong candidate but I still agree if it is related to the Premier League. For two seasons they have always failed to break Man City's dominance and now is the third chance for them. If they fail then I think Arsenal's chance to win the Premier League will disappear again.

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Quote from: Fara Chan on July 18, 2024, 05:17:47 AM

I also see Arsenal as a team that can still be quite strong next season so that some of their closest rivals last season also still have to be wary of Arsenal as their competitor in the race for the Premier League trophy. Likewise in the Champions League because Arsenal could perform better next season and be able to reach a quite crucial stage so that their rivals will still see Arsenal as an opponent that needs to be eliminated early before heading to the quite crucial stages in the Champions League.

The bottom line to go to history and record is a team don't need to be a super strong and have many impressive performances. If they have these things, they are all good but the history and records care about what are the champion team of a league in each season. Champions can be called more easily than runner-ups and value of ending one season as a runner-up is very smaller in importance and recognition than as a champion.

If anyone says Arsenal is a weak team or in other words is not a strong team, it's wrong and I can debate for proving it is wrong. Otherwise, it's not easy to say Arsenal are strong and competitive enough to win Champions League. They need to improve a lot from player quality, main players to substitutions, tactics and mentality to win Champions League. Teams like Manchester City and PSG struggled many years before only Manchester City won their first Champions League title two seasons ago while PSG are still fighting for their first title.

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Quote from: Sg4j1n3ll0 on July 18, 2024, 03:17:00 AM

Arsenal is a very good team and I agree with you that they will be able to have an excellent run in the champion league considering the fact that they have made some excellent signings and above all Jorginho has signed the renewal of his contract with Arsenal which personally is a a player who I like very much even if he didn't shine in these European games with Italy but he will have time to make up for it on the big stages

I also see Arsenal as a team that can still be quite strong next season so that some of their closest rivals last season also still have to be wary of Arsenal as their competitor in the race for the Premier League trophy. Likewise in the Champions League because Arsenal could perform better next season and be able to reach a quite crucial stage so that their rivals will still see Arsenal as an opponent that needs to be eliminated early before heading to the quite crucial stages in the Champions League.

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People who said Arsenal will make it in this season should wake up and face the reality that Arsenal will not become a champion again since Manchester City or Real Madrid will beat Arsenal. Manchester City still have all of their key players while Real Madrid add one more destroyer.

Also don't forget Leverkusen will participate in this season, which making it harder for mediocre team like Arsenal to become a champion.

Quote from: arimamib on July 17, 2024, 04:36:09 PM

Of course, that is very true because so far it has been very difficult for Mbappe to win the UCL trophy with PSG. so in this transfer window we see that Mbappe has officially joined Real Madrid and that is quite the right step for him to achieve great success with Real Madrid.

It's definitely the best decision he made, he will know his worth after he get more trophies with Real Madrid, he will earn more by endorsement.

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Quote from: baeva on July 17, 2024, 05:17:31 PM

I think arsenal have a problem not only in the squad but also in the mentality of the team, I have repeatedly noticed how in the most important moments they make mistakes that end up being solvable. Last season, compared to the previous one, things were much better, but still not perfect. But it's fair to say that Manchester City made a lot of mistakes last season, too. Besides, for the Champions League, the psychological stability of the team is very important

Is it about mentality or form of strength which is still considered weak when faced with stronger teams. Of course, the question of mentality is something that is often said, especially in the Champions League. Of course, in the Champions League, every team must be able to exert extra strength when they face a team they have never faced. If you look at the changes made by Arteta, of course he has made great progress in improvement after improvement, but if Arteta continues to fail in bringing trophies, of course in the final assessment he will fail to make changes.
Arsenal target may not be the UCL trophy but they are more focused on the EPL trophy as they did in the previous season. I think they need to lift the EPL trophy first before focusing their strength on the Champions League.

But the squad that Arsenal currently has is actually more than enough, they have players who are actually great and can be relied on because Arsenal is one of the best teams in the Premier League and can always give surprises when playing against other big team there.
But it would be shame if big competition like the UCL shows that Arsenal is team with fairly weak mentality, they seem to be declining and seem to lose confidence every time they compete in the UCL, this is problem that must be eliminated.
Basically, mentality will greatly influence the success of team when competing, those who are confident in their strength and abilities will definitely play very well, it just that the problem of mentality is not an easy matter to solve.
But in the future we will never know how Arsenal will develop, whether they focus on the Premier League or the UCL, it will all depend on how they develop and what their strengths are like in each match.

Arsenal is a very good team and I agree with you that they will be able to have an excellent run in the champion league considering the fact that they have made some excellent signings and above all Jorginho has signed the renewal of his contract with Arsenal which personally is a a player who I like very much even if he didn't shine in these European games with Italy but he will have time to make up for it on the big stages

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Quote from: ginsan on July 17, 2024, 05:33:34 PM

Quote from: baeva on July 17, 2024, 05:17:31 PM

I think arsenal have a problem not only in the squad but also in the mentality of the team, I have repeatedly noticed how in the most important moments they make mistakes that end up being solvable. Last season, compared to the previous one, things were much better, but still not perfect. But it's fair to say that Manchester City made a lot of mistakes last season, too. Besides, for the Champions League, the psychological stability of the team is very important

Is it about mentality or form of strength which is still considered weak when faced with stronger teams. Of course, the question of mentality is something that is often said, especially in the Champions League. Of course, in the Champions League, every team must be able to exert extra strength when they face a team they have never faced. If you look at the changes made by Arteta, of course he has made great progress in improvement after improvement, but if Arteta continues to fail in bringing trophies, of course in the final assessment he will fail to make changes.
Arsenal target may not be the UCL trophy but they are more focused on the EPL trophy as they did in the previous season. I think they need to lift the EPL trophy first before focusing their strength on the Champions League.

But the squad that Arsenal currently has is actually more than enough, they have players who are actually great and can be relied on because Arsenal is one of the best teams in the Premier League and can always give surprises when playing against other big team there.
But it would be shame if big competition like the UCL shows that Arsenal is team with fairly weak mentality, they seem to be declining and seem to lose confidence every time they compete in the UCL, this is problem that must be eliminated.
Basically, mentality will greatly influence the success of team when competing, those who are confident in their strength and abilities will definitely play very well, it just that the problem of mentality is not an easy matter to solve.
But in the future we will never know how Arsenal will develop, whether they focus on the Premier League or the UCL, it will all depend on how they develop and what their strengths are like in each match.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 17, 2024, 06:44:10 PM

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As I already said, the next season will be decisive - if Arsenal does not take the title, then progress will be replaced by regression.

Arsenal must be able to win the title next season. They already have a solid squad and they have been runners-up twice in the EPL. I'm not saying Arsenal should be EPL champions because that's quite difficult. But at least Arsenal can get one trophy this season. The Arsenal squad is currently in their best performance. I think if they fail to get the trophy again this will affect the players' confidence.
The previous season, Arsenal managed to advance to the quarter-finals before finally being defeated by Munich. I think it's already a good result but they deserve to go further in the UCL.

The English League is not only the main league title, there is the FA Cup and the League Cup, at least Arsenal can have one of these titles rather than having to go home empty-handed. Actually Arsenal's performance was better than Manchester United last season but Man United can win 1 FA Cup title and beat Man City, so Arsenal is not only focused on the Premier League and Champions League, at least they are also focused on competitions that are more convincing to win the title because the EPL and UCL competition is very fierce and it is very difficult to win that title.

By bringing previous experience of being able to reach the quarter-finals, next season Arsenal must be even better, at least reaching the UCL semifinals.

By the way, I'm a little worried that Mikel Arteta will be fired because he failed to give Arsenal the title they want because since Mikel Arteta has served as Arsenal coach since 2019 until now Arsenal have not been able to win the EPL title even though they almost got it if only they were more consistent and didn't make mistakes there end of season. Cry

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Quote from: Hanadawa on July 17, 2024, 10:53:37 PM

Arsenal must be able to win the title next season. They already have a solid squad and they have been runners-up twice in the EPL. I'm not saying Arsenal should be EPL champions because that's quite difficult. But at least Arsenal can get one trophy this season. The Arsenal squad is currently in their best performance. I think if they fail to get the trophy again this will affect the players' confidence.
The previous season, Arsenal managed to advance to the quarter-finals before finally being defeated by Munich. I think it's already a good result but they deserve to go further in the UCL.

I would like to say a more humbling statement about ability of Arsenal on winning titles in the next season. I see that Arsenal are a strong team and they are competitive for titles too but it's more realistic to say they can win Premier League next season rather than win Champions League.

If winning a title is a progress, Premier League must be a title Arsenal can win first, after two latest seasons with races against Manchester City. Two seasons ago, the gap is big, the last season the gap is smaller and what if in a new season, the gap will be created by Arsenal when they beat Manchester City in this race.

In Champions League, Arsenal shown improvements last two seasons too but they will have to face with so many big clubs in Europe and their players have less experience in Champions League than in Premier League. In Champions League, Real Madrid with appearance of Mbappe in their team, will be a strongest team and will Arsenal be able to beat Real Madrid in any stage of knock out matches?

It will be very tough task for Arsenal and I doubt they can complete it well. In addition, there are not only Real Madrid but some other big competitors like Barcelona, Bayern Munich, PSG, Manchester City.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 17, 2024, 06:44:10 PM

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As I already said, the next season will be decisive - if Arsenal does not take the title, then progress will be replaced by regression.

Arsenal must be able to win the title next season. They already have a solid squad and they have been runners-up twice in the EPL. I'm not saying Arsenal should be EPL champions because that's quite difficult. But at least Arsenal can get one trophy this season. The Arsenal squad is currently in their best performance. I think if they fail to get the trophy again this will affect the players' confidence.
The previous season, Arsenal managed to advance to the quarter-finals before finally being defeated by Munich. I think it's already a good result but they deserve to go further in the UCL.

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Quote from: Sg4j1n3ll0 on July 17, 2024, 03:07:23 AM

of course seeing mbappe with a European team instead of seeing him in some Arab team is really nice, he could have chosen but he made the right choice in my opinion he was very influenced by the path of Cristiano Ronaldo who was number one in this so he did well to make the choice to go to the galacticos team that will certainly compete in the big competitions and perhaps win them

Indeed, there were many offers that came to Mbappe, such as from several clubs in the Saudi Arabian League and the English League, but he chose Real Madrid and I also personally think that the steps taken by Mbappe were indeed good steps and it looks like Mbappe could be following in the footsteps of his idol, namely Cristiano. Ronaldo. And of course, with Mbappe joining Real Madrid, Mbappe will definitely have an exciting match with Real Madrid because the matches he will play will definitely be prestigious matches such as the Champions League and La Liga.

But of course in this case Real Madrid is very lucky because Mbappe's contract at PSG has expired so of course Real Madrid didn't spend much capital. and in this case of course Real Madrid is really lucky and Mbappe also of course looks happy because it is his dream to join Real Madrid because he is following in the footsteps of his idol (Cristiano Ronaldo). Of course Mbappe and Real Madrid are really lucky and of course Mbappe will have the potential to be able to adapt quickly and definitely with the many star players at Real Madrid. This will definitely make Mbappe and his friends share their experiences, which of course means Real Madrid will become a club that continues to successful .

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Quote from: Abu-Naim on July 17, 2024, 05:42:10 PM

Arteta’s aim is to win trophy for Arsenal next season. The team’s main target is the EPL, they wants to show their quality to win the Premier League ahead of Manchester City because they have gone far; the team is improving massively and yo be a runner up in two consecutive seasons is not easy, they lost the Premier League title in their last match of the season which shows that they can win it next season.

If Arteta can get a better chance to go far in the Champions League, they will do so because Arsenal is in need of all these trophies including the Champions League and any other Cup they will be playing next season.

After Arsenal have consistently improved their results in the Premier League for 5 years in a row and received silver in the last two seasons, next season will be decisive. If they can't build on their progress in the form of a title, it could break the players. Despite progress in results over the last two seasons, they have received more criticism than recognition. Trophyless Arsenal has become a meme, but I don’t think they deserve such treatment, especially considering the fact that they have become better than all other clubs except the club that is accused of cheating.
As I already said, the next season will be decisive - if Arsenal does not take the title, then progress will be replaced by regression.

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Quote from: Abu-Naim on July 17, 2024, 05:42:10 PM

Quote from: ginsan on July 17, 2024, 05:33:34 PM

Is it about mentality or form of strength which is still considered weak when faced with stronger teams. Of course, the question of mentality is something that is often said, especially in the Champions League. Of course, in the Champions League, every team must be able to exert extra strength when they face a team they have never faced. If you look at the changes made by Arteta, of course he has made great progress in improvement after improvement, but if Arteta continues to fail in bringing trophies, of course in the final assessment he will fail to make changes.
Arsenal target may not be the UCL trophy but they are more focused on the EPL trophy as they did in the previous season. I think they need to lift the EPL trophy first before focusing their strength on the Champions League.

Arteta’s aim is to win trophy for Arsenal next season. The team’s main target is the EPL, they wants to show their quality to win the Premier League ahead of Manchester City because they have gone far; the team is improving massively and yo be a runner up in two consecutive seasons is not easy, they lost the Premier League title in their last match of the season which shows that they can win it next season.

If Arteta can get a better chance to go far in the Champions League, they will do so because Arsenal is in need of all these trophies including the Champions League and any other Cup they will be playing next season.

I don't think they should Focus on UCL besides I don't think they want to focus on UCL... most of their energy will be channelled to EPL next season hopefully they have some luck and get it done or they still f**k it up like they used to do.. Mancity aren't kidding, they are still ready to take the EPL next season so they must fuel each match to bring win in their games for next season. Also they must put it in mind that many teams will also step up their game to win that next EPL ( like Man U , Chelsea..... their major rivalries) .... UCL is gonna be hotter next season Cheesy

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Quote from: ginsan on July 17, 2024, 05:33:34 PM

Is it about mentality or form of strength which is still considered weak when faced with stronger teams. Of course, the question of mentality is something that is often said, especially in the Champions League. Of course, in the Champions League, every team must be able to exert extra strength when they face a team they have never faced. If you look at the changes made by Arteta, of course he has made great progress in improvement after improvement, but if Arteta continues to fail in bringing trophies, of course in the final assessment he will fail to make changes.
Arsenal target may not be the UCL trophy but they are more focused on the EPL trophy as they did in the previous season. I think they need to lift the EPL trophy first before focusing their strength on the Champions League.

Arteta’s aim is to win trophy for Arsenal next season. The team’s main target is the EPL, they wants to show their quality to win the Premier League ahead of Manchester City because they have gone far; the team is improving massively and yo be a runner up in two consecutive seasons is not easy, they lost the Premier League title in their last match of the season which shows that they can win it next season.

If Arteta can get a better chance to go far in the Champions League, they will do so because Arsenal is in need of all these trophies including the Champions League and any other Cup they will be playing next season.

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Quote from: baeva on July 17, 2024, 05:17:31 PM

I think arsenal have a problem not only in the squad but also in the mentality of the team, I have repeatedly noticed how in the most important moments they make mistakes that end up being solvable. Last season, compared to the previous one, things were much better, but still not perfect. But it's fair to say that Manchester City made a lot of mistakes last season, too. Besides, for the Champions League, the psychological stability of the team is very important

Is it about mentality or form of strength which is still considered weak when faced with stronger teams. Of course, the question of mentality is something that is often said, especially in the Champions League. Of course, in the Champions League, every team must be able to exert extra strength when they face a team they have never faced. If you look at the changes made by Arteta, of course he has made great progress in improvement after improvement, but if Arteta continues to fail in bringing trophies, of course in the final assessment he will fail to make changes.
Arsenal target may not be the UCL trophy but they are more focused on the EPL trophy as they did in the previous season. I think they need to lift the EPL trophy first before focusing their strength on the Champions League.

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