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June 16, 2024, 01:46:53 PM
Alot of the sentiment on this thread over the last few days have been largely centered on Madrid winning the title for the second time in a row. As much as they're the true kings of the tournament and are in a really great place right now where they can perform and compete with any team right now, I'm not 100% certain that they can win it yet. A lot of twists and turns are gonna be there and like all football games, the best teams don't always win and I can see that happening with Madrid. There are teams that could still handle them well in the UCL.

My options are still open even though my default, biased choice is going to be Liverpool.
If it's not Real Madrid then it's likely Manchester City will be the next champions because these two teams are the only ones who have clear prospects of winning the Champions League title. Maybe other teams have the same chance to win the title, it's just that if one of them faces one of Real Madrid or Manchester City in the final then everything will be in vain.

I don't mean to belittle but everything is very clear with the great coaches and also the depth of the squad that these two teams have. In my opinion, Liverpool still can't compete to win the title at the moment because they still have to adapt to their new coach, Arne Slot, and as long as Liverpool still entrusts the striker position to Darwin Nunez, it won't work.
The transfer market is not yet closed and there are going to be several changes in every team, so our prediction will be correct when the clubs have fully formed their squads. Real Madrid have managed to make a big transfer at the start of the season as well as losing one of their key midfielders and there are rumors that they could lose a few more players. On the other hand, there are rumors that the current manager may leave Manchester City. Since there are so many rumours, at least if we make predictions now, they will be wrong. Let the season start, let each team play one match, then at least we can make predictions. Hope the predictions are correct.
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June 16, 2024, 12:50:25 PM
Even though Diego Simeone has still not succeeded in bringing Atletico to the Champions League trophy, but the reality is that Atletico is still quite fine with the results the team has obtained so far during the Diego Simeone era. Because after all, Diego Simeone was able to make Atletico better so they could compete at the highest level in La Liga and also in the Champions League. Therefore,  I think this factor is also enough for Atletico to keep Diego Simeone because after all, changing coaches is not a guarantee for Atletico to get good results like Diego Simeone did. So yes, whether next season Atletico will succeed in getting better results or not in the Champions League, I don't think that is their main priority. Because after all, getting good and consistent results in the domestic league seems to be a priority for them.
Diego simeone has been at Atletico Madrid for a very long time, although he was not able to bring Atletico Madrid to trophy victory in the Champions League, but Atletico Madrid achievements under the care of Diego Simeone are of course very good, during his coaching, Simeone managed to make Atletico a team that is quite capable of competing in the top tier of La Liga, often even Atletico was able to break the dominance of Barcelona and Madrid so far in La Liga,  During his 12 years with Atletico, Simeone won the La Liga trophy, Copa del Rey and the Europa League, so far Atletico management of course still maintains Simeone based on the performance and consistency of their club that is able to compete in the top tier of La Liga even with a limited squad.

All teams of course want glory and also the achievement of a prestigious trophy as an achievement at the end of the season, as well as Atletico who certainly still targets the Champions League trophy next season, although it is a little difficult but still they are still optimistic that they can get good results in the Champions League next season.
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June 16, 2024, 12:25:08 PM
Do you think Atletico can perform well next season? considering they are finalists who have never lifted this trophy. I think Simione is still trusted to handle Atletico and it seems like he has dedicated his life only to Atletico. Unfortunately he has never led this team to win a title even though he has often been in the final round.

This should be an important lesson for Atletico to be able to achieve their goals and see the depth of their current squad, in fact they can still compete but of course it will not be easy to reach the final round again. Moreover, currently every strong team always upgrades its squad little by little every season and here Atletico is quite behind. But I am still quite optimistic that they can provide fierce competition and not, as we thought, this season, they will be eliminated quickly in the quarter-finals.

Even though Diego Simeone has still not succeeded in bringing Atletico to the Champions League trophy, but the reality is that Atletico is still quite fine with the results the team has obtained so far during the Diego Simeone era. Because after all, Diego Simeone was able to make Atletico better so they could compete at the highest level in La Liga and also in the Champions League. Therefore,  I think this factor is also enough for Atletico to keep Diego Simeone because after all, changing coaches is not a guarantee for Atletico to get good results like Diego Simeone did. So yes, whether next season Atletico will succeed in getting better results or not in the Champions League, I don't think that is their main priority. Because after all, getting good and consistent results in the domestic league seems to be a priority for them.
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June 16, 2024, 10:30:54 AM
Netherlands vs Poland
Group D seems to be the group of death with France, Poland, Netherlands and Austria. France surely is the favorite here while it's important for Netherlands and Poland to get as many points as possible and this first match between them could be decisive. Austria looks the lose brick but they can surprise anyone. 14 minutes in Netherlands seems to be more in control and attacking while Poland is in defense. As there are no goals yet and the game too early, this could turn to any side any moment.

Mate this is the Champions League thread, not the Euro 2024 one.  Wink



We have a format change next season as you must have learned about it already. We are going to have a league with 36 teams however teams aren't going to play against all the remaining ones. 8 matches; 4 home - 4 away.

I have found an image showing projected pots for next season. It is just a prediction including some teams coming through qualifiers as well.  Smiley


Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/superlig/comments/1d17uay/ucl_20242025_projected_pots/

Pot 1 looks really scary.  Tongue  As far as I know every team is going to draw 2 teams from each pot. One of those is going to be home while the other one is an away match. Some teams will probably be really lucky while some won't. After this stage everything is the same with the usual knockouts.
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June 16, 2024, 10:09:21 AM
Any idea how Leverkusen is going to perform in the Champions League competition? 

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Nothing more than the round of sixteen, immediately after the group stage games. That's whwtbi expect from them.

We should have seen that finals in the next couple of months ( August ) but, Bayern Leverkusen had some difficulties beating Atalanta in the finals of the European Europa League Competition.

I expect them to also dominate their group and come out as the best, I mean finishing strong at the top, but nothing more than the knock out stage believe, they should rather surprise me than for be to set my hopes high and they fail me completely. I love Xabi Alonso, I want to see him rise to the level of other top managers but I don't know if he can do it back to back for Bayern Leverkusen same way he did last season.


Yes, if we hope for team consistency it will be very difficult, even though Leverkusen looked cool in every match last season. In the following season, it will be difficult for Alonso to continue to make his team play matches like before. That doesn't mean Leverkusen can't do it, but it's a pretty serious challenge for Xabi Alonso and it won't be easy at all. Moreover, they will compete in the Champions League, in fact we don't yet know which teams will be challengers in the group phase later. what I can theorize is that the club's or Xabi's main target is to qualify from the group phase. After that, it depends on what team they will be playing against. that is, if Leverkusen is not in the group phase which has tough opponents. The reason is, the Champions League competition is quite tough and is a challenge for the squad coached by Xabi Alonso. It's not only related to mentality, but every team they will play against is a team that performs quite well in their respective leagues. The point is, I can't expect anything before they play their match after the new competition starts. We will see later, whether Xabi Alonso is able and keeps Leverkusen as competitive as last season. Or, Leverkusen will be like other teams who failed to maintain the consistency they built in the previous season. But at least Leverkusen has a chance to qualify for the group phase with the squad they currently have, but we will only know for sure when the Champions League competition is rolled out.

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June 16, 2024, 09:57:52 AM
Netherlands vs Poland
Group D seems to be the group of death with France, Poland, Netherlands and Austria. France surely is the favorite here while it's important for Netherlands and Poland to get as many points as possible and this first match between them could be decisive. Austria looks the lose brick but they can surprise anyone. 14 minutes in Netherlands seems to be more in control and attacking while Poland is in defense. As there are no goals yet and the game too early, this could turn to any side any moment.

France will win the group as you said, you would expect Netherlands to finish second in the group but I think runners up spot in that group is less clear. It’s currently 1-1 at half time in the Poland vs Netherlands game.

Remember some 3rd place teams can have a chance to advance to the next round in this tournament. 
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June 16, 2024, 09:14:22 AM
Netherlands vs Poland
Group D seems to be the group of death with France, Poland, Netherlands and Austria. France surely is the favorite here while it's important for Netherlands and Poland to get as many points as possible and this first match between them could be decisive. Austria looks the lose brick but they can surprise anyone. 14 minutes in Netherlands seems to be more in control and attacking while Poland is in defense. As there are no goals yet and the game too early, this could turn to any side any moment.
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June 16, 2024, 09:03:51 AM
Any idea how Leverkusen is going to perform in the Champions League competition? 

I actually want to see Leverkusen from well in the Champions League competition. For some reason, I also want to see a final between Real Madrid and Leverkusen. I think because I want to see how great coaches, Alonso and Ancelotti does against each other. I understand that this is not a good comparison and probably there is a very high chance that Real Madrid is actually going to win very easily. Because of the track record that they have in the Champions League. But it will still be something to watch. The expectation is really high from Leverkusen. I hope they will be able to deliver properly on that.

Nothing more than the round of sixteen, immediately after the group stage games. That's whwtbi expect from them.

We should have seen that finals in the next couple of months ( August ) but, Bayern Leverkusen had some difficulties beating Atalanta in the finals of the European Europa League Competition.

I expect them to also dominate their group and come out as the best, I mean finishing strong at the top, but nothing more than the knock out stage believe, they should rather surprise me than for be to set my hopes high and they fail me completely. I love Xabi Alonso, I want to see him rise to the level of other top managers but I don't know if he can do it back to back for Bayern Leverkusen same way he did last season.

Anyways, we should all anticipate the Super Cup Competition Finals between ( Real Madrid ) and Atalanta. Another trophy for Carlo Ancellotti and his lads then.
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June 16, 2024, 06:03:30 AM
Do you think Atletico can perform well next season? considering they are finalists who have never lifted this trophy. I think Simione is still trusted to handle Atletico and it seems like he has dedicated his life only to Atletico. Unfortunately he has never led this team to win a title even though he has often been in the final round.

This should be an important lesson for Atletico to be able to achieve their goals and see the depth of their current squad, in fact they can still compete but of course it will not be easy to reach the final round again. Moreover, currently every strong team always upgrades its squad little by little every season and here Atletico is quite behind. But I am still quite optimistic that they can provide fierce competition and not, as we thought, this season, they will be eliminated quickly in the quarter-finals.
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June 16, 2024, 05:40:48 AM
Here are the winning chance of each team to become a champion in the next season:

60% for Real Madrid
39% for Manchester City
1% for Arsenal, Inter, Milan, Barcelona, PSG, Bayern Munich, Leverkusen etc. Tongue

Real Madrid without Mbappe can still become a champion in this season, so it's no doubt majority of people will believe in Real Madrid.

Yeah it really seems like a joke. Real Madrid is not too strong, they were so lucky on semifinal with Bayern on Madrid (especially on 1-1 goal).
Manchester City? Good on a paper but pitch says something different.
1% for all teams in the world excluding 2 overhyped teams? Really?

The statistics looks ridiculous but that doesn’t mean his statistics is wrong. He did it base on current times and what each of the team are playing and we can all see for ourselves. Until next season begins and we see what it looks like before we can now start making predictions on which team will do better than the other, as of now, Real Madrid still remains the favourites after signing Mbappe and Manchester coming second most likelihood to win the Champions League after Real Madrid. All other clubs will definitely fall within the 1% unless we see a different performance from them when season begins. We want to see a more competitive season than the last one, so every club needs to be at their best to deliver the best to make the competition more enjoyable to follow.

I'm not saying that these teams are not favorites on paper, especially since Mbappe joined Real. However, Manchester City does not look so good with strong teams. So I think he may be right about the Champions League favorites, but the percentage breakdown is a complete joke. I don't know if you know how much 1% is, but it's almost nothing. If the bookmaker was guided by his percentage breakdown, the odds for all other teams to win except these two would be around 100. To be honest, I would bet quite a lot on it. The division of, for example, 50%, 30% and 20% into the rest would look completely different. However, real football is not a computer game and here one player will not win the trophy. If Mbappe couldn't even reach the final, and he lost many times in the earlier stages - why is he so sure that he will suddenly win the trophy in a new environment? The fact that Real has recently won this trophy does not mean that now it will be time for another team and it will dominate in the coming seasons. There are many strong teams that can really play good football, so betting only on 2 I think is a mistake, but we will see next season.
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June 16, 2024, 05:39:35 AM
Jude Bellingham place in the madrid team is not in contest. When Ancelotti moved him close to goal was because of inavailability of a striker and injury of Vini Junior. When Vinicius Junior came back, he reverted to playing Bellingham in his normal position

There will not be position issues in Real Madrid, the problem will be on supremecy, who will the team be built around. It will be unfair if they deny Vinicius his time to reign and favour Mbappe.
To hold that role, in my opinion, Real Madrid still has players who can hold it, one of which is Luca Modric. He still has the chance to stay at Real Madrid next season, although he will make a decision after EURO. But it does give hope that he may still be in the Real Madrid squad next season.

In my opinion, giving that role to Mbappe is too early, he is a player who just joined Real Madrid at the end of this season, and I think there are still many players who can play that role.

In my opinion, Vinicius can't hold that role yet, so Ancelotti has to choose another player, it could be in defense or something else. However, it is better for them to prioritize the interests of the team, because when they can mature with each other or understand their respective roles, then they will not depend on the instructions of just one player, they will be able to be more flexible in doing so.
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June 16, 2024, 01:35:04 AM
Here are the winning chance of each team to become a champion in the next season:

60% for Real Madrid
39% for Manchester City
1% for Arsenal, Inter, Milan, Barcelona, PSG, Bayern Munich, Leverkusen etc. Tongue

Real Madrid without Mbappe can still become a champion in this season, so it's no doubt majority of people will believe in Real Madrid.

Yeah it really seems like a joke. Real Madrid is not too strong, they were so lucky on semifinal with Bayern on Madrid (especially on 1-1 goal).
Manchester City? Good on a paper but pitch says something different.
1% for all teams in the world excluding 2 overhyped teams? Really?

The statistics looks ridiculous but that doesn’t mean his statistics is wrong. He did it base on current times and what each of the team are playing and we can all see for ourselves. Until next season begins and we see what it looks like before we can now start making predictions on which team will do better than the other, as of now, Real Madrid still remains the favourites after signing Mbappe and Manchester coming second most likelihood to win the Champions League after Real Madrid. All other clubs will definitely fall within the 1% unless we see a different performance from them when season begins. We want to see a more competitive season than the last one, so every club needs to be at their best to deliver the best to make the competition more enjoyable to follow.
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June 16, 2024, 01:27:34 AM
Knowing that the champions league is not that simple like domestic leagues, especially Bayer Leverkusen, this is their first time playing in the champions league, and due to their incredible performance of the last season, they have potential and higher expectations, so it will not be a simple run for Bayer Leverkusen because they are not only playing in the champions league next season but also learning how to maintain their performance and increase their effort to play something tangible in the league. 

Although if you are to consider the fact of their performance, you will see that Bayer Leverkusen will be able to overcome all the tough challenges and have the courage and confidence to face any other team. Know that the Champions League is a game of winners, and the best way to find the best amount for them Beyer leverkusen will need a higher amount of confidence to do something tangible in the league. 

Of course Leverkusen will again show the quality of their game, even though they will face big and strong teams, of course they will try their best to be the best of the best, even though it is unlikely that they will be able to dominate the Champions League, but with their achievements this is enough good because they have been able to be in the Champions League for the first time and of course this is a very good achievement for them. They have to be able to face big and strong teams in attack, where they will experience the pressure put on them by other big teams which might make them surprised and overwhelmed.

Leverkusen's chances are not that big, because they are still not strong enough to dominate the Champions League, what's more, there is a big team that is indeed the king of champions in the Champions League and of course it is not easy for them to beat. but maybe Leverkusen will surprise them with what they have done before, even though the chance is very small, because competition in the Champions League will of course be much different from competition in the domestic league.
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June 16, 2024, 12:06:33 AM
Atalanta together with Bayern Leverkusen will play in the Champions League but I don’t think they will both go far in the league since they’re lesser teams compare to other teams that will be playing in that competition. They can try their best, but I don’t see them even reaching the quarter finals or exiting pass the quarter finals of the competition. In this stages, the game would have been filtered to the most experienced and best teams which I don’t think they’ll fall in that last eight categories or will escape from that stage if they do.
The Champions League is filled with representative clubs from other leagues, in contrast to the European League which is still filled with mid-table clubs who appear impressive, while the Champions League is filled with experienced top-flight clubs and usually they always dominate the top 3 in their respective leagues so that every clubs competing in the Champions League will do their best and their strength cannot be underestimated. I also doubt Leverkusen and Atalanta whether they can match the level of experienced candidates in the Champions League because this club looks like it will be the underdog club in the Champions League next season.

Even though Xabi Alonso has made Leverkusen unbeatable in the Bundesliga and beat Bayern Munich, and Atalanta can beat Leverkusen who have not yet tasted defeat. This is not a guarantee that next season will have the same performance because every club will definitely try to improve their performance, especially when the Champions League is dominated with experienced clubs, they need a strong mentality and experience to be able to perform well in the Champions League, a big competition in Europe, so if Leverkusen and Atalanta want to appear successful there, at least they have players who are experienced and have a strong mentality.
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June 15, 2024, 07:53:01 PM
With the arrival of Mbappe, it is certain that a new strategy will be needed in the team. In fact, Mbappe and Bellingham can play in harmony with each other, if they are placed on the field correctly, Real Madrid will have no problems scoring goals next season. But these two players need to be compatible with each other, if they cannot achieve this, there may be some confusion Smiley
Of course, there strategy will be different from the season 2023-2024 when there is no strong striker in the attacking line of Real Madrid. In the season 2023-2024, Vinicius and Rodrygo are 2 players in the front line of Real Madrid, they are supported by Bellingham. The formation in the last season was 4-3-1-2. In the next season, the formation will return to be 4-3-3. Mabppe will be put on the striker position, meanwhile Vinicius and Rodrygo will play as wingers. Bellingham will return to his best position (center midfielder). I guess Real Madrid will use Camavinga-Valverde-Bellingham in the midfield line, meanwhile Vinicius-Rodrygo-Mbappe for the attackers. I think this will be a good formation, there is no confusion here. All the players will play in their best positions.  Wink



This lineup or formation will be complete if Davies successfully joins Real Madrid.  Grin

Source: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/28281663/how-real-madrid-line-up-kylian-mbappe-transfer/


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Let us remember that the format of the new Champions League has been changed, passing the first phase of the league would seem to be easier, if I am not mistaken out of 36 teams in the standings 24 go through to the next phase, the top 8 instead qualify directly to the round of 16, the other 16 instead compete in a playoff. So both Atalanta and Leverkusen may have a chance to go far in this new Champions League.
The UEFA Champions League have made quite important changes which I believe will affects the setting of the game fixture and the sectioned rounds. The UEFA Champions League title is simply one of the toughest tournaments in the football world Europe. It comes with amazing ideas and we've watched how everything have played out. Everything changing and the qualifying clubs will swiftly become straight.
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June 15, 2024, 05:56:38 PM
Atalanta together with Bayern Leverkusen will play in the Champions League but I don’t think they will both go far in the league since they’re lesser teams compare to other teams that will be playing in that competition. They can try their best, but I don’t see them even reaching the quarter finals or exiting pass the quarter finals of the competition. In this stages, the game would have been filtered to the most experienced and best teams which I don’t think they’ll fall in that last eight categories or will escape from that stage if they do.
Experience they say is the best teacher, Borrusia Dortmund and Bayer Leverkusen lost in the major finals and this is unbelievable. There's basically top categories of these clubs that will be fighting for the top titles. The UEFA Champions League was the main target for most of these outstanding clubs but there's always something big coming. Atalanta and Bayer Leverkusen gave us a hard game to watch which also stirs up the rising motion.


Let us remember that the format of the new Champions League has been changed, passing the first phase of the league would seem to be easier, if I am not mistaken out of 36 teams in the standings 24 go through to the next phase, the top 8 instead qualify directly to the round of 16, the other 16 instead compete in a playoff. So both Atalanta and Leverkusen may have a chance to go far in this new Champions League.
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June 15, 2024, 05:51:48 PM
Atalanta together with Bayern Leverkusen will play in the Champions League but I don’t think they will both go far in the league since they’re lesser teams compare to other teams that will be playing in that competition. They can try their best, but I don’t see them even reaching the quarter finals or exiting pass the quarter finals of the competition. In this stages, the game would have been filtered to the most experienced and best teams which I don’t think they’ll fall in that last eight categories or will escape from that stage if they do.
Experience they say is the best teacher, Borrusia Dortmund and Bayer Leverkusen lost in the major finals and this is unbelievable. There's basically top categories of these clubs that will be fighting for the top titles. The UEFA Champions League was the main target for most of these outstanding clubs but there's always something big coming. Atalanta and Bayer Leverkusen gave us a hard game to watch which also stirs up the rising motion.
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I agree with you on that, because Mbappé can arrive in a very capricious way to a Madrid where basically he can't and shouldn't do things the way he wants, Madrid is not PSG and that was one of the reasons why they didn't want Mbappé to come to Madrid and I think that here the one who is going to make the difference without a doubt is going to be Ancelotti, because above all he is a gentleman who must be respected, everyone at Madrid respects him and knows that he is more than a coach, he is like a father to them, when he found out that Kross was leaving, Carletto cried, so Ancelotti is more than a coach to them, that's why I don't think that Mbappé will arrive with that emphasis of wanting to do whatever he wants.



Basically, Mbappe will not be able to do as he pleases, a bit like he did when he was at Paris saint Germain, in PSG he was the top player pampered by everyone and had no major rivals in his role, at Real Madrid he will become one of many top players and the starting place is by no means assured. So he better be respectful of the locker room hierarchies
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June 15, 2024, 05:35:38 PM
Any team will have to work hard to win titles this season, because Real Madrid got a star very young. The striker is greatly needed in midfield, but will now face massive competition to tackle the situation as Manchester City face off. But the Arsenal team will not be able to resist these two teams in any way, the current Arsenal team is very weak.  
But they are interested enough to make the deal, if the deal is executed the best performance will be much more than possible. But now Manchester City and Real Madrid are the top two teams in the current list.

Real Madrid has shown their capacity as a title contender so far, the combination of young and experienced players of course makes Madrid currently quite strong and able to overcome every opponent so it is not surprising if they are able to win the 15th championship trophy this season, next season they will have Mbappe in their squad so that with the addition of Mbappe, of course, it makes the attacking line very dangerous because it is indeed skill,  their performance and sharpness in scoring goals have been extraordinary so far, what you say of course I totally agree, Madrid next season will certainly be a team that we can say has the potential to win the Champions League again.

Next season we will see a fierce competition in the Champions League, although Madrid currently has a very capable squad and arguably very tough, but I think we cannot underestimate other teams that are currently starting to improve the quality, mentality and quantity of their squad, including Arsenal this season.
I agree with you that Arsenal may be one of the hottest clubs that are going to compete for the champions league trophy come next season,they have built a formidable team that can withstand the pressure of any team,and to me,what made them  got eliminated from the tournament by Bayern was because they lacked that experience that can make them win Bayern.We all know how strong Bayern can be in the competition,but Arsenal were in a better shape to eliminate them.However,that has passed,next season is going to be a tough and competitive one because I know quite well that the gunners won't want to be removed so quick from the competition,it's going to be a very competitive one.

I think the English Premier League is where I think Arsenal will do very well next season because they still having gotten the quality players that can compete with the big teams which we always see in the champions league, Arsenal team has improved in performance no doubt but last season they were in their best form but still failed to defeat the Bayern Munich team that experienced their worst form last season. Arsenal will not be easily eliminated in the champions league next season but they still don't have a team that can withstand teams like Real Madrid, they still need to sign more good players to be able to compete in the champions league. I think the Premier League is where Arsenal will do well next season if they don't lose form but winning the champions league by them will be difficult for now until they build the team to be undefeated.
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