Topic: UEFA Champions League 2024/25 Season - page 254. (Read 58064 times)

Look, he didn't have a bad game against Real Madrid, on the contrary. What would Liverpool have done against Real Madrid, they would certainly have lost anyway. I think they are very similar teams in terms of strength, I say Liverpool and Atalanta, in fact in my opinion it will be difficult to understand what to bet on.

I agree considering Atalanta's opponents in the league phase are not entirely easy, especially from the 8 matches later they have to face 3 strong teams such as Arsenal, Real Madrid, and Barcelona. Honestly if they have a good mentality, they should be able to stop any opponent no matter how strong but unfortunately for now that is not available.

The rest they can only hope for hard work and luck and if that happens then it is not impossible that they can become a surprising team. The round of 16 is an obligation for any team and I think if they can repeat the success like in the Europa League last season then it could be an extraordinary repetition in a different competition and it must be admitted here that Gesperini is a good coach with the depth he has can conjure it well.

Anyway, Atalanta must minimize defeats if they intend to survive and also because the intensity of their training must be increased from now on.

Gasperini knows what he is doing, which is fine and he is a great manager but I am sure that there is absolutely no way that he will take this team to anywhere good in the UCL, it is just not possible when you look at financial point of view.

The greatest achievement they could ever hope for would be last sixteen, which I do not think that they have what it takes to do but even in that case I am sure that they will end up losing, unless they get a very very lucky draw. They did the best they could hope for, win the Europa league, they are at that level and being the best of the level you are in is the reward in itself, plus they made so much money by just being in the UCL and playing games here, so that's a good thing for the future as well.

The Euro 2024 cost a lot of available time for training in pre-season preparation from Mbappe and the lack of time for adaptation actually affects Mbappe performances in early matches for Real Madrid. He is a very good player and after scoring first two goals for Real Madrid in La Liga, maybe Mbappe already reduced a lot of pressure and will be able to play better in upcoming matches.

It is too soon to say about failure of Mbappe in Real Madrid and we can discuss about it when the season ends and see whether he wins any or many titles with them. Assess his performance for Real Madrid in this season will be more accurate when he already plays many matches or best completes this season for Real Madrid.

Many of us are unsure and don't fully understand a new format of UCL. It will be challenging for big clubs like Real Madrid too because it destroys their normal schedules for a season. Now with more matches from Champions League, their star players will have more risk of exhaustion then injuries.

It means people's predictions have gone wrong for Mbappe. They expected big things from him. But his poor performances in the last games proved the squad doesn't really need him.

Real Madrid won the Super Cup, but this season is not about the Super Cup only. Also, this season is going to be longer as they shall play longer than last season following the new format of UCL.

It's hard to guess how far Real Madrid will go in the new format of UCL. The group stage is gonna end in January, which is a very long way to go for them. And they have no lots of quality subs. The wave of injuries will always be threatening them as well.

Yeah that's true! I must have checked the fix wrongly, I was clearly mistaking  Arsenal with  Liverpool...
Atalanta performance is somehow on and off, though I'm not used to watching their games but I've watched some, I think they started dropping drastically since July . Arsenal on the other hand also fumble sometimes but they do perform well  most  times though they had a draw recently in one of their games and if we should compare performance with that of Atalanta  then I must agree with you that it shouldn't be a stress for Arsenal (so far Atalanta is still on their off )

Atalanta will face Arsenal in their first match, not Liverpool. However, the chances of Atalanta winning against Arsenal are very low. But the problem is that the Atalanta team often surprises us by performing well.

Atalanta played last match in Serie A against Inter Milan. Atalanta suffered a humiliating 4-0 defeat in the match. The team could not score a single goal. Their overall performance was very poor. This is the first time this season that Atalanta have faced a big team and they have played very poorly. Therefore, we think that the chances of Atalanta winning against Arsenal in the Champions League match are low.

Liverpool will play against Milan in the first match of the Champions League. Milan played very well in the pre-season matches. But the team could not win even one of the first three matches in Serie A. On the other hand, Liverpool dominated and won the first three matches of the Premier League. Therefore, Premier League team Liverpool is considered as favorite in this match as well.

Though I'm not a fan of Premier league that much but I could see some change In Liverpool at the moment and the fact they've won 3 games consecutive is a good sign of change besides that also placed them at the second position on the table...
This is surely a good specu. for Atalanta  vs  Liverpool,though UCL might be different but I don't think Atalanta  can win Liverpool  with their current stats but nevertheless, I expect a good game from both sides

You're right. UCL is higher level, UCL has more stronger teams. Winning UEL doesn't increase the chance for the success on UCL.
Well, it was quite surprising that Atalanta could beat Liverpool in UEL. But now in UCL, I'm not sure that Atalanta will have a chance to beat Liverpool anymore. We can see that the performance of Liverpool looks more stable and convincingly. It is quite different with Atalanta which looks very inconsistently in domestic league. They got 2 losses in 3 early matches in Serie A. This can be a sign that Atalanta is actually weaker than the previous season.

If we consider their current performance in domestic competition, Liverpool looks to have a better chance to win. AC Milan performed badly in Serie A, maybe caused by a new coach and many new players as well. But when it is in UCL, sometimes a team can perform differently. However, I still favor Liverpool to win the match although it will be in AC Milan home. I assume the current game play of Liverpool looks move convincing to win any match, including in UCL match.

When Mbappe joined Real Madrid at the beginning of the season, everyone was so sure that they'd be off to a flying start. I know they did win the super cup but their recent performances have been nothing to write home about especially with the quality of squad they constantly field when they go up against any team.

The UCL is yet to start but I'm pretty sure Real Madrid will go very far this season unless they improve and the team can understood itself because there was a similar situation like this when PSH had Mbappe, Messi abd Neymar on their team. Everyone thought they'd win it that year for sure but it's not always as it seems and Real Madrid is just the signs already. My thesis is wrong only if the Don finds a way to get his team back to strong, consistent winning days.

If it turns out Atlanta win Liverpool I may not be very surprised but then I will believe  it's probably a lucky day for Atlanta, in champions league it's usually a very different spirit altogether because they know how prestigious the trophy is, Liverpool is a much very and experienced team in the champions league than Atlanta and this has been the reason Liverpool has been seen as the favourite. Atlanta have a sound confidence currently dues to the fact that they win the Europa and even this season they are starting on a good start but then champions league is really different.

The season will be more much better for Liverpool because nothing good pass make a team get a better coach and as for the Liverpool now their have new coach, I think their performances will be differences from the last seasons, because this coach will not want what will make people challenging the teams in this period so this is right time to keep his team so standard: so that the Liverpool will be among of the best teams this season in the champions league, honestly every team are always strong in their own home I think Liverpool can even make uses of that advantage to perform well to avoid disappointment.

I can’t recall of recent when Atalanta played in the champions league, they could see a different game this time around in my opinion. They have been playing a great game since from the days of their performance in the Europa League that game them the championship there last season. Having an automatic promotion to the champions league was something worthy for them because they earned it with their exceptional performance in the Europa league.

They may be facing bigger clubs in the champions league and the rhyme of the league will be different this time around if they don’t put that same energy they did the last time that gave them a lot of chances to go far in the Europa league last season. Champions league requires more and if they don’t give as much as expected, they’ll definitely not go far in the champions league and will be eliminated early.

Rumors of Paulo Fonseca dismissal seem unlikely to happen in the near future. Milan management has entrusted everything to the coach and that means Milan is still giving Paulo Fonseca a chance for at least 1 season. And if this season still has poor performance, maybe at the end of the season Paulo Fonseca could be fired. But I'm sure this is just a bad start for Milan and I also believe Milan will soon rise. And regarding the problem of playing against Liverpool, I will still support Liverpool who are currently much more qualified in terms of the depth of their squad. Still, Milan cannot be underestimated.

Liverpool are still sharp and strong despite the fact that their focus might be on the premier league, I think they would still give their best towards the winning of the champions league which they are very capable of and I know with the way they started their season they can do something to surprise most of the big teams in champions league like real Madrid who have been struggling of lately.

No not necessarily. I don't know if this applies to all bookmakers, but I have once talked to somebody who is quite deeply involved with the industry and he told me that bookmakers balance out the odds depending on the amount of money being bet on a certain outcome. If Liverpool is at 1.90 and say Milan at 3.90 and a lot of people place money on Liverpool, then the odds go down with more and more money being placed on that outcome. It makes a lot of sense to me as that is one mechanism that bookmakers can algorithmically create an edge for themselves, hedging their outcomes against each other by adjusting the odds at least slightly so to say. I think minor movements in the odds are more a sign of these rebalancing processes.

If there are fundamental changes in the odds, then I think it is more likely that something happened which the bookmakers then have priced into the odds. I currently see Liverpool at 1.88 and Milan at 3.85 and honestly speaking, although Liverpool had a decent start into the new season, this does by no means mean that they will easily destroy Milan away from home. The game still has to be played first, it is a new format, it is difficult to tell how everyone will adjust to it. In group stages it was not uncommon that underdogs caused the big teams some trouble because the big teams knew that they can just win their last four games and qualify (to put it simple). I am excited to see how intense these Champions "league" games will be.

Atalanta's not a typical Serie A powerhouse. They lack the vast pockets and rich histories. That doesnt mean they're not powerful. They've been steadily building something special in Bergamo, and their performances in recent European competitions speak for themselves.

Last season's Europa League: they demolished Liverpool, destroyed Leverkusen. People, that wasnt luck. In their lively and effective approach, Atalanta takes the game to anyone.

Now, the Champions League is different. Competition is stiff in the big leagues. I wouldnt rule out Atalanta. The manager Gasperini can outwit the greatest, and they have his tactical expertise. This team is hungry for success. They want to leave a mark, not just be there.

The fact that the odds are moving in favor of Milan is a bad sign (if you are going to bet on Liverpool), usually such a movement (even a small one) means that the bookmakers have "changed" their mind. I don't think Liverpool will aim for a 100% result in the Champions League group stage, as the Premier League remains their priority. It seems to me that even a coefficient of 2.0 here does not compensate for the risk.

If you look at the situation of the team now and see each other our logic is the same in talking about Atalanta, Atalanta had a bad match at the beginning of the season in Serie A with 2 defeats, the ability is not like last season which has a much better ability to get the UEL, while Liverpool is the opposite and yes we have doubts about Atalanta, even to pass the UCL very well because here the pressure is very different.

So Liverpool are doing quite well and I think Liverpool will be much better this season, Atalanta cannot be compared to Liverpool when it comes to UCL.

Liverpool's odds 1.93 now. Even though this is not a play-off, and it's an away game for them. But they should have won it to ensure they will be at the top 8 to get into the R16. I still consider this a very important match for them, and wish me luck to bet on Liverpool.

I doubt Liverpool would de-prioritize the UCL. They want to finish in the top 8, not 9th - 24th. Then, they could advance to the round of 16 without playing a 2-legged tie.