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September 06, 2024, 12:55:35 PM
The fact that the odds are moving in favor of Milan is a bad sign (if you are going to bet on Liverpool), usually such a movement (even a small one) means that the bookmakers have "changed" their mind. I don't think Liverpool will aim for a 100% result in the Champions League group stage, as the Premier League remains their priority. It seems to me that even a coefficient of 2.0 here does not compensate for the risk.

Liverpool are still sharp and strong despite the fact that their focus might be on the premier league, I think they would still give their best towards the winning of the champions league which they are very capable of and I know with the way they started their season they can do something to surprise most of the big teams in champions league like real Madrid who have been struggling of lately.

If I remember correctly, bookmakers rate Liverpool as 5-7 title contenders. Yes, luck may smile on them (if Real is eliminated before a personal meeting with Liverpool), but still, the strategy for the season is built around the national championship, since the Champions League is random. In any case, the group stage of the Champions League is not the stage where clubs play at full strength or show their cards.
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September 06, 2024, 12:54:26 PM
When Mbappe joined Real Madrid at the beginning of the season, everyone was so sure that they'd be off to a flying start. I know they did win the super cup but their recent performances have been nothing to write home about especially with the quality of squad they constantly field when they go up against any team.

The UCL is yet to start but I'm pretty sure Real Madrid will go very far this season unless they improve and the team can understood itself because there was a similar situation like this when PSH had Mbappe, Messi abd Neymar on their team. Everyone thought they'd win it that year for sure but it's not always as it seems and Real Madrid is just the signs already. My thesis is wrong only if the Don finds a way to get his team back to strong, consistent winning days.
I dont compare La Liga to UCL competition when it comes to Real Madrid. They are one team I can vouch for, and you can't see them perform badly when they are playing in the UCL. Sometimes they can be wavering in La Liga but these players are experienced in the Champions League with so much belief that they can win. Let's see how it goes it will take a little time for the team and everyone to create a bond with each other based on the recent adjustment. However, their squad is still the best currently in football. Hopefully, they will win the La Liga and Champions League again. I strongly believed in them and I have placed a bet on them as my favorite team to win the both competition.
Statistics say that Real Madrid is the best club in its consistency in the Champions League and also in La Liga, it can be seen from the number of times they can win the Champions League title and their consistent performance in La Liga. So with that I say that they are indeed the best club in the domestic league and in European competitions. This season they are also the favorites to win the Champions League again although that does not fully guarantee that they can do it again, because the competition in the Champions League is very tight. Moreover, they have not yet found their best game in La Liga, it's just that the Champions League has not started yet, therefore they still have enough time to fix it.
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September 06, 2024, 12:11:26 PM
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Anyway, Atalanta must minimize defeats if they intend to survive and also because the intensity of their training must be increased from now on.
Don't underestimate Atalanta, if you see their path they are a very tough team to face. The match against Real Madrid was mentioned, but just look at how he did in the Europa League.
They weren't all bad opponents and so in my opinion he has the chance to do very well. Of course I don't think he'll reach the semi-finals
The Europa League is different again from the Champions League especially now with the new format I think it will be even tighter while we know Atalanta so far in Serie A are still bad they lost to Inter Milan badly and lost again to Torino.

Not underestimating Atalanta but the reality is it will be more difficult but I see the fixture with Arsenal will be more complicated than before with Leverkusen during the Europa League final.
So far there are no big expectations from Atalanta, considering some of the teams they sold of course the squad now will be different from before, but I want to see the action to see how far Atalanta go in the Champions League.
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September 06, 2024, 11:50:09 AM
It was actually a bit surprising when Madrid started their campaign this season with an unstable performance, because Ancelotti has the ideal squad depth. However, sometimes not all plans can run smoothly as expected, because everything takes time to process, I think this condition is very natural, and I also assume that Ancelotti squad will soon recover and go through this phase with ease. Madrid is used to going through every pressure in every season, and Ancelotti has a wealth of experience to guide his troops back on track.

If Ancelotti finds his squad back in good condition, I believe Madrid can perform consistently in the future in various competitions. Currently, at least 7 Madrid players are injured, with varying recovery times. But once again, Ancelotti has a number of rotation options that are almost as good, so there is no excessive worry about them. In addition, Mbappe has shown signs of being on fire, chemistry with other players is starting to form, and I predict that the former PSG striker can have a significant influence on Madrid goal productivity this season.

Madrid has always been able to overcome pressure in the competition, they are truly extraordinary. but it must be admitted that Madrid this time will face quite difficult teams too. Madrid must be able to beat Stuttgart, Lille, Dortmund, Milan, Liverpool, Atalanta, Salzburg, and Brest.
This is a not-so-good first round for them, but a more interesting system when bringing together strong teams at the beginning without worrying about them being eliminated early. but I'm sure Ancelotti also has to work extra hard to prepare his players. I hope some of the injured will recover soon and succeed in supporting the team. because with the density of matches of course the strategy of rotating players will be very important. and strong teams like Madrid are certainly more favored.
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September 06, 2024, 11:49:06 AM
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Anyway, Atalanta must minimize defeats if they intend to survive and also because the intensity of their training must be increased from now on.

Don't underestimate Atalanta, if you see their path they are a very tough team to face. The match against Real Madrid was mentioned, but just look at how he did in the Europa League.
They weren't all bad opponents and so in my opinion he has the chance to do very well. Of course I don't think he'll reach the semi-finals
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September 06, 2024, 11:24:28 AM
If it turns out Atlanta win Liverpool I may not be very surprised but then I will believe  it's probably a lucky day for Atlanta, in champions league it's usually a very different spirit altogether because they know how prestigious the trophy is, Liverpool is a much very and experienced team in the champions league than Atlanta and this has been the reason Liverpool has been seen as the favourite. Atlanta have a sound confidence currently dues to the fact that they win the Europa and even this season they are starting on a good start but then champions league is really different.
The incident occurred last season, it must be admitted, Atalanta performed very well last season especially when playing in the Europa League. I don't think the victory over Liverpool was just luck because in the final they also managed to beat Leverkusen and became the only team that was able to beat Xabi Alonso's team.
Now that we have entered a new season, usually the team will experience a decline in performance or vice versa, but what is happening to Atalanta now is no longer the same as last season, their performance is starting to decline and it is predicted that they will have difficulties in the Champions League. Although Atalanta came to the Champions League as winners of the Europa League last season, this achievement was not enough to compete with other strong teams, especially since their experience in this major competition is still very minimal.
Atalanta was in a good form last season and that was why they were able to beat Liverpool and Leverkusen in finals to win the cup. The club sold some of their players and that affected the team performance. It is a shock to see how a strong team became so weak without playing matches. It seems that Italy teams can be very strong today and become vegetables tomorrow. This was what happened to Napoli too last season.
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September 06, 2024, 11:18:11 AM
If it turns out Atlanta win Liverpool I may not be very surprised but then I will believe  it's probably a lucky day for Atlanta, in champions league it's usually a very different spirit altogether because they know how prestigious the trophy is, Liverpool is a much very and experienced team in the champions league than Atlanta and this has been the reason Liverpool has been seen as the favourite. Atlanta have a sound confidence currently dues to the fact that they win the Europa and even this season they are starting on a good start but then champions league is really different.
The incident occurred last season, it must be admitted, Atalanta performed very well last season especially when playing in the Europa League. I don't think the victory over Liverpool was just luck because in the final they also managed to beat Leverkusen and became the only team that was able to beat Xabi Alonso's team.
Now that we have entered a new season, usually the team will experience a decline in performance or vice versa, but what is happening to Atalanta now is no longer the same as last season, their performance is starting to decline and it is predicted that they will have difficulties in the Champions League. Although Atalanta came to the Champions League as winners of the Europa League last season, this achievement was not enough to compete with other strong teams, especially since their experience in this major competition is still very minimal.
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September 06, 2024, 11:08:15 AM
Real Madrid may not be in a good mood right now. Their performance is somewhat erratic. However, this group will return to the truck very quickly. And they have this ability. Real Madrid's squad is strong. In attack there are two star players like Mbappe and Vini. Bellingham is there to stabilize the midfield. Every player in Madrid's squad is talented. And the bonding between the players is also very strong.

Ancelotti is an experienced coach. He has already identified the weaknesses in Madrid's squad. Bellingham is also likely to return to the squad ahead of the Champions League match. So I think Madrid's performance will stabilize before the start of the Champions League. Real Madrid are the favorites for the Champions League and La Liga this season as well.
It was actually a bit surprising when Madrid started their campaign this season with an unstable performance, because Ancelotti has the ideal squad depth. However, sometimes not all plans can run smoothly as expected, because everything takes time to process, I think this condition is very natural, and I also assume that Ancelotti squad will soon recover and go through this phase with ease. Madrid is used to going through every pressure in every season, and Ancelotti has a wealth of experience to guide his troops back on track.

If Ancelotti finds his squad back in good condition, I believe Madrid can perform consistently in the future in various competitions. Currently, at least 7 Madrid players are injured, with varying recovery times. But once again, Ancelotti has a number of rotation options that are almost as good, so there is no excessive worry about them. In addition, Mbappe has shown signs of being on fire, chemistry with other players is starting to form, and I predict that the former PSG striker can have a significant influence on Madrid goal productivity this season.
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September 06, 2024, 07:04:24 AM
When Mbappe joined Real Madrid at the beginning of the season, everyone was so sure that they'd be off to a flying start. I know they did win the super cup but their recent performances have been nothing to write home about especially with the quality of squad they constantly field when they go up against any team.

The UCL is yet to start but I'm pretty sure Real Madrid will go very far this season unless they improve and the team can understood itself because there was a similar situation like this when PSH had Mbappe, Messi abd Neymar on their team. Everyone thought they'd win it that year for sure but it's not always as it seems and Real Madrid is just the signs already. My thesis is wrong only if the Don finds a way to get his team back to strong, consistent winning days.
I dont compare La Liga to UCL competition when it comes to Real Madrid. They are one team I can vouch for, and you can't see them perform badly when they are playing in the UCL. Sometimes they can be wavering in La Liga but these players are experienced in the Champions League with so much belief that they can win. Let's see how it goes it will take a little time for the team and everyone to create a bond with each other based on the recent adjustment. However, their squad is still the best currently in football. Hopefully, they will win the La Liga and Champions League again. I strongly believed in them and I have placed a bet on them as my favorite team to win the both competition.

Real Madrid may not be in a good mood right now. Their performance is somewhat erratic. However, this group will return to the truck very quickly. And they have this ability. Real Madrid's squad is strong. In attack there are two star players like Mbappe and Vini. Bellingham is there to stabilize the midfield. Every player in Madrid's squad is talented. And the bonding between the players is also very strong.

Ancelotti is an experienced coach. He has already identified the weaknesses in Madrid's squad. Bellingham is also likely to return to the squad ahead of the Champions League match. So I think Madrid's performance will stabilize before the start of the Champions League. Real Madrid are the favorites for the Champions League and La Liga this season as well.
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September 06, 2024, 06:53:55 AM
When Mbappe joined Real Madrid at the beginning of the season, everyone was so sure that they'd be off to a flying start. I know they did win the super cup but their recent performances have been nothing to write home about especially with the quality of squad they constantly field when they go up against any team.

The UCL is yet to start but I'm pretty sure Real Madrid will go very far this season unless they improve and the team can understood itself because there was a similar situation like this when PSH had Mbappe, Messi abd Neymar on their team. Everyone thought they'd win it that year for sure but it's not always as it seems and Real Madrid is just the signs already. My thesis is wrong only if the Don finds a way to get his team back to strong, consistent winning days.
I dont compare La Liga to UCL competition when it comes to Real Madrid. They are one team I can vouch for, and you can't see them perform badly when they are playing in the UCL. Sometimes they can be wavering in La Liga but these players are experienced in the Champions League with so much belief that they can win. Let's see how it goes it will take a little time for the team and everyone to create a bond with each other based on the recent adjustment. However, their squad is still the best currently in football. Hopefully, they will win the La Liga and Champions League again. I strongly believed in them and I have placed a bet on them as my favorite team to win the both competition.
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September 06, 2024, 06:06:32 AM
When Mbappe joined Real Madrid at the beginning of the season, everyone was so sure that they'd be off to a flying start. I know they did win the super cup but their recent performances have been nothing to write home about especially with the quality of squad they constantly field when they go up against any team.

The UCL is yet to start but I'm pretty sure Real Madrid will go very far this season unless they improve and the team can understood itself because there was a similar situation like this when PSH had Mbappe, Messi abd Neymar on their team. Everyone thought they'd win it that year for sure but it's not always as it seems and Real Madrid is just the signs already. My thesis is wrong only if the Don finds a way to get his team back to strong, consistent winning days.
Mbappe's move to Real Madrid was the biggest story of the summer. Everyone expected fireworks from day one. Still, even the finest players require time to adjust. Mbappe is human as well as a generational gift. The Euro helped him to have a brief preseason. He is learning new colleagues and a new system. Two goals in La Liga already? That is a really excellent beginning

Beware the new UCL format. More games, less rest. That will try every club, including Real Madrid. But that's where Mbappe's gonna shine. He's a big-game player. He thrives under pressure. It is far too early to dismiss him. This child will shatter records and take awards. Just give him some time. When most important, Mbappe will deliver
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September 06, 2024, 05:35:53 AM
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Though I'm not a fan of Premier league that much but I could see some change In Liverpool at the moment and the fact they've won 3 games consecutive is a good sign of change besides that also placed them at the second position on the table...
This is surely a good specu. for Atalanta  vs  Liverpool,though UCL might be different but I don't think Atalanta  can win Liverpool  with their current stats but nevertheless, I expect a good game from both sides Smiley

It can certainly be called a good start for Liverpool. They have won three of their first three matches, indicating that they will do well this season as well as their potential to do well in the Champions League. The teams that Liverpool have beaten are the better teams in the Premier League, especially Manchester United, and by a wide margin. Although Manchester United's recent performance is not very good but this defeat of Manchester United is at their home ground, it can be said that Liverpool are quite focused on their performance. Liverpool is a big team but they have achieved zero in the last few seasons. The team under the new manager will definitely try to do well this season and we expect the same.
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September 06, 2024, 03:12:41 AM
Though I'm not a fan of Premier league that much but I could see some change In Liverpool at the moment and the fact they've won 3 games consecutive is a good sign of change besides that also placed them at the second position on the table...
This is surely a good specu. for Atalanta  vs  Liverpool,though UCL might be different but I don't think Atalanta  can win Liverpool  with their current stats but nevertheless, I expect a good game from both sides Smiley
Yes there are some changes made by Liverpool management both in terms of finding coaches and looking for the players needed. But to see the appropriateness of playing in the Champions League may not be easy because of speaking competition that is quite competitive. Three matches with full points are a good step for the new coach and the last they managed to beat Man United with a promising score. If Liverpool succeeded in maintaining consistency as it is now then most likely they will be stronger.

Atalanta is not so strong when viewed from the quality of the players they have so that Liverpool should be much easier to get full points. But even so Atalanta cannot be underestimated because they could again give a surprise that is not predicted by anyone.

I, on the other hand, think that Atalanta are a rocky team and that they will give their opponents a lot of problems, let's say that they are not the last to arrive, they won the Europa League playing fantastic football and therefore for this very reason I say that they could do better even than liverpool!
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September 06, 2024, 03:04:12 AM
Though I'm not a fan of Premier league that much but I could see some change In Liverpool at the moment and the fact they've won 3 games consecutive is a good sign of change besides that also placed them at the second position on the table...
This is surely a good specu. for Atalanta  vs  Liverpool,though UCL might be different but I don't think Atalanta  can win Liverpool  with their current stats but nevertheless, I expect a good game from both sides Smiley
Yes there are some changes made by Liverpool management both in terms of finding coaches and looking for the players needed. But to see the appropriateness of playing in the Champions League may not be easy because of speaking competition that is quite competitive. Three matches with full points are a good step for the new coach and the last they managed to beat Man United with a promising score. If Liverpool succeeded in maintaining consistency as it is now then most likely they will be stronger.

Atalanta is not so strong when viewed from the quality of the players they have so that Liverpool should be much easier to get full points. But even so Atalanta cannot be underestimated because they could again give a surprise that is not predicted by anyone.
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September 06, 2024, 02:58:51 AM
Though I'm not a fan of Premier league that much but I could see some change In Liverpool at the moment and the fact they've won 3 games consecutive is a good sign of change besides that also placed them at the second position on the table...
This is surely a good specu. for Atalanta  vs  Liverpool,though UCL might be different but I don't think Atalanta  can win Liverpool  with their current stats but nevertheless, I expect a good game from both sides Smiley

This is definitely not the time to stick or point out clubs that will reach finals, there's more enchancing tasks to be completed and these mentioned elite clubs will have to surpassed their hurdles. We should simply get ready to enjoyed the big games coming upfront and relaxed our nerves for the perfect odds to utilized. Liverpool and Atalanta, they're clubs that are competent to fight and we've watched them clashed previous season, the English side was eliminated from the Europa League by the Italy side, a brave step for Seria A clubs.

The UEFA Champions League draws and new formats keeps most of the club's in tense momentum, most of them wouldn't be able to reach key phases in the UEFA based on the random oppositions they will faced. It takes only the best club to come out with brilliant performance and perfects scores. The English Premier League is mostly the entertaining league in the European football world. Watching the up and down performance of elite clubs and stumbling epic performance from the average clubs, it's quite amazing.
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September 06, 2024, 02:56:07 AM
I agree with you. UCL and UEL are on different levels. Atalanta were impressive in the Europa League and even managed to beat Liverpool who often play in the Champions League. But now Atalanta are really playing in the UCL. I am not sure Atalanta will be able to do the same as they did last season. All the top European clubs are in this competition. They will always be motivated to win the Champions League.
I also don't think Atalanta can beat Liverpool in Champions League this season if they meet again here and I have checked all the matches here but I didn't find any matches for both of these teams or did I miss it maybe because this season the format is different. But what you said is also quite logical that it is still not certain for Atalanta to repeat the victory if the team is faced with an opponent like Liverpool again in the current condition. Because Liverpool also have not been worse with their new coach this season and it has been proven in the early matches this season in the domestic league.


Look, he didn't have a bad game against Real Madrid, on the contrary. What would Liverpool have done against Real Madrid, they would certainly have lost anyway. I think they are very similar teams in terms of strength, I say Liverpool and Atalanta, in fact in my opinion it will be difficult to understand what to bet on.
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September 06, 2024, 02:49:01 AM
Atalanta's not a typical Serie A powerhouse. They lack the vast pockets and rich histories. That doesnt mean they're not powerful. They've been steadily building something special in Bergamo, and their performances in recent European competitions speak for themselves.

Last season's Europa League: they demolished Liverpool, destroyed Leverkusen. People, that wasnt luck. In their lively and effective approach, Atalanta takes the game to anyone.

Now, the Champions League is different. Competition is stiff in the big leagues. I wouldnt rule out Atalanta. The manager Gasperini can outwit the greatest, and they have his tactical expertise. This team is hungry for success. They want to leave a mark, not just be there.
Gasperini knows what he is doing, which is fine and he is a great manager but I am sure that there is absolutely no way that he will take this team to anywhere good in the UCL, it is just not possible when you look at financial point of view.

The greatest achievement they could ever hope for would be last sixteen, which I do not think that they have what it takes to do but even in that case I am sure that they will end up losing, unless they get a very very lucky draw. They did the best they could hope for, win the Europa league, they are at that level and being the best of the level you are in is the reward in itself, plus they made so much money by just being in the UCL and playing games here, so that's a good thing for the future as well.
I agree considering Atalanta's opponents in the league phase are not entirely easy, especially from the 8 matches later they have to face 3 strong teams such as Arsenal, Real Madrid, and Barcelona. Honestly if they have a good mentality, they should be able to stop any opponent no matter how strong but unfortunately for now that is not available.

The rest they can only hope for hard work and luck and if that happens then it is not impossible that they can become a surprising team. The round of 16 is an obligation for any team and I think if they can repeat the success like in the Europa League last season then it could be an extraordinary repetition in a different competition and it must be admitted here that Gesperini is a good coach with the depth he has can conjure it well.

Anyway, Atalanta must minimize defeats if they intend to survive and also because the intensity of their training must be increased from now on.
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September 06, 2024, 12:49:53 AM
Atalanta's not a typical Serie A powerhouse. They lack the vast pockets and rich histories. That doesnt mean they're not powerful. They've been steadily building something special in Bergamo, and their performances in recent European competitions speak for themselves.

Last season's Europa League: they demolished Liverpool, destroyed Leverkusen. People, that wasnt luck. In their lively and effective approach, Atalanta takes the game to anyone.

Now, the Champions League is different. Competition is stiff in the big leagues. I wouldnt rule out Atalanta. The manager Gasperini can outwit the greatest, and they have his tactical expertise. This team is hungry for success. They want to leave a mark, not just be there.
Gasperini knows what he is doing, which is fine and he is a great manager but I am sure that there is absolutely no way that he will take this team to anywhere good in the UCL, it is just not possible when you look at financial point of view.

The greatest achievement they could ever hope for would be last sixteen, which I do not think that they have what it takes to do but even in that case I am sure that they will end up losing, unless they get a very very lucky draw. They did the best they could hope for, win the Europa league, they are at that level and being the best of the level you are in is the reward in itself, plus they made so much money by just being in the UCL and playing games here, so that's a good thing for the future as well.
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September 06, 2024, 12:42:16 AM
When Mbappe joined Real Madrid at the beginning of the season, everyone was so sure that they'd be off to a flying start. I know they did win the super cup but their recent performances have been nothing to write home about especially with the quality of squad they constantly field when they go up against any team.
The Euro 2024 cost a lot of available time for training in pre-season preparation from Mbappe and the lack of time for adaptation actually affects Mbappe performances in early matches for Real Madrid. He is a very good player and after scoring first two goals for Real Madrid in La Liga, maybe Mbappe already reduced a lot of pressure and will be able to play better in upcoming matches.

It means people's predictions have gone wrong for Mbappe. They expected big things from him. But his poor performances in the last games proved the squad doesn't really need him.
It is too soon to say about failure of Mbappe in Real Madrid and we can discuss about it when the season ends and see whether he wins any or many titles with them. Assess his performance for Real Madrid in this season will be more accurate when he already plays many matches or best completes this season for Real Madrid.

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It's hard to guess how far Real Madrid will go in the new format of UCL. The group stage is gonna end in January, which is a very long way to go for them. And they have no lots of quality subs. The wave of injuries will always be threatening them as well.
Many of us are unsure and don't fully understand a new format of UCL. It will be challenging for big clubs like Real Madrid too because it destroys their normal schedules for a season. Now with more matches from Champions League, their star players will have more risk of exhaustion then injuries.
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September 06, 2024, 12:20:52 AM
When Mbappe joined Real Madrid at the beginning of the season, everyone was so sure that they'd be off to a flying start. I know they did win the super cup but their recent performances have been nothing to write home about especially with the quality of squad they constantly field when they go up against any team.
It means people's predictions have gone wrong for Mbappe. They expected big things from him. But his poor performances in the last games proved the squad doesn't really need him.

Real Madrid won the Super Cup, but this season is not about the Super Cup only. Also, this season is going to be longer as they shall play longer than last season following the new format of UCL.

The UCL is yet to start but I'm pretty sure Real Madrid will go very far this season unless they improve and the team can understood itself because there was a similar situation like this when PSH had Mbappe, Messi abd Neymar on their team. Everyone thought they'd win it that year for sure but it's not always as it seems and Real Madrid is just the signs already. My thesis is wrong only if the Don finds a way to get his team back to strong, consistent winning days.
It's hard to guess how far Real Madrid will go in the new format of UCL. The group stage is gonna end in January, which is a very long way to go for them. And they have no lots of quality subs. The wave of injuries will always be threatening them as well.
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