UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread - page 450.

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Quote from: joker_josue on February 11, 2022, 01:24:30 PM

Quote from: tyz on February 11, 2022, 01:14:20 PM

Ronaldo still has the quality to make the difference. However, he is also a problem for his teams, as the tactics and style of play have to be heavily tuned to him in order for him to shine, and that is not necessarily the best tactic for the team. You noticed that at Juventus and you're noticing it now at ManU. I think the team would be better overall if Ronaldo wasn't part of the team.

How can Ronaldo be considered a problem in the squad? When a team has a player like Ronaldo, it is up to the coach to design the best strategy, so that the set can work correctly. So the problem at Juventus and now at Man United is not Ronaldo, but the lack of a technical team capable of putting together a team that knows how to play with Ronaldo.

When a team has a player like Cristiano Ronaldo in its composition, it's still not a problem, but rather an additional trump card that needs to be used. But if such a trump card cannot be used, then this is really a problem Wink

But the problem is not Ronaldo, but the problem of the level of the team and the skill of the head coach of the team. By the way, Ronaldo does not appear in all Manchester United matches this season and not always from the very beginning of the match and it cannot be said that he looks better at the same time. Therefore, to say that Manchester United would be better without Ronaldo is not entirely correct. It is more correct to say that Manchester United could be both better and worse without Ronaldo Wink

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What also interests me is the Man United match. They drew against Atletico Madrid, certainly not a bad draw. I think United are the favorites in this 2-game game, especially since Ronaldo is now in the squad. Atletico are not to be underestimated. That will be Suarez vs Ronaldo, always fun. And oh yes, Griezman too, but I rate him a little less highly.

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Quote from: Silberman on February 11, 2022, 05:55:53 PM

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Quote from: kro55 on February 11, 2022, 12:26:57 PM

Real Madrid's most important player Benzema is still injured. It is unknown at this time what he will do after leaving the post.

Is he not yet confirmed whether will play or not? I can't remember what I have seen in the newspaper today; it was somewhat green AFAIK. He is likely to be missing the match against Villareal but will be playing the UCL. That's what I have read if I can remember correctly. Nevertheless, as I said above, though RMA will be missing Benzema if he doesn't play, still it will be a good day for Madrid; not for PSG Cheesy

The last time I checked it seems that he has not been completely ruled out or cleared to play the game yet, however if he does no play then who will Ancelotti play in his place? Luka Jovic seems like the natural replacement to play in the absence of Benzema, however another option could be to play Isco instead, still Real Madrid has so many good players that even if the absence of Benzema will hit them it will not be as bad as to decide the game in favor of PSG.

No matter how many good players that are available to play for real Madrid against psg, if Benzema is not available the impact will be feel. Benzema is we known by Madrid and Madrid well known by Benzema. Let us just hope he will be fit, but if he is not fit till that time, Isco should come in for him to be the play maker and vanicious jnr will do the magical finishing. Madrid as a club knows how to play champions league. I trust them.

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Quote from: coderben on February 11, 2022, 05:12:32 PM

There is another great match is waiting for us one day after the PSG - Real Madrid match. Inter have a home match against Liverpool. This can be a really close match as it is in Giuseppe Meazza. If it was in Anfield, I wouldn't say the same thing because Liverpool would take control of it and wouldn't give it to Inter in any half. Hence, this might be Inter's biggest chance. If they win, we can count them as advantageous. But if they draw with Liverpool or lose, then they would most likely say goodbye to the CL.

I expect the unexpected, Real madrid... the one who being underestimated in this match all the time due the fact their recent matches are a bit fucked up .. to silent the psg supporter , and for the inter vs liverpool as well, pretty clear that the bookies put liverpool as the favorite to win but i think the inter quick counter might will create a lot of trouble in liverpool defence.

Real madrid to win @3.62 pretty worth to bet as well as inter milan to win @3.55.

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Quote from: Silberman on February 11, 2022, 05:55:53 PM

Quote from: RapTarX on February 11, 2022, 12:35:31 PM

Quote from: kro55 on February 11, 2022, 12:26:57 PM

Real Madrid's most important player Benzema is still injured. It is unknown at this time what he will do after leaving the post.

Is he not yet confirmed whether will play or not? I can't remember what I have seen in the newspaper today; it was somewhat green AFAIK. He is likely to be missing the match against Villareal but will be playing the UCL. That's what I have read if I can remember correctly. Nevertheless, as I said above, though RMA will be missing Benzema if he doesn't play, still it will be a good day for Madrid; not for PSG Cheesy

The last time I checked it seems that he has not been completely ruled out or cleared to play the game yet, however if he does no play then who will Ancelotti play in his place? Luka Jovic seems like the natural replacement to play in the absence of Benzema, however another option could be to play Isco instead, still Real Madrid has so many good players that even if the absence of Benzema will hit them it will not be as bad as to decide the game in favor of PSG.

Real Madrid is very good, especially Modric has become a real star. A few years ago also voted world football player of the year. Still, they really need Benzema to score the goals, they have more strikers like Vinicius but Benzema seems to be more of a goal-getter. They will need him badly against PSG. I'm really looking forward to that game next week.

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Quote from: RapTarX on February 11, 2022, 12:35:31 PM

Quote from: kro55 on February 11, 2022, 12:26:57 PM

Real Madrid's most important player Benzema is still injured. It is unknown at this time what he will do after leaving the post.

Is he not yet confirmed whether will play or not? I can't remember what I have seen in the newspaper today; it was somewhat green AFAIK. He is likely to be missing the match against Villareal but will be playing the UCL. That's what I have read if I can remember correctly. Nevertheless, as I said above, though RMA will be missing Benzema if he doesn't play, still it will be a good day for Madrid; not for PSG Cheesy

The last time I checked it seems that he has not been completely ruled out or cleared to play the game yet, however if he does no play then who will Ancelotti play in his place? Luka Jovic seems like the natural replacement to play in the absence of Benzema, however another option could be to play Isco instead, still Real Madrid has so many good players that even if the absence of Benzema will hit them it will not be as bad as to decide the game in favor of PSG.

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There is another great match is waiting for us one day after the PSG - Real Madrid match. Inter have a home match against Liverpool. This can be a really close match as it is in Giuseppe Meazza. If it was in Anfield, I wouldn't say the same thing because Liverpool would take control of it and wouldn't give it to Inter in any half. Hence, this might be Inter's biggest chance. If they win, we can count them as advantageous. But if they draw with Liverpool or lose, then they would most likely say goodbye to the CL.

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Quote from: DU18 on February 10, 2022, 06:10:56 PM

Many people still believe with Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo are best player in the world right now and they not memorize how old age for both player, looking on statistic between Messi and Ronaldo I think not really potential as best player for this season. But we need waiting with Manchester United and PSG how far they can talk in champion league on this season. Can Ronaldo make United pass to final and Messi can give champion league first trophy for PSG? still have one week later for Manchester United against Villareal and PSG will get difficult faced with Real Madrid on champion league knock out.

As much as Ronaldo and Messi fans would argue that the pair are still on top of their game, it's not hard to see that they have passed their peaks and their performances from the last 2-3 seasons have been diminishing. Between Man Utd and PSG, only PSG has the best chance to make it to the finals - judging from Man Utd recent PL results, it's a good thing they have a pretty easy team compared to PSG that are up against Madrid.

I dont think Man Utd even with Ronaldo they wont even reach the quarter finals with how bad they are playing ,they dont stand a chance against any team currently. Messi’s PSG is a superstar team but they dont play like a team and thats why i dont see them winning the champions league. Main favorites are Bayern Munich and Man City and as a surprise team i would choose Ajax.

Previously I was thinking the same as you, but seeing and remembering that CR7 is a person who does not admit failures, I would not trust at all that they will give everything away and give themselves away, on the other hand I see that Bayern Munich has become very strong and really I see them as the main candidate to win, just as I would not underestimate Messi and his PSG since at any moment they could give a big surprise, in this case we could say that AJAX would be a pleasant surprise if they could win.

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Quote from: RapTarX on February 11, 2022, 12:35:31 PM

Quote from: kro55 on February 11, 2022, 12:26:57 PM

Real Madrid's most important player Benzema is still injured. It is unknown at this time what he will do after leaving the post.

Is he not yet confirmed whether will play or not? I can't remember what I have seen in the newspaper today; it was somewhat green AFAIK. He is likely to be missing the match against Villareal but will be playing the UCL. That's what I have read if I can remember correctly. Nevertheless, as I said above, though RMA will be missing Benzema if he doesn't play, still it will be a good day for Madrid; not for PSG Cheesy

From the looks of it, the matches will indeed be very difficult and interesting for the spectators, I don't know what to say about that. In principle PSG has a full squad and nobody is injured (or is there? Maybe I'm wrong), so believe me, for Real it will be no less difficult match, I still think that PSG will win, I do not know, I really believe in it

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Quote from: DU18 on February 10, 2022, 06:10:56 PM

Quote from: izsara on February 10, 2022, 02:09:31 PM

agree with what you said, his era is not over but indeed the top European leagues are now quite tough so indeed he can't have high hopes for him now even though his performances are still quite good.
On the other hand, I still believe I am also quite pessimistic that they can reach the quarter-finals at UCL because their current performance is getting worse and worse.

Many people still believe with Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo are best player in the world right now and they not memorize how old age for both player, looking on statistic between Messi and Ronaldo I think not really potential as best player for this season. But we need waiting with Manchester United and PSG how far they can talk in champion league on this season. Can Ronaldo make United pass to final and Messi can give champion league first trophy for PSG? still have one week later for Manchester United against Villareal and PSG will get difficult faced with Real Madrid on champion league knock out.

I don't really know specifically how to judge what the best players are, but judging from their age, they are already starting to experience a decline in both Performance and Productivity.
As for the opinions of people who say that they are the best players, they are actually quite reasonable because in the last few years apart from their turbulent rivalry, they are also the two players who are hailed the most by football fans. fun if not to discuss these two players in it.
I rectify a little that Manchester United are fighting now that it is Atletico not Villarreal and indeed this will be good enough evidence whether Ronaldo's magic will still work for Atletico.
For PSG itself I will not be sure that far and maybe even fall in the phase against madrid later

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Quote from: nelson4lov on February 10, 2022, 06:25:50 PM

Quote from: DU18 on February 10, 2022, 06:10:56 PM

Many people still believe with Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo are best player in the world right now and they not memorize how old age for both player, looking on statistic between Messi and Ronaldo I think not really potential as best player for this season. But we need waiting with Manchester United and PSG how far they can talk in champion league on this season. Can Ronaldo make United pass to final and Messi can give champion league first trophy for PSG? still have one week later for Manchester United against Villareal and PSG will get difficult faced with Real Madrid on champion league knock out.

As much as Ronaldo and Messi fans would argue that the pair are still on top of their game, it's not hard to see that they have passed their peaks and their performances from the last 2-3 seasons have been diminishing. Between Man Utd and PSG, only PSG has the best chance to make it to the finals - judging from Man Utd recent PL results, it's a good thing they have a pretty easy team compared to PSG that are up against Madrid.

As it stands, no team is easy for Manchester united and talking about Atletico Madrid they are never an easy team, when it comes to the champions league there is no small or big team, any team can win. Over the years PSG with all the money and quality players they have have been eliminated by teams that have spent less. And if you look at things right Manchester united are no different from Atletico Madrid. So I will pick Atletico Madrid to advance to the next round over Manchester united. We all know C. Ronaldo is a goal scorer and he is still a good player but he is just in the wrong club with a manager that has no clue about what he is doing and what he is fighting for.

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Quote from: tyz on February 11, 2022, 01:14:20 PM

Ronaldo still has the quality to make the difference. However, he is also a problem for his teams, as the tactics and style of play have to be heavily tuned to him in order for him to shine, and that is not necessarily the best tactic for the team. You noticed that at Juventus and you're noticing it now at ManU. I think the team would be better overall if Ronaldo wasn't part of the team.

How can Ronaldo be considered a problem in the squad?
When a team has a player like Ronaldo, it is up to the coach to design the best strategy, so that the set can work correctly.

So the problem at Juventus and now at Man United is not Ronaldo, but the lack of a technical team capable of putting together a team that knows how to play with Ronaldo.

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Quote from: qory on February 10, 2022, 06:28:53 PM

Ronaldo may not be the best player anymore, but he is still very valuable. Mbappe is basically much better, faster, and more technical. But Ronaldo has much more experience and has his status with him. At the decisive moments he really put a lot of balls in it. Mbappe has yet to show it all. he has not yet succeeded in that at PSG in the CL.

Ronaldo still has the quality to make the difference. However, he is also a problem for his teams, as the tactics and style of play have to be heavily tuned to him in order for him to shine, and that is not necessarily the best tactic for the team. You noticed that at Juventus and you're noticing it now at ManU. I think the team would be better overall if Ronaldo wasn't part of the team.

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Quote from: Turbolinea on February 11, 2022, 12:36:03 PM

It is really exciting that last 32 round in the Champions League is starting in only four days. And we are having a start with the most attention getting match which is PSG - Real Madrid. This is absolutely the most waited match and it is really difficult to make the right prediction for this one. Everything can happen in this match for real. The most probable thing seems to me that both teams would be able to score at least one goal. And maybe PSG could win like 2-1 or 3-2.

That really is the highlight of all the matches that will happen in the first round of the play-offs for sure and a lot of people are looking forward to it. I also think that the outcome of this match is extremely hard to predict because everything is possible here. For me it all depends on PSG if we will see a close match or not, because i am almost sure that Real Madrid will come pretty close to their peak performance in this match. Paris had a lot of bad matches this year in my opinion and i don't think that they are stronger than last year even though they signed messi. I also think though that the starts of PSG will be extremely motivated in this upcoming match.

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Quote from: Turbolinea on February 11, 2022, 12:36:03 PM

It is really exciting that last 32 round in the Champions League is starting in only four days. And we are having a start with the most attention getting match which is PSG - Real Madrid. This is absolutely the most waited match and it is really difficult to make the right prediction for this one. Everything can happen in this match for real. The most probable thing seems to me that both teams would be able to score at least one goal. And maybe PSG could win like 2-1 or 3-2.

This match is the hardest to guess. On one side are the PSG, almost all the star players in their squad, and everyone is very talented. But as a team they are not yet stable. Their performance is quite irregular yet. The star players at Real Madrid, on the other hand, may be less than the PSG, but as a team they are very stable. The Real Madrid team is definitely ahead when it comes to stratgy. But I also think PSG will win the first match.

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It is really exciting that last 32 round in the Champions League is starting in only four days. And we are having a start with the most attention getting match which is PSG - Real Madrid. This is absolutely the most waited match and it is really difficult to make the right prediction for this one. Everything can happen in this match for real. The most probable thing seems to me that both teams would be able to score at least one goal. And maybe PSG could win like 2-1 or 3-2.

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Quote from: kro55 on February 11, 2022, 12:26:57 PM

Real Madrid's most important player Benzema is still injured. It is unknown at this time what he will do after leaving the post.

Is he not yet confirmed whether will play or not? I can't remember what I have seen in the newspaper today; it was somewhat green AFAIK. He is likely to be missing the match against Villareal but will be playing the UCL. That's what I have read if I can remember correctly. Nevertheless, as I said above, though RMA will be missing Benzema if he doesn't play, still it will be a good day for Madrid; not for PSG Cheesy

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Quote from: Mr.Scott on February 11, 2022, 12:06:41 PM

All of Messi, Neymar and Mbappe will be available against Real Madrid. Does Real Madrid is in danger? PSG's trio are going to keep another clean sheet? Real Madrid have Benzema, Vinicius and Hazard with world-class midfield. Benzema and Vinicius alone has scored more goals than them all combined in this season all competitions, just be humble kiddos. It's very true they suffered against Man City. Let's see on 15th February.

The trio of Messi, Neymar and Mbappe will try their best to play well in this match. As we have seen in Barcelona, the chemistry between Messi and Neymar is excellent. So again against Real Madrid I want to see better performances from these two players. At the same time Ramos will play against Real Madrid in this match. Ramos is well aware of the weaknesses at Real Madrid. So in this match I will definitely keep the PSG team ahead.
Real Madrid's most important player Benzema is still injured. It is unknown at this time what he will do after leaving the post.

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Quote from: DU18 on February 11, 2022, 10:59:22 AM

I know on the field played by 11 player but with Manchester United right now have different games style and looks focus when attacking counter for Ronaldo as scoring goal, maybe Manchester United need to change game play who ever have bigger chance to score can make goal without have to focus as cristiano ronaldo always for scoring goal. Maybe Manchester United need try playing without have Ronaldo as starting eleven team and use Cavani as target men.

Manchester United recently played Burnley and this was exactly the scheme used - Ronaldo came on as a substitute only in the 70th minute. Did it change anything in Manchester's game? No, in a rather simple match against the worst club in the league, Manchester United lose points by playing in a draw. I don't know how Manchester should overcome the crisis but I'm sure it's not about the team focusing on one player.

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All of Messi, Neymar and Mbappe will be available against Real Madrid. Does Real Madrid is in danger? PSG's trio are going to keep another clean sheet? Real Madrid have Benzema, Vinicius and Hazard with world-class midfield. Benzema and Vinicius alone has scored more goals than them all combined in this season all competitions, just be humble kiddos. It's very true they suffered against Man City. Let's see on 15th February.

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