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Quote from: laurenB7742 on February 11, 2022, 09:55:51 AM

I don't understand if anything goes wrong in a team the problem is the coach, I know that people like to assume things a lot but I think the situation of Manchester United is like these because they have some problems in their midfield.

I am not saying that they don't have good players think of it filled but the problem is that players don't have any chemistry between them and that is why they are not being able to make the correct plays or any plays in fact.

The coach can also be the cause because he can't make a better squad sometimes with a lack of chemistry because some players are selfish so the game doesn't become more united anymore but Man United still for me will not be consistent if the game in the EPL is still like that especially in this very tight UCL.

Man United's problems are more from midfield, at the back and the coach is lacking in his strategy so I don't think he took Rangnick's decision right.

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Quote from: qory on February 10, 2022, 06:28:53 PM

Ronaldo may not be the best player anymore, but he is still very valuable. Mbappe is basically much better, faster, and more technical. But Ronaldo has much more experience and has his status with him. At the decisive moments he really put a lot of balls in it. Mbappe has yet to show it all. he has not yet succeeded in that at PSG in the CL.

Ronaldo and Mbappe, I don't think they are comparable players.
First, it would be strange if Mbappe didn't have more speed than Ronaldo at the moment, he is younger than Ronaldo, so that aspect is normal.
Then, Mbappe is also a player who seeks more physical contact. Ronaldo, on the other hand, won't be that much anymore, despite being good at one-on-one.

Comparing Ronaldo and Kylian Mbappé, It's basically like comparing Ronaldo with Messi just with the stats because they are both very different players with very different play styles.
Here I am not comparing or saying that Messi is like Kylian Mbappé or anything obviously. What I am trying to say is that these types of comparison doesn't make any sense and especially when Ronaldo is far older than Kylian Mbappé.

Well, therefore comparing them is not the right thing, there will be a time when Mbappe will have rivals like Messi and Ronaldo. At a young age, of course, they must continue to strive to achieve many achievements, but if you compare Mbappe then I think there will be a time when Mbappe will become Haaland's rival in the future. They have very big prospects from time to time but they need to join a better team and can continue to go further in the UCL event. Mbappe and Ronaldo's records are clearly different, we can't compare them now because even in the past when Ronaldo started to rise together with Manchester United I think at that time Ronaldo didn't have a rival whose quality was not much different from his age and beautiful style of play.

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Therefore, I find it shameful what some are trying to do, which is to blame Ronaldo. That's a little bit what they did at Juventus, but today we saw that the problem was bigger.

It's funny to blame Ronaldo. If he was right to move to Man City I think he would have got more ball. Because I see Man city better at playing the ball. He will have special service from the other players. If at Man United at the moment Ronaldo can't be a hero with just a few good players. Man United are in a bad position, high expectations are given to Ronaldo but it seems that his friend is not able to provide help with his best performances.

Blaming Cristiano Ronaldo is not wise, because this game is played by 11 people who are on the field. No matter how great a player is, if his teammates can't provide good support, then he won't be able to do anything.
See when he played at Real Madrid, the team cohesiveness they showed brought the Champions League title 3 times in a row and Ronaldo became one of the actors of Rela Madrid's success.

I know on the field played by 11 player but with Manchester United right now have different games style and looks focus when attacking counter for Ronaldo as scoring goal, maybe Manchester United need to change game play who ever have bigger chance to score can make goal without have to focus as cristiano ronaldo always for scoring goal. Maybe Manchester United need try playing without have Ronaldo as starting eleven team and use Cavani as target men.

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Quote from: joker_josue on February 11, 2022, 06:44:52 AM

Quote from: qory on February 10, 2022, 06:28:53 PM

Ronaldo may not be the best player anymore, but he is still very valuable. Mbappe is basically much better, faster, and more technical. But Ronaldo has much more experience and has his status with him. At the decisive moments he really put a lot of balls in it. Mbappe has yet to show it all. he has not yet succeeded in that at PSG in the CL.

Ronaldo and Mbappe, I don't think they are comparable players.
First, it would be strange if Mbappe didn't have more speed than Ronaldo at the moment, he is younger than Ronaldo, so that aspect is normal.
Then, Mbappe is also a player who seeks more physical contact. Ronaldo, on the other hand, won't be that much anymore, despite being good at one-on-one.

Comparing Ronaldo and Kylian Mbappé, It's basically like comparing Ronaldo with Messi just with the stats because they are both very different players with very different play styles.
Here I am not comparing or saying that Messi is like Kylian Mbappé or anything obviously. What I am trying to say is that these types of comparison doesn't make any sense and especially when Ronaldo is far older than Kylian Mbappé.

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Quote from: AakZaki on February 11, 2022, 08:37:09 AM

Quote from: joker_josue on February 10, 2022, 07:24:02 AM

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Therefore, I find it shameful what some are trying to do, which is to blame Ronaldo. That's a little bit what they did at Juventus, but today we saw that the problem was bigger.

It's funny to blame Ronaldo. If he was right to move to Man City I think he would have got more ball. Because I see Man city better at playing the ball. He will have special service from the other players. If at Man United at the moment Ronaldo can't be a hero with just a few good players. Man United are in a bad position, high expectations are given to Ronaldo but it seems that his friend is not able to provide help with his best performances.

Blaming Cristiano Ronaldo is not wise, because this game is played by 11 people who are on the field. No matter how great a player is, if his teammates can't provide good support, then he won't be able to do anything.
See when he played at Real Madrid, the team cohesiveness they showed brought the Champions League title 3 times in a row and Ronaldo became one of the actors of Rela Madrid's success.

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Quote from: AakZaki on February 11, 2022, 08:37:09 AM

Quote from: joker_josue on February 10, 2022, 07:24:02 AM

~snip~

Therefore, I find it shameful what some are trying to do, which is to blame Ronaldo. That's a little bit what they did at Juventus, but today we saw that the problem was bigger.

It's funny to blame Ronaldo. If he was right to move to Man City I think he would have got more ball. Because I see Man city better at playing the ball. He will have special service from the other players. If at Man United at the moment Ronaldo can't be a hero with just a few good players. Man United are in a bad position, high expectations are given to Ronaldo but it seems that his friend is not able to provide help with his best performances.

^ Listen I have the answer, why Manchester United these blaming Ronaldo.

Use because they don't have anyone else to blame and they can't even seem to understand what the hell is going on.

So, when they don't have any problems but still can't seem to get the results they are just playing the blame game. The problem in my opinion is their midfield which can't seem to play like a team and make any plays at all.

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I dont think Man Utd even with Ronaldo they wont even reach the quarter finals with how bad they are playing ,they dont stand a chance against any team currently. Messi’s PSG is a superstar team but they dont play like a team and thats why i dont see them winning the champions league. Main favorites are Bayern Munich and Man City and as a surprise team i would choose Ajax.

Not consistent performance on Primer League maybe become some decision not optimist with Manchester United will success lead Villareal on qurater final of champion league, Red Devils still not get good touch under new manager and always get disappointed result few match before on primer league and they have out early on FA Cup from championship team. I think Manchester United as not favorite team will lead to quarter final of champion league in this season.

I don't understand if anything goes wrong in a team the problem is the coach, I know that people like to assume things a lot but I think the situation of Manchester United is like these because they have some problems in their midfield.

I am not saying that they don't have good players think of it filled but the problem is that players don't have any chemistry between them and that is why they are not being able to make the correct plays or any plays in fact.

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Quote from: AndySt on February 10, 2022, 06:30:54 PM

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Quote from: DU18 on February 10, 2022, 06:10:56 PM

Many people still believe with Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo are best player in the world right now and they not memorize how old age for both player, looking on statistic between Messi and Ronaldo I think not really potential as best player for this season. But we need waiting with Manchester United and PSG how far they can talk in champion league on this season. Can Ronaldo make United pass to final and Messi can give champion league first trophy for PSG? still have one week later for Manchester United against Villareal and PSG will get difficult faced with Real Madrid on champion league knock out.

As much as Ronaldo and Messi fans would argue that the pair are still on top of their game, it's not hard to see that they have passed their peaks and their performances from the last 2-3 seasons have been diminishing. Between Man Utd and PSG, only PSG has the best chance to make it to the finals - judging from Man Utd recent PL results, it's a good thing they have a pretty easy team compared to PSG that are up against Madrid.

In theory, if we say that Ronaldo and Messi are the best players in the world, it is possible by the totality of their merits for their careers and the level of play that they have shown in this career. I also don't quite agree when they make equality in the level of the player himself and the success of the team in which he plays. It's not the same thing. Because if, for example, Chelsea is the current winner of the Champions League, then this does not mean that its players individually are head and shoulders above players from other clubs. Yes, you could see this for yourself in the last draw, at least by the example of the final with Manchester City, because Manchester City was clearly no worse than Chelsea in the selection of players and was the favorite in their full-time match.

It is obviously not about having the best players in your team or having the best squad ever, The one thing that ends up helping the team in the match is teamwork and without teamwork even the best players want to be able to do anything.
It doesn't matter if you even have Cristiano Ronaldo And Lionel Messi in the same team, they both need their team to help them. After all, teamwork makes the dream work.

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Quote from: joker_josue on February 10, 2022, 07:24:02 AM

~snip~

Therefore, I find it shameful what some are trying to do, which is to blame Ronaldo. That's a little bit what they did at Juventus, but today we saw that the problem was bigger.

It's funny to blame Ronaldo. If he was right to move to Man City I think he would have got more ball. Because I see Man city better at playing the ball. He will have special service from the other players. If at Man United at the moment Ronaldo can't be a hero with just a few good players. Man United are in a bad position, high expectations are given to Ronaldo but it seems that his friend is not able to provide help with his best performances.

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Quote from: qory on February 10, 2022, 06:28:53 PM

Ronaldo may not be the best player anymore, but he is still very valuable. Mbappe is basically much better, faster, and more technical. But Ronaldo has much more experience and has his status with him. At the decisive moments he really put a lot of balls in it. Mbappe has yet to show it all. he has not yet succeeded in that at PSG in the CL.

Ronaldo is still reliable, but he can't work alone. He needs the full support of other players. The problem is at Manchester United he doesn't get that, unlike when he was at Real Madrid, he gets the ball supply which is his forte. While at Manchester United we can see for ourselves, starting from defenders who often blunder, selfish strikers, everything is complete.

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Quote from: qory on February 10, 2022, 06:28:53 PM

Ronaldo may not be the best player anymore, but he is still very valuable. Mbappe is basically much better, faster, and more technical. But Ronaldo has much more experience and has his status with him. At the decisive moments he really put a lot of balls in it. Mbappe has yet to show it all. he has not yet succeeded in that at PSG in the CL.

Ronaldo and Mbappe, I don't think they are comparable players.
First, it would be strange if Mbappe didn't have more speed than Ronaldo at the moment, he is younger than Ronaldo, so that aspect is normal.
Then, Mbappe is also a player who seeks more physical contact. Ronaldo, on the other hand, won't be that much anymore, despite being good at one-on-one.

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Quote from: Joca97 on February 10, 2022, 06:30:19 PM

I dont think Man Utd even with Ronaldo they wont even reach the quarter finals with how bad they are playing ,they dont stand a chance against any team currently. Messi’s PSG is a superstar team but they dont play like a team and thats why i dont see them winning the champions league. Main favorites are Bayern Munich and Man City and as a surprise team i would choose Ajax.

Not consistent performance on Primer League maybe become some decision not optimist with Manchester United will success lead Villareal on qurater final of champion league, Red Devils still not get good touch under new manager and always get disappointed result few match before on primer league and they have out early on FA Cup from championship team. I think Manchester United as not favorite team will lead to quarter final of champion league in this season.

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Quote from: nelson4lov on February 10, 2022, 06:25:50 PM

Quote from: DU18 on February 10, 2022, 06:10:56 PM

Many people still believe with Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo are best player in the world right now and they not memorize how old age for both player, looking on statistic between Messi and Ronaldo I think not really potential as best player for this season. But we need waiting with Manchester United and PSG how far they can talk in champion league on this season. Can Ronaldo make United pass to final and Messi can give champion league first trophy for PSG? still have one week later for Manchester United against Villareal and PSG will get difficult faced with Real Madrid on champion league knock out.

As much as Ronaldo and Messi fans would argue that the pair are still on top of their game, it's not hard to see that they have passed their peaks and their performances from the last 2-3 seasons have been diminishing. Between Man Utd and PSG, only PSG has the best chance to make it to the finals - judging from Man Utd recent PL results, it's a good thing they have a pretty easy team compared to PSG that are up against Madrid.

In theory, if we say that Ronaldo and Messi are the best players in the world, it is possible by the totality of their merits for their careers and the level of play that they have shown in this career. I also don't quite agree when they make equality in the level of the player himself and the success of the team in which he plays. It's not the same thing. Because if, for example, Chelsea is the current winner of the Champions League, then this does not mean that its players individually are head and shoulders above players from other clubs. Yes, you could see this for yourself in the last draw, at least by the example of the final with Manchester City, because Manchester City was clearly no worse than Chelsea in the selection of players and was the favorite in their full-time match.

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Quote from: nelson4lov on February 10, 2022, 06:25:50 PM

Quote from: DU18 on February 10, 2022, 06:10:56 PM

Many people still believe with Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo are best player in the world right now and they not memorize how old age for both player, looking on statistic between Messi and Ronaldo I think not really potential as best player for this season. But we need waiting with Manchester United and PSG how far they can talk in champion league on this season. Can Ronaldo make United pass to final and Messi can give champion league first trophy for PSG? still have one week later for Manchester United against Villareal and PSG will get difficult faced with Real Madrid on champion league knock out.

As much as Ronaldo and Messi fans would argue that the pair are still on top of their game, it's not hard to see that they have passed their peaks and their performances from the last 2-3 seasons have been diminishing. Between Man Utd and PSG, only PSG has the best chance to make it to the finals - judging from Man Utd recent PL results, it's a good thing they have a pretty easy team compared to PSG that are up against Madrid.

I dont think Man Utd even with Ronaldo they wont even reach the quarter finals with how bad they are playing ,they dont stand a chance against any team currently. Messi’s PSG is a superstar team but they dont play like a team and thats why i dont see them winning the champions league. Main favorites are Bayern Munich and Man City and as a surprise team i would choose Ajax.

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Ronaldo may not be the best player anymore, but he is still very valuable. Mbappe is basically much better, faster, and more technical. But Ronaldo has much more experience and has his status with him. At the decisive moments he really put a lot of balls in it. Mbappe has yet to show it all. he has not yet succeeded in that at PSG in the CL.

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Quote from: DU18 on February 10, 2022, 06:10:56 PM

Many people still believe with Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo are best player in the world right now and they not memorize how old age for both player, looking on statistic between Messi and Ronaldo I think not really potential as best player for this season. But we need waiting with Manchester United and PSG how far they can talk in champion league on this season. Can Ronaldo make United pass to final and Messi can give champion league first trophy for PSG? still have one week later for Manchester United against Villareal and PSG will get difficult faced with Real Madrid on champion league knock out.

As much as Ronaldo and Messi fans would argue that the pair are still on top of their game, it's not hard to see that they have passed their peaks and their performances from the last 2-3 seasons have been diminishing. Between Man Utd and PSG, only PSG has the best chance to make it to the finals - judging from Man Utd recent PL results, it's a good thing they have a pretty easy team compared to PSG that are up against Madrid.

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Quote from: izsara on February 10, 2022, 02:09:31 PM

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Maybe Cristiano Ronaldo have over and Europe competition is not matching for him, look at statistic with Manchester United in five games Ronaldo without any contribution and failed scored goal and contributed with assist, maybe move to easy competition like MLS is best option for him still have higher market value. I think Manchester United can't talk more on champion league although have Cristiano Ronaldo, maybe quarter final is the best achievement in this year.

agree with what you said, his era is not over but indeed the top European leagues are now quite tough so indeed he can't have high hopes for him now even though his performances are still quite good.
On the other hand, I still believe I am also quite pessimistic that they can reach the quarter-finals at UCL because their current performance is getting worse and worse.

Many people still believe with Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo are best player in the world right now and they not memorize how old age for both player, looking on statistic between Messi and Ronaldo I think not really potential as best player for this season. But we need waiting with Manchester United and PSG how far they can talk in champion league on this season. Can Ronaldo make United pass to final and Messi can give champion league first trophy for PSG? still have one week later for Manchester United against Villareal and PSG will get difficult faced with Real Madrid on champion league knock out.

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Quote from: DU18 on February 09, 2022, 11:41:38 PM

Maybe Cristiano Ronaldo have over and Europe competition is not matching for him, look at statistic with Manchester United in five games Ronaldo without any contribution and failed scored goal and contributed with assist, maybe move to easy competition like MLS is best option for him still have higher market value. I think Manchester United can't talk more on champion league although have Cristiano Ronaldo, maybe quarter final is the best achievement in this year.

agree with what you said, his era is not over but indeed the top European leagues are now quite tough so indeed he can't have high hopes for him now even though his performances are still quite good.
On the other hand, I still believe I am also quite pessimistic that they can reach the quarter-finals at UCL because their current performance is getting worse and worse.

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Quote from: AndySt on February 09, 2022, 05:10:00 PM

Quote from: uchegod-21 on February 09, 2022, 11:32:40 AM

When you are lucky with draws you will go far in the tournament until you will get to the point where lucky will not work again because the remaining people are all good teams. Juventus will not win the champions league. This year champions league has many favourites and Juventus is not included in them.
When Ronaldo was in Juventus he did his best but his best did not win the champions league. As you said in the above, only one individual cannot do it, the whole teams must be good. Another important thing is the mentality of the coach. If the coach no get winning mentality, he cannot lift the champions league trophy.

The mentality of the winner is quite an ephemeral thing, it depends on a lot of things and may not always be a determining factor, otherwise we would not have seen new Champions League winners and a new person on the coaching bridge at the head of the team. As for Ronaldo's results in the Champions League with Juventus, I would like to say the following: in my opinion, the club really lacked players of the level that Cristiano was with Real Madrid. By the way, to the question of the winner's mentality, what kind of winner's mentality as a coach can we talk about Zidane when he won the Champions League for the first time? Or Jurgen Klopp at the head of Liverpool, when he already had a bad experience of playing in the Champions League final?

A coach controls a lot of aspects of the game that is going to be played and a motivated coach can also motivate the players in a certain way that they will feel like winning or losing is more like living and dying.

A coach can motivate a player in such away. But I still feel like the job has to be done by the players and not only one of them but also the whole squad has to play together to win or else having a good coach or great squad doesn't mean anything if you cannot win.

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Quote from: BuNga_cute on February 10, 2022, 04:47:14 AM

Football is a game that requires the cooperation of many people, even though Cristiano Ronaldo has very good abilities. But if players only rely on
individual abilities in scoring goals, it will definitely be difficult to make the team win. Ronaldo needs the support of other players at Man United to be
able to score a lot of goals, there must be a solid cooperation between Ronaldo and his other Man United players. Take a look when Ronaldo was
successful with Real Madrid, there are many players who help Ronaldo. I see Man United this season not having good cooperation between fellow
players, although Man United have a lot of quality players, the reality is that they struggle to win. Man United needs a coach who can make his players
work well together, instead of competing with each other to show their respective skills. I don't think it's Ronaldo's fault or any of the other
Man United players, they are difficult to show good performance, because of less effective instructions from the coach.

That's it, they can't put the ball on Ronaldo and wait for him to solve all the problems.
What Man United lacks is knowing how to play as a team, which they don't do. The defense seems to play alone, the midfield is every man for himself, and then the ball doesn't reach the attack.

Therefore, I find it shameful what some are trying to do, which is to blame Ronaldo. That's a little bit what they did at Juventus, but today we saw that the problem was bigger.

^ I really have a doubt that everyone is comparing themselves to Cristiano Ronaldo these days in the Manchester United squad.
They are all trying to make solo plays but when it's not working out it becomes Cristiano Ronaldo's fault and that's hilarious Cheesy

, to be honest.

And sometimes I think that therefore get the ball travels faster than them. I know they are all capable players and can play really good football but the player is nothing without the team, he doesn't matter how great he is.

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