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Quote from: Velvet78 on February 10, 2022, 05:03:50 AM

I think that this is not the end for Manchester United in this round of the Champions League. I don't see Atletico Madrid being any better than them. I believe in Manchester United about getting at least a draw in Wanda Metropolitano. And they will qualify for the quarter finals too. But after that, it will depend on their opponent if they can see the semi finals too or not. Manchester United are still having a problematic season in the EPL. But I still expect them to show a better performance here. Maybe they don't have a chance for the title much but they would like to reach the best stage they can.

At the moment, Atletico Madrid and Manchester United seem to be in the same situation. Despite Atletico Madrid having talented strikers like Griezmann, Suarez and Correa, their performance is poor. Atletico Madrid have a lot of problems scoring goals against renowned teams. Manchester United's performance is even weaker. They can't win against any strong team. They have trouble scoring goals even against weaker teams. Ronaldo is not in good form. So I would say that the chances of the two teams winning this match are equal now. No team can play well.

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Quote from: joker_josue on February 10, 2022, 03:00:05 AM

Man United's problem, just like Juventus had, is that they hire Ronaldo and expect him to do all the work himself. It doesn't work like that, you have to build a balanced team with good players. Man United's midfield is worthless, they seem to be good players, but then on the pitch they don't help the team to attack. But it seems that they are more concerned with not conceding goals than scoring them.

I have the same thought. There is a gap in Man United's midfield, where they cannot deliver the ball optimally to the front lines, and even when defending Man United's midfield didn't seem to help much (especially when they face a counterattack). I think what Man United needs now is a midfielder who can play the role of a water carrier because of all the midfielders that Man United currently has, no one can do that role.

Besides that, Man United also needs a strong central defender because Maguire is also a weakness for Man United and he should be put on the bench.

Manchester United has lost the crop of players that are always dedicated and thirsty to win matches and trophies. The likes of Vidic, Evera, Ferdinand, Ronaldo, Rooney, Valencia, etc.
In the current Manchester united squad, the only smart guys are the two old guys (Ronaldo and Cavani). Fred is dedicated too, unlike the likes of Rashford who literally will want to trek even in the pitch. Pogba and his friends are good at snaping and posting on the social media.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on February 10, 2022, 05:03:50 AM

I think that this is not the end for Manchester United in this round of the Champions League. I don't see Atletico Madrid being any better than them. I believe in Manchester United about getting at least a draw in Wanda Metropolitano. And they will qualify for the quarter finals too. But after that, it will depend on their opponent if they can see the semi finals too or not. Manchester United are still having a problematic season in the EPL. But I still expect them to show a better performance here. Maybe they don't have a chance for the title much but they would like to reach the best stage they can.

It's true that Atletico Madrid are in bad shape too, but Manchester United are worse than them. In the Premier League they have been very disappointing, they were eliminated in the FA Cup after losing to Middlesbrough, and in the Premier League match they were held to a draw by relegation team Burnley.
Even so I hope like you, yes I hope they do well in the Champions League later.

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Quote from: BuNga_cute on February 10, 2022, 04:47:14 AM

Football is a game that requires the cooperation of many people, even though Cristiano Ronaldo has very good abilities. But if players only rely on
individual abilities in scoring goals, it will definitely be difficult to make the team win. Ronaldo needs the support of other players at Man United to be
able to score a lot of goals, there must be a solid cooperation between Ronaldo and his other Man United players. Take a look when Ronaldo was
successful with Real Madrid, there are many players who help Ronaldo. I see Man United this season not having good cooperation between fellow
players, although Man United have a lot of quality players, the reality is that they struggle to win. Man United needs a coach who can make his players
work well together, instead of competing with each other to show their respective skills. I don't think it's Ronaldo's fault or any of the other
Man United players, they are difficult to show good performance, because of less effective instructions from the coach.

That's it, they can't put the ball on Ronaldo and wait for him to solve all the problems.
What Man United lacks is knowing how to play as a team, which they don't do. The defense seems to play alone, the midfield is every man for himself, and then the ball doesn't reach the attack.

Therefore, I find it shameful what some are trying to do, which is to blame Ronaldo. That's a little bit what they did at Juventus, but today we saw that the problem was bigger.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on February 10, 2022, 05:03:50 AM

I think that this is not the end for Manchester United in this round of the Champions League. I don't see Atletico Madrid being any better than them. I believe in Manchester United about getting at least a draw in Wanda Metropolitano. And they will qualify for the quarter finals too. But after that, it will depend on their opponent if they can see the semi finals too or not. Manchester United are still having a problematic season in the EPL. But I still expect them to show a better performance here. Maybe they don't have a chance for the title much but they would like to reach the best stage they can.

Bookmaker quotes for the first match of this confrontation at the moment are as follows:

2,48 - 3,25 - 3,00

I can imagine how analysts have a headache when they try to figure out how these two losers will play against each other Grin

I don't consider United an outsider or a favorite - they are unstable (by the way, unlike Atlético which seem to have become consistently bad). United can lose or win big, for me it's a completely random match.

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I think that this is not the end for Manchester United in this round of the Champions League. I don't see Atletico Madrid being any better than them. I believe in Manchester United about getting at least a draw in Wanda Metropolitano. And they will qualify for the quarter finals too. But after that, it will depend on their opponent if they can see the semi finals too or not. Manchester United are still having a problematic season in the EPL. But I still expect them to show a better performance here. Maybe they don't have a chance for the title much but they would like to reach the best stage they can.

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Quote from: tulusikhlas on February 10, 2022, 03:13:51 AM

Quote from: qory on February 09, 2022, 05:38:24 PM

Ronaldo is a player with a lot of experience. There was a time when Real Madrid managed to win the CL no less than 3 times in a row. You don't just do that. Ronaldo has played a very big role in that. Without him, it would never have been possible. Without him they probably wouldn't even have won the final once in those 3 years.

When talking about Cristiano Ronaldo, everyone knows what he has achieved, from the many team and individual awards he has received. Even some difficult records, he managed to break.
But when it comes to team play, no matter how good the quality of the players, he can't work alone. There must be a supporting factor from his teammates. Cooperation is the key to success.

Football is a game that requires the cooperation of many people, even though Cristiano Ronaldo has very good abilities. But if players only rely on
individual abilities in scoring goals, it will definitely be difficult to make the team win. Ronaldo needs the support of other players at Man United to be
able to score a lot of goals, there must be a solid cooperation between Ronaldo and his other Man United players. Take a look when Ronaldo was
successful with Real Madrid, there are many players who help Ronaldo. I see Man United this season not having good cooperation between fellow
players, although Man United have a lot of quality players, the reality is that they struggle to win. Man United needs a coach who can make his players
work well together, instead of competing with each other to show their respective skills. I don't think it's Ronaldo's fault or any of the other
Man United players, they are difficult to show good performance, because of less effective instructions from the coach.

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Quote from: joker_josue on February 10, 2022, 03:00:05 AM

Man United's problem, just like Juventus had, is that they hire Ronaldo and expect him to do all the work himself. It doesn't work like that, you have to build a balanced team with good players. Man United's midfield is worthless, they seem to be good players, but then on the pitch they don't help the team to attack. But it seems that they are more concerned with not conceding goals than scoring them.

I have the same thought. There is a gap in Man United's midfield, where they cannot deliver the ball optimally to the front lines, and even when defending Man United's midfield didn't seem to help much (especially when they face a counterattack). I think what Man United needs now is a midfielder who can play the role of a water carrier because of all the midfielders that Man United currently has, no one can do that role.

Besides that, Man United also needs a strong central defender because Maguire is also a weakness for Man United and he should be put on the bench.

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Quote from: babo on February 10, 2022, 03:29:30 AM

Quote from: Slow death on February 10, 2022, 01:25:48 AM

the problem of manchester united and the manager, to solve the problems of manchester united first the management of the club needs to hire a good manager and then this new manager will choose the players that need to stay and the players that need to leave the club and the new players that need to be hired. ronaldo alone with this current coach he won't help at all, he can't even be visible on the field. It's really a big problem in Manchester United scenario, they spend a lot of money on unproductive players on offense and defense

I have not followed the events of Manchester United, but I agree with you
To function well, a team needs good people in all sectors: not just players and coaches
- the athletic trainer is also very important
- management and managers are also very important
- even the owner, who is not a spoiled child who stamps his foot if the team does not always win
I'm sorry for Manchester United anyway

Manchester United's squad is not weak. Their striker is Cavani and star players like Rashford and Ronaldo. They are talented and experienced. They have players like Pogba, Bruno and Sancho in their midfield. Undoubtedly one of the best midfielders in the world. At the same time Bailly and Varane are very experienced defenders. Now their main problem is that their match strategy is not right. They should now dismiss the coach and appoint an experienced coach.

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Quote from: Slow death on February 10, 2022, 01:25:48 AM

the problem of manchester united and the manager, to solve the problems of manchester united first the management of the club needs to hire a good manager and then this new manager will choose the players that need to stay and the players that need to leave the club and the new players that need to be hired. ronaldo alone with this current coach he won't help at all, he can't even be visible on the field. It's really a big problem in Manchester United scenario, they spend a lot of money on unproductive players on offense and defense

I have not followed the events of Manchester United, but I agree with you
To function well, a team needs good people in all sectors: not just players and coaches
- the athletic trainer is also very important
- management and managers are also very important
- even the owner, who is not a spoiled child who stamps his foot if the team does not always win

I'm sorry for Manchester United anyway

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Quote from: qory on February 09, 2022, 05:38:24 PM

Ronaldo is a player with a lot of experience. There was a time when Real Madrid managed to win the CL no less than 3 times in a row. You don't just do that. Ronaldo has played a very big role in that. Without him, it would never have been possible. Without him they probably wouldn't even have won the final once in those 3 years.

When talking about Cristiano Ronaldo, everyone knows what he has achieved, from the many team and individual awards he has received. Even some difficult records, he managed to break.
But when it comes to team play, no matter how good the quality of the players, he can't work alone. There must be a supporting factor from his teammates. Cooperation is the key to success.

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Quote from: DU18 on February 09, 2022, 11:41:38 PM

Maybe Cristiano Ronaldo have over and Europe competition is not matching for him, look at statistic with Manchester United in five games Ronaldo without any contribution and failed scored goal and contributed with assist, maybe move to easy competition like MLS is best option for him still have higher market value. I think Manchester United can't talk more on champion league although have Cristiano Ronaldo, maybe quarter final is the best achievement in this year.

Sorry but I have to disagree! Man United's fault for being in this situation cannot be blamed on Ronaldo, he is the one who has tried the most for the club to achieve victories. You can see that he gets really outraged when things don't go well. But it's not coming in 20 minutes from the end of the game that he'll have to save the team, that's not how it is.

Man United's problem, just like Juventus had, is that they hire Ronaldo and expect him to do all the work himself. It doesn't work like that, you have to build a balanced team with good players. Man United's midfield is worthless, they seem to be good players, but then on the pitch they don't help the team to attack. But it seems that they are more concerned with not conceding goals than scoring them.

Then it's easy to blame Ronaldo. But honestly, Ronaldo is the least guilty of this situation that Man United is suffering.

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Quote from: onetwostep on February 09, 2022, 06:38:42 AM

Quote from: qory on February 08, 2022, 02:48:00 PM

Juventus have no chance of winning the Champions League title. That also testifies to the odds you get if they do manage to win the title. When Ronaldo was still playing there, they actually accomplished nothing, eliminated against Ajax and Lyon. Especially against Lyon was an embarrassment time. And now without Ronaldo it doesn't work at all. Admittedly, with a favorable draw you can go far without playing well.

I agree with that, Ronaldo was a very good player, but it was not possible to make this team champion alone. In order for a team to be a champion, every player must be successful, players who can score goals or pass well are not enough for this.
I think they have a much worse team this year compared to previous years. They didn't even lead their league

the problem of manchester united and the manager, to solve the problems of manchester united first the management of the club needs to hire a good manager and then this new manager will choose the players that need to stay and the players that need to leave the club and the new players that need to be hired. ronaldo alone with this current coach he won't help at all, he can't even be visible on the field. It's really a big problem in Manchester United scenario, they spend a lot of money on unproductive players on offense and defense

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Quote from: onetwostep on February 09, 2022, 06:38:42 AM

Quote from: qory on February 08, 2022, 02:48:00 PM

Juventus have no chance of winning the Champions League title. That also testifies to the odds you get if they do manage to win the title. When Ronaldo was still playing there, they actually accomplished nothing, eliminated against Ajax and Lyon. Especially against Lyon was an embarrassment time. And now without Ronaldo it doesn't work at all. Admittedly, with a favorable draw you can go far without playing well.

I agree with that, Ronaldo was a very good player, but it was not possible to make this team champion alone. In order for a team to be a champion, every player must be successful, players who can score goals or pass well are not enough for this.
I think they have a much worse team this year compared to previous years. They didn't even lead their league

Maybe Cristiano Ronaldo have over and Europe competition is not matching for him, look at statistic with Manchester United in five games Ronaldo without any contribution and failed scored goal and contributed with assist, maybe move to easy competition like MLS is best option for him still have higher market value. I think Manchester United can't talk more on champion league although have Cristiano Ronaldo, maybe quarter final is the best achievement in this year.

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Quote from: onetwostep on February 09, 2022, 06:38:42 AM

I agree with that, Ronaldo was a very good player, but it was not possible to make this team champion alone. In order for a team to be a champion, every player must be successful, players who can score goals or pass well are not enough for this.
I think they have a much worse team this year compared to previous years. They didn't even lead their league

Even though they have never led in their league in their country, but in this Champions League all clubs will play differently because this is a different league from the one in their respective countries, because whether or not a club is strong is proven in the Champions League, let alone there are a mix of clubs from all Leagues who unite here to fight for their respective victories.

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Ronaldo is a player with a lot of experience. There was a time when Real Madrid managed to win the CL no less than 3 times in a row. You don't just do that. Ronaldo has played a very big role in that. Without him, it would never have been possible. Without him they probably wouldn't even have won the final once in those 3 years.

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Quote from: onetwostep on February 09, 2022, 06:38:42 AM

Quote from: qory on February 08, 2022, 02:48:00 PM

Juventus have no chance of winning the Champions League title. That also testifies to the odds you get if they do manage to win the title. When Ronaldo was still playing there, they actually accomplished nothing, eliminated against Ajax and Lyon. Especially against Lyon was an embarrassment time. And now without Ronaldo it doesn't work at all. Admittedly, with a favorable draw you can go far without playing well.

I agree with that, Ronaldo was a very good player, but it was not possible to make this team champion alone. In order for a team to be a champion, every player must be successful, players who can score goals or pass well are not enough for this.
I think they have a much worse team this year compared to previous years. They didn't even lead their league

When you are lucky with draws you will go far in the tournament until you will get to the point where lucky will not work again because the remaining people are all good teams. Juventus will not win the champions league. This year champions league has many favourites and Juventus is not included in them.
When Ronaldo was in Juventus he did his best but his best did not win the champions league. As you said in the above, only one individual cannot do it, the whole teams must be good. Another important thing is the mentality of the coach. If the coach no get winning mentality, he cannot lift the champions league trophy.

The mentality of the winner is quite an ephemeral thing, it depends on a lot of things and may not always be a determining factor, otherwise we would not have seen new Champions League winners and a new person on the coaching bridge at the head of the team. As for Ronaldo's results in the Champions League with Juventus, I would like to say the following: in my opinion, the club really lacked players of the level that Cristiano was with Real Madrid. By the way, to the question of the winner's mentality, what kind of winner's mentality as a coach can we talk about Zidane when he won the Champions League for the first time? Or Jurgen Klopp at the head of Liverpool, when he already had a bad experience of playing in the Champions League final?

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Quote from: baeva on February 07, 2022, 03:46:36 PM

Yes, I agree, in the Champions League he sort of scored his first goal for PSG if I'm not mistaken. I've also noticed that he plays better in the Champions League than in the league, but I don't know what that has to do with, because I think he has poor interaction with his teammates. By the way, I haven't heard of any illnesses. When was that?

it has little interaction for what I say, making real champions play together is very difficult
they also play too much, it is obvious .. if you use a car too much to travel many kilometers, you will first have to do the various checks and change the interior parts
and a car is made of steel and iron

Hmmm, didn't quite understand your analogy with a car, after all cars can be very reliable, just like the trio at barcelona used to be, if you do compare players to cars, heh. All in all I hope they play out sooner rather than later. Rumour has it that if mbappe leaves then PSG will buy Haaland in the summer. The deal will be around 70 million plus a bonus of 10-15 million

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Quote from: onetwostep on February 09, 2022, 06:38:42 AM

Quote from: qory on February 08, 2022, 02:48:00 PM

Juventus have no chance of winning the Champions League title. That also testifies to the odds you get if they do manage to win the title. When Ronaldo was still playing there, they actually accomplished nothing, eliminated against Ajax and Lyon. Especially against Lyon was an embarrassment time. And now without Ronaldo it doesn't work at all. Admittedly, with a favorable draw you can go far without playing well.

I agree with that, Ronaldo was a very good player, but it was not possible to make this team champion alone. In order for a team to be a champion, every player must be successful, players who can score goals or pass well are not enough for this.
I think they have a much worse team this year compared to previous years. They didn't even lead their league

I would guess that they couldn't do it with Ronaldo being there, so people think that they can't do it without him being there at all. I am not saying that Ronaldo is a make or break player, we have seen teams win UCL without Ronaldo plenty of times lol, but that doesn't mean that a team who couldn't do it with him, would ever be able to do it without him neither.

Plus, Juventus has never been really a team that actually fought for UCL all that much, they are really not good enough to be great in Serie A let alone be great in all of Europe, so there is no pressure on them to win anything here. They could lose all the remainder of the games and go back home and nobody would be shocked.

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Quote from: Raflesia on February 09, 2022, 12:15:17 PM

It's always a different fighting spirit when they play in the champions league because this is a prestigious and important match for every player and his club, so Villareal will certainly be better when playing at home as the first leg, but Juventus as a team with experience in the champions league of course have the same dream of signing Denis Zakaria and Dusan Vlahovic so I think this match will be very surprising later.
It was also reported that the purchase of Juventus for players Zakaria and Vlahovic was the right purchase and could change the atmosphere of the game later.

Villareal is surely very tough team for Juventus in this knock out round but still it's going to be one off exciting match because recently we already watch Juventus is improving their quality and now with the arrival of few very exciting and skilled players now they have better energy and fighting spirit.

Most chances we will have better result when Juventus going to visit Villareal because this is very important for both teams, if visitors able to handle this match in better way then surely they are going to win and having better chance of qualifying into next round.

Juventus was good in early matches of Champions League but now with the arrival of Zakaria and Vlahovic they are going to more lethal and have better chance for beating opponents in better way.

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