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Quote from: BALIK on December 30, 2021, 06:20:21 AM

Quote from: tulusikhlas on December 30, 2021, 01:31:04 AM

I agree that Real Madrid have a greater chance of winning the game than Paris Saint-Germain. But that doesn't mean the game will be easy. Both teams have big-name players. I prefer to see how the coaches of both teams apply the strategy in the next match, and take advantage of every position they have.

I think the chances of both teams in this match are equal. Which team would we call weak here?

PSG will be stronger after Neymar returns from injury. At the same time Messi, Mbappe and Ramos are enough to beat Real Madrid. On the other hand, Real Madrid have the goal machine Benzema. And the young genius Vinicius. It's hard to keep them from scoring goals. Anything can happen in this match. However, the match will largely depend on the coach's strategy.

I still haven't been able to understand PSG well
maybe someone knows him well and can tell me if the mix of talents is working well or not
I see too many first women in PSG and this is not good
i mean for entire team

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Quote from: tulusikhlas on December 30, 2021, 01:31:04 AM

I agree that Real Madrid have a greater chance of winning the game than Paris Saint-Germain. But that doesn't mean the game will be easy. Both teams have big-name players. I prefer to see how the coaches of both teams apply the strategy in the next match, and take advantage of every position they have.

Real Madrid have a greater chance? I don't think so man. In fact, none of the teams in the PSG - Real Madrid matchup have a bigger chance than the other. Maybe PSG can be seen as one step ahead by many people and I think so too truthfully. However, these teams both have an equal chance to advance to the quarter final round actually. Because Real Madrid also are in a great condition this season. They also are powerful enough to move PSG out of their way. But there is a long time interval ahead and we will see what happens until then.

This match will certainly be quite fierce, especially in this case there are many factors that make the match even more worthy to watch, in addition to the return of Ramos and Lionel Messi to Bernabue as opponents with different costumes, of course the speculation of mbappe who wants to move to madrid will also make the match even more difficult heating up, the two teams are currently quite consistent in the league and it can be said they are safe enough to be at the top of the league, both teams have a squad that is quite capable and balanced and maybe the coach tactics and strategies will be one factor for one of the teams to achieve victory, besides that, in my opinion, both teams should be able to minimize mistakes that might be made in the match, because if there was the slightest mistake, of course, one of the team would use it to win.

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Quote from: tulusikhlas on December 30, 2021, 01:31:04 AM

I agree that Real Madrid have a greater chance of winning the game than Paris Saint-Germain. But that doesn't mean the game will be easy. Both teams have big-name players. I prefer to see how the coaches of both teams apply the strategy in the next match, and take advantage of every position they have.

Real Madrid have a greater chance? I don't think so man. In fact, none of the teams in the PSG - Real Madrid matchup have a bigger chance than the other. Maybe PSG can be seen as one step ahead by many people and I think so too truthfully. However, these teams both have an equal chance to advance to the quarter final round actually. Because Real Madrid also are in a great condition this season. They also are powerful enough to move PSG out of their way. But there is a long time interval ahead and we will see what happens until then.

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Quote from: tulusikhlas on December 30, 2021, 01:31:04 AM

I agree that Real Madrid have a greater chance of winning the game than Paris Saint-Germain. But that doesn't mean the game will be easy. Both teams have big-name players. I prefer to see how the coaches of both teams apply the strategy in the next match, and take advantage of every position they have.

I think the chances of both teams in this match are equal. Which team would we call weak here?

PSG will be stronger after Neymar returns from injury. At the same time Messi, Mbappe and Ramos are enough to beat Real Madrid. On the other hand, Real Madrid have the goal machine Benzema. And the young genius Vinicius. It's hard to keep them from scoring goals. Anything can happen in this match. However, the match will largely depend on the coach's strategy.

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Quote from: babo on December 30, 2021, 02:33:15 AM

The Red Devils are (were) unpredictable
I still remember the final against Bayern Munich, a team absent all the time that wakes up in the last 5 minutes, draws and wins the game without going to extra time

crazy thing, I was so stunned that I was afraid of the Red Devils for life

So really I don't understand the reason for this post. That was over 22 years ago and Manchester United was extremely lucky back then. It wasn't skill or any special ability of the team, it was just luck. Bayern had two hundred percent chances in that game and didn't score. Actually it should have been 2-0 or 3-0. Since Bayern missed the chances and in addition played the last minutes unclever, ManU had the possibility to turn the game result at all.

Red Devils are unpredictable in the soul...

the formation you have, the spirit you have .. it remains even if the players change and the years pass

see Atalanta, a team that I have been following for at least a decade or more
over the years it has maintained its humility and still builds not thinking of being a great team

-- its just an example, but the mentality and "spirit" of team remain
..
another example, Inter
how many coaches, managers, bosses, players has he changed?
yet it always remains an inconclusive team (see CL)

look at Juventus, a team that has always thought only about money and the budget

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Quote from: babo on December 30, 2021, 02:33:15 AM

The Red Devils are (were) unpredictable
I still remember the final against Bayern Munich, a team absent all the time that wakes up in the last 5 minutes, draws and wins the game without going to extra time

crazy thing, I was so stunned that I was afraid of the Red Devils for life

So really I don't understand the reason for this post. That was over 22 years ago and Manchester United was extremely lucky back then. It wasn't skill or any special ability of the team, it was just luck. Bayern had two hundred percent chances in that game and didn't score. Actually it should have been 2-0 or 3-0. Since Bayern missed the chances and in addition played the last minutes unclever, ManU had the possibility to turn the game result at all.

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Quote from: lulumiya on December 29, 2021, 02:59:06 PM

Maybe the matchup between Atletico Madrid and Manchester United is not between the biggest candidates of the CL title. But they are still strong teams on paper. On the other hand, their recent forms have been not very satisfying. Atletico Madrid have lost so many points in the La Liga lately and they barely advanced to this round of the CL. And Manchester United couldn't even defeat Newcastle last. But there is still a long time for this matchup. Things could change but I'll still be favoring the Red Devils.

The Red Devils are (were) unpredictable
I still remember the final against Bayern Munich, a team absent all the time that wakes up in the last 5 minutes, draws and wins the game without going to extra time

crazy thing, I was so stunned that I was afraid of the Red Devils for life

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Quote from: TopT3ns on December 29, 2021, 11:22:04 PM

Just joke team on champion league I think between Atletico Madrid and Manchester United, who ever pass to next stage I think winning from this match never success pass to semi final and not really trusted with Manchester United or Atletico Madrid performance on champion league, exactly with Atletico Madrid need last match on group stage can pass to 16 round and lucky where AC Milan defeat by Liverpool and pass from group stage based on Liverpool performance.

It's a thing of the past although it's also not wrong to look back, but if you look at all the teams that have qualified for the Champions League round of 16, all of them are extraordinary teams with different experiences, so while looking forward to the match in mid-February (16 - 02 - 2022), what are your predictions for PSG vs Real Madrid ?

Regarding PSG v Madrid, for me personally this is an easy prediction and it looks like Madrid will win or at least the team that is very likely to qualify for the next round. But about Atletico v Manchester United I agree, even though one of them will qualify but in the end they are like a team that will surely fall in the next round. Both are still not at their best at the moment so yes, Atletico and Manchester United have the same chance because they are currently like a balanced team.

I agree that Real Madrid have a greater chance of winning the game than Paris Saint-Germain. But that doesn't mean the game will be easy. Both teams have big-name players. I prefer to see how the coaches of both teams apply the strategy in the next match, and take advantage of every position they have.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on December 29, 2021, 11:22:04 PM

Just joke team on champion league I think between Atletico Madrid and Manchester United, who ever pass to next stage I think winning from this match never success pass to semi final and not really trusted with Manchester United or Atletico Madrid performance on champion league, exactly with Atletico Madrid need last match on group stage can pass to 16 round and lucky where AC Milan defeat by Liverpool and pass from group stage based on Liverpool performance.

It's a thing of the past although it's also not wrong to look back, but if you look at all the teams that have qualified for the Champions League round of 16, all of them are extraordinary teams with different experiences, so while looking forward to the match in mid-February (16 - 02 - 2022), what are your predictions for PSG vs Real Madrid ?

Regarding PSG v Madrid, for me personally this is an easy prediction and it looks like Madrid will win or at least the team that is very likely to qualify for the next round. But about Atletico v Manchester United I agree, even though one of them will qualify but in the end they are like a team that will surely fall in the next round. Both are still not at their best at the moment so yes, Atletico and Manchester United have the same chance because they are currently like a balanced team.

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Quote from: lulumiya on December 29, 2021, 02:59:06 PM

Maybe the matchup between Atletico Madrid and Manchester United is not between the biggest candidates of the CL title. But they are still strong teams on paper. On the other hand, their recent forms have been not very satisfying. Atletico Madrid have lost so many points in the La Liga lately and they barely advanced to this round of the CL. And Manchester United couldn't even defeat Newcastle last. But there is still a long time for this matchup. Things could change but I'll still be favoring the Red Devils.

Yes, when viewed from the league, they both got unsatisfactory results. But in UCL matches, teams usually show surprises. Moreover, Atletico several times had their way tripped by the same person, Cristiano Ronaldo who is now defending Manchester United. This is not only a match between teams, but also a rivalry of 2 men, Diego Simeone and Cristiano Ronaldo, and that will be an interesting part of the match later.

If you observe closely, you will notice that Manchester United performance in the Champion League group stage was quite impressive. They won 3, drew 2 and lost 1 match. Although, United performance in the Premier League are poor. They struggle to win most of their matches, and they were not able to beat weak Newcastle. While Atletico Madrid only won 2 matches in the Group stage, and are currently in a terrible form. However, no team is weak in the Champion League. Honestly, I don't know who will win between Atletico Madrid Vs Manchester United. But, United seems the favorite here, and are likely to win with a goal difference.

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Quote from: lulumiya on December 29, 2021, 02:59:06 PM

Maybe the matchup between Atletico Madrid and Manchester United is not between the biggest candidates of the CL title. But they are still strong teams on paper. On the other hand, their recent forms have been not very satisfying. Atletico Madrid have lost so many points in the La Liga lately and they barely advanced to this round of the CL. And Manchester United couldn't even defeat Newcastle last. But there is still a long time for this matchup. Things could change but I'll still be favoring the Red Devils.

Yes, when viewed from the league, they both got unsatisfactory results. But in UCL matches, teams usually show surprises. Moreover, Atletico several times had their way tripped by the same person, Cristiano Ronaldo who is now defending Manchester United. This is not only a match between teams, but also a rivalry of 2 men, Diego Simeone and Cristiano Ronaldo, and that will be an interesting part of the match later.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on December 29, 2021, 11:22:04 PM

Just joke team on champion league I think between Atletico Madrid and Manchester United, who ever pass to next stage I think winning from this match never success pass to semi final and not really trusted with Manchester United or Atletico Madrid performance on champion league, exactly with Atletico Madrid need last match on group stage can pass to 16 round and lucky where AC Milan defeat by Liverpool and pass from group stage based on Liverpool performance.

It's a thing of the past although it's also not wrong to look back, but if you look at all the teams that have qualified for the Champions League round of 16, all of them are extraordinary teams with different experiences, so while looking forward to the match in mid-February (16 - 02 - 2022), what are your predictions for PSG vs Real Madrid ?

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Quote from: lulumiya on December 29, 2021, 02:59:06 PM

Maybe the matchup between Atletico Madrid and Manchester United is not between the biggest candidates of the CL title. But they are still strong teams on paper. On the other hand, their recent forms have been not very satisfying. Atletico Madrid have lost so many points in the La Liga lately and they barely advanced to this round of the CL. And Manchester United couldn't even defeat Newcastle last. But there is still a long time for this matchup. Things could change but I'll still be favoring the Red Devils.

Just joke team on champion league I think between Atletico Madrid and Manchester United, who ever pass to next stage I think winning from this match never success pass to semi final and not really trusted with Manchester United or Atletico Madrid performance on champion league, exactly with Atletico Madrid need last match on group stage can pass to 16 round and lucky where AC Milan defeat by Liverpool and pass from group stage based on Liverpool performance.

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Quote from: KingsDen on December 29, 2021, 07:13:31 AM

Most times it is not all about the greatness of the players that wins the match, especially when it is Champoins League.
So, while talking about the greatness of the players, let's consider the greatness of the team in terms of experience in Champions league.
Real Madrid as players have better experience of Champions league. Even as a team, they have better experience of Champions league more than always exiting PSG. So, I expect RM to succeed this stage no matter how formidable PSG may appear.

Yes, it's true as you say because there are many examples like last year when Chelsea won the Champions League and not many people even made predictions that Chelsea would win at that time, but in terms of matches the experience of a club and a good player is a combination which is very much needed for a club because therein lies a power that cannot be read by the opponent.

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Quote from: lulumiya on December 29, 2021, 02:59:06 PM

Maybe the matchup between Atletico Madrid and Manchester United is not between the biggest candidates of the CL title. But they are still strong teams on paper. On the other hand, their recent forms have been not very satisfying. Atletico Madrid have lost so many points in the La Liga lately and they barely advanced to this round of the CL. And Manchester United couldn't even defeat Newcastle last. But there is still a long time for this matchup. Things could change but I'll still be favoring the Red Devils.

^ While this is not a match for the biggest candidates, it is one of the most competitive matches. Atletico Madrid are not playing well in La Liga. Having lost several matches in a row, they now have to give up hope of winning the title.

Manchester United, on the other hand, are in dire straits. They are performing very poorly. I said their performance was very poor because, I think United have the most star players in the Premier League. Yet their performance is not satisfactory. Both teams are in the same situation now. So the match will be competitive.

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City doesn't have the mentality to win in the champions league, as evidenced by the transfer of jor2an they have not been able to win the champions league at all even almost 4 years under Pep City's care always failed in the champions league. Maybe it's the Premier League, there is a possibility that City can win, but it's not the case with the Champions League because it's quite impossible for City. I sure this years is not moment for City can success and get trophy in champion league.

How can you be sure that City will not win the Champions League? Where their performance in the Champions League is impressive.
They finished the first round from the top of Group A. They will play against Sporting in the round of 16. Relatively weak opponent. I think Manchester will win easily in this round too. Manchester City players are playing well. Pep's strategy has improved. Isn't Manchester City a worthy candidate to win the City Champions League?

In my opinion, currently there are three strong teams that are candidates for champions champions this season, Liverpool, Manchester City and PSG, but among the three teams I think PSG and Manchester City are the most likely teams to win the Champions League, just like you, I think the performances of the two teams were quite impressive this season and which is the reason why I predict that one of the two teams will be able to get their first champions league trophy this season, but now PSG have left their opponents in the league with a pretty far point difference, and their has a greater focus in champions league match than Manchester City which is now also the champion of the English Premier League half season.

these three teams had an extraordinary match in the group stage. On the other hand, currently City in the last 16 phase will face Sporting CP which in fact City will definitely be seeded.
But unlike PSG, maybe PSG is very good for Ligue 1 but I don't really expect that in the UCL.
They do have very good ability and their players are very dangerous in every line but their opponent is Real Madrid now.
Don't forget that Madrid is the most champions of the UCL at the moment, on the other hand I still feel that Madrid is better than PSG at the moment, especially in the UCL.

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Maybe the matchup between Atletico Madrid and Manchester United is not between the biggest candidates of the CL title. But they are still strong teams on paper. On the other hand, their recent forms have been not very satisfying. Atletico Madrid have lost so many points in the La Liga lately and they barely advanced to this round of the CL. And Manchester United couldn't even defeat Newcastle last. But there is still a long time for this matchup. Things could change but I'll still be favoring the Red Devils.

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Quote from: DU18 on December 29, 2021, 02:16:28 PM

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City doesn't have the mentality to win in the champions league, as evidenced by the transfer of jor2an they have not been able to win the champions league at all even almost 4 years under Pep City's care always failed in the champions league. Maybe it's the Premier League, there is a possibility that City can win, but it's not the case with the Champions League because it's quite impossible for City. I sure this years is not moment for City can success and get trophy in champion league.

How can you be sure that City will not win the Champions League? Where their performance in the Champions League is impressive.
They finished the first round from the top of Group A. They will play against Sporting in the round of 16. Relatively weak opponent. I think Manchester will win easily in this round too. Manchester City players are playing well. Pep's strategy has improved. Isn't Manchester City a worthy candidate to win the City Champions League?

In my opinion, currently there are three strong teams that are candidates for champions champions this season, Liverpool, Manchester City and PSG, but among the three teams I think PSG and Manchester City are the most likely teams to win the Champions League, just like you, I think the performances of the two teams were quite impressive this season and which is the reason why I predict that one of the two teams will be able to get their first champions league trophy this season, but now PSG have left their opponents in the league with a pretty far point difference, and their has a greater focus in champions league match than Manchester City which is now also the champion of the English Premier League half season.

PSG's next opponent is Real Madrid. If PSG can qualify for the next round by beating Real Madrid, then I think they can go to the final. However, it is difficult to say which team will win the title. I think Liverpool, Manchester City and PSG are equally strong.

I am agree with you now, PSG and City have to rely on their luck to win the match despite having good squads. Liverpool's position seems to be a bit better than theirs.

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I've decided not to rate the champions league clubs based on their respective league forms for a variety of reasons. I believe the champions league has its own spirit, as evidenced by the fact that some clubs only perform well in the competition. Last season, Chelsea finished fourth in the Premier League and won the Champions League and Super Cup.

If you look at the caliber of players and the depth of their squads, PSG, Manchester City, and Bayern are always the favorites, but football is played on the field, not on paper.

I should admit that it is also a good point of view. The Chelsea example is a really good one indeed. They didn't do the expected thing from them in the Premier League. But they were fully focused on the Champions League and this led them to the title in this tournament. So we should really not be so sure about it. But Chelsea really don't seem like they can make it to the title this time. But it looks like it's the best to wait for the next stage to start and observe their performance. Then, I can have a clearer opinion.

They are more complete, organized, and confident than they were last season when they won it. By this time last season, Lampard had lost his job and the entire team was in a state of flux; no one had considered them a contender, but they stunned the world and won. Never say never in football until the final whistle.

Quote from: SquirrelJulietGarden on December 29, 2021, 12:02:09 PM

Problems of Manchester City are similar to PSG. They are strong enough and need a little more luck to win it. Sooner or later they will win and get Champions League trophy.

Manchester City is in desperate need of luck. While PSG needs some teamwork and experience, I consider Manchester city as the most complete and well-organized squad in the competition this season.

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Quote from: Iranus on December 29, 2021, 11:52:32 AM

Quote from: TopT3ns on December 29, 2021, 10:40:23 AM

City doesn't have the mentality to win in the champions league, as evidenced by the transfer of jor2an they have not been able to win the champions league at all even almost 4 years under Pep City's care always failed in the champions league. Maybe it's the Premier League, there is a possibility that City can win, but it's not the case with the Champions League because it's quite impossible for City. I sure this years is not moment for City can success and get trophy in champion league.

How can you be sure that City will not win the Champions League? Where their performance in the Champions League is impressive.
They finished the first round from the top of Group A. They will play against Sporting in the round of 16. Relatively weak opponent. I think Manchester will win easily in this round too. Manchester City players are playing well. Pep's strategy has improved. Isn't Manchester City a worthy candidate to win the City Champions League?

In my opinion, currently there are three strong teams that are candidates for champions champions this season, Liverpool, Manchester City and PSG, but among the three teams I think PSG and Manchester City are the most likely teams to win the Champions League, just like you, I think the performances of the two teams were quite impressive this season and which is the reason why I predict that one of the two teams will be able to get their first champions league trophy this season, but now PSG have left their opponents in the league with a pretty far point difference, and their has a greater focus in champions league match than Manchester City which is now also the champion of the English Premier League half season.

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