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Quote from: hahay on December 11, 2021, 03:54:59 AM

Quote from: borovichok on December 10, 2021, 09:22:46 PM

Quote from: kassex on December 10, 2021, 02:51:42 PM

Contrary to the majority of Barcelona fans, I do not believe that Xavi will be able to revive Barcelona. He has no experience of building a team from scratch. Barcelona needs to build a new team. Guardiola's situation was much easier and in those days many clubs were in decline. Now there are many strong clubs, and Barcelona, in addition to financial problems, has staffing problems. There are no players around whom to build a team. So Barcelona has a long recovery ahead of it, possibly 3-5 years.

You can't blame Xavi in any of this happening in Barcelona, prior to him becoming the coach of Barca we all knows that Barca are going out of the champions League group stage,you can not say he can't create a team when you have not giving him a try,yea I agree with you that pep case is different but we should give Hernandez time,he won trophies at a new team at Qatar as a player and as a coach.the January market is around the corner let's see how they support him because I know he might have discuss about such things before taking the job.

I think there has been some news out there before with a statement about some of them having an expectation on Xavi to get back to his best for Barcelona quickly and not only that, after Barcelona lost by Betis during press conference Xavi said he had a goal of winning against Bayern Munich and it was a form of protection against defeat against Betis in Laliga. There is nothing wrong with that statement, but at least it would be better to express the team's condition more openly, because the results that have been obtained so far are not in line with what was previously expected. However, Xavi still doesn't have enough flying hours in terms of coaching and to build a big team with big problems facing him is certainly not easy and Xavi still needs a lot of time and can't be solved quickly. His success with the Qatar team cannot be used as a reference that Xavi is a great coach because after all, their caste, gameplay, culture etc. are certainly different and their case really cannot be considered the same challenge.

the management and coaches who cover up the problems that are happening now. but things like this will only aggravate the club itself.
they have to be humble in this matter because their current condition does not allow them to compete besides that they now have to be prepared to accept all the results regardless of defeat or victory. because exaggerating reasons will only make things worse

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Manchester United can win the Champions League, they are getting back to winning ways,game after game,I hope the coach geta suitable formation and tactics that suits the set of players present in Manchester United.
It's embarrassing going without a major trophy year after year.

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Quote from: Joca97 on December 11, 2021, 05:17:35 PM

No body honestly expected Chelsea to win last season the Champions league. So far they are doing really good and they can reach at least the semi finals but i honestly see Bayern Munich winning the champions league title this season they have far the best team

Many see chelsea as the favorite because he is the defending champion.
But without a doubt, there are many more opponents to match Chelsea this season than in any of the competition's previous editions. So I'm betting it carefully.

I still don't know who to bet on as champion, I prefer to bet on individual matches, as the competition is very tight.

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Quote from: lulumiya on December 11, 2021, 05:00:33 PM

I have just started waiting for the draws to come. Last 16 should be even more delightful for all of us. We have big candidates for the championship on the table. But the thing I'm mostly wondering is whether we will see a surprising team reaching the title again. For example, I wasn't expecting Chelsea to win the championship last season.

No body honestly expected Chelsea to win last season the Champions league. So far they are doing really good and they can reach at least the semi finals but i honestly see Bayern Munich winning the champions league title this season they have far the best team

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I have just started waiting for the draws to come. Last 16 should be even more delightful for all of us. We have big candidates for the championship on the table. But the thing I'm mostly wondering is whether we will see a surprising team reaching the title again. For example, I wasn't expecting Chelsea to win the championship last season.

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Quote from: KingsDen on December 11, 2021, 04:41:37 PM

You people should avoid Ronaldo now lolz.
Manchester United is struggling now and do not need Psg, infact ATM will be a better option please.
When Messi sees Ronaldo now, or vice versa they will just change the game to personal battle.
That would have been fine if Manchester United should be in a good form.

Manchester United did well in the Champions League stage, but it was very different in the Premier League. So far Manchester United are targeting a win to get into the top 4 of the standings and therefore they must try hard to win 3 points every match. I'm not so sure about them in the Champions League competition even though Ronaldo has contributed a lot for Manchester United over the years. I think they can only reach 1/8 final.

Quote from: KingsDen on December 11, 2021, 04:41:37 PM

As for Barcelona, going to Europa is not the problem. The problem is that will they survive there or will still crash out. Grin

Barcelona have suffered enough, so let them win something this season in the Europa League because I think Laliga is this season for Real Madrid. :v

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Quote from: mv1986 on December 11, 2021, 08:02:07 AM

Quote from: joker_josue on December 11, 2021, 06:59:25 AM

Quote from: DU18 on December 11, 2021, 03:45:41 AM

It's really strange to see this season the last 16 without Barcelona, because we know that Barcelona was previously a fairly consistent club in the champions league, my prediction is that maybe there will be some big games that occur in the draw later, I want to see a meeting between Messi (PSG) and Ronaldo (manchester) in the last 16 later.

This is the game most awaited by fans, that it happens. But it may never come to pass.
Despite PSG and Man United, they will be two great teams, this season is not going as well as expected. Both teams finished in second place and both had the same points, not being able to show a big difference in stage to the other clubs in the group.

It is now 18 years ago that Fc Barcelona missed the final round of the Champions League for the last time. 18 years...

As for Ronaldo and Messi meeting in the final round, yes that would be awesome. I already miss those clashes between them that they had in the Primera Division, let's hope there will be at least another one or two duels between them.

You people should avoid Ronaldo now lolz.
Manchester United is struggling now and do not need Psg, infact ATM will be a better option please.
When Messi sees Ronaldo now, or vice versa they will just change the game to personal battle.
That would have been fine if Manchester United should be in a good form.
As for Barcelona, going to Europa is not the problem. The problem is that will they survive there or will still crash out. Grin

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Quote from: kassex on December 11, 2021, 12:37:59 PM

Quote from: borovichok on December 10, 2021, 09:22:46 PM

Quote from: kassex on December 10, 2021, 02:51:42 PM

Contrary to the majority of Barcelona fans, I do not believe that Xavi will be able to revive Barcelona. He has no experience of building a team from scratch. Barcelona needs to build a new team. Guardiola's situation was much easier and in those days many clubs were in decline. Now there are many strong clubs, and Barcelona, in addition to financial problems, has staffing problems. There are no players around whom to build a team. So Barcelona has a long recovery ahead of it, possibly 3-5 years.

You can't blame Xavi in any of this happening in Barcelona, prior to him becoming the coach of Barca we all knows that Barca are going out of the champions League group stage,you can not say he can't create a team when you have not giving him a try,yea I agree with you that pep case is different but we should give Hernandez time,he won trophies at a new team at Qatar as a player and as a coach.the January market is around the corner let's see how they support him because I know he might have discuss about such things before taking the job.

I don’t blame Xavi for Barcelona’s problems. You misunderstood me. At the moment, no coach with this squad will be able to show results. I think that Xavi will not be able to build a team. His experience in Qatar means nothing. He came to a strong team and he had unlimited resources. And the Qatar league is different from the Spanish league. It's a different level. I think Laporta will replace Xavi as soon as the financial problem in Barcelona is solved. And a completely different person will be building a new Barcelona.

A completely different person still also needs a completely different squad in order to be able to change and achieve anything at all. Xavi didn't get the timing right I think. His hope is he can turn things around, but there is nothing to turn around. The team is just quite bad. I agree that the experience from Qatar really doesn't count.

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Quote from: borovichok on December 10, 2021, 09:22:46 PM

Quote from: kassex on December 10, 2021, 02:51:42 PM

Contrary to the majority of Barcelona fans, I do not believe that Xavi will be able to revive Barcelona. He has no experience of building a team from scratch. Barcelona needs to build a new team. Guardiola's situation was much easier and in those days many clubs were in decline. Now there are many strong clubs, and Barcelona, in addition to financial problems, has staffing problems. There are no players around whom to build a team. So Barcelona has a long recovery ahead of it, possibly 3-5 years.

You can't blame Xavi in any of this happening in Barcelona, prior to him becoming the coach of Barca we all knows that Barca are going out of the champions League group stage,you can not say he can't create a team when you have not giving him a try,yea I agree with you that pep case is different but we should give Hernandez time,he won trophies at a new team at Qatar as a player and as a coach.the January market is around the corner let's see how they support him because I know he might have discuss about such things before taking the job.

I don’t blame Xavi for Barcelona’s problems. You misunderstood me. At the moment, no coach with this squad will be able to show results. I think that Xavi will not be able to build a team. His experience in Qatar means nothing. He came to a strong team and he had unlimited resources. And the Qatar league is different from the Spanish league. It's a different level. I think Laporta will replace Xavi as soon as the financial problem in Barcelona is solved. And a completely different person will be building a new Barcelona.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on December 11, 2021, 10:43:07 AM

PSG's current performance can't be said to be perfect even though they have lots of players who can be called avengers but their performance is still lacking with this list of players labeled as stars.
even this season I doubt they can contribute much to UCL if they can't reduce their ego because in some games I see that they are more concerned with ego than teamwork.
They have to reduce this attitude and in terms of coaching it looks like Poche should try to make new strategies because their tactics and strategies are very easy to read

PSG have a number of star-labeled players in their team but the performance they have produced doesn't seem extraordinary, I think it's true. The ego between players may be the reason why their form is not improving, but I think there are other problems that I think Pochettino needs to solve and one of them is the rotation of the midfielders. I don't know which player should fill this position on a regular basis in every game, but rotation is needed I think.

Messi and Mbappe seem to be getting along and supporting each other, so this will open up more opportunities for the team to win the match. Mbappe should be able to interact with Messi more, but he still needs a lot of time even though at some point Messi can help him get individual awards as the best player in the future. In the Champions League they both scored 2 goals in the last group stage match, and Mbappe provided a good assist for Messi.

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Quote from: Apes on December 10, 2021, 09:32:08 PM

Quote from: Pulsar77 on December 10, 2021, 03:45:59 PM

I'm getting excited already now about the next stages. The biggest candidates for the title are obvious already now for me. And I would really like to see PSG making it to the title this time. They have their biggest chance now as they have Messi, Mbappe and Neymar at the same time. In the next season, it seems like that at least Mbappe will leave the team. And this would be really bad for PSG.

PSG is one of the European teams that has the best squad and best striker in the world, but I don't see them growing since the arrival of messi, without rule out mbappe and neymar.
and I don't think PSG are the main candidates to win the Champions League this season, unless Messi can adapt quickly and become a goal machine like when he played at Barcelona, if he can, we can talk about the title.

PSG's current performance can't be said to be perfect even though they have lots of players who can be called avengers but their performance is still lacking with this list of players labeled as stars.
even this season I doubt they can contribute much to UCL if they can't reduce their ego because in some games I see that they are more concerned with ego than teamwork.
They have to reduce this attitude and in terms of coaching it looks like Poche should try to make new strategies because their tactics and strategies are very easy to read

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Quote from: Apes on December 10, 2021, 09:32:08 PM

Quote from: Pulsar77 on December 10, 2021, 03:45:59 PM

I'm getting excited already now about the next stages. The biggest candidates for the title are obvious already now for me. And I would really like to see PSG making it to the title this time. They have their biggest chance now as they have Messi, Mbappe and Neymar at the same time. In the next season, it seems like that at least Mbappe will leave the team. And this would be really bad for PSG.

PSG is one of the European teams that has the best squad and best striker in the world, but I don't see them growing since the arrival of messi, without rule out mbappe and neymar.
and I don't think PSG are the main candidates to win the Champions League this season, unless Messi can adapt quickly and become a goal machine like when he played at Barcelona, if he can, we can talk about the title.

Personally, I don't think that PSG will win the title of European champion this year.
PSG currently has probably the 3 strongest players in the world in the team, Messi, Neymar and Mbappe, but that does not mean that they have the strongest team, and this was well seen in the match against Manchester City.
They have individual quality but they are not a team.
Against weaker teams their individual quality is enough to win but against stronger teams it is not enough.
With three walkers on the team, who don’t play serious defense, it’s very hard to win Grin

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Quote from: joker_josue on December 11, 2021, 06:59:25 AM

Quote from: DU18 on December 11, 2021, 03:45:41 AM

It's really strange to see this season the last 16 without Barcelona, because we know that Barcelona was previously a fairly consistent club in the champions league, my prediction is that maybe there will be some big games that occur in the draw later, I want to see a meeting between Messi (PSG) and Ronaldo (manchester) in the last 16 later.

This is the game most awaited by fans, that it happens. But it may never come to pass.
Despite PSG and Man United, they will be two great teams, this season is not going as well as expected. Both teams finished in second place and both had the same points, not being able to show a big difference in stage to the other clubs in the group.

It is now 18 years ago that Fc Barcelona missed the final round of the Champions League for the last time. 18 years...

As for Ronaldo and Messi meeting in the final round, yes that would be awesome. I already miss those clashes between them that they had in the Primera Division, let's hope there will be at least another one or two duels between them.

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Quote from: DU18 on December 11, 2021, 03:45:41 AM

It's really strange to see this season the last 16 without Barcelona, because we know that Barcelona was previously a fairly consistent club in the champions league, my prediction is that maybe there will be some big games that occur in the draw later, I want to see a meeting between Messi (PSG) and Ronaldo (manchester) in the last 16 later.

This is the game most awaited by fans, that it happens. But it may never come to pass.
Despite PSG and Man United, they will be two great teams, this season is not going as well as expected. Both teams finished in second place and both had the same points, not being able to show a big difference in stage to the other clubs in the group.

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Quote from: borovichok on December 10, 2021, 09:22:46 PM

Quote from: kassex on December 10, 2021, 02:51:42 PM

Contrary to the majority of Barcelona fans, I do not believe that Xavi will be able to revive Barcelona. He has no experience of building a team from scratch. Barcelona needs to build a new team. Guardiola's situation was much easier and in those days many clubs were in decline. Now there are many strong clubs, and Barcelona, in addition to financial problems, has staffing problems. There are no players around whom to build a team. So Barcelona has a long recovery ahead of it, possibly 3-5 years.

You can't blame Xavi in any of this happening in Barcelona, prior to him becoming the coach of Barca we all knows that Barca are going out of the champions League group stage,you can not say he can't create a team when you have not giving him a try,yea I agree with you that pep case is different but we should give Hernandez time,he won trophies at a new team at Qatar as a player and as a coach.the January market is around the corner let's see how they support him because I know he might have discuss about such things before taking the job.

I think there has been some news out there before with a statement about some of them having an expectation on Xavi to get back to his best for Barcelona quickly and not only that, after Barcelona lost by Betis during press conference Xavi said he had a goal of winning against Bayern Munich and it was a form of protection against defeat against Betis in Laliga. There is nothing wrong with that statement, but at least it would be better to express the team's condition more openly, because the results that have been obtained so far are not in line with what was previously expected. However, Xavi still doesn't have enough flying hours in terms of coaching and to build a big team with big problems facing him is certainly not easy and Xavi still needs a lot of time and can't be solved quickly. His success with the Qatar team cannot be used as a reference that Xavi is a great coach because after all, their caste, gameplay, culture etc. are certainly different and their case really cannot be considered the same challenge.

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Quote from: Newlifebtc on December 10, 2021, 09:27:57 PM

When will be the draws for the round of sixteen be done ?
Barcelona's movement to the Europa wasn't what most expected anyways,but what can they do ?
The Barcelona defense needs improvement and upgrade.

Only a few more days the draw for the last 16 will take place, and it looks like we will find some big clubs who will beat each other in the last 16 later, barcelona performance this season has been affected quite a lot due to the financial problems they are currently experiencing, this season barcelona will play in the european league after the last time it happened in 2003/04, do you think this is the beginning of the downfall of barcelona?

Quote from: joker_josue on December 11, 2021, 03:16:20 AM

The draw will take place on Monday, December 13th.

"The draw takes place at UEFA headquarters in Nyon, Switzerland, on Monday 13 December. The ceremony begins at 12:00 CET, which is 11am in the UK and Portugal."
Source: https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/026f-13ac24551ac0-33ad3b5a37c0-1000--champions-league-round-of-16-draw-all-you-need-to-know/

It's really strange to see this season the last 16 without Barcelona, because we know that Barcelona was previously a fairly consistent club in the champions league, my prediction is that maybe there will be some big games that occur in the draw later, I want to see a meeting between Messi (PSG) and Ronaldo (manchester) in the last 16 later.

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Quote from: Newlifebtc on December 10, 2021, 09:27:57 PM

When will be the draws for the round of sixteen be done ?
Barcelona's movement to the Europa wasn't what most expected anyways,but what can they do ?
The Barcelona defense needs improvement and upgrade.

The draw will take place on Monday, December 13th.

"The draw takes place at UEFA headquarters in Nyon, Switzerland, on Monday 13 December. The ceremony begins at 12:00 CET, which is 11am in the UK and Portugal."
Source: https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/026f-13ac24551ac0-33ad3b5a37c0-1000--champions-league-round-of-16-draw-all-you-need-to-know/

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on December 10, 2021, 03:45:59 PM

I'm getting excited already now about the next stages. The biggest candidates for the title are obvious already now for me. And I would really like to see PSG making it to the title this time. They have their biggest chance now as they have Messi, Mbappe and Neymar at the same time. In the next season, it seems like that at least Mbappe will leave the team. And this would be really bad for PSG.

PSG is one of the European teams that has the best squad and best striker in the world, but I don't see them growing since the arrival of messi, without rule out mbappe and neymar.
and I don't think PSG are the main candidates to win the Champions League this season, unless Messi can adapt quickly and become a goal machine like when he played at Barcelona, if he can, we can talk about the title.

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When will be the draws for the round of sixteen be done ?
Barcelona's movement to the Europa wasn't what most expected anyways,but what can they do ?
The Barcelona defense needs improvement and upgrade.

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Quote from: kassex on December 10, 2021, 02:51:42 PM

Contrary to the majority of Barcelona fans, I do not believe that Xavi will be able to revive Barcelona. He has no experience of building a team from scratch. Barcelona needs to build a new team. Guardiola's situation was much easier and in those days many clubs were in decline. Now there are many strong clubs, and Barcelona, in addition to financial problems, has staffing problems. There are no players around whom to build a team. So Barcelona has a long recovery ahead of it, possibly 3-5 years.

You can't blame Xavi in any of this happening in Barcelona, prior to him becoming the coach of Barca we all knows that Barca are going out of the champions League group stage,you can not say he can't create a team when you have not giving him a try,yea I agree with you that pep case is different but we should give Hernandez time,he won trophies at a new team at Qatar as a player and as a coach.the January market is around the corner let's see how they support him because I know he might have discuss about such things before taking the job.

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