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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on October 25, 2021, 07:09:24 PM

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In Group D, the Sheriff's dream will come to an end. Real Madrid and Inter manage to get out of the group.

The Sheriff still has hope while Inter must not make any more mistakes with a draw this will threaten Inter Milan not to qualify so the competition in Group D with the Sheriff will continue until the next match between Inter vs Sheriff.
The Sheriff and Madrid have 6 points if they both win then that goes to the next round, so Inter Milan are still trying to win this is a big challenge and Simone Inzhage should be able to take their team through as well.

Sheriff is still very much in the tournament but that's if they can manage to win at least 2 of their last 3 group stage game as that would give them a really good chance against Inter for second place spot. But I would prefer if teams like this are knocked out early in the tournament otherwise, they might just go on to lose it.

First of all, if Inter Milan wants to go to the next round, they have to win this match, otherwise it will be challenging for them to go to the next round. Since Sheriff is now in a stable position. The Sheriff will want to draw their next matches. Their big achievement is that they were able to beat Real Madrid. However, Inter Milan will not give any chance to the Sheriff team, they are an experienced team. They will be able to win the match by reigning.

Sheriff Tiraspol's big chance is only third place, Madrid and Inter even though they are only in second and third place at the moment, but that doesn't mean Madrid and Inter will give up easily. Madrid and Inter have a winning mentality that is no longer in doubt, Sheriff Tiraspol's victory at the start was just an initial surprise that I personally am not sure Sheriff Tiraspol will be able to maintain for the second match against Madrid later. At least it has been proven from yesterday's match when Sheriff Tiraspol lost 3-1 by Inter, maybe Sheriff Tiraspol will still win against Shakhtar Donetsk and it will only make him have 9 points at the end. If Inter can win in their remaining 2 matches against Shakhtar Donetsk and Sheriff Tiraspol then obviously, Inter will have a final 10 points meaning Madrid and Inter are very likely to fill the first and second places.

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Quote from: nelson4lov on October 25, 2021, 04:56:37 PM

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In Group D, the Sheriff's dream will come to an end. Real Madrid and Inter manage to get out of the group.

The Sheriff still has hope while Inter must not make any more mistakes with a draw this will threaten Inter Milan not to qualify so the competition in Group D with the Sheriff will continue until the next match between Inter vs Sheriff.
The Sheriff and Madrid have 6 points if they both win then that goes to the next round, so Inter Milan are still trying to win this is a big challenge and Simone Inzhage should be able to take their team through as well.

Sheriff is still very much in the tournament but that's if they can manage to win at least 2 of their last 3 group stage game as that would give them a really good chance against Inter for second place spot. But I would prefer if teams like this are knocked out early in the tournament otherwise, they might just go on to lose it.

First of all, if Inter Milan wants to go to the next round, they have to win this match, otherwise it will be challenging for them to go to the next round. Since Sheriff is now in a stable position. The Sheriff will want to draw their next matches. Their big achievement is that they were able to beat Real Madrid. However, Inter Milan will not give any chance to the Sheriff team, they are an experienced team. They will be able to win the match by reigning.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on October 25, 2021, 02:04:42 AM

Personally, I don’t think Barcelona have time to wait a few years. Changes in football happen very quickly and if you can’t keep up with those changes, then you fall away as a relevant factor.
Top players want to play in clubs that guarantee them trophies and victories, and they can also pay well. Personally, if I were a top player and I got an offer from Barcelona, a club that can no longer guarantee trophies and money, and Newcastle that will soon be able to guarantee both trophies and money, I know which club I would choose. It has already happened in football that some clubs that used to be greats and European champions, such as HSV or Nottingham Forest, later fail and become irrelevant.
Barcelona don't have much time to fix their catastrophic financial situation and avoid such a scenario.

Very rarely, serious changes occur without consequences and in a short time. You can talk as much as you like about whether Barcelona has time to transform or not, but the fact remains that in its current state, Barcelona is unlikely to be able to claim the title of the winner of the Champions League. Regarding Newcastle, I would like to say that the project is just being launched and is only in the initial stages, and therefore it is not a fact that a potential player will necessarily rush to Newcastle, yet the status of Barcelona for players at this point in time is much higher and Newcastle will need to pay potential highly qualified newcomers much more than Barcelona so that they choose an English club.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on October 25, 2021, 08:59:10 AM

Quote from: W Jr. on October 25, 2021, 03:02:09 AM

In Group D, the Sheriff's dream will come to an end. Real Madrid and Inter manage to get out of the group.

The Sheriff still has hope while Inter must not make any more mistakes with a draw this will threaten Inter Milan not to qualify so the competition in Group D with the Sheriff will continue until the next match between Inter vs Sheriff.
The Sheriff and Madrid have 6 points if they both win then that goes to the next round, so Inter Milan are still trying to win this is a big challenge and Simone Inzhage should be able to take their team through as well.

Sheriff is still very much in the tournament but that's if they can manage to win at least 2 of their last 3 group stage game as that would give them a really good chance against Inter for second place spot. But I would prefer if teams like this are knocked out early in the tournament otherwise, they might just go on to lose it.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on October 23, 2021, 05:44:01 AM

Barcelona has huge problems due to large financial debts, poor organization of the club, disturbed relations between players and management, incompetent management etc.
Messi's departure was logical and expected due to all these problems.
Barcelona needs a good striker? Maybe Suarez? Grin

In fact, Barcelona now urgently needs a lot of money to save itself from financial ruin and going into football mediocrity.
They can forget about some great football successes and trophies in the next few years.
It's obvious that Barcelona is not the favorite in the Champions League this year and they are still not sure that they will pass the group stage of this competition.

This is what bothers me with the situation Barcelona is going through, they had one of the best players and one of the best runs we have ever seen and yet they are in financial issues, where all that money went? How they could get in such financial issues on the first place? After all even if there are many true fans that will keep supporting the team there are many fans that will switch to other teams if Barcelona does not improve and do so soon, and this could make their money issues even bigger than what they are right now.

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Quote from: poldanmig on October 25, 2021, 09:48:39 AM

Quote from: Furious 7 on October 25, 2021, 08:59:10 AM

Quote from: W Jr. on October 25, 2021, 03:02:09 AM

In Group D, the Sheriff's dream will come to an end. Real Madrid and Inter manage to get out of the group.

The Sheriff still has hope while Inter must not make any more mistakes with a draw this will threaten Inter Milan not to qualify so the competition in Group D with the Sheriff will continue until the next match between Inter vs Sheriff.
The Sheriff and Madrid have 6 points if they both win then that goes to the next round, so Inter Milan are still trying to win this is a big challenge and Simone Inzhage should be able to take their team through as well.

I think Intermilan will play his best game in that match, moreover the result of Intermilan match against the sheriff will decide the fate of Intermilan, looking at last week game when Intermilan beat the sheriff, I think Intermilan will have no trouble winning the second meeting even though the Sheriff is playing at home, I personally agree with @W jr that this season the sheriff journey will only reach the group phase.

Actually, I enjoyed the game domination. Dzeko's goal on the fly that gave us immense joy after a series of wasted scoring. However, one of the issues i have with Inter their poor finishing. All their forwards always shoot at random on goal.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on October 25, 2021, 08:59:10 AM

Quote from: W Jr. on October 25, 2021, 03:02:09 AM

In Group D, the Sheriff's dream will come to an end. Real Madrid and Inter manage to get out of the group.

The Sheriff still has hope while Inter must not make any more mistakes with a draw this will threaten Inter Milan not to qualify so the competition in Group D with the Sheriff will continue until the next match between Inter vs Sheriff.
The Sheriff and Madrid have 6 points if they both win then that goes to the next round, so Inter Milan are still trying to win this is a big challenge and Simone Inzhage should be able to take their team through as well.

I think Intermilan will play his best game in that match, moreover the result of Intermilan match against the sheriff will decide the fate of Intermilan, looking at last week game when Intermilan beat the sheriff, I think Intermilan will have no trouble winning the second meeting even though the Sheriff is playing at home, I personally agree with @W jr that this season the sheriff journey will only reach the group phase.

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Quote from: W Jr. on October 25, 2021, 03:02:09 AM

In Group D, the Sheriff's dream will come to an end. Real Madrid and Inter manage to get out of the group.

The Sheriff still has hope while Inter must not make any more mistakes with a draw this will threaten Inter Milan not to qualify so the competition in Group D with the Sheriff will continue until the next match between Inter vs Sheriff.
The Sheriff and Madrid have 6 points if they both win then that goes to the next round, so Inter Milan are still trying to win this is a big challenge and Simone Inzhage should be able to take their team through as well.

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Quote from: KingsDen on October 25, 2021, 07:11:06 AM

Quote from: Daniel91 on October 25, 2021, 02:04:42 AM

Personally, I don’t think Barcelona have time to wait a few years.
Changes in football happen very quickly and if you can’t keep up with those changes, then you fall away as a relevant factor.
Top players want to play in clubs that guarantee them trophies and victories, and they can also pay well.
Personally, if I were a top player and I got an offer from Barcelona, a club that can no longer guarantee trophies and money, and Newcastle that will soon be able to guarantee both trophies and money, I know which club I would choose.
It has already happened in football that some clubs that used to be greats and European champions, such as HSV or Nottingham Forest, later fail and become irrelevant.
Barcelona don't have much time to fix their catastrophic financial situation and avoid such a scenario.

But, if you were to be a footballer that wants trophies and not money per say. And you are given an offer of Barcelona and Newcastle, will you choose Newcastle over Barcelona?
No matter the present financial conditions of Barcelona, they can never be compared to Newcastle, and Newcastle cannot be better than Barcelona even in 10yrs time.
If Koeman can be coordinated and be realistic, he still have many good players in his team.
He should just focus on League or Champions league and get one. He can do it with nice strategies and by resting players against the title of his choice.

Agreed, Barcelona is a brand itself. If I am offered a contract from both Barca and Newcastle, I'd definitely choose Barca if I'm in the early stages of my career. Because I'll get the environment for my development and recognition as well. But If I'm offered a contract from Newcastle in the ending part of my career, I'd definitely take that. Yes, Barcelona is struggling with almost everything at the moment, but within a season or two, they will recover from this.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on October 23, 2021, 05:44:01 AM

Barcelona has huge problems due to large financial debts, poor organization of the club, disturbed relations between players and management, incompetent management etc.
Messi's departure was logical and expected due to all these problems.
Barcelona needs a good striker? Maybe Suarez? Grin

In fact, Barcelona now urgently needs a lot of money to save itself from financial ruin and going into football mediocrity.
They can forget about some great football successes and trophies in the next few years.
It's obvious that Barcelona is not the favorite in the Champions League this year and they are still not sure that they will pass the group stage of this competition.

^ Barcelona is facing some real problems right now because they are in a really bad cycle. If they sell some players in the upcoming transfer window, they might not be able to stay in the top 4, so they won't be able to play champions league, so they will get less money. They can't buy anyone too. They can't even sack their manager because if they sack him, as per rules they have to pay the whole contract length. They can't afford that right now. So I think they just need to survive for 2-3 seasons then get some financial stability. Then Maybe they can buy some players.

Personally, I don’t think Barcelona have time to wait a few years.
Changes in football happen very quickly and if you can’t keep up with those changes, then you fall away as a relevant factor.
Top players want to play in clubs that guarantee them trophies and victories, and they can also pay well.
Personally, if I were a top player and I got an offer from Barcelona, a club that can no longer guarantee trophies and money, and Newcastle that will soon be able to guarantee both trophies and money, I know which club I would choose.
It has already happened in football that some clubs that used to be greats and European champions, such as HSV or Nottingham Forest, later fail and become irrelevant.
Barcelona don't have much time to fix their catastrophic financial situation and avoid such a scenario.

But, if you were to be a footballer that wants trophies and not money per say. And you are given an offer of Barcelona and Newcastle, will you choose Newcastle over Barcelona?
No matter the present financial conditions of Barcelona, they can never be compared to Newcastle, and Newcastle cannot be better than Barcelona even in 10yrs time.
If Koeman can be coordinated and be realistic, he still have many good players in his team.
He should just focus on League or Champions league and get one. He can do it with nice strategies and by resting players against the title of his choice.

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If we take an overview of the first 4 groups:

City and Paris SG can go to the next round together in Group A.

We can say that Liverpool made it to the top round in Group B. The chances of the other three teams still remain mathematically.

In group C, we can say that Ajax has left the group. The match to be played between Sporting-BvB will determine the other winner.

In Group D, the Sheriff's dream will come to an end. Real Madrid and Inter manage to get out of the group.

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What Barcelona needs at the point in time is a new manager, xavi Hernandez will get the job to be straight.
The system of the catalians has been tiki taka, off which I know the current Barcelona team lacks.
They have a good striker, Sergio Aguero is a good one to fill up the gap.
Younger lads like Dest and Fati can gel in when a new manager comes through.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on October 23, 2021, 05:44:01 AM

Barcelona has huge problems due to large financial debts, poor organization of the club, disturbed relations between players and management, incompetent management etc.
Messi's departure was logical and expected due to all these problems.
Barcelona needs a good striker? Maybe Suarez? Grin

In fact, Barcelona now urgently needs a lot of money to save itself from financial ruin and going into football mediocrity.
They can forget about some great football successes and trophies in the next few years.
It's obvious that Barcelona is not the favorite in the Champions League this year and they are still not sure that they will pass the group stage of this competition.

^ Barcelona is facing some real problems right now because they are in a really bad cycle. If they sell some players in the upcoming transfer window, they might not be able to stay in the top 4, so they won't be able to play champions league, so they will get less money. They can't buy anyone too. They can't even sack their manager because if they sack him, as per rules they have to pay the whole contract length. They can't afford that right now. So I think they just need to survive for 2-3 seasons then get some financial stability. Then Maybe they can buy some players.

Personally, I don’t think Barcelona have time to wait a few years.
Changes in football happen very quickly and if you can’t keep up with those changes, then you fall away as a relevant factor.
Top players want to play in clubs that guarantee them trophies and victories, and they can also pay well.
Personally, if I were a top player and I got an offer from Barcelona, a club that can no longer guarantee trophies and money, and Newcastle that will soon be able to guarantee both trophies and money, I know which club I would choose.
It has already happened in football that some clubs that used to be greats and European champions, such as HSV or Nottingham Forest, later fail and become irrelevant.
Barcelona don't have much time to fix their catastrophic financial situation and avoid such a scenario.

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I do not think that anyone will condemn Koeman for the defeat in the classic - Real looks much stronger than Barcelona, which is in a difficult situation through no fault of the coach. But if Barcelona lose their next Champions League game, then that could really be a reason for retirement. Dynamo Kiev is not a strong opponent at the moment and a defeat will cost Barcelona an entry to the playoffs.

your words are true and proved in the elclasico they lost to real madrid.
but at least their performance is starting to improve even though they did lose but their game has changed little by little and is not as bad as in UCL.

speaking of UCL their chances are still alive with a record that they must be able to get full points against Dynamo Kiev and the mistakes they made against Benfica they must be able to fix it.
Let's put aside Bayern which will not be able to be overtaken easily and Barcelona must be able to be in second place at least so that they can continue to the next round.

I was actually criticising Koeman before now, but I later understood that Barcelona's problem is not 100%.
I see Koeman as a soldier sent to a war front, given a gun of 12 rounds, then loaded just 5 bullets in it. You wouldn't know when to fire or not hence all the 5 bullets are critical and important.
Club with such a financial crisis needs time to heal. Yet, Barcelona is condending in league and yet we are expecting much in UCL.
Any result should be appreciated. But for Dynamo Kyiv, Barcelona needs 3points, it's not a choice but a necessity.

OK, maybe Koeman came at the wrong time because when Koeman came Barcelona were in a crippled condition and with internal chaos they kept going.
But indeed, when you look at the fans from Barcelona, in fact, they definitely don't want to see their favorite team lose and one of those who will definitely be affected by Barcelona's continuous defeats must be the coach who is to blame.
and indeed the consequences must be like that and this applies not only to Barcelona, but all teams.
any results need to be appreciated according to your words but still when they want to move to the next round full points must be taken immediately

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Quote from: W Jr. on October 24, 2021, 07:38:56 AM

Shakhtar Donetsk is getting very bad results in the champions league this year. Losing 5-0 to Real Madrid in Ukraine was one of these bad results. They are last in the group and have only 1 point. If the Sheriff miracle continues, we may not even see Shakhtar Donetsk in the European league. Another team that fell short of expectations is Beşiktaş. They are last in their group. They hasn't scored yet. The Champions League continues this year with more excitement.

Shakhtar is no longer the team they used to be 4 or 5 seasons back. Before they were considered one of the better teams in the CL. But now that's not the case. I don't think they will be able to qualify in the next round over Inter or Sheriff as Real Madrid is confirmed to qualify. Even Besiktas are also not having a good time on the pitch.

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These are going to be very important weeks for Barcelona and especially for Koeman. I don't really like him as a manager and I think if he loses the Clasico now and then maybe has another fail in the next game in the Champions League, there are even tougher times ahead than is already the case. How would the club stick to Koeman without their fans freaking out? That's impossible.

I do not think that anyone will condemn Koeman for the defeat in the classic - Real looks much stronger than Barcelona, which is in a difficult situation through no fault of the coach. But if Barcelona lose their next Champions League game, then that could really be a reason for retirement. Dynamo Kiev is not a strong opponent at the moment and a defeat will cost Barcelona an entry to the playoffs.

your words are true and proved in the elclasico they lost to real madrid.
but at least their performance is starting to improve even though they did lose but their game has changed little by little and is not as bad as in UCL.

speaking of UCL their chances are still alive with a record that they must be able to get full points against Dynamo Kiev and the mistakes they made against Benfica they must be able to fix it.
Let's put aside Bayern which will not be able to be overtaken easily and Barcelona must be able to be in second place at least so that they can continue to the next round.

I was actually criticising Koeman before now, but I later understood that Barcelona's problem is not 100%.
I see Koeman as a soldier sent to a war front, given a gun of 12 rounds, then loaded just 5 bullets in it. You wouldn't know when to fire or not hence all the 5 bullets are critical and important.
Club with such a financial crisis needs time to heal. Yet, Barcelona is condending in league and yet we are expecting much in UCL.
Any result should be appreciated. But for Dynamo Kyiv, Barcelona needs 3points, it's not a choice but a necessity.

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Quote from: mv1986 on October 23, 2021, 04:30:52 PM

These are going to be very important weeks for Barcelona and especially for Koeman. I don't really like him as a manager and I think if he loses the Clasico now and then maybe has another fail in the next game in the Champions League, there are even tougher times ahead than is already the case. How would the club stick to Koeman without their fans freaking out? That's impossible.

I do not think that anyone will condemn Koeman for the defeat in the classic - Real looks much stronger than Barcelona, which is in a difficult situation through no fault of the coach. But if Barcelona lose their next Champions League game, then that could really be a reason for retirement. Dynamo Kiev is not a strong opponent at the moment and a defeat will cost Barcelona an entry to the playoffs.

your words are true and proved in the elclasico they lost to real madrid.
but at least their performance is starting to improve even though they did lose but their game has changed little by little and is not as bad as in UCL.

speaking of UCL their chances are still alive with a record that they must be able to get full points against Dynamo Kiev and the mistakes they made against Benfica they must be able to fix it.
Let's put aside Bayern which will not be able to be overtaken easily and Barcelona must be able to be in second place at least so that they can continue to the next round.

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Barcelona has huge problems due to large financial debts, poor organization of the club, disturbed relations between players and management, incompetent management etc.
Messi's departure was logical and expected due to all these problems.
Barcelona needs a good striker? Maybe Suarez? Grin

In fact, Barcelona now urgently needs a lot of money to save itself from financial ruin and going into football mediocrity.
They can forget about some great football successes and trophies in the next few years.
It's obvious that Barcelona is not the favorite in the Champions League this year and they are still not sure that they will pass the group stage of this competition.

^ Barcelona is facing some real problems right now because they are in a really bad cycle. If they sell some players in the upcoming transfer window, they might not be able to stay in the top 4, so they won't be able to play champions league, so they will get less money. They can't buy anyone too. They can't even sack their manager because if they sack him, as per rules they have to pay the whole contract length. They can't afford that right now. So I think they just need to survive for 2-3 seasons then get some financial stability. Then Maybe they can buy some players.

These are going to be very important weeks for Barcelona and especially for Koeman. I don't really like him as a manager and I think if he loses the Clasico now and then maybe has another fail in the next game in the Champions League, there are even tougher times ahead than is already the case. How would the club stick to Koeman without their fans freaking out? That's impossible.

I personally remember Koeman as a player and back then I really loved watching him.
His goal in the final against Sampdoria in 1992 brought first European champions title for Barcelona.
Unfortunately, as a coach he is very stubborn and irritating and has very poor communication with the players.
Didn't he insist that Suarez had to leave Barcelona and that he don't need such a player, and forced Suarez to leave Barcelona for Atletico in tears practically for free?
It was the biggest mistake of his life because Suarez was a key player for Atetico in their quest for the Spanish title.
I think he should have been fired in Barcelona even then.

Very well said and keep in mind, Suarez was more than just a key player for the team, he was also an absolute key player for Messi! I am not referring to their friendship (which might also play a role, I don't know), but their harmony to play with each other on the pitch, to wish the teammate success, leave a penalty for the other guy, no how your teammate moves, and in the end, both are the ultimate strikers that can score from everywhere. Suarez, just think about the number of free kicks he won in favor of Barcelona close to the box. The two guys, there were so many synergies, Suarez should have stayed in Barcelona.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on October 24, 2021, 06:50:12 AM

I personally remember Koeman as a player and back then I really loved watching him.
His goal in the final against Sampdoria in 1992 brought first European champions title for Barcelona.
Unfortunately, as a coach he is very stubborn and irritating and has very poor communication with the players.
Didn't he insist that Suarez had to leave Barcelona and that he don't need such a player, and forced Suarez to leave Barcelona for Atletico in tears practically for free?
It was the biggest mistake of his life because Suarez was a key player for Atetico in their quest for the Spanish title.
I think he should have been fired in Barcelona even then.

I didn't see how the player Koeman was but I for sure can say that as a coach he is very bad in my eyes. First of all, he sent Suarez off by saying that he's not capable to be in his team. The irony is that they lost against Atletico with Suarez's goal. The worst part is that he is very arrogant. You cannot be this much arrogant while managing a team like Barcelona.

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After a tough win over Atalanta 2 weeks away they will meet in Italy at home Atalanta. Man United's performance in the first leg was very unconvincing. They even trailed by 2 goals first. Last game there was a slight error on Atalanta so they failed to bring home the points. Tomorrow they will play at home, Man United should be wary they might lose. Atalanta will excel playing at home, while Man United is unstable. What do you think? Can Man United still win? Even if you look at Man United's players, they excel on all fronts.

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