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October 24, 2021, 09:32:45 AM
We could be witnessing a resurrection by Barcelona from now on. They have started getting good results lately. First, they won their La Liga match against Valencia and then they defeated Dynamo Kyiv by 1-0 by having a very big dominance in Camp Nou. Bayern Munich's results(s) they got and will get against Benfica can help Barcelona rise to the second place. Let's see what Barcelona will do against Dynamo away.

Barcelona has found their form back after Aguero and Ansu Fati have returned to the pitch. This also gave a boost to their morale which is also an important factor. The win against Valencia was an important one. Also, the El Classico will also be the moment of truth for them. Hope they will do good in the next few matches.
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October 24, 2021, 09:07:31 AM
We could be witnessing a resurrection by Barcelona from now on. They have started getting good results lately. First, they won their La Liga match against Valencia and then they defeated Dynamo Kyiv by 1-0 by having a very big dominance in Camp Nou. Bayern Munich's results(s) they got and will get against Benfica can help Barcelona rise to the second place. Let's see what Barcelona will do against Dynamo away.
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October 24, 2021, 08:38:56 AM
Shakhtar Donetsk is getting very bad results in the champions league this year. Losing 5-0 to Real Madrid in Ukraine was one of these bad results. They are last in the group and have only 1 point. If the Sheriff miracle continues, we may not even see Shakhtar Donetsk in the European league. Another team that fell short of expectations is Beşiktaş. They are last in their group. They hasn't scored yet. The Champions League continues this year with more excitement.
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October 24, 2021, 08:28:43 AM
Juventus have had a really huge form in the recent times. They got their third win in three games in the Champions League against Zenit by 1-0. Kulusevski scored in the last minutes and gathered three points for his team. And Juventus haven't lost in any of their last eight games and won seven of those games. It seems like Allegri started to manage the team just the way the supporters want.

Dependence on Ronaldo slowly began to disappear, they have started to find a new game. The arrival of ronaldo seemed to spoil the rhythm of the typical Juventus game. In the last six matches they are unbeaten. Their defense also looks tidier, maybe this is also a factor of a better coach than Pirlo. Next month Juve will play against Zenit again at home, I think they need to get 3 points to lead Group H.
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October 24, 2021, 08:10:14 AM
Juventus have had a really huge form in the recent times. They got their third win in three games in the Champions League against Zenit by 1-0. Kulusevski scored in the last minutes and gathered three points for his team. And Juventus haven't lost in any of their last eight games and won seven of those games. It seems like Allegri started to manage the team just the way the supporters want.
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October 24, 2021, 07:50:12 AM


Barcelona has huge problems due to large financial debts, poor organization of the club, disturbed relations between players and management, incompetent management etc.
Messi's departure was logical and expected due to all these problems.
Barcelona needs a good striker? Maybe Suarez?  Grin Grin
In fact, Barcelona now urgently needs a lot of money to save itself from financial ruin and going into football mediocrity.
They can forget about some great football successes and trophies in the next few years.
It's obvious that Barcelona is not the favorite in the Champions League this year and they are still not sure that they will pass the group stage of this competition.

^ Barcelona is facing some real problems right now because they are in a really bad cycle. If they sell some players in the upcoming transfer window, they might not be able to stay in the top 4, so they won't be able to play champions league, so they will get less money. They can't buy anyone too. They can't even sack their manager because if they sack him, as per rules they have to pay the whole contract length. They can't afford that right now. So I think they just need to survive for 2-3 seasons then get some financial stability. Then Maybe they can buy some players.

These are going to be very important weeks for Barcelona and especially for Koeman. I don't really like him as a manager and I think if he loses the Clasico now and then maybe has another fail in the next game in the Champions League, there are even tougher times ahead than is already the case. How would the club stick to Koeman without their fans freaking out? That's impossible.

I personally remember Koeman as a player and back then I really loved watching him.
His goal in the final against Sampdoria in 1992 brought first European champions title for Barcelona.
Unfortunately, as a coach he is very stubborn and irritating and has very poor communication with the players.
Didn't he insist that Suarez had to leave Barcelona and that he don't need such a player, and forced Suarez to leave Barcelona for Atletico in tears practically for free?
It was the biggest mistake of his life because Suarez was a key player for Atetico in their quest for the Spanish title.
I think he should have been fired in Barcelona even then.
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October 23, 2021, 06:08:20 PM
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I do not think that anyone will condemn Koeman for the defeat in the classic - Real looks much stronger than Barcelona, which is in a difficult situation through no fault of the coach. But if Barcelona lose their next Champions League game, then that could really be a reason for retirement. Dynamo Kiev is not a strong opponent at the moment and a defeat will cost Barcelona an entry to the playoffs.
Barcelona looks really weak in tommorows elclasico,i think real madrid has an amazing chance to win against Barcelona and put them a few places back. Reals attack is much better then Barcelonas currently and i dont trust Kooman at all as a barcelona coach
If Koeman is able to prove that he won in El Clasico then he still has hope to be believed by many people including Real Madrid is a tough opponent for now because in difficult times for Barcelona who face more difficult opponents then I predict this will make it easier for Madrid to win.

However, Koemna must be able to believe in players who are mentally weak at this time and with any strategy or tactics can change players but this is a tough thing after El Clasico and has to challenge the UCL again.
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October 23, 2021, 05:55:52 PM
These are going to be very important weeks for Barcelona and especially for Koeman. I don't really like him as a manager and I think if he loses the Clasico now and then maybe has another fail in the next game in the Champions League, there are even tougher times ahead than is already the case. How would the club stick to Koeman without their fans freaking out? That's impossible.

I do not think that anyone will condemn Koeman for the defeat in the classic - Real looks much stronger than Barcelona, which is in a difficult situation through no fault of the coach. But if Barcelona lose their next Champions League game, then that could really be a reason for retirement. Dynamo Kiev is not a strong opponent at the moment and a defeat will cost Barcelona an entry to the playoffs.

Barcelona looks really weak in tommorows elclasico,i think real madrid has an amazing chance to win against Barcelona and put them a few places back. Reals attack is much better then Barcelonas currently and i dont trust Kooman at all as a barcelona coach
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October 23, 2021, 05:43:04 PM
These are going to be very important weeks for Barcelona and especially for Koeman. I don't really like him as a manager and I think if he loses the Clasico now and then maybe has another fail in the next game in the Champions League, there are even tougher times ahead than is already the case. How would the club stick to Koeman without their fans freaking out? That's impossible.

I do not think that anyone will condemn Koeman for the defeat in the classic - Real looks much stronger than Barcelona, which is in a difficult situation through no fault of the coach. But if Barcelona lose their next Champions League game, then that could really be a reason for retirement. Dynamo Kiev is not a strong opponent at the moment and a defeat will cost Barcelona an entry to the playoffs.
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October 23, 2021, 05:30:52 PM


Barcelona has huge problems due to large financial debts, poor organization of the club, disturbed relations between players and management, incompetent management etc.
Messi's departure was logical and expected due to all these problems.
Barcelona needs a good striker? Maybe Suarez?  Grin Grin
In fact, Barcelona now urgently needs a lot of money to save itself from financial ruin and going into football mediocrity.
They can forget about some great football successes and trophies in the next few years.
It's obvious that Barcelona is not the favorite in the Champions League this year and they are still not sure that they will pass the group stage of this competition.

^ Barcelona is facing some real problems right now because they are in a really bad cycle. If they sell some players in the upcoming transfer window, they might not be able to stay in the top 4, so they won't be able to play champions league, so they will get less money. They can't buy anyone too. They can't even sack their manager because if they sack him, as per rules they have to pay the whole contract length. They can't afford that right now. So I think they just need to survive for 2-3 seasons then get some financial stability. Then Maybe they can buy some players.

These are going to be very important weeks for Barcelona and especially for Koeman. I don't really like him as a manager and I think if he loses the Clasico now and then maybe has another fail in the next game in the Champions League, there are even tougher times ahead than is already the case. How would the club stick to Koeman without their fans freaking out? That's impossible.
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October 23, 2021, 10:44:45 AM
We have seen how much Manchester United are struggling one more time against Atalanta a few days ago. Before this game, first they drew with Everton home by 1-1 and lost to Leicester by an embarrassing result like 4-2 in the English Premier League. Ole Solskjaer was already being criticised a lot and after these results he was in a worse situation. He and the team needed a victory against Atalanta. But the game didn't start the way they would like. Atalanta ended the first half by 2-0 ahead already. Bells were ringing for Solskjaer even louder after seeing this. They needed a win in this game no matter what. And thankfully, we watched a much better Manchester United in the second half. It was like they were reborn. Atalanta tried to secure a win by the current score. But after Manchester United found the goal early, very tense minutes were waiting for Atalanta. Manchester United managed to score two more goals in the last 15 minutes and really succeeded in winning by 3-2 in this highly tough game.
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October 23, 2021, 10:14:22 AM


Barcelona has huge problems due to large financial debts, poor organization of the club, disturbed relations between players and management, incompetent management etc.
Messi's departure was logical and expected due to all these problems.
Barcelona needs a good striker? Maybe Suarez?  Grin Grin
In fact, Barcelona now urgently needs a lot of money to save itself from financial ruin and going into football mediocrity.
They can forget about some great football successes and trophies in the next few years.
It's obvious that Barcelona is not the favorite in the Champions League this year and they are still not sure that they will pass the group stage of this competition.

^ Barcelona is facing some real problems right now because they are in a really bad cycle. If they sell some players in the upcoming transfer window, they might not be able to stay in the top 4, so they won't be able to play champions league, so they will get less money. They can't buy anyone too. They can't even sack their manager because if they sack him, as per rules they have to pay the whole contract length. They can't afford that right now. So I think they just need to survive for 2-3 seasons then get some financial stability. Then Maybe they can buy some players.
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October 23, 2021, 08:18:05 AM
What Barcelona needs now, is a good striker like Messi. If not, they'll keep finding it difficult to win matches easily.
This is what happens when a whole team focus their hopes and energy on a particular player.
It's gonna take Barcelona big time to form a formidable players force like Messi, Iniesta, and Xavi

You are right, right now barcelona must be able to find players who can really replace messi in their attack line, even though barcelona have depay and aguero but they don't seem to have fully integrated into the barcelona game and even they haven't been able to show their best game to help barcelona win, other than Fati who is rumored to be the next messi, he is has not been able to play consistently so far, the dullness of the Barcelona striker was seen against Dynamo Kyiv, even though Barcelona controlled the game and were able to create 11 kicks but only 3 were shot on target and even the winning goal for Barcelona was created by Pique who was a a defender.

A good striker to replace Messi is a must but their financial condition will not make it come true. There is no good players with cheap price and salary, so they should be realistic with condition. They should maximize what they have at the moment, or they will be in a worst financial condition if they force themselves to spend too much money to find player to replace Messi.
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October 23, 2021, 08:16:19 AM
Wondering what your confidence is based on? Last time I looked at long-term bets, PSG were the favorites for the Champions League, while Bayern was second. Undoubtedly having several such strong clubs in the Champions League, the EPL has a good chance of winning, but it is wrong to talk about dominance and a foregone conclusion.

And when was the last time the so called PSG won it, that is just media favoring messi again. Assuming it was someone like Ronaldo with a team full of talent as PSG then they become automatically the favorite to win. My confidence is coming from the way the English team has been playing for the last couple season. Teams like Manchester city will kill to get their hands on the trophy and if pep mistakenly finds his way to the final again, he is willing it.

The English side has been the most consistent of recent in the tournament, Chelsea last won it by conceding just 4 goals. That is some record that would be very difficult to break. Liverpool in current form vs Bayern, who do you think will come out victories?

If you think that I am a fan of PSG, then you are very mistaken, I am rooting against teams that are obvious moneybags (PSG and City). By the way, I don't think PSG are in the favorites because of Messi, the real reason is the rest of the squad: Neymar + Mbappe + etc.
Assuming that Bayern and Liverpool play right now, I think Bayern will easily win with a big score ike 4-1, 5-2...
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October 23, 2021, 06:44:01 AM
Barcelona must be really contented after playing really effectively against Dynamo Kyiv and defeating them by 1-0. Maybe the final result was not very satisfying for them as it was a win by only one goal. I was happy to see them performing this much good after defeating Valencia too. They are showing a good sign for their future games. And Bayern Munich's defeating Benfica is really good for Barcelona. Because they are only one point away from the second team in the group, Benfica. As long as they keep up the good work, I think that they can promote to the next stage.
What Barcelona needs now, is a good striker like Messi. If not, they'll keep finding it difficult to win matches easily.
This is what happens when a whole team focus their hopes and energy on a particular player.
It's gonna take Barcelona big time to form a formidable players force like Messi, Iniesta, and Xavi


Barcelona has huge problems due to large financial debts, poor organization of the club, disturbed relations between players and management, incompetent management etc.
Messi's departure was logical and expected due to all these problems.
Barcelona needs a good striker? Maybe Suarez?  Grin Grin
In fact, Barcelona now urgently needs a lot of money to save itself from financial ruin and going into football mediocrity.
They can forget about some great football successes and trophies in the next few years.
It's obvious that Barcelona is not the favorite in the Champions League this year and they are still not sure that they will pass the group stage of this competition.
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October 23, 2021, 05:28:45 AM
Barcelona must be really contented after playing really effectively against Dynamo Kyiv and defeating them by 1-0. Maybe the final result was not very satisfying for them as it was a win by only one goal. I was happy to see them performing this much good after defeating Valencia too. They are showing a good sign for their future games. And Bayern Munich's defeating Benfica is really good for Barcelona. Because they are only one point away from the second team in the group, Benfica. As long as they keep up the good work, I think that they can promote to the next stage.
The match against Dinamo kyiv was a bad match for barcelona in my opinion, even though they were able to win in that match, but if you look at the performance of dynamo kyiv in that match barcelona should can be won bigger, but barcelona front line which was quite blunt was not even able to destroy the defense that was weak from kyiv dynamo


What Barcelona needs now, is a good striker like Messi. If not, they'll keep finding it difficult to win matches easily.
This is what happens when a whole team focus their hopes and energy on a particular player.
It's gonna take Barcelona big time to form a formidable players force like Messi, Iniesta, and Xavi

You are right, right now barcelona must be able to find players who can really replace messi in their attack line, even though barcelona have depay and aguero but they don't seem to have fully integrated into the barcelona game and even they haven't been able to show their best game to help barcelona win, other than Fati who is rumored to be the next messi, he is has not been able to play consistently so far, the dullness of the Barcelona striker was seen against Dynamo Kyiv, even though Barcelona controlled the game and were able to create 11 kicks but only 3 were shot on target and even the winning goal for Barcelona was created by Pique who was a a defender.
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October 23, 2021, 04:48:34 AM
The second leg match will be very decisive for the sheriff to be able to guarantee qualifying for the next phase, now they have suffered their first defeat from inter milan and I think the sheriff defeat will be repeated later in the second leg match facing Inter Milan, after that, Madrid will definitely avenging their defeat in the first leg, especially now that the performance of the madrid squad has improved and it will make it a tough task for the sheriffs to be able to beat madrid again.
I think the second leg maybe 3 points they will only get when they play shaktar donesk in the last game of the group stage, and it looks like the sheriff luck is over for now.

It is undeniable that Sheriff Tiraspol's level is below Real Madrid and Inter Milan, but what they have achieved now is proof that they are a team that can surprise you. Nothing is impossible in Football. In the next 2 matches, Sheriff Tiraspol will play at home. Well even though the opponents are 2 big teams, but the crowd will be an advantage for Sheriff Tiraspol.

Let's see if it's really just luck or they will make another surprise.

Exactly, they just need one or two lucky moments. One to score, and maybe one to luckily deny a goal against them and I guarantee that the top teams will start getting nervous. That is what Tiraspol needs to achieve, keep a clean sheet for as long as possible and the opponents will slowly start losing their nerves. Just for the lols I really hope that Sheriff makes it! Smiley
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October 22, 2021, 06:30:37 PM
Yeah, now what's been happening in the football world I wouldn't be surprised if Sherrif beats real Madrid and inter Milan. But it would be an upset for sure. But I would hope that real Madrid and inter Milan will win. Because I have always been a fan of those teams' playstyle. Sherrif will have an advantage in the home ground for sure though but I doubt that's gonna be enough for them to win. After all, it comes down to who can score goals and who can defend goals.

After Inter's confident victory in the Champions League match, I still think that Sheriff was very lucky. They defended well and found opportunities to score goals in counterattacks, but even in these masts, the advantage of their opponents was significant. I don't know, let's see how the Sheriff will play the remaining matches, but at the moment the situation is such that they still manage to keeping the first place in their group.
I personally don't believe Sheriff Tiraspol will get points in the remaining matches, and maybe the only chance for Sheriff Tiraspol to get points later is against Shakhtar Donetsk, whether it's for 1 point or 3 points. But Shakhtar Donetsk itself is not a new team in UCL so I still believe Shakhtar Donetsk will be able to provide a strong resistance in the second match later against Sheriff Tiraspol. Therefore, maybe Sheriff Tiraspol will be able to lock in the 3rd position because I believe, Madrid and Inter will still fill the 1st and 2nd positions as expected.
The great advantage Sheriff has is that both games against Inter and Real Madrid are now going to be played on their home stadium and this is huge, in fact the most important of the games is the one they will play against Inter, if they can win or at least tie the game they will have great chances of making it to the next round because the last of their games on the group stage will be be against Shakhtar while Inter and real Madrid face each other, meaning Inter and Real Madrid will play to their best of their abilities to win while Shakhtar will most likely be eliminated and will have not much motivation to play that game.
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October 22, 2021, 05:04:52 PM
Wondering what your confidence is based on? Last time I looked at long-term bets, PSG were the favorites for the Champions League, while Bayern was second. Undoubtedly having several such strong clubs in the Champions League, the EPL has a good chance of winning, but it is wrong to talk about dominance and a foregone conclusion.

Lets take a look at the current Champions League winner odds on some sites:
Stake: Manchester City 4.45 Bayern Munich 4.65 PSG 5.85
Sportsbet: Manchester City and Bayern gets the same odd 4.5, PSG 6
Betcoin: Manchester City 4.46 Bayern 4.66 PSG 5.84

The odds shows that Manchester City is now the most favorite one and the other two EPL teams (Liverpool and Chelsea) are on top 5 favorite. By the way I do not really understand what does the word dominance (for the EPL teams) mean here? Chelsea is not getting full points in 3 matches, the same as Manchester City because both teams got 1 lose. I cant call them as dominating their games.

It turns out that the bookmakers estimate the chances of City at about 22%, Bavaria 21%, PSG 17% - even if this is a correct estimate, I would not say that this is a guarantee that the English team will win the Champions League (even if we take into account that the second echelon of leaders is led entirely by English teams - Liverpool, Chelsea, United).
I would call dominance if there were two teams from England playing in the final (as the original tweet was written about), but I doubt that this will happen.
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October 22, 2021, 03:43:05 PM
I personally don't believe Sheriff Tiraspol will get points in the remaining matches, and maybe the only chance for Sheriff Tiraspol to get points later is against Shakhtar Donetsk, whether it's for 1 point or 3 points. But Shakhtar Donetsk itself is not a new team in UCL so I still believe Shakhtar Donetsk will be able to provide a strong resistance in the second match later against Sheriff Tiraspol. Therefore, maybe Sheriff Tiraspol will be able to lock in the 3rd position because I believe, Madrid and Inter will still fill the 1st and 2nd positions as expected.
Yes, I also feel in this way, but having two matches at home can give them some advantage after having very good start in this season. If they want to go in next round then surely next match is very important for them because this can change all positions and then Sheriff will have some more chance for qualifying for next round if they lost all remaining matches then surely they will be moved into UEFA Europa League because they have already done enough work for playing this League and Shakhtar will be out of this competition. Inter is also having some good results in last matches.
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