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Quote from: icopress on October 21, 2021, 12:35:24 PM

Quote from: kassex on October 21, 2021, 12:25:37 PM

The Sheriff needs to score 4 points in the next 3 matches and then they can move out of the group. I think the Sheriff can do it. Victory over Shakhtar and one point in the matches against Inter and Real Madrid. Everything is in their hands. If that happens, it will be the loudest sensation in recent years in the Champions League.

Do you believe what you say? Shakhtar have half of the Brazilian players and for them losing to the Sheriff is not the same as losing to Real. Yes, we have already seen two random victories, but these victories went to them because the opponent underestimated them, but now things are different. In the return match, Inter will hardly yield to the Sheriff, just like Real Madrid, and Shakhtar simply have to win against them in order to at least save face.

Someone checked what odds that the Sheriff will be able to leave the group and advance?

Who could have believed that the Sheriff would beat Real Madrid at the Santiago Bernabeu? Why doesn't Sheriff beat Shakhtar and draw with Inter or Real Madrid and advance to the next round? There are chances and I think the Sheriff should try to make a sensation.

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Barcelona must be really contented after playing really effectively against Dynamo Kyiv and defeating them by 1-0. Maybe the final result was not very satisfying for them as it was a win by only one goal. I was happy to see them performing this much good after defeating Valencia too. They are showing a good sign for their future games. And Bayern Munich's defeating Benfica is really good for Barcelona. Because they are only one point away from the second team in the group, Benfica. As long as they keep up the good work, I think that they can promote to the next stage.

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Quote from: BITCOIN4X on October 22, 2021, 12:34:55 PM

I believe Sherrif can no longer beat real madrid for the second round match of the group stage. After all, Real Madrid will certainly learn from its mistake in the previous match and will correct its mistake to win this match. I'm sure Real Madrid will win even if this match is played at the Sherrif's home. But before that, we might need to know if Real Madrid managed to beat Shakhtar Donetsk.

Both teams , Shakhtar Donetsk and Sherrif when they have a good day can surprise and playing very well against every big Teams.
On the paper for sure it looks like that they normaly have no chance against Real Madrid , but i would not underestimate them.
Its hard to play against this 2 Clubs , specialy when they playing in the Champions League.

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Quote from: SquallLeonhart on October 22, 2021, 10:15:15 AM

Quote from: slaman29 on October 22, 2021, 05:58:29 AM

Ole's not a good coach man. Seriously, I don't even watch United but when I do, I can't figure out who coaches them. I don't like Pep so much these days but you see his team play and you know it's his team and his tactics. Ole doesn't know what he's doing at all. Not at Molde and not at United.
Imagine him telling Ronaldo what to do lol how would that even work?

I agree with this. Ole is not a bad coach neither, I wouldn't say he is a "bad" manager, I mean for starters if he was bad then he wouldn't even be there for so long, he would have been gone already. However I would not say he is great neither. People keep showing results of his tenure as a way to say he has been good, but I would say that he has inherited a good roster and even getting better and better players during his time there.
With that type of roster, you would have to be really horrible if you sucked, obviously you would get some decent results. However that doesn't change the fact that you would end up with something like this even if you were just decent and he is a decent one. A great manager, like a proper great manager, would end up with a win already, either in Europe (last season against villareal) or at least in premier league.

He is not a bad coach but I think there are coaches who are tactically better than him, way better than him. He has a very capable squad. Maybe better than many in the league but he is not getting the results. He signed Cavani, Ronaldo, Sancho but still cannot find the consistency. Yes, the defenders were injured but what about the backup players maybe changing the formation to try something new.

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Quote from: Minecache on October 22, 2021, 09:35:41 AM

Yeah, now what's been happening in the football world I wouldn't be surprised if Sherrif beats real Madrid and inter Milan. But it would be an upset for sure. But I would hope that real Madrid and inter Milan will win. Because I have always been a fan of those teams' playstyle. Sherrif will have an advantage in the home ground for sure though but I doubt that's gonna be enough for them to win. After all, it comes down to who can score goals and who can defend goals.

I believe Sherrif can no longer beat real madrid for the second round match of the group stage. After all, Real Madrid will certainly learn from its mistake in the previous match and will correct its mistake to win this match. I'm sure Real Madrid will win even if this match is played at the Sherrif's home. But before that, we might need to know if Real Madrid managed to beat Shakhtar Donetsk.

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Quote from: hahay on October 22, 2021, 11:45:41 AM

I personally don't believe Sheriff Tiraspol will get points in the remaining matches, and maybe the only chance for Sheriff Tiraspol to get points later is against Shakhtar Donetsk, whether it's for 1 point or 3 points. But Shakhtar Donetsk itself is not a new team in UCL so I still believe Shakhtar Donetsk will be able to provide a strong resistance in the second match later against Sheriff Tiraspol. Therefore, maybe Sheriff Tiraspol will be able to lock in the 3rd position because I believe, Madrid and Inter will still fill the 1st and 2nd positions as expected.

I also think the Sheriff's work is quite impressive for being able to beat a big team, but this time with games remaining it will be very difficult to get points while the top teams are still trying to win and for me it will still be difficult for the Sheriff.

But who would have thought that if the Sheriff was able to win one more time then he was in a safe position and then being able to survive with a draw would be enough, but sometimes there will be surprises in the next game, but do you think the Sheriff can be that crazy later?

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Yeah, now what's been happening in the football world I wouldn't be surprised if Sherrif beats real Madrid and inter Milan. But it would be an upset for sure. But I would hope that real Madrid and inter Milan will win. Because I have always been a fan of those teams' playstyle. Sherrif will have an advantage in the home ground for sure though but I doubt that's gonna be enough for them to win. After all, it comes down to who can score goals and who can defend goals.

After Inter's confident victory in the Champions League match, I still think that Sheriff was very lucky. They defended well and found opportunities to score goals in counterattacks, but even in these masts, the advantage of their opponents was significant. I don't know, let's see how the Sheriff will play the remaining matches, but at the moment the situation is such that they still manage to keeping the first place in their group.

I personally don't believe Sheriff Tiraspol will get points in the remaining matches, and maybe the only chance for Sheriff Tiraspol to get points later is against Shakhtar Donetsk, whether it's for 1 point or 3 points. But Shakhtar Donetsk itself is not a new team in UCL so I still believe Shakhtar Donetsk will be able to provide a strong resistance in the second match later against Sheriff Tiraspol. Therefore, maybe Sheriff Tiraspol will be able to lock in the 3rd position because I believe, Madrid and Inter will still fill the 1st and 2nd positions as expected.

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Quote from: Minecache on October 22, 2021, 09:35:41 AM

now what's been happening in the football world I wouldn't be surprised if Sherrif beats real Madrid and inter Milan. But it would be an upset for sure. But I would hope that real Madrid and inter Milan will win. Because I have always been a fan of those teams' playstyle. Sherrif will have an advantage in the home ground for sure though but I doubt that's gonna be enough for them to win. After all, it comes down to who can score goals and who can defend goals.

This group is fascinating right now because Sherrif done some good job for themselves and Real Madrid and Inter feeling some heat even for me, we already have some good upsets now there is nothing happening and Real Madrid and Inter could be to qualify in next round but still first match on 3rd November is very interesting because if Inter lost this then spot in next round could be in serious danger, and they can go into UEFA Europa because Real Madrid is in much better position instead of Inter but still in this game we can face some good upsets.

Right now all eyes on next match between Sherrif vs Inter after first win now lets see how is going in this phase of this round.

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Quote from: Minecache on October 22, 2021, 09:35:41 AM

Yeah, now what's been happening in the football world I wouldn't be surprised if Sherrif beats real Madrid and inter Milan. But it would be an upset for sure. But I would hope that real Madrid and inter Milan will win. Because I have always been a fan of those teams' playstyle. Sherrif will have an advantage in the home ground for sure though but I doubt that's gonna be enough for them to win. After all, it comes down to who can score goals and who can defend goals.

After Inter's confident victory in the Champions League match, I still think that Sheriff was very lucky. They defended well and found opportunities to score goals in counterattacks, but even in these masts, the advantage of their opponents was significant. I don't know, let's see how the Sheriff will play the remaining matches, but at the moment the situation is such that they still manage to keeping the first place in their group.

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Quote from: slaman29 on October 22, 2021, 05:58:29 AM

Ole's not a good coach man. Seriously, I don't even watch United but when I do, I can't figure out who coaches them. I don't like Pep so much these days but you see his team play and you know it's his team and his tactics. Ole doesn't know what he's doing at all. Not at Molde and not at United.

Imagine him telling Ronaldo what to do lol how would that even work?

I agree with this. Ole is not a bad coach neither, I wouldn't say he is a "bad" manager, I mean for starters if he was bad then he wouldn't even be there for so long, he would have been gone already. However I would not say he is great neither. People keep showing results of his tenure as a way to say he has been good, but I would say that he has inherited a good roster and even getting better and better players during his time there.

With that type of roster, you would have to be really horrible if you sucked, obviously you would get some decent results. However that doesn't change the fact that you would end up with something like this even if you were just decent and he is a decent one. A great manager, like a proper great manager, would end up with a win already, either in Europe (last season against villareal) or at least in premier league.

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Quote from: abhiseshakana on October 22, 2021, 08:13:58 AM

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Imagine him telling Ronaldo what to do lol how would that even work?

Solskjaer hasn't been able to prove that he is a good coach. He's been in charge of Manchester United for more than 2 seasons, but he still can't get a trophy. He spends a lot of money every season, this season he spent 140 million euros, in 20/21 he spent 83.8 million euros, and even in the 19/20 season, he spent 234.8 million euros. With that much spending, Solskjaer should be able to make Man United a champion, at least get 1 trophy, but so far he has failed to do so.

Yes, we know. And that's what I said. His spends have been well-documented and he gets exactly who he wants. Flops and stars but he hasn't even got the skills to manage them well, so it's no wonder the most talented people with leadership skills like Pogba and Fernandes have spoken publicly about their tactics. Anyway, enough about OGS. Nice guy and nice player and maybe one day a good manager. But sorry, not for the next 10 years more!

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Quote from: DU18 on October 21, 2021, 04:30:46 PM

The second leg match will be very decisive for the sheriff to be able to guarantee qualifying for the next phase, now they have suffered their first defeat from inter milan and I think the sheriff defeat will be repeated later in the second leg match facing Inter Milan, after that, Madrid will definitely avenging their defeat in the first leg, especially now that the performance of the madrid squad has improved and it will make it a tough task for the sheriffs to be able to beat madrid again.
I think the second leg maybe 3 points they will only get when they play shaktar donesk in the last game of the group stage, and it looks like the sheriff luck is over for now.

It is undeniable that Sheriff Tiraspol's level is below Real Madrid and Inter Milan, but what they have achieved now is proof that they are a team that can surprise you. Nothing is impossible in Football. In the next 2 matches, Sheriff Tiraspol will play at home. Well even though the opponents are 2 big teams, but the crowd will be an advantage for Sheriff Tiraspol.
Let's see if it's really just luck or they will make another surprise.

It will be a little different where the Sheriff will rely on the home opponent for his victory but that's the audience is very important for the players but if there is another surprise then for sure the Sheriff can qualify for the next phase.
I know in football it will be something surprising again.
And this is a bit of luck for Inter Milan they will face at the end of the play off match while the other 2 matches can be maximized to get points for both Inter and Real Madrid.
So this is an important point with the Sheriff's opponent and Shakthar should be able to beat him.

Yeah, now what's been happening in the football world I wouldn't be surprised if Sherrif beats real Madrid and inter Milan. But it would be an upset for sure. But I would hope that real Madrid and inter Milan will win. Because I have always been a fan of those teams' playstyle. Sherrif will have an advantage in the home ground for sure though but I doubt that's gonna be enough for them to win. After all, it comes down to who can score goals and who can defend goals.

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Quote from: jakdanyel on October 22, 2021, 05:03:35 AM

I assume that the most interesting match was Manchester United - Atalanta this week. Because Manchester United were struggling very much before this one and they lost to Leicester by 4-2 last. They needed an immediate victory to be able to gather strength. But Atalanta got 2-0 ahead in the first half already and it ended like that. In the second half, Solskjaer needed to do something to turn the game around. Otherwise, there was another big loss waiting for the team. And we watched a completely different Manchester United in the other half. And they scored their first goal early also. I was still not sure about if they would be able to make a comeback but they made it. Ronaldo scored again here and his goal was very important for the win.

it was a good match, I enjoyed it all, 5 goals! very nice
Atalanta is my beloved team
do not underestimate Atalanta, they are a very strong and solid team
ok he lost, but the game was fought (and it was also fun)

Yes, it seems like almost all the big teams are struggling this season. We're talking about Man UTD as they are going through a rough patch right now. They needed this win so badly. Who knows, maybe this will be the turning point of their form. But I honestly didn't think they would win this match too considering their recent form and player's morale. But they did turn things around. Somehow I think there's something going on with these big clubs as they are under performing very badly. Man UTD seem to have found their way and I hope the other teams like Barcelona, PSG do too.

Team and players for now aren't in a position to compete for trophies, but glory is on its way. There's something mysterious going on this season. Although they seem to be struggling, big teams with big star players will eventually find their way. Another thing that follows the current scenario is that it's too early to indicate something. We will have to wait and see if they can hype their player at the right time.

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 22, 2021, 06:00:48 AM

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They are not winning the champion league, the trophy will be coming to England and it will be between Manchester city, Liverpool or Chelsea. I would not be surprised if the finals turns out to be an all English team final because that is what has been happening of recent. Excluding Manchester united, the premier league teams are dominating their games as well.

Last night the defending champions won comfortably 4-0 and they probably would had scored more assuming their front man was not removed. Liverpool and Manchester city are also having an easy season with wins in the champion league.

Wondering what your confidence is based on? Last time I looked at long-term bets, PSG were the favorites for the Champions League, while Bayern was second. Undoubtedly having several such strong clubs in the Champions League, the EPL has a good chance of winning, but it is wrong to talk about dominance and a foregone conclusion.

Lets take a look at the current Champions League winner odds on some sites:
Stake: Manchester City 4.45 Bayern Munich 4.65 PSG 5.85
Sportsbet: Manchester City and Bayern gets the same odd 4.5, PSG 6
Betcoin: Manchester City 4.46 Bayern 4.66 PSG 5.84

The odds shows that Manchester City is now the most favorite one and the other two EPL teams (Liverpool and Chelsea) are on top 5 favorite. By the way I do not really understand what does the word dominance (for the EPL teams) mean here? Chelsea is not getting full points in 3 matches, the same as Manchester City because both teams got 1 lose. I cant call them as dominating their games.

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Quote from: babo on October 22, 2021, 06:24:36 AM

Quote from: jakdanyel on October 22, 2021, 05:03:35 AM

I assume that the most interesting match was Manchester United - Atalanta this week. Because Manchester United were struggling very much before this one and they lost to Leicester by 4-2 last. They needed an immediate victory to be able to gather strength. But Atalanta got 2-0 ahead in the first half already and it ended like that. In the second half, Solskjaer needed to do something to turn the game around. Otherwise, there was another big loss waiting for the team. And we watched a completely different Manchester United in the other half. And they scored their first goal early also. I was still not sure about if they would be able to make a comeback but they made it. Ronaldo scored again here and his goal was very important for the win.

it was a good match, I enjoyed it all, 5 goals! very nice
Atalanta is my beloved team
do not underestimate Atalanta, they are a very strong and solid team
ok he lost, but the game was fought (and it was also fun)

Yes, it seems like almost all the big teams are struggling this season. We're talking about Man UTD as they are going through a rough patch right now. They needed this win so badly. Who knows, maybe this will be the turning point of their form. But I honestly didn't think they would win this match too considering their recent form and player's morale. But they did turn things around. Somehow I think there's something going on with these big clubs as they are under performing very badly. Man UTD seem to have found their way and I hope the other teams like Barcelona, PSG do too.

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Quote from: slaman29 on October 22, 2021, 05:58:29 AM

Quote from: alpamar99 on October 22, 2021, 02:34:53 AM

Ole is a pretty good coach but not for MU Ole's strategy doesn't suit United's game so it will be very difficult to adapt his tactics and style of play.
Many great players are at Manchester United but it can't be maximized well by Ole at the moment.
besides that the rotation he applies sometimes makes blunders and losses for United and this is further exacerbated by the player's trust that is getting less and less towards Ole.

Ole's not a good coach man. Seriously, I don't even watch United but when I do, I can't figure out who coaches them. I don't like Pep so much these days but you see his team play and you know it's his team and his tactics. Ole doesn't know what he's doing at all. Not at Molde and not at United.

Imagine him telling Ronaldo what to do lol how would that even work?

Solskjaer hasn't been able to prove that he is a good coach. He's been in charge of Manchester United for more than 2 seasons, but he still can't get a trophy. He spends a lot of money every season, this season he spent 140 million euros, in 20/21 he spent 83.8 million euros, and even in the 19/20 season, he spent 234.8 million euros. With that much spending, Solskjaer should be able to make Man United a champion, at least get 1 trophy, but so far he has failed to do so.

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Quote from: jakdanyel on October 22, 2021, 05:03:35 AM

I assume that the most interesting match was Manchester United - Atalanta this week. Because Manchester United were struggling very much before this one and they lost to Leicester by 4-2 last. They needed an immediate victory to be able to gather strength. But Atalanta got 2-0 ahead in the first half already and it ended like that. In the second half, Solskjaer needed to do something to turn the game around. Otherwise, there was another big loss waiting for the team. And we watched a completely different Manchester United in the other half. And they scored their first goal early also. I was still not sure about if they would be able to make a comeback but they made it. Ronaldo scored again here and his goal was very important for the win.

it was a good match, I enjoyed it all, 5 goals! very nice
Atalanta is my beloved team

do not underestimate Atalanta, they are a very strong and solid team

ok he lost, but the game was fought (and it was also fun)

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They are not winning the champion league, the trophy will be coming to England and it will be between Manchester city, Liverpool or Chelsea. I would not be surprised if the finals turns out to be an all English team final because that is what has been happening of recent. Excluding Manchester united, the premier league teams are dominating their games as well.

Last night the defending champions won comfortably 4-0 and they probably would had scored more assuming their front man was not removed. Liverpool and Manchester city are also having an easy season with wins in the champion league.

Wondering what your confidence is based on? Last time I looked at long-term bets, PSG were the favorites for the Champions League, while Bayern was second. Undoubtedly having several such strong clubs in the Champions League, the EPL has a good chance of winning, but it is wrong to talk about dominance and a foregone conclusion.

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Quote from: alpamar99 on October 22, 2021, 02:34:53 AM

Ole is a pretty good coach but not for MU Ole's strategy doesn't suit United's game so it will be very difficult to adapt his tactics and style of play.
Many great players are at Manchester United but it can't be maximized well by Ole at the moment.
besides that the rotation he applies sometimes makes blunders and losses for United and this is further exacerbated by the player's trust that is getting less and less towards Ole.

Ole's not a good coach man. Seriously, I don't even watch United but when I do, I can't figure out who coaches them. I don't like Pep so much these days but you see his team play and you know it's his team and his tactics. Ole doesn't know what he's doing at all. Not at Molde and not at United.

Imagine him telling Ronaldo what to do lol how would that even work?

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Quote from: DU18 on October 21, 2021, 04:30:46 PM

The second leg match will be very decisive for the sheriff to be able to guarantee qualifying for the next phase, now they have suffered their first defeat from inter milan and I think the sheriff defeat will be repeated later in the second leg match facing Inter Milan, after that, Madrid will definitely avenging their defeat in the first leg, especially now that the performance of the madrid squad has improved and it will make it a tough task for the sheriffs to be able to beat madrid again.
I think the second leg maybe 3 points they will only get when they play shaktar donesk in the last game of the group stage, and it looks like the sheriff luck is over for now.

It is undeniable that Sheriff Tiraspol's level is below Real Madrid and Inter Milan, but what they have achieved now is proof that they are a team that can surprise you. Nothing is impossible in Football. In the next 2 matches, Sheriff Tiraspol will play at home. Well even though the opponents are 2 big teams, but the crowd will be an advantage for Sheriff Tiraspol.

Let's see if it's really just luck or they will make another surprise.

It will be a little different where the Sheriff will rely on the home opponent for his victory but that's the audience is very important for the players but if there is another surprise then for sure the Sheriff can qualify for the next phase.
I know in football it will be something surprising again.

And this is a bit of luck for Inter Milan they will face at the end of the play off match while the other 2 matches can be maximized to get points for both Inter and Real Madrid.

So this is an important point with the Sheriff's opponent and Shakthar should be able to beat him.

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