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Quote from: Maidak on August 20, 2021, 04:07:09 AM

Benfica took a 2-0 lead in the first half, which is why they were able to win. They didn't need to score any more goals in the second half, they used defensive tactics. PSV was unable to break Benfica's defense despite many attacks. Both teams showed good enough gameplay.

Going 2-0 in the first half against a team that suppose to be better than you is not an easy task neither, I mean don't get me wrong kudos to their amazing defense on the second half as well but that was just the easy part if you ask me, that is not going to be that though to not get scored 2 goals in one half, all you have to do is play good defense and yes that is a good thing too but scoring 2 goals in the first half was the key there.

They played very well and they are going to play well again next time they play as well. I do not get the odds neither, it is definitely going to be very tough for PSV, because Benfica showed that they have both great offense because they scored twice in first half, but showed great defense on second half as well, which means that they will be great on both sides next time they face each other as well, let alone a win from PSV, I may see Benfica winning as well.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on August 20, 2021, 02:49:57 PM

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One of the interesting draws is Monaco v Shakhtar now. Monaco were defeated by them 1-0 home in the first leg. They had a really shocking start to the season for sure. If Shakhtar manage to make use of this chance, we will not see Monaco in the Champions League groups. The second leg is going to be played in a different stadium rather than Shakhtar's. So Monaco have a really tough job to do there. I still hope them to qualify for the group stage.

Monaco will not win the next match against Shakhtar Donetsk. They can draw the match. Shakhtar likes defensive play. As I have seen in previous matches, when they scored 1 goal Shakhtar did not make any special attempt to attack. They wanted to win 1-0 and they were able to. They will follow the same strategy in the next match.

I agree with you. Monaco will fail to win if Shakhtar Donetsk adopts defensive tactics. Monaco is not a bad team, but they are not strong enough to break Shakhtar Donetsk's defense and win the match by scoring a goal. When a team prioritizes defensive play over the attack, it is much harder to score against them. Without an experienced and talented player and without the help of luck, It is almost impossible to score a goal.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on August 20, 2021, 02:49:57 PM

Monaco will not win the next match against Shakhtar Donetsk. They can draw the match. Shakhtar likes defensive play. As I have seen in previous matches, when they scored 1 goal Shakhtar did not make any special attempt to attack. They wanted to win 1-0 and they were able to. They will follow the same strategy in the next match.

How strong is your confidence? At the moment, bookmakers give the following odds for the outcome of this match:
3,00 - 3,35 - 2,33
If you are completely sure that Monaco will not be able to win, then by placing a bet on the two remaining outcomes, you can easily get 50% of the profit. But judging by the odds given by the bookmakers, they rate Monaco as a favorite (as well as in the first match where they made a serious mistake).

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Quote from: Spack17 on August 20, 2021, 01:45:15 PM

One of the interesting draws is Monaco v Shakhtar now. Monaco were defeated by them 1-0 home in the first leg. They had a really shocking start to the season for sure. If Shakhtar manage to make use of this chance, we will not see Monaco in the Champions League groups. The second leg is going to be played in a different stadium rather than Shakhtar's. So Monaco have a really tough job to do there. I still hope them to qualify for the group stage.

Monaco will not win the next match against Shakhtar Donetsk. They can draw the match. Shakhtar likes defensive play. As I have seen in previous matches, when they scored 1 goal Shakhtar did not make any special attempt to attack. They wanted to win 1-0 and they were able to. They will follow the same strategy in the next match.

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One of the interesting draws is Monaco v Shakhtar now. Monaco were defeated by them 1-0 home in the first leg. They had a really shocking start to the season for sure. If Shakhtar manage to make use of this chance, we will not see Monaco in the Champions League groups. The second leg is going to be played in a different stadium rather than Shakhtar's. So Monaco have a really tough job to do there. I still hope them to qualify for the group stage.

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Quote from: hahay on August 19, 2021, 08:51:37 AM

PSV's defeat in the first leg, I think it's not a bad result because PSV has a good statistical record too, but that doesn't mean PSV will easily turn things around in the second leg because Benfica is also not a weak team.

in this game it was very clear that PSV could have won very easily, unfortunately PSV had no luck and the defense of the goalkeeper - benfica's is very good, benfica is very fragile in the defensive issue and if PSV can have more hits in the plays what to do next, then they can easily score 3 goals and turn the game around easily and comfortably, however if benfica manages to score 2 goals in the next game then it's over for PSV

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Quote from: SquallLeonhart on August 19, 2021, 04:39:43 PM

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I was surprised how PSV was able to completely seize the initiative in the second half and I think that Benfica was very lucky to end the match with such a score. Given the minimal advantage that Benfica has, it seems to me that PSV will be the clear favorite in the home match.
And I see that the bookmakers agree with me:
1,95 - 3,65 - 3,70

Do you really think that just being at home can make THAT much of a difference? First game is now won by Benfica, and people are saying PSV will win easily? I mean 1.95 odds is not "easily" I will agree to that but at the end of the day we are talking about something that is still high favored and that is a very important thing, one team winning the game while the other being the favored is not an easy task. So, how come this happened?

I get that PSV is a good team, they are not a bad team at all, and I like to watch them too, but Benfica didn't really shock the pundits and all when they won, they were always a great team and they won, it was that simple, so why would it be that weird for them to actually end up with a win again? I mean think about it, they won once, how could it be 3.70 for them to end up winning once again? That doesn't make sense.

Sure. To understand the difference, you just need to compare the current odds and the odds that the bookmakers gave for the first match. Now PSV is a clear favorite, of course this is partly due to its excellent performance in the second half, but in my opinion, the factor of his own field is of decisive importance.

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Quote from: babo on August 20, 2021, 12:51:02 PM

I absolutely agree with you
but you must also consider the greatness of the nation

in any case in the past he gave us glorious players like VanBasten, much loved in Italy and also very good

he was Dutch wasn't he?

Aye, perhaps. But Malaysia in the 1970s reigned supreme in Asia, and had great footballers with incredible minds. Can't always live in the past, and they've never recovered from their highs of 50 years ago.

Salah maybe also now reminds people of what Egypt can be capable of producing but it doesn't prove Egypt's a great footballing nation. Many examples to cherry pick of course, but I said what I said about Eredivisie on current form=)

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Quote from: SquallLeonhart on August 19, 2021, 04:39:43 PM

I get that PSV is a good team, they are not a bad team at all, and I like to watch them too, but Benfica didn't really shock the pundits and all when they won, they were always a great team and they won, it was that simple, so why would it be that weird for them to actually end up with a win again? I mean think about it, they won once, how could it be 3.70 for them to end up winning once again? That doesn't make sense.

I always find the Dutch teams a little soft, wobbly when it matters, you know? Good football for sure, and we don't need to be reminded of how exciting they can be as a national team but even Ajax, the silkiest team from Eredivisie, looks suspect every time they come up against other European opposition.

Benfica deserved the win, and I'm also backing them to not lose the next leg. 3.7 is just a reflection of the away tie, how strong PSV are at home, and conversely, how defensively Benfica are expected to play away + all those Dutch bets on the home team;)

I absolutely agree with you
but you must also consider the greatness of the nation

in any case in the past he gave us glorious players like VanBasten, much loved in Italy and also very good

he was Dutch wasn't he?

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Quote from: SquallLeonhart on August 19, 2021, 04:39:43 PM

I get that PSV is a good team, they are not a bad team at all, and I like to watch them too, but Benfica didn't really shock the pundits and all when they won, they were always a great team and they won, it was that simple, so why would it be that weird for them to actually end up with a win again? I mean think about it, they won once, how could it be 3.70 for them to end up winning once again? That doesn't make sense.

I always find the Dutch teams a little soft, wobbly when it matters, you know? Good football for sure, and we don't need to be reminded of how exciting they can be as a national team but even Ajax, the silkiest team from Eredivisie, looks suspect every time they come up against other European opposition.

Benfica deserved the win, and I'm also backing them to not lose the next leg. 3.7 is just a reflection of the away tie, how strong PSV are at home, and conversely, how defensively Benfica are expected to play away + all those Dutch bets on the home team;)

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Quote from: Kusman on August 19, 2021, 07:07:20 PM

Benfica didn't surprise me and defeated PSV 2-1. They played effectively in the first half and brought the score to 2-0 already. They didn't do much in the second half which helped PSV find some goal chances. And they managed to make one of them goal. But they couldn't make a comeback at the end. This is a good advantage for Benfica.

Benfica took a 2-0 lead in the first half, which is why they were able to win. They didn't need to score any more goals in the second half, they used defensive tactics. PSV was unable to break Benfica's defense despite many attacks. Both teams showed good enough gameplay.

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Benfica didn't surprise me and defeated PSV 2-1. They played effectively in the first half and brought the score to 2-0 already. They didn't do much in the second half which helped PSV find some goal chances. And they managed to make one of them goal. But they couldn't make a comeback at the end. This is a good advantage for Benfica.

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Quote from: alegotardo on August 19, 2021, 04:11:36 PM

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Since Benfica are a little ahead in winning the 1st leg, they will be able to play in the 2nd leg in a somewhat stress-free. And in order to perform well in a match, it is important for the players to be stress-free. Yet PSV is a good enough team. They lost the first match but fought hard. They will also try to win the second match.

I lost my bet in this game, I didn't expect to see a victory for Benfica, at most a draw, but I bet on his defeat.
So, imagine my disappointment when Benfica opened two advantaged goals.

I still believe in a PSV victory in the second leg, but I won't bet anymore... I think I'm underestimating Benfica too much Tongue

Both teams are evenly matches from my point of view. But i think PSV still has an amazing chance at home to turn this around and qualify for the champions league. Both teams with how large their names are deserve to bet in the champions league group stage. I still think PSV will win at home and qualify for the group stage.

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Quote from: KTChampions on August 19, 2021, 07:25:01 AM

I was surprised how PSV was able to completely seize the initiative in the second half and I think that Benfica was very lucky to end the match with such a score. Given the minimal advantage that Benfica has, it seems to me that PSV will be the clear favorite in the home match.
And I see that the bookmakers agree with me:
1,95 - 3,65 - 3,70

Do you really think that just being at home can make THAT much of a difference? First game is now won by Benfica, and people are saying PSV will win easily? I mean 1.95 odds is not "easily" I will agree to that but at the end of the day we are talking about something that is still high favored and that is a very important thing, one team winning the game while the other being the favored is not an easy task. So, how come this happened?

I get that PSV is a good team, they are not a bad team at all, and I like to watch them too, but Benfica didn't really shock the pundits and all when they won, they were always a great team and they won, it was that simple, so why would it be that weird for them to actually end up with a win again? I mean think about it, they won once, how could it be 3.70 for them to end up winning once again? That doesn't make sense.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on August 19, 2021, 02:06:39 PM

Since Benfica are a little ahead in winning the 1st leg, they will be able to play in the 2nd leg in a somewhat stress-free. And in order to perform well in a match, it is important for the players to be stress-free. Yet PSV is a good enough team. They lost the first match but fought hard. They will also try to win the second match.

I lost my bet in this game, I didn't expect to see a victory for Benfica, at most a draw, but I bet on his defeat.
So, imagine my disappointment when Benfica opened two advantaged goals.

I still believe in a PSV victory in the second leg, but I won't bet anymore... I think I'm underestimating Benfica too much Tongue

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Quote from: Minor Miner on August 19, 2021, 02:06:39 PM

Since Benfica are a little ahead in winning the 1st leg, they will be able to play in the 2nd leg in a somewhat stress-free. And in order to perform well in a match, it is important for the players to be stress-free. Yet PSV is a good enough team. They lost the first match but fought hard. They will also try to win the second match.

And since the rule of goals were no longer counted. Now it will depend on the victories or the total of goals scored. In this sense, for PSV to pass the tie, they have to beat Benfica with 2-0 during the 90 minutes, or if they score only 1 goal, the game goes to extra-time.
The second leg will be very interesting to watch.

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Quote from: kro55 on August 19, 2021, 01:07:53 PM

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Many people think PSV team is a weak team. But PSV Eindhoven is not a weak team. I saw the highlights of a few of their matches. And I know the statistics of their past matches. PSV is a team good enough and strong. I agree with you that Benfica are lucky because they won 2-1. Benfica's goalkeeper made some great saves so PSV couldn't score.

PSV could well have played in a draw in this match, but Benfica managed to snatch a victory, the strongest wins, all honestly. That is why I said that in this match I would bet on PSV with a handicap of +1 goal, because in football anything can be. There will still be a return match and everything will be decided there. it's hard to say who will go on, the teams are close in class, but I think the chances of getting to the next round are still equal.

I don't think anyone is saying PSV is a weak team, if they say PSV is a weak team then I assume they are new to this circle so they are wrong in judging a team. PSV was Ajax's toughest competitor for many years in the Eredivisie title race and as such, PSV is not a weak team and at least these two teams are comparable or at least on the same level as Benfica and PSV. PSV's defeat in the first leg, I think it's not a bad result because PSV has a good statistical record too, but that doesn't mean PSV will easily turn things around in the second leg because Benfica is also not a weak team.

I agree with you. PSV and Benfica are equal-level teams. PSV's defeat in the 1st leg will make the 2nd leg more competitive. In the previous match, PSV could not score even after attacking a lot. In the second match maybe the whole scene will be different. But Benfica is a little ahead. They will try their best to draw the next match.

Since Benfica are a little ahead in winning the 1st leg, they will be able to play in the 2nd leg in a somewhat stress-free. And in order to perform well in a match, it is important for the players to be stress-free. Yet PSV is a good enough team. They lost the first match but fought hard. They will also try to win the second match.

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Quote from: hahay on August 19, 2021, 08:51:37 AM

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Many people think PSV team is a weak team. But PSV Eindhoven is not a weak team. I saw the highlights of a few of their matches. And I know the statistics of their past matches. PSV is a team good enough and strong. I agree with you that Benfica are lucky because they won 2-1. Benfica's goalkeeper made some great saves so PSV couldn't score.

PSV could well have played in a draw in this match, but Benfica managed to snatch a victory, the strongest wins, all honestly. That is why I said that in this match I would bet on PSV with a handicap of +1 goal, because in football anything can be. There will still be a return match and everything will be decided there. it's hard to say who will go on, the teams are close in class, but I think the chances of getting to the next round are still equal.

I don't think anyone is saying PSV is a weak team, if they say PSV is a weak team then I assume they are new to this circle so they are wrong in judging a team. PSV was Ajax's toughest competitor for many years in the Eredivisie title race and as such, PSV is not a weak team and at least these two teams are comparable or at least on the same level as Benfica and PSV. PSV's defeat in the first leg, I think it's not a bad result because PSV has a good statistical record too, but that doesn't mean PSV will easily turn things around in the second leg because Benfica is also not a weak team.

I agree with you. PSV and Benfica are equal-level teams. PSV's defeat in the 1st leg will make the 2nd leg more competitive. In the previous match, PSV could not score even after attacking a lot. In the second match maybe the whole scene will be different. But Benfica is a little ahead. They will try their best to draw the next match.

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Quote from: Barcode_ on August 18, 2021, 08:00:25 AM

PSV Eindhoven did not faced much resistance from Galatasaray and Midtjylland to get to the final stage of the Uefa Champion League qualification round. I think it will be an interesting match between PSV Eindhoven and Benfica today, PSV Eindhoven have scored many goals against Galatasaray and Midtjylland but I think it would not be easy to break down the defense of Benfica when they are playing in their home stadium, I guess this game might ends up with a draw today.

I almost avoided making bets on all the teams last night and and my only regret is removing Celtic from my selections and replacing it with a random football friendly that lost:( It was free insurance from Sportsbet though so I got the bet back as a freebet but sometimes you just have to go with the flow especially at home in Europe. Wasted 2x from Benfica!

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Quote from: Altryist on August 19, 2021, 08:40:48 AM

Quote from: kro55 on August 19, 2021, 08:11:29 AM

Many people think PSV team is a weak team. But PSV Eindhoven is not a weak team. I saw the highlights of a few of their matches. And I know the statistics of their past matches. PSV is a team good enough and strong. I agree with you that Benfica are lucky because they won 2-1. Benfica's goalkeeper made some great saves so PSV couldn't score.

PSV could well have played in a draw in this match, but Benfica managed to snatch a victory, the strongest wins, all honestly. That is why I said that in this match I would bet on PSV with a handicap of +1 goal, because in football anything can be. There will still be a return match and everything will be decided there. it's hard to say who will go on, the teams are close in class, but I think the chances of getting to the next round are still equal.

I don't think anyone is saying PSV is a weak team, if they say PSV is a weak team then I assume they are new to this circle so they are wrong in judging a team. PSV was Ajax's toughest competitor for many years in the Eredivisie title race and as such, PSV is not a weak team and at least these two teams are comparable or at least on the same level as Benfica and PSV. PSV's defeat in the first leg, I think it's not a bad result because PSV has a good statistical record too, but that doesn't mean PSV will easily turn things around in the second leg because Benfica is also not a weak team.

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