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Quote from: Iranus on August 13, 2021, 09:03:22 AM

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Quote from: Iranus on August 13, 2021, 02:07:42 AM

He should have gone to a top club in Europe to test his abilities. He could have gone to the Premier League. Ligue 1 is the fifth league in Europe. There is no good team here except PSG. Only PSG reigns in this league. Moreover, the PSG team is not entirely new to Messi. Messi has played with Neymar, Di Maria and Icardi before.

He might even eventually go to the Premier League, but English clubs traditionally don't make such high investments. On the other hand, PSG is currently the only top club with the money to pay a Messi. For as you say, the French league is the least competitive at the moment.

Messi is now 34 years old. At the age of 36, if he joins any team in the Premier League, he will not be able to perform well. First of all, at the age of 36, he can't keep fit. He will get injured after performing in 2/1 matches. Secondly, players in the Premier League players need more speed. Messi dribbles brilliantly but is slower than other star players Ronaldo or Mbappe.

The English premier league is very competitive, there are no favorites. It would take him some time to get used to premier league, the mode of play is more aggressive than Spanish la liga. The injuries aren't something to laugh about. A simple match in EPL could result in a career ending injury

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Quote from: joker_josue on August 13, 2021, 07:02:46 AM

Quote from: Iranus on August 13, 2021, 02:07:42 AM

He should have gone to a top club in Europe to test his abilities. He could have gone to the Premier League. Ligue 1 is the fifth league in Europe. There is no good team here except PSG. Only PSG reigns in this league. Moreover, the PSG team is not entirely new to Messi. Messi has played with Neymar, Di Maria and Icardi before.

He might even eventually go to the Premier League, but English clubs traditionally don't make such high investments. On the other hand, PSG is currently the only top club with the money to pay a Messi. For as you say, the French league is the least competitive at the moment.

Messi is now 34 years old. At the age of 36, if he joins any team in the Premier League, he will not be able to perform well. First of all, at the age of 36, he can't keep fit. He will get injured after performing in 2/1 matches. Secondly, players in the Premier League players need more speed. Messi dribbles brilliantly but is slower than other star players Ronaldo or Mbappe.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on August 12, 2021, 02:18:03 AM

Lots of star players on the team, controlling them will be a difficult task for Pochettino. However, Messi is not fierce. He will not have a problem with the coach. Ramos and Mbappe can be a bit difficult to control. Since Mbappe has been at PSG for a few years, maybe his relationship with the coach is good. It will be a bit difficult to control Ramos. Rumor has it that PSG will sell Icardi, if it does, then Messi-Icardi's problem is solved. Moreover, Messi, Neymar, and Mbappe will be in the forward. Icardi will not get too many chances to play with Messi.

Agree! But it will also be exciting to see how well Neymar and Messi match up. They played together at Barcelona a few years ago and won the CL together once, but back then Messi was the absolute superstar and Neymar was "only" highly talented. Therefore, Messi was the undisputed leader, so the roles were clearly distributed. Today that is no longer the case and neither of the two will want to subordinate themselves in this star ensemble. That could create a lot of potential for conflict. It would be even more intense if Ronaldo were to switch to PSG.

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Quote from: Iranus on August 13, 2021, 02:07:42 AM

He should have gone to a top club in Europe to test his abilities. He could have gone to the Premier League. Ligue 1 is the fifth league in Europe. There is no good team here except PSG. Only PSG reigns in this league. Moreover, the PSG team is not entirely new to Messi. Messi has played with Neymar, Di Maria and Icardi before.

He might even eventually go to the Premier League, but English clubs traditionally don't make such high investments. On the other hand, PSG is currently the only top club with the money to pay a Messi. For as you say, the French league is the least competitive at the moment.

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Quote from: joker_josue on August 12, 2021, 07:26:02 PM

Quote from: suzanne5223 on August 12, 2021, 02:24:39 PM

Yes, Messi doesn't need to prove anything to someone for his previous record and knowledge of playing on the pitch speak louder than him proving himself but with people like Neymar whos his friend, and Di Maria whos his National (Argentine) teammate, Messi will easily adapt to the PSG city.
With Lionel Messi, Neymar, and Kylian Mbappe in the front I see PSG as the most competitive team and it will be bloody if they face the City in the Champions league.

I actually think he needs to show that he is capable of performing at the same level at other clubs, outside of Barcelona.
Barcelona has built over the last few years a team around Messi, adapted to his style of play and qualities. I don't think that's wrong, but going to another club that wasn't planned that way is a totally different and new challenge.

Of course he doesn't have to prove he's a great player! But he has to prove that he is able to be winning at other clubs.

He should have gone to a top club in Europe to test his abilities. He could have gone to the Premier League. Ligue 1 is the fifth league in Europe. There is no good team here except PSG. Only PSG reigns in this league. Moreover, the PSG team is not entirely new to Messi. Messi has played with Neymar, Di Maria and Icardi before.

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on August 12, 2021, 02:24:39 PM

Yes, Messi doesn't need to prove anything to someone for his previous record and knowledge of playing on the pitch speak louder than him proving himself but with people like Neymar whos his friend, and Di Maria whos his National (Argentine) teammate, Messi will easily adapt to the PSG city.
With Lionel Messi, Neymar, and Kylian Mbappe in the front I see PSG as the most competitive team and it will be bloody if they face the City in the Champions league.

I actually think he needs to show that he is capable of performing at the same level at other clubs, outside of Barcelona.
Barcelona has built over the last few years a team around Messi, adapted to his style of play and qualities. I don't think that's wrong, but going to another club that wasn't planned that way is a totally different and new challenge.

Of course he doesn't have to prove he's a great player! But he has to prove that he is able to be winning at other clubs.

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Quote from: slaman29 on August 12, 2021, 02:12:13 PM

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By the way, I noticed that the rule "who begins a series of penalties that wins" was the work even more tightly than before. I can't even remember when I last saw the opposite, although statistically the team starting the streak has an advantage of about 10%.

Not sure what you mean by this rule? If you have a streak of penalties you have a better chance of winning the shootout you mean? Didn't this also happen in the last EUROs though?

Italy failed the second kick and then England made it 2-1 so the pressure was on Italy, and then Italy even missed the last, but then we all know England missed their last 3 shots and boom, trophy lost.

The rule (or rather a statistical observation) is that the team that strikes first in the penalty shootout has a greater chance of winning than the opponent. And by the way, Italy was the first in the penalty shootout. In principle, this is easy to explain - the team that kicks the first one always goes one move ahead, and the second team catches up, so the first team has the right to make one mistake.

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Quote from: mv1986 on August 11, 2021, 10:34:44 PM

Indeed, very true comparison between City and PSG, go far and fall short. That is what would be so exciting if indeed both teams would face each other in a Champions League. One thing would be certain even before the game would have started: there'd be much more trauma to come for one of the two! Tongue

But Messi facing Pep and all the superstars in both squads, that would be a final worth every single second of the 90 minutes watching the game. I think that Messi will have one of his stronger seasons of his career in the coming year. Ligue 1 won't motivate him much although he will deliver, but in the CL I can see him go nuts once more as if he had to prove something bigger one more time.

I do not think that Messi should prove something to someone, for him at PSG it may take some time before he adapts to a new city, to a new team. He was very depressed when he left Barcelona, this can also affect his psychological state. But he is a professional, so everything should be fine. This season can really be good for him.

Yes, Messi doesn't need to prove anything to someone for his previous record and knowledge of playing on the pitch speak louder than him proving himself but with people like Neymar whos his friend, and Di Maria whos his National (Argentine) teammate, Messi will easily adapt to the PSG city.
With Lionel Messi, Neymar, and Kylian Mbappe in the front I see PSG as the most competitive team and it will be bloody if they face the City in the Champions league.

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Quote from: KTChampions on August 11, 2021, 05:56:39 PM

By the way, I noticed that the rule "who begins a series of penalties that wins" was the work even more tightly than before. I can't even remember when I last saw the opposite, although statistically the team starting the streak has an advantage of about 10%.

Not sure what you mean by this rule? If you have a streak of penalties you have a better chance of winning the shootout you mean? Didn't this also happen in the last EUROs though?

Italy failed the second kick and then England made it 2-1 so the pressure was on Italy, and then Italy even missed the last, but then we all know England missed their last 3 shots and boom, trophy lost.

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Quote from: casperBGD on August 12, 2021, 02:23:11 AM

Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on August 12, 2021, 02:18:03 AM

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Moreover, Messi, Neymar, and Mbappe will be in the forward. Icardi will not get too many chances to play with Messi.

and in the end, they will end up not getting CL title this season
they will score many goals during group stage, probably have some 7,8 goals games this season, but when comes to decision making, teams that have tough defense and better tactics will end up better

nevertheless, it is still qualification rounds, so PSG will join later in the competition, but making news due to Messi arrival

Are you saying PSG's defense is bad? Hakimi, Kimpembe and Ramos. They are very experienced and skilled. If you talk about match strategy, then I want to say, don't neglect coach Mauricio Pochettino. He is very experienced, the teams he coached before, the teams were not so good. There were no star players in the team. But now he has the best players in the world.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on August 12, 2021, 09:59:03 AM

Next week the first round of the Playoffs beginning.

Some games are very difficult to estimate, but I think Monaco, Dinamo, Benfica, RB Salzburg will advance. The other two games I can not estimate. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Ferencvaros, because the coach there is from Austria and I would like to see Peter Stöger promoted.

Funnily enough, two pair are clearly stronger than the others in this round. This is Monaco - Shakhtar and Benfica - PSV, I am sure that if they had not played with each other, then everyone would have passed to the next stage. It can be said that fate turned out to be supportive of the underdogs and gives everyone a chance, and the stronger teams compete with each other.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on August 12, 2021, 09:59:03 AM

Some games are very difficult to estimate, but I think Monaco, Dinamo, Benfica, RB Salzburg will advance. The other two games I can not estimate. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Ferencvaros, because the coach there is from Austria and I would like to see Peter Stöger promoted.

I would say the Young Boys should also be able to win and enter the Champions League.
They have had good performances in the Europa League in previous seasons.

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Next week the first round of the Playoffs beginning.

Some games are very difficult to estimate, but I think Monaco, Dinamo, Benfica, RB Salzburg will advance. The other two games I can not estimate. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Ferencvaros, because the coach there is from Austria and I would like to see Peter Stöger promoted.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on August 11, 2021, 03:05:34 PM

I think there is no point to open a new thread for one game but remember the game with the winner of the Champion's League and the winner of the Europa League is ongoing.

Chelsea - Villareal started and 0-0 for now, Chelsea is doing better.

- Chelsea won the 2021 European Super Cup. The Blues won after beating Villarreal on penalties.
Chelsea vs Villarreal took place at Windsor Park, Thursday (12/8/2021) early morning WIB. Chelsea came with the status of champions of the Champions League and Villarreal were champions of the Europa League.

The Blues took the lead in the first half through Hakim Ziyech's goal. Villarreal just equalized the score to 1-1 in the second half through Gerard Moreno, who at the same time made the duel continue to extra time. And then in the penalty shootout Chelsea won..

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Quote from: mv1986 on August 11, 2021, 10:34:44 PM

But Messi facing Pep and all the superstars in both squads, that would be a final worth every single second of the 90 minutes watching the game. I think that Messi will have one of his stronger seasons of his career in the coming year. Ligue 1 won't motivate him much although he will deliver, but in the CL I can see him go nuts once more as if he had to prove something bigger one more time.

Football spectacle tat will be indeed. If Pep gets his team glued together without strikers and good old Poch finds his way to meld the egos at his disposal I think the match will be huge. But a semifinal match only please, I'd love to see Klopp and Poch go at each other's throats in a final... heavy metal football versus Galactico 2.0!

P.S. Don't forget Europa and Conference league games tonight people;)

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Quote from: mv1986 on August 11, 2021, 10:34:44 PM

Indeed, very true comparison between City and PSG, go far and fall short. That is what would be so exciting if indeed both teams would face each other in a Champions League. One thing would be certain even before the game would have started: there'd be much more trauma to come for one of the two! Tongue

But Messi facing Pep and all the superstars in both squads, that would be a final worth every single second of the 90 minutes watching the game. I think that Messi will have one of his stronger seasons of his career in the coming year. Ligue 1 won't motivate him much although he will deliver, but in the CL I can see him go nuts once more as if he had to prove something bigger one more time.

The main similarity between City and PSG is that they are moneybags. It's hard for me to imagine what the lineups of these clubs would have been if UEFA hadn't introduced a financial fair play. Although even without this, the composition of PSG and City often resembles the composition of Real from the era of the galacticos.
In the Champions League I will cheer against both of these teams, I don't like moneybags Cheesy

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Quote from: mv1986 on August 11, 2021, 10:34:44 PM

Indeed, very true comparison between City and PSG, go far and fall short. That is what would be so exciting if indeed both teams would face each other in a Champions League. One thing would be certain even before the game would have started: there'd be much more trauma to come for one of the two! Tongue

But Messi facing Pep and all the superstars in both squads, that would be a final worth every single second of the 90 minutes watching the game. I think that Messi will have one of his stronger seasons of his career in the coming year. Ligue 1 won't motivate him much although he will deliver, but in the CL I can see him go nuts once more as if he had to prove something bigger one more time.

I do not think that Messi should prove something to someone, for him at PSG it may take some time before he adapts to a new city, to a new team. He was very depressed when he left Barcelona, this can also affect his psychological state. But he is a professional, so everything should be fine. This season can really be good for him.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on August 12, 2021, 02:18:03 AM

~snip
Moreover, Messi, Neymar, and Mbappe will be in the forward. Icardi will not get too many chances to play with Messi.

and in the end, they will end up not getting CL title this season
they will score many goals during group stage, probably have some 7,8 goals games this season, but when comes to decision making, teams that have tough defense and better tactics will end up better

nevertheless, it is still qualification rounds, so PSG will join later in the competition, but making news due to Messi arrival

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Quote from: Shasha80 on August 11, 2021, 11:53:42 PM

Quote from: Juggy777 on August 11, 2021, 11:20:04 PM

Quote from: mv1986 on August 11, 2021, 10:34:44 PM

Indeed, very true comparison between City and PSG, go far and fall short. That is what would be so exciting if indeed both teams would face each other in a Champions League. One thing would be certain even before the game would have started: there'd be much more trauma to come for one of the two! Tongue

But Messi facing Pep and all the superstars in both squads, that would be a final worth every single second of the 90 minutes watching the game. I think that Messi will have one of his stronger seasons of his career in the coming year. Ligue 1 won't motivate him much although he will deliver, but in the CL I can see him go nuts once more as if he had to prove something bigger one more time.

I also would like to add that Poch has a huge task at his hand with this randomly assembled squad, hence I don’t expect PSG to win Champions League because they barely had any time to integrate all player’s. Furthermore while these are superstars, but the bigger superstar bigger their ego, so Poch will have a hard time managing their fragile egos.

If we look at Pochettino's career as a coach, before becoming PSG coach, Pochettino has never been the coach of a big team with many star
players. So I agree with you that being PSG coach must be a tough task for Pochettino, because Pochettino must be a firm and authoritative coach,
so that he is respected by the star players at PSG. It is very difficult to control many star players, because star players must have their own ego.
It is very interesting that Pochettino, who has a systematic strategy, has to manage PSG players who are dominated by many star players.
Moreover, we know Icardi and Messi have personal problems, this will be an internal problem in the PSG squad.

Lots of star players on the team, controlling them will be a difficult task for Pochettino. However, Messi is not fierce. He will not have a problem with the coach. Ramos and Mbappe can be a bit difficult to control. Since Mbappe has been at PSG for a few years, maybe his relationship with the coach is good. It will be a bit difficult to control Ramos. Rumor has it that PSG will sell Icardi, if it does, then Messi-Icardi's problem is solved. Moreover, Messi, Neymar, and Mbappe will be in the forward. Icardi will not get too many chances to play with Messi.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on August 11, 2021, 11:20:04 PM

Quote from: mv1986 on August 11, 2021, 10:34:44 PM

Indeed, very true comparison between City and PSG, go far and fall short. That is what would be so exciting if indeed both teams would face each other in a Champions League. One thing would be certain even before the game would have started: there'd be much more trauma to come for one of the two! Tongue

But Messi facing Pep and all the superstars in both squads, that would be a final worth every single second of the 90 minutes watching the game. I think that Messi will have one of his stronger seasons of his career in the coming year. Ligue 1 won't motivate him much although he will deliver, but in the CL I can see him go nuts once more as if he had to prove something bigger one more time.

I also would like to add that Poch has a huge task at his hand with this randomly assembled squad, hence I don’t expect PSG to win Champions League because they barely had any time to integrate all player’s. Furthermore while these are superstars, but the bigger superstar bigger their ego, so Poch will have a hard time managing their fragile egos.

If we look at Pochettino's career as a coach, before becoming PSG coach, Pochettino has never been the coach of a big team with many star
players. So I agree with you that being PSG coach must be a tough task for Pochettino, because Pochettino must be a firm and authoritative coach,
so that he is respected by the star players at PSG. It is very difficult to control many star players, because star players must have their own ego.
It is very interesting that Pochettino, who has a systematic strategy, has to manage PSG players who are dominated by many star players.
Moreover, we know Icardi and Messi have personal problems, this will be an internal problem in the PSG squad.

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