Group 2 for the next Champions will be stronger than Group 1.
Do you agree?
1.
City
Bayern
Inter
Lille
Atletico
Chelsea or Zenit if Chelsea will win the Cl
Villareal/United
2
Madrid
PSG
Barcellona
United if they lose the Europa Leauge
Siviglia
Chelsea if they lose the CL
Dortmund
Porto
Juve
Liverpool
Source: https://twitter.com/NonSoloJuve/status/1396572105186152456
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^^I do not agree that Portugal would be better or worse for a certain team. First of all no matter how much people want to say City is a historical old team that has been around a lot, we have to accept the fact that City was never really this huge all around the world specially until the Y generation, maybe the Z generation may know them a lot better while growing up, which means all around the world we heard about Chelsea being at high level and champions league before we have seen City and that is why "worldwide" Chelsea could be known a bit more.
However that doesn't really change between Turkey and Portugal, I believe that could be at the same level. One thing we all know is the numbers, Portugal has lower population and also better covid situation whereas Turkey has a higher population and also worse covid situation so I am 100% sure that is the only reason.
However that doesn't really change between Turkey and Portugal, I believe that could be at the same level. One thing we all know is the numbers, Portugal has lower population and also better covid situation whereas Turkey has a higher population and also worse covid situation so I am 100% sure that is the only reason.
I'm from Portugal, and honestly I don't feel that there are so many Chelsea fans.
According to the map, there should be many Arsenal London fan in my country. I have a good insight in the football scene here and have not met a single Arsenal fan. Only many Liverpool fans after Klopp became coach. Now also more and more who have an eye on Chelsea because of Tuchel. No idea where the data for the map come from, but I think they can't be right.
Chelsea's victory over Real was really "fabulous" but I didn't think they would be able to do the same against City
Well, Chelsea's victory in the English Cup raised this concern for me
Concern very valid!Well, Chelsea's victory in the English Cup raised this concern for me
Chelsea beats Realmadrid convincingly and also beat city in the premier league which looked like they were building some confidence but to fail to win the English Cup could dent their confidence, hope it doesn't demotivate them when the face city soon.
I still think City will win, but in any case, I'll bet on a Chelsea victory... yes, I'm a bit bipolar 
Make up your mind, who is winning mate....I think City will overpower Chelsea. 
hahahahha you are a funny person and to be honest I'm a little confused by what you think, you say that Manchester City will beat Chelsea but you bet on a club that you really doubt to win , I think you are a bettor who doesn't have a fixed stance, My advice is better if you bet on both teams, on the one hand you bet on Chelsea to win and on the other hand you hold Manchester City to win, and I am sure at the end of the match you will not lose your money at all 
, I think you are a bettor who doesn't have a fixed stance, My advice is better if you bet on both teams, on the one hand you bet on Chelsea to win and on the other hand you hold Manchester City to win, and I am sure at the end of the match you will not lose your money at all There are always surprises, and where you can win good money is when you have the rush to bet on the one who is least likely to win.
Of course, the likelihood of losing is very high. But if the person is willing to take that risk, there can be suppressions.
If everyone bets on what is most likely to win, the prize was not that big.
I think the results of the match will be largely determined by the efforts of the two teams in the field and not the current statistics.
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Chelsea's victory over Real was really "fabulous" but I didn't think they would be able to do the same against City
Well, Chelsea's victory in the English Cup raised this concern for me
It will certainly be a very beautiful game to see, a final worthy of the best football championship in the world.
I still think City will win, but in any case, I'll bet on a Chelsea victory... yes, I'm a bit bipolar
Well, Chelsea's victory in the English Cup raised this concern for me
It will certainly be a very beautiful game to see, a final worthy of the best football championship in the world.
I still think City will win, but in any case, I'll bet on a Chelsea victory... yes, I'm a bit bipolar
If you think that Manchester City will win, then why are you betting on Chelsea?
I guess you won't bet a lot of money on them. Then even if your bet loses, it will not be too sad for you.
Chelsea's victory over Real was really "fabulous" but I didn't think they would be able to do the same against City
Well, Chelsea's victory in the English Cup raised this concern for me
It will certainly be a very beautiful game to see, a final worthy of the best football championship in the world.
I still think City will win, but in any case, I'll bet on a Chelsea victory... yes, I'm a bit bipolar
Even though Chelsea winning the English Cup does not make the chances in the Champions League become big, because this is a big tournament, but if Chelsea wins then those who bet on it will get a high enough return. Well, Chelsea's victory in the English Cup raised this concern for me
It will certainly be a very beautiful game to see, a final worthy of the best football championship in the world.
I still think City will win, but in any case, I'll bet on a Chelsea victory... yes, I'm a bit bipolar
Chelsea's victory over Real was really "fabulous" but I didn't think they would be able to do the same against City
Well, Chelsea's victory in the English Cup raised this concern for me
It will certainly be a very beautiful game to see, a final worthy of the best football championship in the world.
I still think City will win, but in any case, I'll bet on a Chelsea victory... yes, I'm a bit bipolar
Well, Chelsea's victory in the English Cup raised this concern for me
It will certainly be a very beautiful game to see, a final worthy of the best football championship in the world.
I still think City will win, but in any case, I'll bet on a Chelsea victory... yes, I'm a bit bipolar
If you think that Manchester City will win, then why are you betting on Chelsea?
I guess you won't bet a lot of money on them. Then even if your bet loses, it will not be too sad for you. 
hahahahha you are a funny person and to be honest I'm a little confused by what you think, you say that Manchester City will beat Chelsea but you bet on a club that you really doubt to win , I think you are a bettor who doesn't have a fixed stance, My advice is better if you bet on both teams, on the one hand you bet on Chelsea to win and on the other hand you hold Manchester City to win, and I am sure at the end of the match you will not lose your money at all
, I think you are a bettor who doesn't have a fixed stance, My advice is better if you bet on both teams, on the one hand you bet on Chelsea to win and on the other hand you hold Manchester City to win, and I am sure at the end of the match you will not lose your money at all There are always surprises, and where you can win good money is when you have the rush to bet on the one who is least likely to win.
Of course, the likelihood of losing is very high. But if the person is willing to take that risk, there can be suppressions.
If everyone bets on what is most likely to win, the prize was not that big.
Exactly my train of thought. I said that if Tuchel manages to beat Pep in one or two games, It's a 50:50 final for sure. When you look at the stats Chelsea's offense is really bad, but they don't concede goals. I am pretty sure when Chelsea takes a 1-0 lead, Pep knows it is gonna be very tough. Honestly, I'd be happy for both of them, I just hope it is going to be a great game. Tuchel deserves it, and Pep does, too. They are both incredible coaches.
Sure. If Pep and Manchester City begin the final match with the attitude to beat or destroy Chelsea and if Chelsea score first. Bad things for Pep and Man City because with Kante in the midfield, Chelsea will be able to break connections between De Bruyne and Man City's midfielders with attackers.The final match will be decided by the first goal. If Man City score first, they can score more goals and close the match. If Chelsea score first, they will have chance to get the trophy, their second in history.
Tuchel lost one final against PSG. Recently lost another one against Chelsea and this time to Leicester. I think this one will also lose. Especially the opponent of Manchester City. The team is stronger than Leicester and stronger than Bayern. And very eager to win the Champions League.
The both teams are eager to win the CL alike, not just City, Chelsea have won it before, just once though, but I'm pretty sure they'll be eager to make it two, Pep has won it twice, but that's a long time ago, Tuchel has never won it, but went as far as the final last season, everyone involved in the final needs this trophy, for pride, bragging right, reputation, to assert dominance etc.City have dominated English football in the past decade, it's just the CL that has eluded them thus far, quite a lot of people believe that's the reason Pep was signed, he now has the opportunity to beat his chest as the only manager in City's history to have won every major trophy for them, it's going to be an enthralling final on the 29th, but I'm of the opinion that Pep will outwit Tuchel in the end.
This is a clash of the giants in terms of their history regarding finals and achievements and failures. Guardiola wants to get rid of the saying that he can only win with Messi, Tuchel wants to make it for the first time but Chelsea is losing steam just now. I would call that bad timing but a final is still a final. For him every game from now on will be a final and he can't even rotate within the team that much or he risks to lose the routine that has been built up within his team.
Hmm I won't call neither of the teams having a giant history but most likely a good recent history but so far City did not won a single international trophy so maybe it's time for that 2012 final when Chelsea had pure luck and a Drogba in monster mood to rotate around City and take the win and the tittle. Also Guardiola really lost ages from his life trying to win the UCL again with both Bayern and now with City so maybe it's time for him as Tuchel proved that he is a future coach that probably will win his title at some point , maybe even now but like I said the odds are with City and Pep.
With giants I rather referred to their close defeats, especially Manchester City. It is not like they've never been able to win it. The ways they were kicked out were sometimes unlucky or due to their inefficiency. In almost all cases they dominated the games. I know that is not what finally counts, but still in some games for City it felt like Bayern against Chelsea and as you mentioned, Bayern lost it despite 17:1 corners if I remember correctly plus a penalty in overtime.
@mv1986 initially I thought that Manchester City would easily win it, but Tuchel has shown that he’s not a newbie and by beating Pep twice, I believe that he has gained an psychological advantage going in this fixture. Also it’s pertinent to note that Chelsea strikers are goal shy, and that’s where they may lose the plot against City, hence I’m torn on whom to wager on for this finale.
Exactly my train of thought. I said that if Tuchel manages to beat Pep in one or two games, It's a 50:50 final for sure. When you look at the stats Chelsea's offense is really bad, but they don't concede goals. I am pretty sure when Chelsea takes a 1-0 lead, Pep knows it is gonna be very tough. Honestly, I'd be happy for both of them, I just hope it is going to be a great game. Tuchel deserves it, and Pep does, too. They are both incredible coaches.
Chelsea's victory over Real was really "fabulous" but I didn't think they would be able to do the same against City
Well, Chelsea's victory in the English Cup raised this concern for me
It will certainly be a very beautiful game to see, a final worthy of the best football championship in the world.
I still think City will win, but in any case, I'll bet on a Chelsea victory... yes, I'm a bit bipolar
hahahahha you are a funny person and to be honest I'm a little confused by what you think, you say that Manchester City will beat Chelsea but you bet on a club that you really doubt to win Well, Chelsea's victory in the English Cup raised this concern for me
It will certainly be a very beautiful game to see, a final worthy of the best football championship in the world.
I still think City will win, but in any case, I'll bet on a Chelsea victory... yes, I'm a bit bipolar
, I think you are a bettor who doesn't have a fixed stance, My advice is better if you bet on both teams, on the one hand you bet on Chelsea to win and on the other hand you hold Manchester City to win, and I am sure at the end of the match you will not lose your money at all 
Chelsea's victory over Real was really "fabulous" but I didn't think they would be able to do the same against City
Well, Chelsea's victory in the English Cup raised this concern for me
It will certainly be a very beautiful game to see, a final worthy of the best football championship in the world.
I still think City will win, but in any case, I'll bet on a Chelsea victory... yes, I'm a bit bipolar
Well, Chelsea's victory in the English Cup raised this concern for me
It will certainly be a very beautiful game to see, a final worthy of the best football championship in the world.
I still think City will win, but in any case, I'll bet on a Chelsea victory... yes, I'm a bit bipolar
Btw, as it turned out, all visiting fans will have to leave the country on the day the match ends, which is strange considering that Portugal is on the green list. And given the restrictions on the movement of fans, it can be assumed that the real reasons for the transfer of the match from Istanbul are hidden behind the scenes.
Yes, it's a little weird. Besides having to do the tests for Covid.
But I believe, it was more because of Portugal being on the green list, and no longer requires quarantine in the UK. If it were in Torquia, teams and fans would be required to be quarantined when they return to the UK.
But I admit that I may be mistaken, there are more Chelsea fans in Portugal.
Well, I can hardly argue with you because I'm not from Portugal, but besides the map, I also thought about Mourinho and a few other people ... Btw, as it turned out, all visiting fans will have to leave the country on the day the match ends, which is strange considering that Portugal is on the green list. And given the restrictions on the movement of fans, it can be assumed that the real reasons for the transfer of the match from Istanbul are hidden behind the scenes. 
I don't think playing in Portugal or any other place will have an impact on the game, it all depends from how ready players are that day.
You are right, except the match will be held at the home of one of the contestants. If it happens, it probably has an impact on the match.Well, as it is in Portugal, I think will be no impacts at all. Which team can win the final match depending on how good their mental and strategy. It is the final match, the preparation or experience of each team will be very helpful. If they are not ready, they cannot show the best performance in that match. Let's see which team can prepare better and has a stronger mentality.
The last meeting between Manchester City and Chelsea cannot be an assessment, Chelsea's victory at that time can be said to be lucky.
Because throughout the match the two teams played equally well, even the statistics of the two teams were almost the same. But Chelsea
were lucky before the game ended, they managed to score a goal on 92 minutes. After all, at that time Manchester City was confirmed to be
the Premier League champion, so maybe Man City players don't really want to win.
Now the meetings in the Champions League are different, both teams are definitely ambitious to become champions, and the Champions
League is indeed one of Man City's targets this season. I am sure that in the Champions League final Man City will play a lot different than
when they lost to Chelsea in the Premier League. I predict Manchester City will win the Champions League this season, it doesn't mean that
Chelsea doesn't have a chance. But I believe Manchester City's chances are bigger than Chelsea.
I don't think playing in Portugal or any other place will have an impact on the game, it all depends from how ready players are that day.
You are right, except the match will be held at the home of one of the contestants. If it happens, it probably has an impact on the match.Well, as it is in Portugal, I think will be no impacts at all. Which team can win the final match depending on how good their mental and strategy. It is the final match, the preparation or experience of each team will be very helpful. If they are not ready, they cannot show the best performance in that match. Let's see which team can prepare better and has a stronger mentality.
What is the advantage that Chelsea has, for the final to be made in Portugal, instead of Turkey?
I don't see anything in Portugal, which benefits Chelsea.
Rather the opposite. Man City has several Portuguese players.
I was guided only by the data of the interactive fan map ... and it looks like Chelsea will indeed be more comfortable playing in Portugal (aside from the crowds of traveling fans). So, I have a counter question, why did you decide Porto will wait with open arms for Manchester City? [except for the case that you are local]I don't see anything in Portugal, which benefits Chelsea.
Rather the opposite. Man City has several Portuguese players.
I'm from Portugal, and honestly I don't feel that there are so many Chelsea fans. I believe they have fans because it was a club trained by Mourinho. I would prefer that Chelsea win, I don't think.
Nowadays I see more the Portuguese supporting City because of the Portuguese players in the squad.
We have Bernardo Silva, João Cancelo and Ruben Dias, who were players of Benfica, the club in Portugal with more fans. And goalkeeper Ederson, who also played for Benfica.
But I admit that I may be mistaken, there are more Chelsea fans in Portugal.
I don't think playing in Portugal or any other place will have an impact on the game, it all depends from how ready players are that day.
You are right, except the match will be held at the home of one of the contestants. If it happens, it probably has an impact on the match.Well, as it is in Portugal, I think will be no impacts at all. Which team can win the final match depending on how good their mental and strategy. It is the final match, the preparation or experience of each team will be very helpful. If they are not ready, they cannot show the best performance in that match. Let's see which team can prepare better and has a stronger mentality.
I don't see any advantage for one team either, both teams from England have the same game schedule in the league, so neither has an advantage where the final is played. But I think that Manchester City is a bit stronger and will probably win the final at the first time.
icopress has explained why, although I find the map not very accurate.City is better and Guardiola is determined to get the trophy this season. In the other hand, Chelsea shouldn't be underestimated and the team improved a lot with Tuchel.
I don't think playing in Portugal or any other place will have an impact on the game, it all depends from how ready players are that day.
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