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Quote from: kassex on May 16, 2021, 10:02:16 AM

Tuchel lost one final against PSG. Recently lost another one against Chelsea and this time to Leicester. I think this one will also lose. Especially the opponent of Manchester City. The team is stronger than Leicester and stronger than Bayern. And very eager to win the Champions League.

Chelsea lost in the FA Cup, and as incredible as it may be, the FA Cup has always been a race full of suppressors. So it is difficult to make comparisons with the results in that cup with other competitions.
Now, it was a final, and they were not able to overcome it.

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Quote from: kassex on May 16, 2021, 10:02:16 AM

Tuchel lost one final against PSG. Recently lost another one against Chelsea and this time to Leicester. I think this one will also lose. Especially the opponent of Manchester City. The team is stronger than Leicester and stronger than Bayern. And very eager to win the Champions League.

The both teams are eager to win the CL alike, not just City, Chelsea have won it before, just once though, but I'm pretty sure they'll be eager to make it two, Pep has won it twice, but that's a long time ago, Tuchel has never won it, but went as far as the final last season, everyone involved in the final needs this trophy, for pride, bragging right, reputation, to assert dominance etc.

City have dominated English football in the past decade, it's just the CL that has eluded them thus far, quite a lot of people believe that's the reason Pep was signed, he now has the opportunity to beat his chest as the only manager in City's history to have won every major trophy for them, it's going to be an enthralling final on the 29th, but I'm of the opinion that Pep will outwit Tuchel in the end.

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Quote from: joker_josue on May 13, 2021, 01:18:56 PM

Tuchel is a good coach, no doubt, but at the level of experience in the Champions League, Guardiola has more experience.
Although they are practically the same generation of coaches, Guardiola is much more experienced.

This is Tuchel second champions league final in the last 2 years and Pep's first in the past 7 years + now, this is final and both coaches are here to prove a point so the most important thing right now is how tactical you are and sometimes you need a bit of luck to win the champions league final, in 2012 Bayern was the best team but Chelsea clinched the title at the end of the day.

Chelsea is getting this one.

I don't know if in 2012 Bayern Munich was the best team because even, if I checked it that year even Bayern were only runners up and the title holder that season was Dortmund. But indeed, in that year it could be compared if Bayern were the best compared to Chelsea if the reference was seen from the standings in each league. In this Final I also still want to see the magic of Tuchel but because the opponent is City with coach Pep, I personally feel not sure Tuchel will get the trend as good as before.

Tuchel lost one final against PSG. Recently lost another one against Chelsea and this time to Leicester. I think this one will also lose. Especially the opponent of Manchester City. The team is stronger than Leicester and stronger than Bayern. And very eager to win the Champions League.

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Quote from: acquafredda on May 15, 2021, 03:20:03 AM

I see, eventually, all things in life are driven by one thing only: money. This does not justify the fact that given the current situation going on it would have been much better to move the final to England and avoid a costly and dangerous trip overseas for 12,000 supporters (which is a huge number these days around public events).

True. Few months ago, the pandemic situation in England was very different than now with more restrictions imposed. Right now, it is the opposite with the successful vaccination campaign. I find it also absurd to move thousands of people from a country to another unless they were making an experiment Roll Eyes

Anyway I am excited to see City winning vs Chelsea whether the game is played in Porto or Pluto!

The experiment is one of the examples that popped into my mind: you know, they have the opportunity to avoid these people to go overseas and what do they do, they choose yet another city somewhere else. It is either stupid or diabolic, depending on your point of view.
12,000 supportes moving along around the same time will mean having hundreds of hundreds of people amassing on planes, buses, cars, squares etc.

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Quote from: Igebotz on May 14, 2021, 07:56:55 AM

Quote from: joker_josue on May 13, 2021, 01:18:56 PM

Tuchel is a good coach, no doubt, but at the level of experience in the Champions League, Guardiola has more experience.
Although they are practically the same generation of coaches, Guardiola is much more experienced.

This is Tuchel second champions league final in the last 2 years and Pep's first in the past 7 years + now, this is final and both coaches are here to prove a point so the most important thing right now is how tactical you are and sometimes you need a bit of luck to win the champions league final, in 2012 Bayern was the best team but Chelsea clinched the title at the end of the day.

Chelsea is getting this one.

I don't know if in 2012 Bayern Munich was the best team because even, if I checked it that year even Bayern were only runners up and the title holder that season was Dortmund. But indeed, in that year it could be compared if Bayern were the best compared to Chelsea if the reference was seen from the standings in each league. In this Final I also still want to see the magic of Tuchel but because the opponent is City with coach Pep, I personally feel not sure Tuchel will get the trend as good as before.

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Quote from: snipie on May 15, 2021, 11:40:12 AM

Quote from: acquafredda on May 15, 2021, 03:20:03 AM

I see, eventually, all things in life are driven by one thing only: money. This does not justify the fact that given the current situation going on it would have been much better to move the final to England and avoid a costly and dangerous trip overseas for 12,000 supporters (which is a huge number these days around public events).

True. Few months ago, the pandemic situation in England was very different than now with more restrictions imposed. Right now, it is the opposite with the successful vaccination campaign. I find it also absurd to move thousands of people from a country to another unless they were making an experiment Roll Eyes

Anyway I am excited to see City winning vs Chelsea whether the game is played in Porto or Pluto!

This has become a consideration for UEFA and the final is now only attended by 12,000 and of course this is a large number but this is a consequence if the Covid-19 period in Portugal increases then the EUFA will change the new rules how it should be better to avoid Covid but what is it possible for would it be safe if the whole world started to come to the country?

Actually this final was not that memorable because both teams were from PL so I just wanted to see Manchester City win the champions league first.
Porto will be the witness of this final.

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Quote from: acquafredda on May 15, 2021, 03:20:03 AM

I see, eventually, all things in life are driven by one thing only: money. This does not justify the fact that given the current situation going on it would have been much better to move the final to England and avoid a costly and dangerous trip overseas for 12,000 supporters (which is a huge number these days around public events).

True. Few months ago, the pandemic situation in England was very different than now with more restrictions imposed. Right now, it is the opposite with the successful vaccination campaign. I find it also absurd to move thousands of people from a country to another unless they were making an experiment Roll Eyes

Anyway I am excited to see City winning vs Chelsea whether the game is played in Porto or Pluto!

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Quote from: tyz on May 15, 2021, 07:07:33 AM

Quote from: joker_josue on May 13, 2021, 01:18:56 PM

Quote from: Iranus on May 13, 2021, 01:03:47 PM

Tuche is a very good coach, no doubt about it. But Guardiola is in charge of Manchester City. Is he less experienced than Tuchel?

Tuchel is a good coach, no doubt, but at the level of experience in the Champions League, Guardiola has more experience.
Although they are practically the same generation of coaches, Guardiola is much more experienced.

If always the coach with the most experience would win, then many teams should not have won the CL the last years. I think the final is completely open. I personally see Chelsea as the favorite. Tuchel has shown in the league game that he can beat Guardiola, and it was not the first time he did. But of course, the CL final will be a completely different game.

If you compare the best coaches Pep Guardiola and Thomas Tuchel, I think Guardiola is far superior looking at the history of the club he holds, but the team will be much more important because the team is the driving machine that determines the game.
Guardiola has always been successful and left a good mark at the clubs he worked for, especially at Barcelona and Bayern Munich, and I'm not taking anyone's side because I think these two coaches are the best because they can take their clubs to the final.

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Quote from: tyz on May 15, 2021, 07:07:33 AM

Quote from: joker_josue on May 13, 2021, 01:18:56 PM

Quote from: Iranus on May 13, 2021, 01:03:47 PM

Tuche is a very good coach, no doubt about it. But Guardiola is in charge of Manchester City. Is he less experienced than Tuchel?

Tuchel is a good coach, no doubt, but at the level of experience in the Champions League, Guardiola has more experience.
Although they are practically the same generation of coaches, Guardiola is much more experienced.

If always the coach with the most experience would win, then many teams should not have won the CL the last years. I think the final is completely open. I personally see Chelsea as the favorite. Tuchel has shown in the league game that he can beat Guardiola, and it was not the first time he did. But of course, the CL final will be a completely different game.

Imossible, IMO. I have made many false predictions in the CL discussion already but I still have no fate in Chelsea will knock down Man city and win the biggest title after many years. Tuchel is a good coach, however, England is the most competitive environment where coaches need at least 2 years to earn good cups.

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Quote from: tyz on May 15, 2021, 07:07:33 AM

Quote from: joker_josue on May 13, 2021, 01:18:56 PM

Quote from: Iranus on May 13, 2021, 01:03:47 PM

Tuche is a very good coach, no doubt about it. But Guardiola is in charge of Manchester City. Is he less experienced than Tuchel?

Tuchel is a good coach, no doubt, but at the level of experience in the Champions League, Guardiola has more experience.
Although they are practically the same generation of coaches, Guardiola is much more experienced.

If always the coach with the most experience would win, then many teams should not have won the CL the last years. I think the final is completely open. I personally see Chelsea as the favorite. Tuchel has shown in the league game that he can beat Guardiola, and it was not the first time he did. But of course, the CL final will be a completely different game.

It is true that having an experienced coach like Guardiola is more advantageous, because Guardiola already knows what strategy is best to
become champions in the Champions League. But as you say, to become a Champions League champion does not only depend on the experience of
the coach. However, many factors can determine to win the Champions League trophy, although I am optimistic that Man City will be the winner of
the Champions League. It's not that Chelsea doesn't have a chance to win the Champions League. Moreover, Chelsea managed to prove they could
beat Man City in the Premier League. So there could be a surprise in the Champions League final, therefore I can't wait to watch the Champions
League final.

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Quote from: joker_josue on May 13, 2021, 01:18:56 PM

Quote from: Iranus on May 13, 2021, 01:03:47 PM

Tuche is a very good coach, no doubt about it. But Guardiola is in charge of Manchester City. Is he less experienced than Tuchel?

Tuchel is a good coach, no doubt, but at the level of experience in the Champions League, Guardiola has more experience.
Although they are practically the same generation of coaches, Guardiola is much more experienced.

If always the coach with the most experience would win, then many teams should not have won the CL the last years. I think the final is completely open. I personally see Chelsea as the favorite. Tuchel has shown in the league game that he can beat Guardiola, and it was not the first time he did. But of course, the CL final will be a completely different game.

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Quote from: acquafredda on May 13, 2021, 02:25:10 PM

Eventually 12,000 English supporters could go to Porto to watch the much awaited Champions League final Manchester City - Chelsea (each club will receive 6,000 tickets for their fans).
At this point, I think it would have been better to have the final in England since all the supporters will need to go through all the necessary covid checks while travelling abroad. Isnt't it a bit stupid?

because of the Corona pandemic, it really wouldn't have been bad to play the final in England. now thousands of fans are making their way to Portugal.
they could have played the final in Liverpool or in another neutral stadium in England.
it would be cheaper for the fans and there would be 100% less international contacts.
but anyway. the final is set, the venue too and now we can hope that it will be a good and exciting final with hopefully many goals on both sides.

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Quote from: acquafredda on May 13, 2021, 02:25:10 PM

Eventually 12,000 English supporters could go to Porto to watch the much awaited Champions League final Manchester City - Chelsea (each club will receive 6,000 tickets for their fans).
At this point, I think it would have been better to have the final in England since all the supporters will need to go through all the necessary covid checks while travelling abroad. Isnt't it a bit stupid?

you didn't say a stupid thing, in fact it is very smart and intelligent
but the problem is that the designated stadium will not see that money, and therefore they will oppose it
if they could find a way to divide the money, as smart people ... anything could be done

I see, eventually, all things in life are driven by one thing only: money. This does not justify the fact that given the current situation going on it would have been much better to move the final to England and avoid a costly and dangerous trip overseas for 12,000 supporters (which is a huge number these days around public events).

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Quote from: joker_josue on May 13, 2021, 01:18:56 PM

Quote from: Iranus on May 13, 2021, 01:03:47 PM

Tuche is a very good coach, no doubt about it. But Guardiola is in charge of Manchester City. Is he less experienced than Tuchel?

Tuchel is a good coach, no doubt, but at the level of experience in the Champions League, Guardiola has more experience.
Although they are practically the same generation of coaches, Guardiola is much more experienced.

We will see great tactic wars that's for sure. Like you said, Guardiola has much more experience here comparing to Tuchel. But Tuchel could really surprise Guardiola with his nice preferences. They defeated City in the PL lately and Guardiola must be aware of the big threat.

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Quote from: Igebotz on May 14, 2021, 07:56:55 AM

in 2012 Bayern was the best team but Chelsea clinched the title at the end of the day.

I don't think this seasons Final will be like that of 2012, the better side will more likely be victorious this season, it's going to be a game of tactical genius from the two managers, I think it'll be down to which manager can outwit the other on the night, Chelsea have won their last two games against City, this could either work in their favor or not, cause it could either give them confidence that City are very much beatable or it could make City to be very careful and weary and work on the loopholes that led to their previous two losses against the Blues.

Quote from: Igebotz on May 14, 2021, 07:56:55 AM

Chelsea is getting this one.

Imo, it'll be pep making history with City, by winning City's first ever UCL title on the 29th.

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Quote from: Igebotz on May 14, 2021, 07:56:55 AM

This is Tuchel second champions league final in the last 2 years and Pep's first in the past 7 years + now, this is final and both coaches are here to prove a point so the most important thing right now is how tactical you are and sometimes you need a bit of luck to win the champions league final, in 2012 Bayern was the best team but Chelsea clinched the title at the end of the day.

This is true, but Pep already knows the taste of victory in the Champions League, I have already won twice the race.
Even if in the last few years you have not reached the final, it does not take away the experience you have.

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Quote from: joker_josue on May 13, 2021, 01:18:56 PM

Tuchel is a good coach, no doubt, but at the level of experience in the Champions League, Guardiola has more experience.
Although they are practically the same generation of coaches, Guardiola is much more experienced.

This is Tuchel second champions league final in the last 2 years and Pep's first in the past 7 years + now, this is final and both coaches are here to prove a point so the most important thing right now is how tactical you are and sometimes you need a bit of luck to win the champions league final, in 2012 Bayern was the best team but Chelsea clinched the title at the end of the day.

Chelsea is getting this one.

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Quote from: acquafredda on May 13, 2021, 02:25:10 PM

Eventually 12,000 English supporters could go to Porto to watch the much awaited Champions League final Manchester City - Chelsea (each club will receive 6,000 tickets for their fans).
At this point, I think it would have been better to have the final in England since all the supporters will need to go through all the necessary covid checks while travelling abroad. Isnt't it a bit stupid?

you didn't say a stupid thing, in fact it is very smart and intelligent
but the problem is that the designated stadium will not see that money, and therefore they will oppose it
if they could find a way to divide the money, as smart people ... anything could be done

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Quote from: LTU_btc on May 13, 2021, 05:50:21 PM

Quote from: acquafredda on May 13, 2021, 02:25:10 PM

Eventually 12,000 English supporters could go to Porto to watch the much awaited Champions League final Manchester City - Chelsea (each club will receive 6,000 tickets for their fans).
At this point, I think it would have been better to have the final in England since all the supporters will need to go through all the necessary covid checks while travelling abroad. Isnt't it a bit stupid?

Yeah, it would make more sense to have final in England, but UK government didn't gave quarantine exemption for UEFA staff, broadcasters, sponsors and etc. It's 2000 people approximately. So, UEFA had to look for alternatives and probably Portugal was the best option.

That is even dumber if you ask me. In my head I read that is better to have 2000 quarantined somehow than to have 12,000 supporters moving around and creating potential troubles.
Also, sorry to say, but brits supporters behave quite well at home while they simply do not give a shit when they are overseas.
That was something to be thought through since we have historical reasons to be worried here.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on May 13, 2021, 05:50:21 PM

Yeah, it would make more sense to have final in England, but UK government didn't gave quarantine exemption for UEFA staff, broadcasters, sponsors and etc. It's 2000 people approximately. So, UEFA had to look for alternatives and probably Portugal was the best option.

A delegation from UEFA comes from within the EU, and therefore has no major restrictions. In Portugal, there was never a mandatory quarantine for those who came from outside, so they won't have any problems with that. In turn, Portugal is the only country in Europe that is on the UK's green list, to avoid quarantine for those traveling to Portugal.

In practice, it is easier for English teams to travel to Portugal than for UEFA to travel to the United Kingdom.

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