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Quote from: joker_josue on March 23, 2021, 09:22:25 AM

Who think they will win FC Porto vs Chelsea FC?

Personally, although Chelsea is theoretically stronger, it is an accessible adeversary for Porto to have the possibility of overtaking.

For the first game, it is really hard to make a clear decision as the game is in Estádio do Dragão. We have seen that Porto managed to defeat Juventus home. The playing styles of Chelsea and Juventus are not the same of course but still Chelsea need to be very careful. Chelsea managed to defeat Atletico away and if they play carefully they could do it again this time vs Porto. But there is a feeling inside me that it could end in a draw.

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Quote from: babo on March 26, 2021, 06:01:35 AM

i bet on chelsea.. because
win chelsea probabili 49%
draw 28%
win of porto... 23%

this is the bookmaker rate of victory of chelsea (for me the easy game of quarter of final for bet)
probably is boring game.. i bet and see another game

Chelsea is the favorite in this pair, I think they can beat Porto without any problems. Also in a pair of Manchester City - Borussia, I think Manchester will easily win. An interesting opposition for me will be Bayern Munich and PSG, I would like Bayern Munich to go to the next round. Pochatino is a good coach, but he has not yet created the team that can beat Bayern Munich.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on March 25, 2021, 12:37:55 PM

Porto has the potential to beat a team like Chelsea. They have been able to reach this round by defeating a strong opponent like Juventus. At least I don't think the Chelsea team is better than Juventus.

Porto is the weakest team in this round, no disrespect to Porto but that's the truth, Chelsea is one of the strongest underdogs in the champions league this year, they are still unbeaten, they played Sevilla H/A, Athletico Madrid H/A without conceding a single goal. Juventus is no better than Chelsea this season they have been poor from the start of the season. They had the easiest draw and bottled it.

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Quote from: kassex on March 25, 2021, 02:37:51 PM

Juventus needs to change tactics and focus on young and aggressive players if they want to win the Champions League.

I agree with you on this so much. As long as Juventus have a lineup that consists of old players mostly, their job will continue to be very hard in the CL. Of course having experienced players at your team is a very important thing. But you should know that the younger the lineup the more dynamic the team.

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Quote from: joker_josue on March 23, 2021, 09:22:25 AM

Who think they will win FC Porto vs Chelsea FC?

Personally, although Chelsea is theoretically stronger, it is an accessible adeversary for Porto to have the possibility of overtaking.

i bet on chelsea.. because
win chelsea probabili 49%
draw 28%
win of porto... 23%

this is the bookmaker rate of victory of chelsea (for me the easy game of quarter of final for bet)
probably is boring game.. i bet and see another game

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on March 25, 2021, 07:55:57 PM

Remember that Porto didn't beat Juventus easily, it was a pretty tight match.

You obviously did not expect Porto to easily beat a team like Juventus, it was definitely going to be a hard fought victory which it was, and that's to Porto's credit for coming out on top, I'm not saying that automatically means they are going to beat Chelsea, but it gives them somewhat of a great motivation coming into this game against Chelsea, and to be sincere, they'll prefer this draw with Chelsea than if they had met either City, Bayern, PSG, Madrid or even Liverpool, so in one way or another, it's a fair draw for Porto, even though the odds are in Chelsea's favor.

Quote from: kassex on March 25, 2021, 02:37:51 PM

Juventus looked helpless against Porto and couldn't show anything. Juventus needs to change tactics and focus on young and aggressive players if they want to win the Champions League.

I knew Pirlo's first season in charge would always be a difficult one, he didn't have any coaching experience coming into this job, and it'll definitely take him time, as well as cost Juve some trophies, until he finds his rhythm; Juve are going trophyless this season, I can't remember the last time this happened, they always end the season with the Italian league and most times the coppa Italia, with zero trophies at the end of this season, they definitely have to change quite a lot of things, and I hope pirlo isn't one of them.

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Quote from: Wawa2013 on March 24, 2021, 09:14:16 PM

I agree that Porto is not a team that can be underestimated, because it can beat Juventus, that's an extraordinary achievement in my opinion.
But compared to other teams that qualified for the quarter finals, it must be admitted that Porto is indeed the weakest. So maybe that's why
Chelsea are quite happy in the quarter finals to face Porto. But that doesn't mean Chelsea think Porto is a weak and easy team to deal with.
Because all the teams that made it to the quarter finals are teams that have good quality and are very strong.

Porto have never been a weak team in Champions League after the season they won the cup with Mourinho, Deco, and some great players. They are one of very familiar team in Champions Leauge and usually go through Group stage round. They play very closed matches with Juventus and with this style they will bring troubles to Chelsea.

Chelsea with Tuchel have improved a lot on results and their tactics. They less naively play like the time with Lampard and it seems their defense system has been better. Porto will be a test for them as Porto will take advantage of small personal or systematic faults from Chelsea.

Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on March 25, 2021, 12:37:55 PM

Porto has the potential to beat a team like Chelsea. They have been able to reach this round by defeating a strong opponent like Juventus.

They can but not easy and it can be another close result with home away goals.

Quote from: kawetsriyanto on March 25, 2021, 07:55:57 PM

However, we cannot judge Porto as the favorite team to win in this match because they defeated Juventus. Remember that Porto didn't beat Juventus easily, it was a pretty tight match. Also, the style of play of Chelsea isn't the same as Juventus, so it is potentially surprised the players of Porto. The match is still difficult to predict, mate!

They will not only have to beat Chelsea but many other greater and stronger teams are waiting: Manchester City, PSG and Bayern Munich. It is possible but small probability as to win the Champions League, many conditions need to be met: strong, luck, and excellent moments from players to score decisive goals.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on March 25, 2021, 12:37:55 PM

Porto has the potential to beat a team like Chelsea. They have been able to reach this round by defeating a strong opponent like Juventus.

Of course, Porto isn't a weak team, they already proved it by eliminating Juventus. However, we cannot judge Porto as the favorite team to win in this match because they defeated Juventus. Remember that Porto didn't beat Juventus easily, it was a pretty tight match. Also, the style of play of Chelsea isn't the same as Juventus, so it is potentially surprised the players of Porto. The match is still difficult to predict, mate!

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Quote from: boltz on March 25, 2021, 01:54:24 PM

I'm curious right now of what injuries we will have in this days of World Cup qualifiers as all the remaining UCL participants send the best players they have to national squads and if some of the key players are coming back injured this will weight a lot for the finals teams of UCL.

I know some of the managers are unhappy that this games came just before the next big phase of UCL but at the same time they must understand that a world cup is a dream for every football player.

Indeed, but I think the national team coach should be able to understand the situation of these key players because there are still further matches which means, the current qualifying match is not the final result. So yeah, I guess the key players who play in the current world cup qualifiers don't have to play 90 minutes because after all, the UCL final is also a player's dream, right?

I think the dream of a player is more to become world champion, than a champions league.

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Quote from: boltz on March 25, 2021, 01:54:24 PM

I'm curious right now of what injuries we will have in this days of World Cup qualifiers as all the remaining UCL participants send the best players they have to national squads and if some of the key players are coming back injured this will weight a lot for the finals teams of UCL.

I know some of the managers are unhappy that this games came just before the next big phase of UCL but at the same time they must understand that a world cup is a dream for every football player.

Indeed, but I think the national team coach should be able to understand the situation of these key players because there are still further matches which means, the current qualifying match is not the final result. So yeah, I guess the key players who play in the current world cup qualifiers don't have to play 90 minutes because after all, the UCL final is also a player's dream, right?

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If Chelsea thinks the Porto team is a weak opponent, they will make a big mistake. Porto is not a weak team. Despite the low number of star players, Porto is very stable as a team and every player on the team tries his best to fulfill his responsibilities. If Chelsea does not take Porto seriously, they will be defeated.

I think there is no way Chelsea will be underestimating Porto in this draw. They clearly saw what Porto did to Juventus. And Chelsea don't seem like they have such intention. They moved Atletico out of their way with very clear wins in both games. I am expecting the same effort from them again.

I agree that Porto is not a team that can be underestimated, because it can beat Juventus, that's an extraordinary achievement in my opinion.
But compared to other teams that qualified for the quarter finals, it must be admitted that Porto is indeed the weakest. So maybe that's why
Chelsea are quite happy in the quarter finals to face Porto. But that doesn't mean Chelsea think Porto is a weak and easy team to deal with.
Because all the teams that made it to the quarter finals are teams that have good quality and are very strong.

Same was said about Ajax last season... Be careful how you say they are the weakest of all teams currently in the competition and yes they're not easy too and they've got outstanding qualities hence they're still on.

Porto has the potential to beat a team like Chelsea. They have been able to reach this round by defeating a strong opponent like Juventus. At least I don't think the Chelsea team is better than Juventus. Although the Premier League and Premeira League's style of play and strategy are all somewhat different. So this match will be very competitive. I will not bet on leg 1. I will only enjoy the match.

If Chelsea plays the same way as against Atlético Madrid, then Porto has no chance to beat Chelsea and advance to the next round. Chelsea played quite aggressively against Atlético Madrid. Juventus looked helpless against Porto and couldn't show anything. Juventus needs to change tactics and focus on young and aggressive players if they want to win the Champions League.

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Quote from: NotATether on March 25, 2021, 06:26:03 AM

Kroos and Valverde will also miss the first leg. So will Jordan Henderson but none of this should be particularly damaging, both clubs have reserve players in those positions to choose from.

I hope Naby Kieta stays injury-free though, he and Origi are starting to be played in these CL matches and he's probably going to be difference between us advancing to the semifinals or getting eliminated.

Origi? No way he will play. He's like 6th option currently - Jota is the 1st after the Mane, Salah, Firmino trio and then both Shaqiri and Oxlade-Chamberlain are placed in front of him. A miracle (or something like another 5 injuries) would have to happen for him to start a CL match this season.

We will miss Henderson though, I still hope he'll be available for the 2nd leg so we can play with Fabinho at CB.

Origi definitely no way, not as a starter anyway and certainly not against Real Madrid. If we don't play our full front 3 plus Jota and everyone else even half fit for the away leg, then I don't know what we're doing.

Definitely will miss Hendo but yeah I'm not worried whenever we play the home leg last. I know Anfield isn't quite the fortress it used to be but Europe is a different theatre of war.

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I'm curious right now of what injuries we will have in this days of World Cup qualifiers as all the remaining UCL participants send the best players they have to national squads and if some of the key players are coming back injured this will weight a lot for the finals teams of UCL.

I know some of the managers are unhappy that this games came just before the next big phase of UCL but at the same time they must understand that a world cup is a dream for every football player.

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Quote from: NotATether on March 25, 2021, 06:26:03 AM

Kroos and Valverde will also miss the first leg. So will Jordan Henderson but none of this should be particularly damaging, both clubs have reserve players in those positions to choose from.

I hope Naby Kieta stays injury-free though, he and Origi are starting to be played in these CL matches and he's probably going to be difference between us advancing to the semifinals or getting eliminated.

I think all those players matter a lot. Having an injury will always matter because that usually means even on the best case you will not be able to sub those positions, why? Because you had this main player, he is injured, so your bench player will take place, but the bench will be taken by someone that is not good enough at all.

It means in case of an injury, it is going to get worse, and in case of a fatigue situation you have to keep playing them, basically you are taking out the option of subbing that position out, or doing much worse if you do. That's why I think even single injury matters, even if Jordan Henderson was healthy but on the bench, that would be fine, it would at least give them an option just in case, but this way it is bad. This is not about these specific injuries though, it is about any injury to a starting eleven player.

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Quote from: SammyBiG on March 25, 2021, 02:29:28 AM

Quote from: Wawa2013 on March 24, 2021, 09:14:16 PM

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on March 24, 2021, 12:34:57 AM

If Chelsea thinks the Porto team is a weak opponent, they will make a big mistake. Porto is not a weak team. Despite the low number of star players, Porto is very stable as a team and every player on the team tries his best to fulfill his responsibilities. If Chelsea does not take Porto seriously, they will be defeated.

I think there is no way Chelsea will be underestimating Porto in this draw. They clearly saw what Porto did to Juventus. And Chelsea don't seem like they have such intention. They moved Atletico out of their way with very clear wins in both games. I am expecting the same effort from them again.

I agree that Porto is not a team that can be underestimated, because it can beat Juventus, that's an extraordinary achievement in my opinion.
But compared to other teams that qualified for the quarter finals, it must be admitted that Porto is indeed the weakest. So maybe that's why
Chelsea are quite happy in the quarter finals to face Porto. But that doesn't mean Chelsea think Porto is a weak and easy team to deal with.
Because all the teams that made it to the quarter finals are teams that have good quality and are very strong.

Same was said about Ajax last season... Be careful how you say they are the weakest of all teams currently in the competition and yes they're not easy too and they've got outstanding qualities hence they're still on.

Porto has the potential to beat a team like Chelsea. They have been able to reach this round by defeating a strong opponent like Juventus. At least I don't think the Chelsea team is better than Juventus. Although the Premier League and Premeira League's style of play and strategy are all somewhat different. So this match will be very competitive. I will not bet on leg 1. I will only enjoy the match.

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Quote from: NotATether on March 25, 2021, 06:26:03 AM

Kroos and Valverde will also miss the first leg. So will Jordan Henderson but none of this should be particularly damaging, both clubs have reserve players in those positions to choose from.

I hope Naby Kieta stays injury-free though, he and Origi are starting to be played in these CL matches and he's probably going to be difference between us advancing to the semifinals or getting eliminated.

Origi? No way he will play. He's like 6th option currently - Jota is the 1st after the Mane, Salah, Firmino trio and then both Shaqiri and Oxlade-Chamberlain are placed in front of him. A miracle (or something like another 5 injuries) would have to happen for him to start a CL match this season.

We will miss Henderson though, I still hope he'll be available for the 2nd leg so we can play with Fabinho at CB.

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Kroos and Valverde will also miss the first leg. So will Jordan Henderson but none of this should be particularly damaging, both clubs have reserve players in those positions to choose from.

I hope Naby Kieta stays injury-free though, he and Origi are starting to be played in these CL matches and he's probably going to be difference between us advancing to the semifinals or getting eliminated.

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Quote from: CLS63 on March 23, 2021, 09:16:07 AM

Ramos got injured again a few days ago and the return date is unknown. But still Real Madrid have Benzema who is very important and vital for scoring goals.

Damn! Ramos has a big role. Once he is absent, we know Real seems to lose a bit of its power on the defensive line. I really don't expect Ramos injured again when Real Madrid has many schedules of big matches. Let's hope he will come back very soon. Well, at least we still have Benzema, an irreplaceable striker in the attacking line. For now, I assume Benzema has a more crucial role than Ramos. I cannot imagine if he gets injured as well. Undecided

Real Madrid supporters must have been devastated by Sergio Ramos injury, because Ramos is a very important figure for Madrid. Not because Ramos
has been playing for Real Madrid for a long time, but Ramos performance is still very good and we know Ramos is the best leader for Real Madrid.
It is very visible that the appearance of the Madrid defense line without Ramos will fall apart, losing a leader. Even though Madrid will face Liverpool soon,
this will be tough for Real Madrid to face Liverpool without Ramos. Hopefully Ramos can recover faster, and can play again soon. Because apart from
Liverpool, there is still Barcelona who will face Real Madrid. Another important figure is Benzema, because Madrid's front lines are very dependent
on Benzema. There is no other Madrid striker who can replace Benzema's role until now. Hopefully Benzema won't get injured too.

According to Transfermarkt, he seems like he has recovered from the injury now. Then it is really good news for Real Madrid. Him and Benzema are the most important players for them now I think and having them both against Liverpool will be for the benefit of them. But there are still nearly two weeks to the first leg so they will hope not to see another injury again.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on March 24, 2021, 12:34:57 AM

If Chelsea thinks the Porto team is a weak opponent, they will make a big mistake. Porto is not a weak team. Despite the low number of star players, Porto is very stable as a team and every player on the team tries his best to fulfill his responsibilities. If Chelsea does not take Porto seriously, they will be defeated.

I think there is no way Chelsea will be underestimating Porto in this draw. They clearly saw what Porto did to Juventus. And Chelsea don't seem like they have such intention. They moved Atletico out of their way with very clear wins in both games. I am expecting the same effort from them again.

I agree that Porto is not a team that can be underestimated, because it can beat Juventus, that's an extraordinary achievement in my opinion.
But compared to other teams that qualified for the quarter finals, it must be admitted that Porto is indeed the weakest. So maybe that's why
Chelsea are quite happy in the quarter finals to face Porto. But that doesn't mean Chelsea think Porto is a weak and easy team to deal with.
Because all the teams that made it to the quarter finals are teams that have good quality and are very strong.

Same was said about Ajax last season... Be careful how you say they are the weakest of all teams currently in the competition and yes they're not easy too and they've got outstanding qualities hence they're still on.

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