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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on March 24, 2021, 03:25:56 PM

Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on March 24, 2021, 12:34:57 AM

If Chelsea thinks the Porto team is a weak opponent, they will make a big mistake. Porto is not a weak team. Despite the low number of star players, Porto is very stable as a team and every player on the team tries his best to fulfill his responsibilities. If Chelsea does not take Porto seriously, they will be defeated.

I think there is no way Chelsea will be underestimating Porto in this draw. They clearly saw what Porto did to Juventus. And Chelsea don't seem like they have such intention. They moved Atletico out of their way with very clear wins in both games. I am expecting the same effort from them again.

I agree that Porto is not a team that can be underestimated, because it can beat Juventus, that's an extraordinary achievement in my opinion.
But compared to other teams that qualified for the quarter finals, it must be admitted that Porto is indeed the weakest. So maybe that's why
Chelsea are quite happy in the quarter finals to face Porto. But that doesn't mean Chelsea think Porto is a weak and easy team to deal with.
Because all the teams that made it to the quarter finals are teams that have good quality and are very strong.

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Quote from: Shasha80 on March 23, 2021, 09:34:37 PM

There is no other Madrid striker who can replace Benzema's role until now. Hopefully Benzema won't get injured too.

Yeah, I hope the same. It will be a big problem if Benzema gets injured too, Real Madrid should decrease a big power in the attacking line. FYI, Mariano Diaz is also injured now, so no experienced strikers as the substitutes of Benzema. Zidane must have a strategy to keep Benzema healthy, finds they an effective way to play Benzema with a lower risk to get injured.

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Real Madrid supporters must have been devastated by Sergio Ramos injury

I think Sergio Ramos will come back soon. If you see from this article https://www.transfermarkt.co.id/real-madrid/kader/verein/418, Sergio Ramos isn't included in those players who get injured anymore. I saw no injured mark there.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on March 24, 2021, 12:34:57 AM

If Chelsea thinks the Porto team is a weak opponent, they will make a big mistake. Porto is not a weak team. Despite the low number of star players, Porto is very stable as a team and every player on the team tries his best to fulfill his responsibilities. If Chelsea does not take Porto seriously, they will be defeated.

I think there is no way Chelsea will be underestimating Porto in this draw. They clearly saw what Porto did to Juventus. And Chelsea don't seem like they have such intention. They moved Atletico out of their way with very clear wins in both games. I am expecting the same effort from them again.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on March 24, 2021, 12:34:57 AM

If Chelsea thinks the Porto team is a weak opponent, they will make a big mistake. Porto is not a weak team. Despite the low number of star players, Porto is very stable as a team and every player on the team tries his best to fulfill his responsibilities. If Chelsea does not take Porto seriously, they will be defeated.

Porto isn't a bad team, agreed, but it's a team that every remaining club would be thrilled to get. They are the weakest team remaining in the competition - and Chelsea can consider themselves lucky with the draw.
I'm sure they won't underestimate Porto, after all it's a CL quarterfinal.

Bottom line - the part of the draw where Liverpool and Chelsea are (with Real and Porto) is in my opinion a lot weaker than the one with City, PSG, Dortmund and Bayern.

In quarterfinals any team that you play is a good team, sure I do agree with the fact that if you asked me which team is the weakest in these remaining teams, I would say that Porto is one, but just because he is weakest in the remaining teams doesn't mean that they are a weak team neither, Porto could have faced any team that is left, including the higher up ones like City or Bayern or PSG and they would have a chance to beat them as well, not the biggest chance, but they would have that chance.

People have to realize that even the worst player on the bench of Porto is a better football player then you imagine, a player that never played one game this year in their roster is closer to Cristiano Ronaldo then you are to that player. This is why I think it is quite obvious that we have to just respect and take every single Porto game seriously.

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Quote from: SquirrelJulietGarden on March 23, 2021, 10:36:28 PM

Ramos has been one of greatest central defenders in the world. Even he is in his thirties, it is very hard to find other central defenders that are better than Ramos.

Sadly to know the statistics for Ramos shows he is older and getting more effects from his age. In this season, he has only played 15 matches for Real Madrid, about half of total matches.

I think if Real Madrid decide to renew the contract with Ramos, he will be used more for Champions League in his last seasons in the club. It would be the same as how Paolo Maldini was used in AC Milan in his last 2 or 3 seasons before his retirement. He was reserved specially for Champions League and almost was free for Serie A matches. In three seasons from 2005 to 2008, Maldini played 30% of his matches in Champions League (22 Champions League matches / 73 total matches)

https://www.transfermarkt.com/sergio-ramos/profil/spieler/25557

In order to use Ramos only in the Champions League, he needs to buy a replacement. There were rumors that Alaba will move to Real, but this is still a rumor. In the meantime, there is no replacement, I think Ramos will remain the main defender of Real Madrid in the next couple of years. And Ramos is unlikely to put up with the role of a reserve player.

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Quote from: masulum on March 23, 2021, 09:46:11 AM

Tuchel has indeed made a difference to Chelsea, I also feel Chelsea can be a strong candidate to advance to the next round. However, FC Porto also an opponent that Chelsea cannot underestimate. They have good performances in the local league and currently in the #2 position, Oliveira, Taremi are the two Porto players who entered as the top goalscorers in the premiera league, Portugal. If these two players are played, then Chelsea must be able to prevent them from entering the defense zone as well as possible.

Made a lot of changes for Chelsea so Tuchel can overcome all this and the players will have more confidence in the opponents they will face, even though Porto has the best players and goalscorers in the local league I don't think it will be even more brilliant in UEFA I just want to know how Chelsea in this UEFA have a good change at least to the semi-finals and to the final.
Chelsea are also the same after Tuchel served as coach, many changes have occurred and only a few defeats are experienced with Tuchel. Hopefully this will bring opportunities in either competition as that's a goal to be achieved.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on March 24, 2021, 12:34:57 AM

If Chelsea thinks the Porto team is a weak opponent, they will make a big mistake. Porto is not a weak team. Despite the low number of star players, Porto is very stable as a team and every player on the team tries his best to fulfill his responsibilities. If Chelsea does not take Porto seriously, they will be defeated.

Porto isn't a bad team, agreed, but it's a team that every remaining club would be thrilled to get. They are the weakest team remaining in the competition - and Chelsea can consider themselves lucky with the draw.
I'm sure they won't underestimate Porto, after all it's a CL quarterfinal.

Bottom line - the part of the draw where Liverpool and Chelsea are (with Real and Porto) is in my opinion a lot weaker than the one with City, PSG, Dortmund and Bayern.

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Quote from: joker_josue on March 23, 2021, 09:28:32 PM

Do not forget that you have a high morale after the way they overcame Juventos.

that is the point.

Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on March 24, 2021, 12:34:57 AM

Porto is very stable as a team and every player on the team tries his best to fulfill his responsibilities. If Chelsea do not take Porto seriously, they will be defeated.

Porto have multi talent player such otavio, Sérgio Oliveira and Taremi. but Taremi look can not play in leg 1 cause accumulate red card. the coach must think to pull up Sarr to central midfield to support Sérgio Oliveira.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on March 24, 2021, 12:34:57 AM

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on March 23, 2021, 05:48:14 AM

This is why I think it is quite obvious that there is a chance we could actually end up with a Liverpool win on this matchup, actually a Liverpool win in every matchup because it looks like they could be fighting real hard to win it this year.

Liverpool has no chance of winning the Premier League, they are far away from the trophy. Now their only goal is the Champions League. They will fight hard to reach the final of the Champions League. Although I think if Liverpool will able to beat Real Madrid, but they are not a stable team to reach the final.

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Quote from: kassex on March 23, 2021, 02:38:05 PM

Chelsea can beat Porto, but I'm not sure if they can beat Liverpool or Real Madrid. These teams can play the perfect game in one match and beat any team.

Chelsea should not need to cheer, they are very underestimating the opponent. in fact, Porto's had better achievement than Chelsea ( had 2 trophy champion league and 29 trophy Primeira league), while Chelsea ( 1 trophy champion league and only had 6 trophy Premier league), they forgot the stat and experience, So on Chelsea will lose shamefully if they still proudly on the field.

If Chelsea thinks the Porto team is a weak opponent, they will make a big mistake. Porto is not a weak team. Despite the low number of star players, Porto is very stable as a team and every player on the team tries his best to fulfill his responsibilities. If Chelsea do not take Porto seriously, they will be defeated.

@Swordsoffreedom I would not rely on Liverpool beating Real Madrid easily, because Real Madrid loves winning the champions league hence they won’t make it easy for Liverpool. Also as far as Chelsea is concerned I feel that Tuchel is riding high on overconfidence, and that may prove fatal when they face against Porto.

Sources:

https://footballwhispers.com/blog/real-madrid-love-affair-with-the-european-cup/

https://www.the42.ie/thomas-tuchel-chelsea-atletico-madrid-reaction-champions-league-5384476-Mar2021/

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Quote from: jaberwock on March 23, 2021, 02:34:25 PM

Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on March 23, 2021, 05:48:14 AM

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This is why I think it is quite obvious that there is a chance we could actually end up with a Liverpool win on this matchup, actually a Liverpool win in every matchup because it looks like they could be fighting real hard to win it this year.

Liverpool has no chance of winning the Premier League, they are far away from the trophy. Now their only goal is the Champions League. They will fight hard to reach the final of the Champions League. Although I think if Liverpool will able to beat Real Madrid, but they are not a stable team to reach the final.

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Quote from: kassex on March 23, 2021, 02:38:05 PM

Chelsea can beat Porto, but I'm not sure if they can beat Liverpool or Real Madrid. These teams can play the perfect game in one match and beat any team.

Chelsea should not need to cheer, they are very underestimating the opponent. in fact, Porto's had better achievement than Chelsea ( had 2 trophy champion league and 29 trophy Primeira league), while Chelsea ( 1 trophy champion league and only had 6 trophy Premier league), they forgot the stat and experience, So on Chelsea will lose shamefully if they still proudly on the field.

If Chelsea thinks the Porto team is a weak opponent, they will make a big mistake. Porto is not a weak team. Despite the low number of star players, Porto is very stable as a team and every player on the team tries his best to fulfill his responsibilities. If Chelsea does not take Porto seriously, they will be defeated.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on March 23, 2021, 07:51:15 PM

Damn! Ramos has a big role. Once he is absent, we know Real seems to lose a bit of its power on the defensive line. I really don't expect Ramos injured again when Real Madrid has many schedules of big matches. Let's hope he will come back very soon. Well, at least we still have Benzema, an irreplaceable striker in the attacking line. For now, I assume Benzema has a more crucial role than Ramos. I cannot imagine if he gets injured as well. Undecided

Ramos has been one of greatest central defenders in the world. Even he is in his thirties, it is very hard to find other central defenders that are better than Ramos.

Sadly to know the statistics for Ramos shows he is older and getting more effects from his age. In this season, he has only played 15 matches for Real Madrid, about half of total matches.

I think if Real Madrid decide to renew the contract with Ramos, he will be used more for Champions League in his last seasons in the club. It would be the same as how Paolo Maldini was used in AC Milan in his last 2 or 3 seasons before his retirement. He was reserved specially for Champions League and almost was free for Serie A matches. In three seasons from 2005 to 2008, Maldini played 30% of his matches in Champions League (22 Champions League matches / 73 total matches)

https://www.transfermarkt.com/sergio-ramos/profil/spieler/25557

Quote from: Shasha80 on March 23, 2021, 09:34:37 PM

Real Madrid supporters must have been devastated by Sergio Ramos injury, because Ramos is a very important figure for Madrid. Not because Ramos
has been playing for Real Madrid for a long time, but Ramos performance is still very good and we know Ramos is the best leader for Real Madrid.
It is very visible that the appearance of the Madrid defense line without Ramos will fall apart, losing a leader.

Ramos brings quality for the defense system of Real Madrid from his tackles and his leadership. Raphael Varane plays better with Ramos and can not manage to play as a core central defender without Ramos in the squad.

In Champions League, defense system is very important to end with good results. Liverpool has strong attacking system and Real Madrid will have to be face with pressure from Liverpool.

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Ramos got injured again a few days ago and the return date is unknown. But still Real Madrid have Benzema who is very important and vital for scoring goals.

Damn! Ramos has a big role. Once he is absent, we know Real seems to lose a bit of its power on the defensive line. I really don't expect Ramos injured again when Real Madrid has many schedules of big matches. Let's hope he will come back very soon. Well, at least we still have Benzema, an irreplaceable striker in the attacking line. For now, I assume Benzema has a more crucial role than Ramos. I cannot imagine if he gets injured as well. Undecided

Real Madrid supporters must have been devastated by Sergio Ramos injury, because Ramos is a very important figure for Madrid. Not because Ramos
has been playing for Real Madrid for a long time, but Ramos performance is still very good and we know Ramos is the best leader for Real Madrid.
It is very visible that the appearance of the Madrid defense line without Ramos will fall apart, losing a leader. Even though Madrid will face Liverpool soon,
this will be tough for Real Madrid to face Liverpool without Ramos. Hopefully Ramos can recover faster, and can play again soon. Because apart from
Liverpool, there is still Barcelona who will face Real Madrid. Another important figure is Benzema, because Madrid's front lines are very dependent
on Benzema. There is no other Madrid striker who can replace Benzema's role until now. Hopefully Benzema won't get injured too.

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Quote from: blue Snow on March 23, 2021, 08:00:38 PM

Chelsea should not need to cheer, they are very underestimating the opponent. in fact, Porto's had better achievement than Chelsea ( had 2 trophy champion league and 29 trophy Primeira league), while Chelsea ( 1 trophy champion league and only had 6 trophy Premier league), they forgot the stat and experience, So on Chelsea will lose shamefully if they still proudly on the field.

Do not forget that you have a high morale after the way they overcame Juventos.

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Quote from: kassex on March 23, 2021, 02:38:05 PM

Chelsea can beat Porto, but I'm not sure if they can beat Liverpool or Real Madrid. These teams can play the perfect game in one match and beat any team.

Chelsea should not need to cheer, they are very underestimating the opponent. in fact, Porto's had better achievement than Chelsea ( had 2 trophy champion league and 29 trophy Primeira league), while Chelsea ( 1 trophy champion league and only had 6 trophy Premier league), they forgot the stat and experience, So on Chelsea will lose shamefully if they still proudly on the field.

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Quote from: CLS63 on March 23, 2021, 09:16:07 AM

Ramos got injured again a few days ago and the return date is unknown. But still Real Madrid have Benzema who is very important and vital for scoring goals.

Damn! Ramos has a big role. Once he is absent, we know Real seems to lose a bit of its power on the defensive line. I really don't expect Ramos injured again when Real Madrid has many schedules of big matches. Let's hope he will come back very soon. Well, at least we still have Benzema, an irreplaceable striker in the attacking line. For now, I assume Benzema has a more crucial role than Ramos. I cannot imagine if he gets injured as well. Undecided

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The best semi-final will be Manchester City - Bayern Munich. This match would be worthy of the final. But it will be nice if Bayern - Liverpool, or Bayern - Real Madrid meet in the Champions League final. I think other teams will leave the race during the tournament.

I personally don't see any chance for Madrid and Liverpool to play in the final, because for this part I am very confident about Chelsea. In addition, the Bayern - PSG match is a match worthy of being called a final because until now I still can't predict it, but if I look at the odds at the moment Bayern are the favorites. For Madrid - Liverpool both have the same chance and the match in this quarter-final is an interesting match because it is still unpredictable, it means that the team that is not favored still has a chance to win.

I wouldn't be so sure about Chelsea. Everything can change at any moment. A successful streak may end soon. Chelsea can beat Porto, but I'm not sure if they can beat Liverpool or Real Madrid. These teams can play the perfect game in one match and beat any team.

Actually Chelsea could be one of the surprising teams in the CL this season. Honestly, I wasn't expecting them to come to this level when Tuchel wasn't the manager. But after he has come, something has really changed about the team and they've started playing much better. So, I think Chelsea really have a chance for the final.

Yes, that's what is in my view, Tuchel seemed to bring something good for Chelsea by successfully overhauling the players, especially in the starting eleven. Indeed, I also acknowledge Real Madrid and Liverpool but I still do not believe that these two teams still have strong dominance to advance to the final. Even so, if indeed one of them is going to the final then I would say that Real Madrid has a bigger chance when compared to Liverpool which towards the end of the season their dominance has decreased.

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Chelsea is a very good team and Tuchel is did a very good job with Paris last season he played the final.. With the quality of players in chelsea team also I’m sure he’s will get to the final..

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The best semi-final will be Manchester City - Bayern Munich. This match would be worthy of the final. But it will be nice if Bayern - Liverpool, or Bayern - Real Madrid meet in the Champions League final. I think other teams will leave the race during the tournament.

I personally don't see any chance for Madrid and Liverpool to play in the final, because for this part I am very confident about Chelsea. In addition, the Bayern - PSG match is a match worthy of being called a final because until now I still can't predict it, but if I look at the odds at the moment Bayern are the favorites. For Madrid - Liverpool both have the same chance and the match in this quarter-final is an interesting match because it is still unpredictable, it means that the team that is not favored still has a chance to win.

I wouldn't be so sure about Chelsea. Everything can change at any moment. A successful streak may end soon. Chelsea can beat Porto, but I'm not sure if they can beat Liverpool or Real Madrid. These teams can play the perfect game in one match and beat any team.

Actually Chelsea could be one of the surprising teams in the CL this season. Honestly, I wasn't expecting them to come to this level when Tuchel wasn't the manager. But after he has come, something has really changed about the team and they've started playing much better. So, I think Chelsea really have a chance for the final.

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Quote from: hahay on March 22, 2021, 04:48:39 PM

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The best semi-final will be Manchester City - Bayern Munich. This match would be worthy of the final. But it will be nice if Bayern - Liverpool, or Bayern - Real Madrid meet in the Champions League final. I think other teams will leave the race during the tournament.

I personally don't see any chance for Madrid and Liverpool to play in the final, because for this part I am very confident about Chelsea. In addition, the Bayern - PSG match is a match worthy of being called a final because until now I still can't predict it, but if I look at the odds at the moment Bayern are the favorites. For Madrid - Liverpool both have the same chance and the match in this quarter-final is an interesting match because it is still unpredictable, it means that the team that is not favored still has a chance to win.

I wouldn't be so sure about Chelsea. Everything can change at any moment. A successful streak may end soon. Chelsea can beat Porto, but I'm not sure if they can beat Liverpool or Real Madrid. These teams can play the perfect game in one match and beat any team.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on March 23, 2021, 05:48:14 AM

I think Real Madrid has come this far in the Champions League because their defense is much stronger than their opponents. If you look at the Champions League matches, you can see that the opponents of Real Madrid have not been able to score too many goals against Real Madrid. If Liverpool can find the weak point of Madrid's defense then they can easily win the match. Liverpool's forward lineup is more stable than Real Madrid's forward lineup.

I think it is obvious that everyone would be wagering on Real Madrid for this matchup, especially when it is in Madrid because Liverpool has been bad this year, look at them at their league and you will see how terrible they have been. However I also believe that Liverpool could play a lot harder on Champions league because the winner goes there automatically and that seems like a more possible way for them to go to champions league next year, premier league is doing great without Liverpool so it could be very difficult for them to win all the remaining games and hope for other teams to lose a lot of points during that same period.

This is why I think it is quite obvious that there is a chance we could actually end up with a Liverpool win on this matchup, actually a Liverpool win in every matchup because it looks like they could be fighting real hard to win it this year.

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