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Quote from: masulum on July 24, 2020, 08:08:10 AM

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first half of the season
1. Win vs Roma
2. Draw vs Lazio
3. Draw vs Napoli
4. Lose vs Juventus
5. Win vs Milan
6. Draw vs. Inter

the second half of the season
1. Win vs Roma
2. Win vs Lazio
3. Win vs Napoli
4. Draw vs Juventus

This result is enough to be a motivation for Atalanta to face PSG. 1 defeat against the Italian giants, PSG players should not underestimate Atalanta.

I love Atalanta, i think can win for some little reasons:
- now he has very high morale, after second half of season
- unfortunately the chances of winning the italian championship are few

i think they focus in this game, PSG lose al 80%

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Quote from: Lordhermes on July 23, 2020, 09:53:53 AM

Yes that's true on the case of dominance, champion league playing deserves steady training, PSG would face a hot blood team Atalanta as they in a continuous play. This would greatly have effect on PSG performance including Bayern Munich too.

We should not underestimate Atalanta.
They are the 2nd team in Serie A behind Juventus and they have clearly earned it this season.
I think that they are going to give diff.ult times when they are going to face their opponent in CL.

It is true that Atalanta cannot be underestimated because I see that in Serie A this game is very interesting and also strong and can even beat the other big teams in series, so I think this is a big threat for PSG to face Atalanta when performance improves.

But remember the competition in CL is very tight so both teams will try hard to win and keep attacking to advance to the next.

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Yep, the break benefited teams like Atalanta a lot more. Thin squad, who played game in game out, and without breaks, so they recuperated and came out strong, but they'll fade again like United currently is, so they better go win some good games in the next few weeks.

I'm not excusing them at all, of course. Happy they've given us good games and man what a late blooming striker they got! My deal was with Lazio though, but even if they don't win I'm happy they're finally back with the big boys (Lucas Leiva my heart with him too!).

Anyway, I couldn't find any good odds on a crypto bookie (not like the one coinlocket posted on 15th): https://fairlay.com/market/champions-league-winner-2020-all-in-5/?referral=2130e697-c138-436a-a753-de8ca2436301

Anyone got better ones?

Manchester City @ 4.45
Bayern Munich @ 4.0
PSG 6.0
Barcelona @ 9.0
Atletico Madrid @ 8.5
Atalanta @ 11.0
RB Leipzig @ 15.5
Juventus @ 16.0
Real Madrid @ 21/1
Napoli @ 51
Lyon @ 76
Chelsea @ 151

Barca at 9/1 look good?

But Real to advance at 3/1 look ok to me. City is City and Ramos is Ramos.

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Quote from: hd49728 on July 24, 2020, 06:32:49 AM

Atalanta has due dilligent changes to beat PSG.

I agree, even many people doubted Atalanta because they had just played in the Champions League, this was normal. However, if PSG players underestimate them this will become a big problem for them. PSG can't just see Atalanta's as new name in the champions league. It's no coincidence that the draw with Juventus and become in 2nd place right now. Just look at their record in important matches this season.

first half of the season
1. Win vs Roma
2. Draw vs Lazio
3. Draw vs Napoli
4. Lose vs Juventus
5. Win vs Milan
6. Draw vs. Inter

the second half of the season
1. Win vs Roma
2. Win vs Lazio
3. Win vs Napoli
4. Draw vs Juventus

This result is enough to be a motivation for Atalanta to face PSG. 1 defeat against the Italian giants, PSG players should not underestimate Atalanta.

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Quote from: EdenHazard on July 24, 2020, 06:01:03 AM

Crazy season for Atlanta who found themselves play aggressively in most of the whole season matches ..

Some of praiseworthy stats that atlanta created so far :

Atalanta scored 2.71 goals in average.
Conceded 1.26 goals per match.
69% of Atalanta's matches ended with both teams scoring. Average total goals per match for Atlanta is 3.97.
95 goals scored , breaking the all time high goals scored in a single season in serie A.

In Italy and Serie A, Atalanta is a biggest surprise in last two seasons. No one expected they beat AS Roma last season for the 4 position and a spot in Champions League. This season, they even do better than the last one. They are Tottenham in Italy. Tottenham had an amazing season in Champions League last year, why not the same one for Atalanta this time?

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More to come by become a champions league finalist?
We'll see when they beat PSG unexpectedly.

PSG is good in their player quality but the problem, the biggest one, for them is their very weak mentality. With weak mentality, they lost important games and sometimes important moments in Champions League. Atalanta has due dilligent changes to beat PSG.

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Quote from: Trofo on July 24, 2020, 05:36:28 AM

Agree with most of the points made above. I would just add another point. Atalanta maybe isn't the best at adapting to other teams play style, but other teams are also not used for their opponent to attack them with whole squad. I think especially PSG could have a problem with that since large majority of their games they have to play against teams defending with their whole squads. This could be a very different and tough game for them. On the other hand I think Atletico Madrid would made an easy job of eating Atalanta. They will be perfectly happy to defend whole game, kill the tempo as much as possible and then score a goal or two on counters.

Crazy season for Atlanta who found themselves play aggressively in most of the whole season matches ..

Some of praiseworthy stats that atlanta created so far :

Atalanta scored 2.71 goals in average.
Conceded 1.26 goals per match.
69% of Atalanta's matches ended with both teams scoring. Average total goals per match for Atlanta is 3.97.
95 goals scored , breaking the all time high goals scored in a single season in serie A.
More to come by become a champions league finalist?
We'll see when they beat PSG unexpectedly.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on July 24, 2020, 03:40:16 AM

I really like Atalanta and their style of play. However, I think that they lack a bit of balance in big games.

They outscored most of the teams in Europe this season, they are 20+ goals better than any other team in Serie A. But when you play against top teams in top competitions, you need to adapt and to be able to change playstyles.

They really have a good draw, if they manage to beat PSG they will play against Atletico or Leipzig. It is doable and I will cheer for them to reach the final, however I would not give them much chance there. Against a top team like City or Bayern I don't think they would be able to control the game and dominate with their playstyle and they would have big problems with adapting to City's or Bayern's.

Hope they prove me wrong, their story smells a bit like Liverpool's in 2005. Inferior team barely getting out of the group stage, 2 steps away from the finals. Go Atalanta! Grin

Agree with most of the points made above. I would just add another point. Atalanta maybe isn't the best at adapting to other teams play style, but other teams are also not used for their opponent to attack them with whole squad. I think especially PSG could have a problem with that since large majority of their games they have to play against teams defending with their whole squads. This could be a very different and tough game for them. On the other hand I think Atletico Madrid would made an easy job of eating Atalanta. They will be perfectly happy to defend whole game, kill the tempo as much as possible and then score a goal or two on counters.

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I really like Atalanta and their style of play. However, I think that they lack a bit of balance in big games.

They outscored most of the teams in Europe this season, they are 20+ goals better than any other team in Serie A. But when you play against top teams in top competitions, you need to adapt and to be able to change playstyles.

They really have a good draw, if they manage to beat PSG they will play against Atletico or Leipzig. It is doable and I will cheer for them to reach the final, however I would not give them much chance there. Against a top team like City or Bayern I don't think they would be able to control the game and dominate with their playstyle and they would have big problems with adapting to City's or Bayern's.

Hope they prove me wrong, their story smells a bit like Liverpool's in 2005. Inferior team barely getting out of the group stage, 2 steps away from the finals. Go Atalanta! Grin

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Quote from: Naida_BR on July 23, 2020, 02:16:25 PM

Quote from: Lordhermes on July 23, 2020, 09:53:53 AM

Yes that's true on the case of dominance, champion league playing deserves steady training, PSG would face a hot blood team Atalanta as they in a continuous play. This would greatly have effect on PSG performance including Bayern Munich too.

We should not underestimate Atalanta.
They are the 2nd team in Serie A behind Juventus and they have clearly earned it this season.
I think that they are going to give diff.ult times when they are going to face their opponent in CL.

I agree with you because I also forese Atalanta to do something thrill in the Champions due to the club performance ever since they have been promoted from Serie B to A and they seem to be a threat for every enormous football club and I hope they wont sell their goalkeeper and their striker (Duvan Zapata).

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Quote from: Lordhermes on July 23, 2020, 09:53:53 AM

Yes that's true on the case of dominance, champion league playing deserves steady training, PSG would face a hot blood team Atalanta as they in a continuous play. This would greatly have effect on PSG performance including Bayern Munich too.

We should not underestimate Atalanta.
They are the 2nd team in Serie A behind Juventus and they have clearly earned it this season.
I think that they are going to give diff.ult times when they are going to face their opponent in CL.

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Yes that's true on the case of dominance, champion league playing deserves steady training, PSG would face a hot blood team Atalanta as they in a continuous play. This would greatly have effect on PSG performance including Bayern Munich too.

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Not really related to the Champions League but interesting for the remaining Europa League matches: There is a positive Covid-19 case at the Swiss club FC Basel (https://www.en24.news/2020/07/covid-19-a-positive-case-at-fc-basel.html). They already won the first match against Eintracht Frankfurt 3-0 but what happens if more cases appear and their team has to go into quarantine? There has been a similar case at the FC Zürich. They were forced to send their U21 team into competition and lost their next match 4-0 in the league. If Basel has to face the same scenario that could destroy their perfect position from the first match.

I guess this is where isolation becomes very useful. Given the tight timeline, I think the leagues have get done at all costs by the end of next month so i don't think all team players would get infected at any given time frame. If all comes to the worst, while others get infected some will have recovered.

We had such a case in the second german bundesliga. Dresden were the one and only team who have had a Corona Case just before the new start. They couldn’t play and train, had to go into quarantine, 3 games were relocated and at the end they had to play 7 games within 19 days. The bitter end was they have relegate.

But now main problem that there is simply no time left to reschedule games. So, I'm not really sure how to solve this problem. I remember recent case in Russia when there was few cases in one team and players and staff had to go into quarantine. So, they had to send their reserve team to the game and they got smashed 10:1... So, maybe such scenarios is possible in this case too..

I agree there is no time if have to reschedule games, the best alternative is to have to use a reserve team to play. So the match remains
on schedule, but the risk of the reserve team losing is indeed likely to occur.

I don't have a solution for that either. We must all simply wait and see what kind of actions the UEFA will take in such a case. I think they have already discussed it internally.

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Quote from: Darkoth89 on July 22, 2020, 02:31:03 PM

Not really related to the Champions League but interesting for the remaining Europa League matches: There is a positive Covid-19 case at the Swiss club FC Basel (https://www.en24.news/2020/07/covid-19-a-positive-case-at-fc-basel.html). They already won the first match against Eintracht Frankfurt 3-0 but what happens if more cases appear and their team has to go into quarantine? There has been a similar case at the FC Zürich. They were forced to send their U21 team into competition and lost their next match 4-0 in the league. If Basel has to face the same scenario that could destroy their perfect position from the first match.

I guess this is where isolation becomes very useful. Given the tight timeline, I think the leagues have get done at all costs by the end of next month so i don't think all team players would get infected at any given time frame. If all comes to the worst, while others get infected some will have recovered.

We had such a case in the second german bundesliga. Dresden were the one and only team who have had a Corona Case just before the new start. They couldn’t play and train, had to go into quarantine, 3 games were relocated and at the end they had to play 7 games within 19 days. The bitter end was they have relegate.

But now main problem that there is simply no time left to reschedule games. So, I'm not really sure how to solve this problem. I remember recent case in Russia when there was few cases in one team and players and staff had to go into quarantine. So, they had to send their reserve team to the game and they got smashed 10:1... So, maybe such scenarios is possible in this case too..

I agree there is no time if have to reschedule games, the best alternative is to have to use a reserve team to play. So the match remains
on schedule, but the risk of the reserve team losing is indeed likely to occur. This is a risk that must occur if a team is infected with the corona
virus, so we hope that the vaccine can soon found. So we can return to normal life again.

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Not really related to the Champions League but interesting for the remaining Europa League matches: There is a positive Covid-19 case at the Swiss club FC Basel (https://www.en24.news/2020/07/covid-19-a-positive-case-at-fc-basel.html). They already won the first match against Eintracht Frankfurt 3-0 but what happens if more cases appear and their team has to go into quarantine? There has been a similar case at the FC Zürich. They were forced to send their U21 team into competition and lost their next match 4-0 in the league. If Basel has to face the same scenario that could destroy their perfect position from the first match.

I guess this is where isolation becomes very useful. Given the tight timeline, I think the leagues have get done at all costs by the end of next month so i don't think all team players would get infected at any given time frame. If all comes to the worst, while others get infected some will have recovered.

We had such a case in the second german bundesliga. Dresden were the one and only team who have had a Corona Case just before the new start. They couldn’t play and train, had to go into quarantine, 3 games were relocated and at the end they had to play 7 games within 19 days. The bitter end was they have relegate.

But now main problem that there is simply no time left to reschedule games. So, I'm not really sure how to solve this problem. I remember recent case in Russia when there was few cases in one team and players and staff had to go into quarantine. So, they had to send their reserve team to the game and they got smashed 10:1... So, maybe such scenarios is possible in this case too..

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Quote from: Darkoth89 on July 22, 2020, 02:31:03 PM

Not really related to the Champions League but interesting for the remaining Europa League matches: There is a positive Covid-19 case at the Swiss club FC Basel (https://www.en24.news/2020/07/covid-19-a-positive-case-at-fc-basel.html). They already won the first match against Eintracht Frankfurt 3-0 but what happens if more cases appear and their team has to go into quarantine? There has been a similar case at the FC Zürich. They were forced to send their U21 team into competition and lost their next match 4-0 in the league. If Basel has to face the same scenario that could destroy their perfect position from the first match.

I guess this is where isolation becomes very useful. Given the tight timeline, I think the leagues have get done at all costs by the end of next month so i don't think all team players would get infected at any given time frame. If all comes to the worst, while others get infected some will have recovered.

We had such a case in the second german bundesliga. Dresden were the one and only team who have had a Corona Case just before the new start. They couldn’t play and train, had to go into quarantine, 3 games were relocated and at the end they had to play 7 games within 19 days. The bitter end was they have relegate.

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Quote from: Darkoth89 on July 22, 2020, 02:31:03 PM

Not really related to the Champions League but interesting for the remaining Europa League matches: There is a positive Covid-19 case at the Swiss club FC Basel (https://www.en24.news/2020/07/covid-19-a-positive-case-at-fc-basel.html). They already won the first match against Eintracht Frankfurt 3-0 but what happens if more cases appear and their team has to go into quarantine? There has been a similar case at the FC Zürich. They were forced to send their U21 team into competition and lost their next match 4-0 in the league. If Basel has to face the same scenario that could destroy their perfect position from the first match.

I guess this is where isolation becomes very useful. Given the tight timeline, I think the leagues have get done at all costs by the end of next month so i don't think all team players would get infected at any given time frame. If all comes to the worst, while others get infected some will have recovered.

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Not really related to the Champions League but interesting for the remaining Europa League matches: There is a positive Covid-19 case at the Swiss club FC Basel (https://www.en24.news/2020/07/covid-19-a-positive-case-at-fc-basel.html). They already won the first match against Eintracht Frankfurt 3-0 but what happens if more cases appear and their team has to go into quarantine? There has been a similar case at the FC Zürich. They were forced to send their U21 team into competition and lost their next match 4-0 in the league. If Basel has to face the same scenario that could destroy their perfect position from the first match.

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Quote from: bct_ail on July 22, 2020, 10:10:20 AM

UEFA President Aleksander Čeferin does not seem to expect that fans will be able to watch a match in the stadium in the near future.

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As a football fan, what do you think you'll feel when you next watch a UEFA match in a stadium?
I’m sure that it will be a great feeling… like everyone, I would feel even better if the fans were there. But I'm an optimistic person, and my great hope is that spectators will be able to return to our matches as soon as possible.

https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/about-uefa/news/025f-0ff05058910a-7004c0b76a43-1000--uefa-president-on-covid-19-crisis/

It look like the pandemic is still a big consideration for them to give permission to the fan watching directly at the stadium. It is good if they have good intention as a form of broader pandemic prevention. In the near future I am even very sure they will not let fan watch at the stadium and UEFA Champion organizer still seem to need time to think and determine the right time.

So far I think watching the game on television or streaming isnt too problematic for me, even though many people out there want to be able to watch it live in the stadium. However, we must accept the fact that obeying the rules as a form of organizers care for fan is the main thing. Prohibiting does not mean forever prohibited and this is only because of circumstance that do not allow.

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UEFA President Aleksander Čeferin does not seem to expect that fans will be able to watch a match in the stadium in the near future.

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As a football fan, what do you think you'll feel when you next watch a UEFA match in a stadium?
I’m sure that it will be a great feeling… like everyone, I would feel even better if the fans were there. But I'm an optimistic person, and my great hope is that spectators will be able to return to our matches as soon as possible.

https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/about-uefa/news/025f-0ff05058910a-7004c0b76a43-1000--uefa-president-on-covid-19-crisis/

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 15, 2020, 10:22:45 AM

I also think Atalanta have a chance to win the CL, maybe a small bet on them will be worthy.

The odds are not so good anyway, they are not stupid.

   Manchester City @ 3/1
   Bayern Munich @ 10/3
   PSG @ 5/1
   Barcelona @ 8/1
   Atletico Madrid @ 9/1
   Atalanta @ 10/1
   RB Leipzig @ 14/1
   Juventus @ 16/1
   Real Madrid @ 30/1
   Napoli @ 75/1
   Lyon @ 100/1
   Chelsea @ 250/1

According to here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/betting/football/champions-league-winner-betting-tips/

Real Madrid has better odds LOL

Something bust be wrong here.

Well they are losing 2-1 at bernabeu which means they conceded 2 goals and they have to score at least 2 to secure the situation.

But yeah with la liga title has been in their hand real madrid will have a full focus on Champions League, there's no better chance to get a very good price on a strong team like real madrid .. now or never to put your money on them.

If real madrid win they will face juventus or lyon ,
After that between barcelona, bayern munich, napoli or chelsea which yeah the odds are worthy.
The risk is there.

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