UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread - page 995.

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 10, 2020, 07:00:28 AM

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 09, 2020, 08:41:12 AM

^ Errr... Man United is still the biggest club in England.

And yup, City will be fine without CL football for a couple of years. I guess they should take that time to focus on the academy and prepare the club without Pep.

Well, that depends on what you call as big.

Is it the richest?
Is it the most wanted club for players?
Is it the one with most wins in the Premier or Cl?

In England? United is def the richest. And I can honestly tell you that I'm saying it blind without searching for it online. But feel free to look. I could be wrong.

And as far as trophies won combined with finances as a company? Def the biggest. Won't speak for most wanted players as I don't think it's really a good metric to use.

@tokeweed as a Manchester United supporter I’ll definitely support your statement because Manchester United is a global club, and on the other hand Man City has only grown in the last few years.

If you’ll bother to see then Manchester United is bigger not because of it’s money power, or the trophy’s that they have won, it’s bigger because of it’s history and Manchester City can never achieve it, hence I’ll always consider them as a small club in comparison to Manchester United.

Sources:

https://www.goal.com/en-in/news/solskjaer-manchester-united-are-still-a-bigger-club-than-man/1de8vbmqvib2l1glhlrac6a410

https://www.open.edu/openlearn/premier-league-clubs/the-globalisation-manchester-united-football-club-0

https://ir.manutd.com/company-information/history.aspx

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Quote from: LTU_btc on June 10, 2020, 05:18:01 PM

Quote from: tomahawk9 on June 10, 2020, 07:27:45 AM

But i'm more intested to know what you guys think about the one-match format, it practically means that each game will be a Final.

I'm Barca fan and despite our painful experience in recent years, I don't like such one-match format. It gives some advantage to weaker teams and luck factor is bigger. I may be wrong, but I'm not sure that "weight" and value of 2020 Champions league trophy will be same as all other previous trophies. Even after 10 years we will probably remember that it was pandemic season where games were held in neutral grounds behind closed doors, what makes big difference.

Think about it like a world cup game. Teams have to concentrate and score because there is no second chance!
Of course two matches are the best choice especially for bigger teams but given the actual circumstances it is wiser to have 1 match and complete the CL rather than 2 and cut it again due to an infection spike or whatever reason..

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on June 10, 2020, 07:27:45 AM

But i'm more intested to know what you guys think about the one-match format, it practically means that each game will be a Final.

I'm Barca fan and despite our painful experience in recent years, I don't like such one-match format. It gives some advantage to weaker teams and luck factor is bigger. I may be wrong, but I'm not sure that "weight" and value of 2020 Champions league trophy will be same as all other previous trophies. Even after 10 years we will probably remember that it was pandemic season where games were held in neutral grounds behind closed doors, what makes big difference.

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on June 10, 2020, 06:44:30 AM

So these are the latest news about the CL and how it will proceed once the RO16 games are over (nothing official yet so take this with a grain of salt):

- Quarter-finals and semis will follow a one-match format. No two legs. ~~(Barca fans are happy lol)~~
- Games will be played in Portugal in two stadiums: José Alvalade (home of Sporting) and Estádio da Luz (home of Benfica).
- Final will be held in the Estádio da Luz on August 23.
- No word about Europa League

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Thoughts?

Quote from: tokeweed on June 08, 2020, 10:22:00 AM

I think the ban could be dropped due to some technicality. Grin

And by "some technicality" you mean bags and more bags filled with €€$$, right? =P

It's already old news 😀
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54552996
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54576907

It looks like the EL final wil be played in Frankfurt but not confirmed yet.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on June 10, 2020, 06:47:29 AM

Quote from: tomahawk9 on June 10, 2020, 06:44:30 AM

Thoughts?

Yesterday I had read somewhere here in Italy that Madrid is asking about to be the city of the final for this Champions League.

I read that the final 8 is going to happen in Portugal.
What I understand is that they are trying to find a place that COVID-19 didn't hit with a lot of infections.
If this is the criteria, Italy and Spain is not the right choice.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on June 10, 2020, 07:30:44 AM

Yep, I hope City & anybody else who tries to take a shortcut to join the elite clubs get punished. It shouldn’t be possible for a small club like City to get bought & go from being a pathetic club to winning trophies regularly because they’re being used by State funded play money.

Clubs like Real Madrid, Barca, Juve, Liverpool, Bayern, Man Utd, both Milan teams etc have done things the right way over decades & decades. Why should a club come from nowhere & break every rule to join them?

I am not here to defend ManCity at all but what you consider doing things 'the right way' can pretty much be summed up by 'taking on debts'. Some of the clubs you mentioned have debts of hundreds of millions euros.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on June 10, 2020, 01:00:14 AM

All this clubs, Manchester City, Chelsea, Paris SG etc. became strong and "big " almost overnight because of the same reason.
Some reach man with suspicious history wanted public recognition and decide that professional football club is the best way to achieve it.
Of course nobody can buy history but they wants instant success and don't care about fair play or fair competition.
I hope we will see justice in the case with Manchester City and this will be good warning for others who also trying to cheat with finance.

Yep, I hope City & anybody else who tries to take a shortcut to join the elite clubs get punished. It shouldn’t be possible for a small club like City to get bought & go from being a pathetic club to winning trophies regularly because they’re being used by State funded play money.

Clubs like Real Madrid, Barca, Juve, Liverpool, Bayern, Man Utd, both Milan teams etc have done things the right way over decades & decades. Why should a club come from nowhere & break every rule to join them?

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on June 10, 2020, 06:47:29 AM

Quote from: tomahawk9 on June 10, 2020, 06:44:30 AM

Thoughts?

Yesterday I had read somewhere here in Italy that Madrid is asking about to be the city of the final for this Champions League.

Yep, the article that i posted says that right now Lisbon is the main favorite, but the Madrid option is still on the table. Today, the major of Madrid confirmed that there are indeed ppl talking to UEFA so that they take the games to Spain.

But, to be honest, I'd rather they go to Portugal, they govt there took care of the pandemic way better than in Spain. Plus, the last CL final was in Madrid, I mean, come on now, two finals in a row? That would be the 3rd CL final in Spain in the last 10 years, Portugal only held 2 finals in the history of the competition Cheesy

Also, Real Madrid won La Decima in the Estádio da Luz, so it's kinda like our lucky charm, you know? =P

But i'm more intested to know what you guys think about the one-match format, it practically means that each game will be a Final.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on June 10, 2020, 06:47:29 AM

Yesterday I had read somewhere here in Italy that Madrid is asking about to be the city of the final for this Champions League.

According to as.com, Lisbon has overtaken other cities to host the finals, including Madrid and Moscow, although the contracts are yet to be signed so nothing is official as of now.
Apparently, Madrid was dropped due to current renovations to the Bernebau and the Metropolitan not meeting the requirements of UEFA.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on June 09, 2020, 03:32:11 PM

Quote from: tokeweed on June 09, 2020, 08:41:12 AM

^ Errr... Man United is still the biggest club in England.

And yup, City will be fine without CL football for a couple of years. I guess they should take that time to focus on the academy and prepare the club without Pep.

Well, that depends on what you call as big.

Is it the richest?
Is it the most wanted club for players?
Is it the one with most wins in the Premier or Cl?

In England? United is def the richest. And I can honestly tell you that I'm saying it blind without searching for it online. But feel free to look. I could be wrong.

And as far as trophies won combined with finances as a company? Def the biggest. Won't speak for most wanted players as I don't think it's really a good metric to use.

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on June 10, 2020, 06:44:30 AM

Thoughts?

Yesterday I had read somewhere here in Italy that Madrid is asking about to be the city of the final for this Champions League.

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So these are the latest news about the CL and how it will proceed once the RO16 games are over (nothing official yet so take this with a grain of salt):

- Quarter-finals and semis will follow a one-match format. No two legs. ~~(Barca fans are happy lol)~~
- Games will be played in Portugal in two stadiums: José Alvalade (home of Sporting) and Estádio da Luz (home of Benfica).
- Final will be held in the Estádio da Luz on August 23.
- No word about Europa League

Source

Thoughts?

Quote from: tokeweed on June 08, 2020, 10:22:00 AM

I think the ban could be dropped due to some technicality. Grin

And by "some technicality" you mean bags and more bags filled with €€$$, right? =P

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Quote from: FanEagle on June 09, 2020, 03:32:37 PM

I do not really buy into all of this City becoming the biggest over night thing, United was big for around 3 decades, when did City moved beyond them and became the biggest right away, sure they are either the best team or second best team NOW but being a "big club" is not just past 5 years, it is not past 10 years neither, you have to look at the whole history of the teams (okay maybe after 1970's) and I feel like there are many other bigger clubs than City.

The thing about City that they spent so much money on their team to actually become good that they eventually had to break financial fair play rules to keep it up, otherwise they couldn't be this good, which is cheating and if you became good by cheating that really doesn't even count in my mind, everybody could be good by cheating.

I also am not a big fan of the clubs who become really good only recently because multi billionaires have bought them and have spent a lot of money for the club.These clubs like Chelsea which is almost history now regarding to being a strong club will not stay competitive at this level for long.I like teams like Real Madrid and Barcelona which are strong from decades and still going strong.

The teams made strong lately are only good as they add some competition to the Champions League.

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Quote from: FanEagle on June 09, 2020, 03:32:37 PM

I do not really buy into all of this City becoming the biggest over night thing, United was big for around 3 decades, when did City moved beyond them and became the biggest right away, sure they are either the best team or second best team NOW but being a "big club" is not just past 5 years, it is not past 10 years neither, you have to look at the whole history of the teams (okay maybe after 1970's) and I feel like there are many other bigger clubs than City.

The thing about City that they spent so much money on their team to actually become good that they eventually had to break financial fair play rules to keep it up, otherwise they couldn't be this good, which is cheating and if you became good by cheating that really doesn't even count in my mind, everybody could be good by cheating.

All this clubs, Manchester City, Chelsea, Paris SG etc. became strong and "big " almost overnight because of the same reason.
Some reach man with suspicious history wanted public recognition and decide that professional football club is the best way to achieve it.
Of course nobody can buy history but they wants instant success and don't care about fair play or fair competition.
I hope we will see justice in the case with Manchester City and this will be good warning for others who also trying to cheat with finance.

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I do not really buy into all of this City becoming the biggest over night thing, United was big for around 3 decades, when did City moved beyond them and became the biggest right away, sure they are either the best team or second best team NOW but being a "big club" is not just past 5 years, it is not past 10 years neither, you have to look at the whole history of the teams (okay maybe after 1970's) and I feel like there are many other bigger clubs than City.

The thing about City that they spent so much money on their team to actually become good that they eventually had to break financial fair play rules to keep it up, otherwise they couldn't be this good, which is cheating and if you became good by cheating that really doesn't even count in my mind, everybody could be good by cheating.

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 09, 2020, 08:41:12 AM

^ Errr... Man United is still the biggest club in England.

And yup, City will be fine without CL football for a couple of years. I guess they should take that time to focus on the academy and prepare the club without Pep.

Well, that depends on what you call as big.

Is it the richest?
Is it the most wanted club for players?
Is it the one with most wins in the Premier or Cl?

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I really hope Pep would just leave, I get that he has a contract and he says he is a man of his honor bla bla bla but this is business, being the manager of a team that will not go to champions league due to cheating the system is not really honorable neither, you can get out and manage another team and give the cheating as the excuse and nobody will say anything to you.

There are many teams that would love to have Pep and you could probably find a championship contender level of team for him as well, that way he will still be in talks of being one of the best managers in the world instead of being the manager of the team that can't go to champions league and has to just stay at premier league trying to win championships.

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on June 08, 2020, 09:31:11 AM

Next Champions League without the citizens is gonna be weird.

it would be weird without teams from Manchester, if United gets their place, it will be same as few years ago, so would not call it weird

there is a lot of money entering Premier league, but this CL competitions proved that money is necessary but is not enough to be part of the elite, all Premier league clubs are left behind in this stage, comparing to previous season, it is totally unexpected, hope that Bayern will won the title this season, and Atalanta to do well, one more round will be great

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^ Errr... Man United is still the biggest club in England.

And yup, City will be fine without CL football for a couple of years. I guess they should take that time to focus on the academy and prepare the club without Pep.

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on June 08, 2020, 09:31:11 AM

Next Champions League without the citizens is gonna be weird.

The UCL is a big competition with all the best clubs from the too leagues, I think being a City staff or fan without the club being in the competition would be weird and could lead to a lot of exits. Guardiola has played in every UCL competition since he began coaching and even though he has expressed his desire to honour his contract till 2021, he may not be staying long after then.
If the ban is upheld it would take the club a couple of years to recover.

With sanctions given to Mancity will certainly make fans feel weird because Mancity is the biggest club in the English league that has many supporters and has won several titles, so Pep Guardiola will probably survive even though this sanction has been given later so I think Mancity will recover enough even if next season does not enter UCL

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