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Quote from: Frankolala on October 06, 2024, 09:12:09 AM

I never expected Ten Hag to put the club in a worst state with the years that he has spent the the players. It seems that the longer he stays, the more the team performance depreciates and something needs to be done fast. Otherwise, I will not classify Manchester united as a bog club anymore, but a rich club.

Manchester united might not qualify from the group stage because they have not shown any quality performance in their first two matches, rather they show much weakness to their opponents. I will love to see which trophy Ten Hag sill win this season for him to retain his job.

Actually, in this competition we cannot judge a team too quickly. I am not a Man United fan and also just think positively that sometimes a team that looks bad can get very maximum results gradually. We see like Sevilla which is known as a team with bad performances in La Liga but has always been able to win the European league title. And another example is Atalanta who has never been a favorite in this competition but was able to beat Leverkusen last season.
This could happen to Man United who we are currently judging badly with the results in the EPL but we do not see the draw as the best result.

On the one hand, if we blame Ten Hag, we should probably also blame the team management who are the ones who are most responsible for Man United's future. If Ten Hag does not provide any improvement, the management should take further steps.

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Quote from: Weawant on October 05, 2024, 03:37:10 PM

Quote from: bering on October 05, 2024, 05:06:56 AM

Europa League with new format seems not easy for some of favourite teams because the teams just like Manchester United, Ajax, Roma, Galatasaray, Olympiacos, and Athletic Bilbao still hard struggling in this competition even for the first favourite just like Manchester United still unable to gets the winning result and among all of 36 teams who playing at this competition so far only 5 teams who can able to gets 2 wins

I have to says Europa league matches is so unpredictable this season because although probably on the paper some of big teams is much stronger than small teams but there is no guarantee those teams will be automatically can beat their opponents and it proven until week 2 besides Manchester United some of strong teams just like Sociedad and Roma has been failed to gets the winning result even Roma has just lost from IF Elfsborg

Even after been one of the top favorite, Manchester united is still struggling to be able to get to the top of the table or even be amongst the top teams who are already at the top of the table and i see that as supposed to be an issue for the whole team but then their coach is still reluctant, Lazio, Tottenham and the others at the top five are just exactly where they were expected to be and its totally fine because they are actually doin so well already and will make the title race much more easier as they will be battling for the title, hopefully Manchester united joins the race before it ends.

Manchester United, who have drawn two matches in two matches, may not be among the top eight in the Europa League. However, this is not a problem, if they are among the next eight teams, they will still be in the matches. I think Manchester United will advance, but like everyone else, I was thinking about the possibility of leadership. It seems that Manchester United will not be the leader in this league.

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Quote from: bering on October 05, 2024, 05:06:56 AM

Europa League with new format seems not easy for some of favourite teams because the teams just like Manchester United, Ajax, Roma, Galatasaray, Olympiacos, and Athletic Bilbao still hard struggling in this competition even for the first favourite just like Manchester United still unable to gets the winning result and among all of 36 teams who playing at this competition so far only 5 teams who can able to gets 2 wins

I have to says Europa league matches is so unpredictable this season because although probably on the paper some of big teams is much stronger than small teams but there is no guarantee those teams will be automatically can beat their opponents and it proven until week 2 besides Manchester United some of strong teams just like Sociedad and Roma has been failed to gets the winning result even Roma has just lost from IF Elfsborg

I would say that there are many factors here due to which the results become more random even in pairs with a clear favorite. The first factor is the status of the games - their value is low due to the fact that this is a large group stage and there is always time to correct mistakes. The second factor is the teams participating in the competition - after all, the strongest and most stable clubs play in the Champions League. Well, the third factor is motivation: in such tournaments, strong clubs have lower motivation, while weak ones have higher motivation.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on October 05, 2024, 08:51:24 PM

Yes and in an interview Ivan Juric stated as if he had worked very well and did not accept when there was lot of bad talk about AS Roma performance and defeat against team that actually had much lower level than them, but this is ridiculous because defeat is still defeat and of course there will be lot of negative sentiment so they have to be able to accept it.

But indeed in that match, statistics show how Roma's dominance and many attacks were much greater than their opponents. However, all of that was in vain because it was ineffective and there were no goals at all, IF Elfsborg was indeed quite lucky because they got a penalty kick opportunity, and Roma was very unlucky with that. But behind all that, the point is that Roma's game at that time was not optimal and still wasted many opportunities. We'll see in the next matches, how they develop under Ivan Juric. In Serie A, Roma did get a win in their last match.

Quote from: Falconer on October 05, 2024, 04:25:41 PM

Ten Hag has not only messed up the team, but he has spent a lot of budget to recruit new players, but so far all his efforts have not been able to provide the expected impact.

I found a very interesting illustration about Ten Hag, Man United, in their last match against Porto.

Source: Ten Hag-maguire

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on October 06, 2024, 04:18:22 AM

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So far Manchester united has gotten two points in the Europa even if they are yet to win a game or loose one but its not an encouraging result for a team that had a very high expectancy from people with their chances of wining the league title this season but then it has turned out they aren't even amongst the top ten in the Europa league table and sadly its same back home in their domestic league, I'm beginning to doubt if they will be able to get pass the round of sixteen or even make it there by the end of the current round so far.

Manchester United have been really poor this season. They have been consistent in their poor performances this season. It has been two seasons under Erik Ten Hag, I expect a much better performance from Manchester United but up till now they are neither playing good football nor winning games comfortably. This is not the standard for a top club like Manchester United, they have drawn two games that they should have won comfortably in the Europa League this season.

I never expected Ten Hag to put the club in a worst state with the years that he has spent the the players. It seems that the longer he stays, the more the team performance depreciates and something needs to be done fast. Otherwise, I will not classify Manchester united as a bog club anymore, but a rich club.

Manchester united might not qualify from the group stage because they have not shown any quality performance in their first two matches, rather they show much weakness to their opponents. I will love to see which trophy Ten Hag sill win this season for him to retain his job.

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Quote from: beerlover on October 05, 2024, 01:44:03 PM

I believe Galatasaray will be in top eight, not just because they will do fine for the rest of the games, but no teams are dominating the league phase right now, there are only few teams with two wins. Meaning, if Galatasaray wins four games and lose 2, even that would eb enough.

Tottenham game will be harder to play, definitely harder than RFS no doubt, but on contrary to what people believe, I think the chance of them having a draw against Spurs is likely. Because, Galatasaray didn't care about RFS and they underestimated their opponent, they didn't run, fight or battled, and they failed to win because of this. When they are playing against the Spurs, they will be aware that they are playing against a great team, probably best team in Europa right now, so they will play better.

Galatasaray's only weakness is their defending. They can't play effective in defense especially against teams with fast counter-attacks. They concede so many goals and lose their advantage because of that. This is the point they need to work hard on. They have time for that considering the upcoming break for national matches.

If they make progress on that then everything would be just fine. They can already score goals easily. They have very capable players in the attacking area. Even in Osimhen's absence it doesn't matter for them.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on October 06, 2024, 04:18:22 AM

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So far Manchester united has gotten two points in the Europa even if they are yet to win a game or loose one but its not an encouraging result for a team that had a very high expectancy from people with their chances of wining the league title this season but then it has turned out they aren't even amongst the top ten in the Europa league table and sadly its same back home in their domestic league, I'm beginning to doubt if they will be able to get pass the round of sixteen or even make it there by the end of the current round so far.

Manchester United have been really poor this season. They have been consistent in their poor performances this season. It has been two seasons under Erik Ten Hag, I expect a much better performance from Manchester United but up till now they are neither playing good football nor winning games comfortably. This is not the standard for a top club like Manchester United, they have drawn two games that they should have won comfortably in the Europa League this season.

Manchester United are having a difficult season in the Europa League and the domestic league at the moment, so it is quite natural that the pressure continues to be put on ten hag who is considered incapable of coaching at the moment, In the Europa League, they have only collected two points from two games and that is definitely not the expected result after they spent more than 600 million euros in the transfer market, they are actually one of the favorite teams as title contenders in europa league, but if we look at their current position of course make we are starting to doubt for they, the draw against a big team team may be understandable but getting 1 point from a team like Twente and almost losing to Porto of course indicates that currently Manchester United is in an emergency, I think, there are many factors that affect Manchester United current performance such as defensive consistency, attacking effectiveness, team mentality and what affects the most is of course their strategy and also their game formation, so I think Ten Hag may need to change the strategy and formation he uses at the moment by adjusting the tactics used by their opponents.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on October 06, 2024, 04:18:22 AM

Quote from: Weawant on October 04, 2024, 05:53:11 PM

So far Manchester united has gotten two points in the Europa even if they are yet to win a game or loose one but its not an encouraging result for a team that had a very high expectancy from people with their chances of wining the league title this season but then it has turned out they aren't even amongst the top ten in the Europa league table and sadly its same back home in their domestic league, I'm beginning to doubt if they will be able to get pass the round of sixteen or even make it there by the end of the current round so far.

Manchester United have been really poor this season. They have been consistent in their poor performances this season. It has been two seasons under Erik Ten Hag, I expect a much better performance from Manchester United but up till now they are neither playing good football nor winning games comfortably. This is not the standard for a top club like Manchester United, they have drawn two games that they should have won comfortably in the Europa League this season.

This is due to their lack of hard work and effort, if they had play well in the season and play the game as their duty, the points would have been earn by themselves. He is not expect to work hard, as in the position Ten Hague is currently in, until the title match. Manchester United are spoiling themselves even though they had a lot of chances but they didn't work hard and didn't win the match with courage but they draw and lost some games where even weak teams play and lose. Every team there has won a match against Manchester United. If Manchester United still do not get it, I don't think they are interest this season if they were they make some effort.

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Quote from: Weawant on October 04, 2024, 05:53:11 PM

So far Manchester united has gotten two points in the Europa even if they are yet to win a game or loose one but its not an encouraging result for a team that had a very high expectancy from people with their chances of wining the league title this season but then it has turned out they aren't even amongst the top ten in the Europa league table and sadly its same back home in their domestic league, I'm beginning to doubt if they will be able to get pass the round of sixteen or even make it there by the end of the current round so far.

Manchester United have been really poor this season. They have been consistent in their poor performances this season. It has been two seasons under Erik Ten Hag, I expect a much better performance from Manchester United but up till now they are neither playing good football nor winning games comfortably. This is not the standard for a top club like Manchester United, they have drawn two games that they should have won comfortably in the Europa League this season.

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Quote from: tusandii on October 05, 2024, 03:37:56 AM

It seems that Bruno Fernandez is in a bad mood getting 2 red cards in 2 matches is not an accidental mistake even though he knows the consequences, in the previous match against Tottenham Manchester United club won when appealing and he did not miss several matches but this time it seems that Manchester United will not win because it is clear that his mistake could endanger other players and he must accept the punishment by missing several matches the coach must be able to discipline his players so that they do not play carelessly which will ultimately harm the team.

Indeed, in a very bad mood. To get two red cards, you still have to be able to do that. I suppose that this is part of some plan and everything is not as it seems. It is possible that this is such a strategy, but it somehow does not work well.

Well, I myself do not believe in even the slightest chance of Manchester winning. No, this season the club has not shown a very good game. It could have been much better. I know that for sure.

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Roma is over, after Mourinho left the team, Roma is getting weaker.

I see that Roma have many young players like 20 years old, although there are great young players like Yamal, Guler etc, but most of young players are weaker than average players in prime age.

It's hard to believe Roma would out from the competition because there are many unknown teams played in this league.

Yeah, and i was wondering why Roma sacked Mou in the first place? They're now gone from a world-class coach to an amateur coach.

On Juric's post-interview after their defeat against Elfsborg. He said that he has seen improvements in his squad, though they lost to a small club.

This is a disgrace for Roma's management. They made terrible decisions. They went from world-class coach (Mou) to a midtable coach (DDR), then to an amateur coach (Juric).

It seems to me that the Roma banter era will never end.

Yes and in an interview Ivan Juric stated as if he had worked very well and did not accept when there was lot of bad talk about AS Roma performance and defeat against team that actually had much lower level than them, but this is ridiculous because defeat is still defeat and of course there will be lot of negative sentiment so they have to be able to accept it.
Whatever is said that they have seen better improvements but in fact the defeat that we all see, improvement and development can be said even though the team lost when playing against bigger team but this was defeat against small team like Elfsborg and AS Roma was unable to turn things around at least to get draw.
Honestly, I much more interested in AS Roma which is still led by De Rossi than the current leadership period which was taken over by Ivan Juric after De Rossi was fired on the grounds of differences of opinion about player transfers with Florent Ghisolfi as AS Roma director.
If it continues like this I doubt AS Roma will be able to play well in the Europa League competition even though previously they were one of the favorite team that had the opportunity to compete for the championship title.

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Quote from: swogerino on October 05, 2024, 03:26:04 PM

I saw an interview in some social media where I was watching reels with him, Ten Haag saying explicitly please dismiss me answering some questions from I don't know who as it was a short reel from Instagram. It is going to be beneficial to remove him as since the time he came he made a mess out of a very good rose of players who no matter they were not getting good results they were playing well, since this guy came not only they played not well anymore but kept going from bad to worse and I really still to this day do not understand Manchester United upper management, if I were in their shoes I would have sacked him a long time ago and that would be the most correct decision seeing the situation for some years now. He promises from ages now to improve team performance but it is something that is not happening, and if it did not happen in three years I doubt it is going to be happening now.

Ten Hag has not only messed up the team, but he has spent a lot of budget to recruit new players, but so far all his efforts have not been able to provide the expected impact. On that basis, the request for his dismissal is understandable, fans do not want to see their favorite team experience a worse decline. I am sure Ten Hag has received a warning from the club top brass, although on the other hand he said he was not afraid of being fired. But the chaos will not stop by firing Ten Hag alone, meaning that management must ensure that Ten Hag's next replacement can boost the team performance which is currently slumping. For now, several well-known managers are still seen unemployed, and perhaps management has tried to explore various opportunities that are currently available.

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Quote from: bering on October 05, 2024, 05:06:56 AM

Europa League with new format seems not easy for some of favourite teams because the teams just like Manchester United, Ajax, Roma, Galatasaray, Olympiacos, and Athletic Bilbao still hard struggling in this competition even for the first favourite just like Manchester United still unable to gets the winning result and among all of 36 teams who playing at this competition so far only 5 teams who can able to gets 2 wins

I have to says Europa league matches is so unpredictable this season because although probably on the paper some of big teams is much stronger than small teams but there is no guarantee those teams will be automatically can beat their opponents and it proven until week 2 besides Manchester United some of strong teams just like Sociedad and Roma has been failed to gets the winning result even Roma has just lost from IF Elfsborg

Even after been one of the top favorite, Manchester united is still struggling to be able to get to the top of the table or even be amongst the top teams who are already at the top of the table and i see that as supposed to be an issue for the whole team but then their coach is still reluctant, Lazio, Tottenham and the others at the top five are just exactly where they were expected to be and its totally fine because they are actually doin so well already and will make the title race much more easier as they will be battling for the title, hopefully Manchester united joins the race before it ends.

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Quote from: Weawant on October 04, 2024, 05:53:11 PM

The 2 draws that Man United got were actually the best results and that was one of Ten Hag's plans when the Man United squad was unable to get 3 points, at least holding a draw would give 1 point which is better than losing points. The results are indeed not too impressive but believe it or not I also doubt Ten Hag's team. Man United is increasingly under great pressure and the coach also continues to receive bad criticism that can affect the future of the team. And my prediction is that Man United will not last long in the European league match.

Manchester United basically tried more to score goals in that match, only things were never easy. Porto was more eager to win the match, while Manchester United played under pressure. Ten Hag clearly received criticism, but that did not dampen his intention to improve the team's performance.

If Ten Hag is not able to improve Manchester United's performance this season, then I am sure this will be his last season at Old Trafford. It's not good to keep a coach who fails to improve the quality of the team for longer, so his dismissal will hopefully help the team come up with a better plan with another coach.

I saw an interview in some social media where I was watching reels with him, Ten Haag saying explicitly please dismiss me answering some questions from I don't know who as it was a short reel from Instagram. It is going to be beneficial to remove him as since the time he came he made a mess out of a very good rose of players who no matter they were not getting good results they were playing well, since this guy came not only they played not well anymore but kept going from bad to worse and I really still to this day do not understand Manchester United upper management, if I were in their shoes I would have sacked him a long time ago and that would be the most correct decision seeing the situation for some years now. He promises from ages now to improve team performance but it is something that is not happening, and if it did not happen in three years I doubt it is going to be happening now.

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Quote from: len01 on October 05, 2024, 02:01:13 AM

Quote from: Weawant on October 04, 2024, 05:53:11 PM

The 2 draws that Man United got were actually the best results and that was one of Ten Hag's plans when the Man United squad was unable to get 3 points, at least holding a draw would give 1 point which is better than losing points. The results are indeed not too impressive but believe it or not I also doubt Ten Hag's team. Man United is increasingly under great pressure and the coach also continues to receive bad criticism that can affect the future of the team. And my prediction is that Man United will not last long in the European league match.

Manchester United basically tried more to score goals in that match, only things were never easy. Porto was more eager to win the match, while Manchester United played under pressure. Ten Hag clearly received criticism, but that did not dampen his intention to improve the team's performance.

If Ten Hag is not able to improve Manchester United's performance this season, then I am sure this will be his last season at Old Trafford. It's not good to keep a coach who fails to improve the quality of the team for longer, so his dismissal will hopefully help the team come up with a better plan with another coach.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on October 05, 2024, 09:15:43 AM

This is a simulation of course. Nobody has to rely on this data.

However it will most probably turn out to be right about many of these teams considering their conditions.

I just hope Turkish teams have a successful run in the remaining 6 matches in this stage. Roll Eyes

None of them relieves me with their game to tell the truth. But for now Galatasaray and Fenerbahçe look more probable to finish in a good place. If Galatasaray improve their defending they can even finish in top 8. Otherwise it would stay as a dream because there are some tough opponents ahead - especially Tottenham and Ajax.

I believe Galatasaray will be in top eight, not just because they will do fine for the rest of the games, but no teams are dominating the league phase right now, there are only few teams with two wins. Meaning, if Galatasaray wins four games and lose 2, even that would eb enough.

Tottenham game will be harder to play, definitely harder than RFS no doubt, but on contrary to what people believe, I think the chance of them having a draw against Spurs is likely. Because, Galatasaray didn't care about RFS and they underestimated their opponent, they didn't run, fight or battled, and they failed to win because of this. When they are playing against the Spurs, they will be aware that they are playing against a great team, probably best team in Europa right now, so they will play better.

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Quote from: Weawant on October 04, 2024, 05:53:11 PM

So far Manchester united has gotten two points in the Europa even if they are yet to win a game or loose one but its not an encouraging result for a team that had a very high expectancy from people with their chances of wining the league title this season but then it has turned out they aren't even amongst the top ten in the Europa league table and sadly its same back home in their domestic league, I'm beginning to doubt if they will be able to get pass the round of sixteen or even make it there by the end of the current round so far.

From the beginning, I was never sure that Manchester United was able to become a team that was in the title race, because I think Manchester United is still very difficult to have stable performance. Thus,I was never sure about Manchester United because basically they are still in the process of building a better and stronger team, not a team that already has a good and strong form, so ofcourse it is difficult for Manchester United. The teams that are in first and second place at the moment are Lazio and Lyon and I think, both teams were not initially considered to be able to be at the top of the standings.Thus, even though the new format is implemented, it seems that the Europa League still has surprises to happen.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on October 05, 2024, 12:07:03 PM

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Yeah, getting one point is better than losing any points at all, especially if it is difficult to get full points. but actually United should have been able to get full points in the two matches in the Europa League group stage, because they were able to score first in the two matches. especially when playing against Porto, but the problem is they were unable to block their opponent's attacks so that the match became a draw. there are several factors that can be corrected and evaluated, Ten Hag's ineffective system or United players who are not solid and disciplined. well, such work becomes a job for Ten Hag, especially to control each of his players. if we talk about pressure and criticism, Ten Hag clearly gets it. next, there are still 6 matches that will be played by Ten Hag and his team. we'll see how they perform in the next matches.

This is not justified in my opinion, if we talk about points then it may be true that 1 point is better than 0 points, but why not try comparing it with 3 points? Isn't 3 points better than 1 point?
We also have to be able to see the level of strength of the opponent faced, if it is a "weak" opponent then 1 point will feel like a defeat. On the other hand, for the weak 1 point will feel like a victory, well we have to see whether Manchester United is a weak, ordinary or strong club.
Usually some people will look at the big name of a club, and if we look at it from that point of view, then Manchester United feels like a defeat when playing a draw. At least that's what I think.

Referring to all of that you are right, MU is indeed included in the category of superior teams with the big name that it has carried so far, 3 points should not be a difficult matter in the match, but now the conditions are different,
Man United has become an ordinary club with talented players ten hag can not maximize it, their strength is not stable at this time.
So do not expect much for bettors to get good results in every man united match, for now it is better to avoid MU in the betting slip.

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You will be surprised, but Fernandes won the appeal so his red is overturned (in the Premier League) and he will play the next games, but I don’t think it will help United much. Aston Villa are serious opponents and United will be lucky to get at least a draw.
By the way, I was wrong - United has one win not in 8 games in European competitions, but in 10. And this is a win against Copenhagen.
At the same time, Ten Hag suggests waiting until the end of the season Grin

And also - yes, United have a good chance of winning the Europa League, but everyone understands that this will not be the same Europa League as in previous years, since the composition of participants this year is an order of magnitude weaker (since there will be no addition of teams from the Champions League).

I agree with you partially as things are going it looks like we will be having some good time is waiting for the Eric Ten Hag because if they can overcome Porto as they can do good against Aston Villa because now things were going completely down, and we know how Eric Ten Hag reacts every time when matters come on his job so most chances we will be having good result against Aston Villa even they can win as well.

Fernandes is the good player for Manchester United his role is always important for their good performance as I am not agreed about their chances of win Europa Cup but still we can expect them to have good performance in coming matches because they have ability and quality to do this Aston Villa game could be good and decisive for them because things are taking changes and Aston Villa is also surely at his best but can to stop the Manchester United it's interesting.

Why don't you believe in winning the Europa League? Have you forgotten that there will be no landing from the Champions League this year? That is, only those teams that are already in the tournament are competing for the title, and the strongest of them are: Tottenham, Athletic, Roma, Lazio, Sociedad, Porto, Galatasaray, Lyon. To put it mildly, not the strongest competitors if we compare them with any previous season.
It would be a tragedy for United to win this tournament - then Ten Hag would be kept on for another year Grin

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Galatasaray couldn't meet the expectations the last time and this makes me sad. Sad

Our remaining games:

There is a long time until our next game because of a national break. It is enough time to look where we are doing wrong. Especially for the defense line. We should overcome our vulnerability against teams building their games fast. I still can't accept the fact that we lost to a farmers league club...

With this kind of defending we are likely to get really poor results against Ajax and Tottenham both. Every game is a danger for us while playing like this in fact.

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