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Quote from: lixer on October 04, 2024, 03:59:50 PM

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You will be surprised, but Fernandes won the appeal so his red is overturned (in the Premier League) and he will play the next games, but I don’t think it will help United much. Aston Villa are serious opponents and United will be lucky to get at least a draw.
By the way, I was wrong - United has one win not in 8 games in European competitions, but in 10. And this is a win against Copenhagen.
At the same time, Ten Hag suggests waiting until the end of the season Grin

And also - yes, United have a good chance of winning the Europa League, but everyone understands that this will not be the same Europa League as in previous years, since the composition of participants this year is an order of magnitude weaker (since there will be no addition of teams from the Champions League).

I agree with you partially as things are going it looks like we will be having some good time is waiting for the Eric Ten Hag because if they can overcome Porto as they can do good against Aston Villa because now things were going completely down, and we know how Eric Ten Hag reacts every time when matters come on his job so most chances we will be having good result against Aston Villa even they can win as well.

Fernandes is the good player for Manchester United his role is always important for their good performance as I am not agreed about their chances of win Europa Cup but still we can expect them to have good performance in coming matches because they have ability and quality to do this Aston Villa game could be good and decisive for them because things are taking changes and Aston Villa is also surely at his best but can to stop the Manchester United it's interesting.

Why don't you believe in winning the Europa League? Have you forgotten that there will be no landing from the Champions League this year? That is, only those teams that are already in the tournament are competing for the title, and the strongest of them are: Tottenham, Athletic, Roma, Lazio, Sociedad, Porto, Galatasaray, Lyon. To put it mildly, not the strongest competitors if we compare them with any previous season.
It would be a tragedy for United to win this tournament - then Ten Hag would be kept on for another year Grin

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Galatasaray couldn't meet the expectations the last time and this makes me sad. Sad

Our remaining games:

There is a long time until our next game because of a national break. It is enough time to look where we are doing wrong. Especially for the defense line. We should overcome our vulnerability against teams building their games fast. I still can't accept the fact that we lost to a farmers league club...

With this kind of defending we are likely to get really poor results against Ajax and Tottenham both. Every game is a danger for us while playing like this in fact.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on October 05, 2024, 10:41:43 AM

Yeah, getting one point is better than losing any points at all, especially if it is difficult to get full points. but actually United should have been able to get full points in the two matches in the Europa League group stage, because they were able to score first in the two matches. especially when playing against Porto, but the problem is they were unable to block their opponent's attacks so that the match became a draw. there are several factors that can be corrected and evaluated, Ten Hag's ineffective system or United players who are not solid and disciplined. well, such work becomes a job for Ten Hag, especially to control each of his players. if we talk about pressure and criticism, Ten Hag clearly gets it. next, there are still 6 matches that will be played by Ten Hag and his team. we'll see how they perform in the next matches.

This is not justified in my opinion, if we talk about points then it may be true that 1 point is better than 0 points, but why not try comparing it with 3 points? Isn't 3 points better than 1 point?
We also have to be able to see the level of strength of the opponent faced, if it is a "weak" opponent then 1 point will feel like a defeat. On the other hand, for the weak 1 point will feel like a victory, well we have to see whether Manchester United is a weak, ordinary or strong club.
Usually some people will look at the big name of a club, and if we look at it from that point of view, then Manchester United feels like a defeat when playing a draw. At least that's what I think.

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Quote from: len01 on October 05, 2024, 02:01:13 AM

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So far Manchester united has gotten two points in the Europa even if they are yet to win a game or loose one but its not an encouraging result for a team that had a very high expectancy from people with their chances of wining the league title this season but then it has turned out they aren't even amongst the top ten in the Europa league table and sadly its same back home in their domestic league, I'm beginning to doubt if they will be able to get pass the round of sixteen or even make it there by the end of the current round so far.

The 2 draws that Man United got were actually the best results and that was one of Ten Hag's plans when the Man United squad was unable to get 3 points, at least holding a draw would give 1 point which is better than losing points. The results are indeed not too impressive but believe it or not I also doubt Ten Hag's team. Man United is increasingly under great pressure and the coach also continues to receive bad criticism that can affect the future of the team. And my prediction is that Man United will not last long in the European league match.

Yeah, getting one point is better than losing any points at all, especially if it is difficult to get full points. but actually United should have been able to get full points in the two matches in the Europa League group stage, because they were able to score first in the two matches. especially when playing against Porto, but the problem is they were unable to block their opponent's attacks so that the match became a draw. there are several factors that can be corrected and evaluated, Ten Hag's ineffective system or United players who are not solid and disciplined. well, such work becomes a job for Ten Hag, especially to control each of his players. if we talk about pressure and criticism, Ten Hag clearly gets it. next, there are still 6 matches that will be played by Ten Hag and his team. we'll see how they perform in the next matches.

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Quote from: len01 on October 05, 2024, 02:01:13 AM

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So far Manchester united has gotten two points in the Europa even if they are yet to win a game or loose one but its not an encouraging result for a team that had a very high expectancy from people with their chances of wining the league title this season but then it has turned out they aren't even amongst the top ten in the Europa league table and sadly its same back home in their domestic league, I'm beginning to doubt if they will be able to get pass the round of sixteen or even make it there by the end of the current round so far.

The 2 draws that Man United got were actually the best results and that was one of Ten Hag's plans when the Man United squad was unable to get 3 points, at least holding a draw would give 1 point which is better than losing points. The results are indeed not too impressive but believe it or not I also doubt Ten Hag's team. Man United is increasingly under great pressure and the coach also continues to receive bad criticism that can affect the future of the team. And my prediction is that Man United will not last long in the European league match.

I think Manchester United players and the coach are in so much pressure because of their performance so far in premier league. They are very down in position which is dissapointing for a team like Manchester United, because of the challenge of their performance I don't think if Manchester United will be able to make good performance in europa league, already from the games they have played so far in europa league not very impressive. I just hope Manchester United can be lucky in their games in europa league since it is not that very tough compare to EPL.

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I have come across some data related to the chances of teams in the Europa League for top 8 and top 24.

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This is a simulation of course. Nobody has to rely on this data.

However it will most probably turn out to be right about many of these teams considering their conditions.

I just hope Turkish teams have a successful run in the remaining 6 matches in this stage. Roll Eyes

None of them relieves me with their game to tell the truth. But for now Galatasaray and Fenerbahçe look more probable to finish in a good place. If Galatasaray improve their defending they can even finish in top 8. Otherwise it would stay as a dream because there are some tough opponents ahead - especially Tottenham and Ajax.

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Quote from: hyudien on October 05, 2024, 08:28:31 AM

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So far Manchester united has gotten two points in the Europa even if they are yet to win a game or loose one but its not an encouraging result for a team that had a very high expectancy from people with their chances of wining the league title this season but then it has turned out they aren't even amongst the top ten in the Europa league table and sadly its same back home in their domestic league, I'm beginning to doubt if they will be able to get pass the round of sixteen or even make it there by the end of the current round so far.

The 2 draws that Man United got were actually the best results and that was one of Ten Hag's plans when the Man United squad was unable to get 3 points, at least holding a draw would give 1 point which is better than losing points. The results are indeed not too impressive but believe it or not I also doubt Ten Hag's team. Man United is increasingly under great pressure and the coach also continues to receive bad criticism that can affect the future of the team. And my prediction is that Man United will not last long in the European league match.

But I think the result is not good for a team with a big name like them, and it should also be remembered that they are a team that is widely considered to achieve an achievement in the Europa League this season. But with their current condition I am not sure they will be able to achieve the best. Not to belittle, but I am sure you can know what this means. Their problems have not been resolved in several seasons, not because of financial factors, but they cannot manage this team very well. Because when looking at their abilities, they are actually a team that is very capable of showing their best. It's just that I think the management is not good at managing this team and now coupled with a coach who is unable to improve the team's performance.

Manchester united was the second team that the bookmakers gave the highest odds of winning Europa cup after Tottenham but here they are playing like mediocre team with no direction or game plan. Imagine they scored two goals and allowed the two goals to be equalized within 10 minutes, is that not to tell you how careless they are on the pitch.

I don't see Tottenham winning the league because it is a club that we don't expect that might win the league thos season just luke what happened last season. It is very difficult to predict the winner of Europa from season to season because we see different clubs all the time in every season, unlike Champions League that there are always favorite clubs in attendance every season.

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Quote from: len01 on October 05, 2024, 02:01:13 AM

Quote from: Weawant on October 04, 2024, 05:53:11 PM

So far Manchester united has gotten two points in the Europa even if they are yet to win a game or loose one but its not an encouraging result for a team that had a very high expectancy from people with their chances of wining the league title this season but then it has turned out they aren't even amongst the top ten in the Europa league table and sadly its same back home in their domestic league, I'm beginning to doubt if they will be able to get pass the round of sixteen or even make it there by the end of the current round so far.

The 2 draws that Man United got were actually the best results and that was one of Ten Hag's plans when the Man United squad was unable to get 3 points, at least holding a draw would give 1 point which is better than losing points. The results are indeed not too impressive but believe it or not I also doubt Ten Hag's team. Man United is increasingly under great pressure and the coach also continues to receive bad criticism that can affect the future of the team. And my prediction is that Man United will not last long in the European league match.

But I think the result is not good for a team with a big name like them, and it should also be remembered that they are a team that is widely considered to achieve an achievement in the Europa League this season. But with their current condition I am not sure they will be able to achieve the best. Not to belittle, but I am sure you can know what this means. Their problems have not been resolved in several seasons, not because of financial factors, but they cannot manage this team very well. Because when looking at their abilities, they are actually a team that is very capable of showing their best. It's just that I think the management is not good at managing this team and now coupled with a coach who is unable to improve the team's performance.

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Quote from: bering on October 05, 2024, 05:06:56 AM

Europa League with new format seems not easy for some of favourite teams because the teams just like Manchester United, Ajax, Roma, Galatasaray, Olympiacos, and Athletic Bilbao still hard struggling in this competition even for the first favourite just like Manchester United still unable to gets the winning result and among all of 36 teams who playing at this competition so far only 5 teams who can able to gets 2 wins

I have to says Europa league matches is so unpredictable this season because although probably on the paper some of big teams is much stronger than small teams but there is no guarantee those teams will be automatically can beat their opponents and it proven until week 2 besides Manchester United some of strong teams just like Sociedad and Roma has been failed to gets the winning result even Roma has just lost from IF Elfsborg

That's right, matches in the Europa League are getting harder to predict. Teams that are included in the favorite category fail to get maximum points, they even tend to play badly. Lyon, who performed badly in Ligue 1, was able to create a different performance in the Europa League. Real Sociedad and AS Roma have not even been able to get a single win, even though on paper they have adequate strength. Man United, who are considered the most serious trophy challengers, have actually performed unstable and have not been able to secure full points. Seeing the dynamics of the current Europa League competition, it seems that there will be many surprises in the future, it is possible that teams that are considered dominant will be eliminated early.

The League phase still has 6 matches left, those who are ambitious to finish in the top 8 of the standings must work harder to collect full points in each match. Because, if they finish in 9th to 24th place, each team must undergo two additional matches in the playoff path. This can add to the burden on the players with the tight match schedule that must be played.

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Europa League with new format seems not easy for some of favourite teams because the teams just like Manchester United, Ajax, Roma, Galatasaray, Olympiacos, and Athletic Bilbao still hard struggling in this competition even for the first favourite just like Manchester United still unable to gets the winning result and among all of 36 teams who playing at this competition so far only 5 teams who can able to gets 2 wins

I have to says Europa league matches is so unpredictable this season because although probably on the paper some of big teams is much stronger than small teams but there is no guarantee those teams will be automatically can beat their opponents and it proven until week 2 besides Manchester United some of strong teams just like Sociedad and Roma has been failed to gets the winning result even Roma has just lost from IF Elfsborg

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on October 04, 2024, 09:40:57 AM

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Elfsborg was a Swedish club. They also rarely played in European competition as well.

On other hand, i don't even think Roma played well in this game. They had no poise and character. They wasted so many chances. They dominated possession. But their opponent let them have it. They are playing without a tactical plan. They did 20 crosses that went nowhere.

I hope Roma is out of the competition If they keep playing at this rate, they clearly don't want to be here. They were not serious in their performance.

Roma is over, after Mourinho left the team, Roma is getting weaker.

I see that Roma have many young players like 20 years old, although there are great young players like Yamal, Guler etc, but most of young players are weaker than average players in prime age.

It's hard to believe Roma would out from the competition because there are many unknown teams played in this league.

Yeah, and i was wondering why Roma sacked Mou in the first place? They're now gone from a world-class coach to an amateur coach.

On Juric's post-interview after their defeat against Elfsborg. He said that he has seen improvements in his squad, though they lost to a small club.

This is a disgrace for Roma's management. They made terrible decisions. They went from world-class coach (Mou) to a midtable coach (DDR), then to an amateur coach (Juric).

It seems to me that the Roma banter era will never end.

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The match between Manchester United and Porto was indeed very dramatic, the exchange of goals occurred in the match since the first half of the match began, playing at home, in fact Porto was surprised by Rashford quick goal in the 7th minute and Manchester who were 1 goal ahead continued to increase their attack to secure the victory, but unfortunately it was Manchester United's defense again that became a problem that caused them to fail to get full points in the match, De Ligt and Martinez I think was the reason Manchester failed to get 3 points because of their inability to guard the defense which made Porto manage to end the game with a score of 3-3.
Maybe Manchester United will try to appeal, but it looks like they won't succeed in overturning the punishment received by Bruno Fernandes,Because indeed he deserves a second yellow card in the match after raising his legs too high and potentially endangering the opponent.

Here, everything is already quite obvious. Dangerous play. It is not a sin to give a yellow card for this. The referee did everything right here. A completely justified gesture. You can’t play like that on the field. Bruno Fernandes behaved strangely in this situation, having such a great experience of the game. Apparently, something is affecting him. What could it be? Perhaps some personal problems?

It seems that Bruno Fernandez is in a bad mood getting 2 red cards in 2 matches is not an accidental mistake even though he knows the consequences, in the previous match against Tottenham Manchester United club won when appealing and he did not miss several matches but this time it seems that Manchester United will not win because it is clear that his mistake could endanger other players and he must accept the punishment by missing several matches the coach must be able to discipline his players so that they do not play carelessly which will ultimately harm the team.

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Quote from: Weawant on October 04, 2024, 05:53:11 PM

So far Manchester united has gotten two points in the Europa even if they are yet to win a game or loose one but its not an encouraging result for a team that had a very high expectancy from people with their chances of wining the league title this season but then it has turned out they aren't even amongst the top ten in the Europa league table and sadly its same back home in their domestic league, I'm beginning to doubt if they will be able to get pass the round of sixteen or even make it there by the end of the current round so far.

I'm just really tired of Ten Hag already, makes alot of promises, keep talking about his past glories everyday he is given a chance to speak at the press. I still don't how understand how Manchester will blow a 2-0 lead in first half, this current Manchester united lacks alot of things, and I really think it the coach that is behind it. Let take Chelsea as an example, they both did poorly last season and when meresca came in you can see how Chelsea are playing with desire and you can how everyone in the squad is really happy. I think it high time Manchester united have a change of coach. Since ten Hag came in I don't really see anything he is building, not even a style of play.

He have also successfully sold out some qualities players Manchester united have, this weekend they play against Aston Villa at villa park when the superb bayern muchen came and got beaten some few days ago. I don't see Manchester united even picking a point in that match. Bruno fenendez is also causing Manchester united alot of problems right now and maybe it time to sit him on the bench and let the man rest a bit. Ten Hag right now is clueless and confused.

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Well it is a fact that the club still has problems with the performance of its team, or it is no secret that things have become tougher for them due to the poor performance shown , although the truth is that the game they tied against PORTO was good, I don't know but it was seen that they played with everything they had, it must be highlighted that, the players want to win, but I consider that the direction is not the right one because I have always said many things against Ten Hag , however I don't know how he has followers who follow him strictly even though he screws up as much as he can.

I expect Manchester United to win that match even though I actually believe Porto can comeback in the first half. Manchester United's draw was caused by their weak defense when they were leading 0-2 where Porto players really managed to exploit that weakness. Maguire came in to give a new color, he should have been available earlier instead of keeping him on the bench.

Matthijs de Ligt looked weak in that match and he and Martinez were completely overwhelmed in defense. Onana certainly helped in his way, he saved some of Porto's chances, but he couldn't always be a strong wall. Ten Hag was in charge, but he seemed relaxed in his own style.

With the level of rubbish Manchester United plays in premier league, I was even impressed they were able to share points in that match, they started off well quite alright and surprised Porto with two early goals, but I was neither comfortable nor very positive about their winning that match and in no distant time Porto started responding accordingly.

On my stakes, I knew there would be lots of goals on that encounter and I staked on BTS which I gained without much stress. The truth is that lots of improvement is needed in there Manchester United team, until then I'm not expecting much from Manchester United.

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Quote from: Weawant on October 04, 2024, 05:53:11 PM

So far Manchester united has gotten two points in the Europa even if they are yet to win a game or loose one but its not an encouraging result for a team that had a very high expectancy from people with their chances of wining the league title this season but then it has turned out they aren't even amongst the top ten in the Europa league table and sadly its same back home in their domestic league, I'm beginning to doubt if they will be able to get pass the round of sixteen or even make it there by the end of the current round so far.

The 2 draws that Man United got were actually the best results and that was one of Ten Hag's plans when the Man United squad was unable to get 3 points, at least holding a draw would give 1 point which is better than losing points. The results are indeed not too impressive but believe it or not I also doubt Ten Hag's team. Man United is increasingly under great pressure and the coach also continues to receive bad criticism that can affect the future of the team. And my prediction is that Man United will not last long in the European league match.

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Quote from: Palakka on October 04, 2024, 12:58:18 PM

Manchester United has spent a lot of money in the transfer market in the last two seasons, but we don't see any improvement in their performance and consistency , so they are no different from burning big money all this time, but we also must to admit if the players they brought to Old Trafford are great players, so I think if the players that Manchester United currently have are in the right hands like Guardiola, Arteta and even Arne Slot of course they will be a formidable team as Premier League title contenders, but what we see happening to Manchester United at the moment is Ten Hag inability to coach, so I think with their inconsistency all this time, ten hag must fire last season and not this seasonzbecause their poor performance last season has actually been a reference and a strong reason to kick ten hag out from old Trafford, but strangely, management are quite patient to see Manchester United slump like today Grin

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First, we have to evaluate their transfer dealings and see how effective the signings have been since then. Manchester United’s transfer strategies are not the best and football these days has evolved past that already, now every club seeks for vibrant and strong players who will bring instant improvement and power to their squad while Manchester United still scout old veterans who are close to retirement to boost their squad, how possible is that? Jim Ratcliffe has said before that the problem of Manchester United is not the manager, but the environment. I don’t know what “environment” means in the context, it seems to me that United bosses do not want the blame to be on Ten Hag instead they would rather make a player a villain.

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The game ended with a draw after Harry Maguire rose high in the stoppage time and scored a header to give 10 man Manchester United a draw at Porto. The mentality of Manchester United have been heavily affected and the confidence of the players have reduced significantly but sadly the club management is not ready to make the vital and necessary decision of sacking Erik ten Hag. I wasn't surprised that Porto came from 2 goals down to get a draw and was even close to winning the game because Manchester United in recent times haven't been convincing with their results and performances. The club is in crises and will continue to underperform till when there's an improvement.

Well it is a fact that the club still has problems with the performance of its team, or it is no secret that things have become tougher for them due to the poor performance shown , although the truth is that the game they tied against PORTO was good, I don't know but it was seen that they played with everything they had, it must be highlighted that, the players want to win, but I consider that the direction is not the right one because I have always said many things against Ten Hag , however I don't know how he has followers who follow him strictly even though he screws up as much as he can.

Not a bad result for MU, especially since they played at Porto home ground. However, what I regret most is that MU players did not try to maintain discipline when they were leading 0-2, Ten Hag also did not immediately instruct his players to play more pragmatically and effectively. MU should try to play a little more closed by strengthening the defense sector to maintain their advantage, this strategy is very realistic, especially since they are looking for a win after only being able to draw against Twente in the first match. Ten Hag's inability to strategize was clearly visible in this match, now they are increasingly sinking to 21st place and their chances of qualifying for the next phase are getting smaller.

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Quote from: Weawant on October 04, 2024, 05:53:11 PM

So far Manchester united has gotten two points in the Europa even if they are yet to win a game or loose one but its not an encouraging result for a team that had a very high expectancy from people with their chances of wining the league title this season but then it has turned out they aren't even amongst the top ten in the Europa league table and sadly its same back home in their domestic league, I'm beginning to doubt if they will be able to get pass the round of sixteen or even make it there by the end of the current round so far.

Me too. I'm doubting Manchester United's chance to get into the round of 16. Even though there are so many matches left for them, they have never improved. They are still in the knockout-playoff zone. They got only 2 points from two matches. It's a disappointing result from a club that wasted almost half a billion to rebuild their team.

And I'm feeling they will fail at the knock-out playoff before they manage to qualify for the round of 16. Also, they're gonna face tougher opponents soon.

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Manchester United vs Porto was the most exciting match, it started from Manchester United leading two goals, Porto make a comeback for scoring 3 goals and in the injury time, Manchester United managed to equalize the score.

Bruno once again try a risky move and he received red card in this match, will Manchester United appeal the red card again just like they did in the previous match against Tottenham?

Bruno should be benched, unfortunately there are no players that play as good as him right now.

Wow, the match was really exciting, how could Man United who were already two goals ahead concede three goals, luckily Harry Maguire was able to score a goal in injury time, saving Man United from defeat. Regarding Bruno's red card, I think it's fair because it was clearly a violation and the referee didn't immediately issue a red card, only gave a yellow card, so because Bruno had previously received a yellow card, it's fair to get a red card. I don't agree if Bruno is benched because he is one of the key players in the Man United squad and he is also the team captain.

What happened in that match was nothing short of exciting for a Manchester united fan because having your team who were leading with two goals now battling to have the game in a draw after conceding three goals in a row is just a pure indication of how much the team's squad has dropped in quality and that includes the coach. Maguire scoring that stalemate goal for Manchester united doesn't make him any better because it was in that very defense that Porto found their three goals straightway. He was just at the right position at the right time, a coincidence. About Bruno, he's just not one with a leadership quality and many time his team has been found in difficult position he has never stood up to the captainship task so am not surprised about his action now which almost risk United losing all points.

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So far Manchester united has gotten two points in the Europa even if they are yet to win a game or loose one but its not an encouraging result for a team that had a very high expectancy from people with their chances of wining the league title this season but then it has turned out they aren't even amongst the top ten in the Europa league table and sadly its same back home in their domestic league, I'm beginning to doubt if they will be able to get pass the round of sixteen or even make it there by the end of the current round so far.

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