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Quote from: tusandii on December 12, 2024, 12:09:22 AM

Quote from: ? on December 11, 2024, 12:45:45 PM

The game just happened and Fernebahce lost the game. From the final results we all saw that that 69th minute red card contributed to the final result. Athletic Bilbao has once again proved their mastery of the game over Fernebahce. Let's look forward tomorrow's fixtures.

The red card meant nothing because Athletic Bilbao had created a 2-goal lead before Fenerbahce lost 1 player so after they only played with 10 men since the 69th minute, Fenerbahce found it increasingly difficult to face Bilbao and were unable to reply with even 1 goal.
The next match will be held tonight, there are a total of 17 matches that will be played simultaneously, I decided to bet on only 3 matches, namely Roma, Manchester United and Porto with odds @3.47.
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From analysis, Bilbao not being able to add to their goals despite Fernebahce loosing one player is a proof that there was actually a tactical improvement probably from the coach which strengthened defence and hindered more goals. Don't you think that if the lost player wasn't dismissed, their chances of securing a goal could have increased.

About today's fixtures, it's really going to be a tough one especially between Viktoria Plzen and Manchester United who sit at 13th and 12th position in the table with two wins and three draw each. Manchester United only leading the table with one goal difference. Staking on such games takes more critical analysis and places you at high risk.

In as much as the game would definitely be tough, I am of the opinion that Manchester United will claim the victory in order not to raise questions about their new coach after he has already lost two straight league games.

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Quote from: ? on December 11, 2024, 12:45:45 PM

The game just happened and Fernebahce lost the game. From the final results we all saw that that 69th minute red card contributed to the final result. Athletic Bilbao has once again proved their mastery of the game over Fernebahce. Let's look forward tomorrow's fixtures.

The red card meant nothing because Athletic Bilbao had created a 2-goal lead before Fenerbahce lost 1 player so after they only played with 10 men since the 69th minute, Fenerbahce found it increasingly difficult to face Bilbao and were unable to reply with even 1 goal.
The next match will be held tonight, there are a total of 17 matches that will be played simultaneously, I decided to bet on only 3 matches, namely Roma, Manchester United and Porto with odds @3.47.

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We have many interesting upcoming match though:

Manchester United vs Viktoria Plzen, Manchester United.
Roma vs Braga, draw.
Ajax vs Lazio, Lazio.
Rangers vs Tottenham, Rangers.

As bad as Manchester United that we know, it's really impossible to see them losing against weak team like Viktoria Plzen.

Quote from: Awaklara on December 11, 2024, 10:56:56 PM

Fenerbahçe actually did not play badly, it was just that their attacks were less successful. Bilbao's defense was quite solid and Fenerbahçe players did not get many chances.
Even after Dzeco came in, they had to accept that one of their players had to leave the match early. Being two goals behind at the start of the first half would make it very difficult for Fenerbahçe to catch up due to the lack of players.
Bilbao won and became an undefeated team in 6 Europa League matches.

Athletic Bilbao is really strong in this season, they even perform in La Liga, so if people think Fenerbahce will beat Bilbao, they're too confident. I didn't watch the match and see two goals are scored by Williams, I though it's gonna be Nico Williams, but it's actually the another Williams lol.

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Quote from: Out of mind on December 11, 2024, 09:38:16 PM

Fenerbahçe lost the match against Atletico Club at their home ground. Atletico Club is currently in the top position of the Europa League points table, the team was able to attack very strongly, which allowed them to win. In the first half of the game, Atletico Club attacked well, as a result of which they were able to score two goals before half time, Fenerbahçe could not equalize the game despite their strong attack. After half time, Atletico Club was able to resist Fenerbahçe's attack more strongly, they had most of the ball possession but they could not score. However, since Atletico Club is currently in great form in the Europa League, they will prepare more strongly for the next matches.

Fenerbahçe actually did not play badly, it was just that their attacks were less successful. Bilbao's defense was quite solid and Fenerbahçe players did not get many chances.
Even after Dzeco came in, they had to accept that one of their players had to leave the match early. Being two goals behind at the start of the first half would make it very difficult for Fenerbahçe to catch up due to the lack of players.
Bilbao won and became an undefeated team in 6 Europa League matches.

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Quote from: Frankolala on December 11, 2024, 02:08:06 AM

Why will Amorim target a draw on this match when he knows that people will criticize him the more. Amorim needs to win this match to gain more trust from the fans, and it's only this competition that can tell good of Amorim if he wins the rest matches and advance to the round of 16. Infact, Amorim should think of winning this league for an automatic ticket to UCL next season because he has the chance of winning Europa than staying on top four in EPL.

That's the problem and I don't think it will benefit him especially since the opponents they face are not much stronger than them, but because of the previous discussion he said that it is better for Manchester United to target a draw and I don't think that is an ideal result for Manchester United. Amorim has lost his previous two matches in the League and a draw or loss against Viktoria Plzen will put quite a lot of pressure on him. But if we talk about the Europa League trophy, it might still be quite difficult although it is also not impossible and qualifying for the Champions League in any way is a target that needs to be achieved by him.

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Fenerbahçe lost the match against Atletico Club at their home ground. Atletico Club is currently in the top position of the Europa League points table, the team was able to attack very strongly, which allowed them to win. In the first half of the game, Atletico Club attacked well, as a result of which they were able to score two goals before half time, Fenerbahçe could not equalize the game despite their strong attack. After half time, Atletico Club was able to resist Fenerbahçe's attack more strongly, they had most of the ball possession but they could not score. However, since Atletico Club is currently in great form in the Europa League, they will prepare more strongly for the next matches.

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Quote from: SOKO-DEKE on December 11, 2024, 04:08:51 PM

Quote from: Chilwell on December 11, 2024, 03:14:08 PM

Quote from: ? on December 11, 2024, 12:45:45 PM

The game just happened and Fernebahce lost the game. From the final results we all saw that that 69th minute red card contributed to the final result. Athletic Bilbao has once again proved their mastery of the game over Fernebahce. Let's look forward tomorrow's fixtures.

Fernebahce loss was never a surprise to me because the opponent stands a chance to win the match. Athletic Bilbao have been in their best performance since October 6th, when they faced defeat against Girona. Athletic Bilbao are still maintaining their consistency and that what give me confidence in their victory against Fernebahce. Fernebahce dominated the game but the lacked a lot, they couldn't make use of the chances they got. Fernebahce have one of the greatest coach Mourinho but I think this will be out of hand for him.

Athletic Bilbao is not a weak team, they are a strong team, and with that, I don't think anyone will see the result of Athletic Bilbao defeating Fenerbahce as a surprise. In fact, this was the result I was expecting from the match, as I know Athletic Bilbao is in good form. It was either a win or a draw I was expecting from Athletic Bilbao, despite knowing Fenerbahce was the host of today's match.

The truth is that both teams played well, but Athletic Bilbao has more good attackers than Fenerbahce, and that was the cause of this defeat. Again, it is clear that Athletic Bilbao's defensive line was very active, which is one of the reasons why Fenerbahce didn't have many chances to break through. However, both teams really played up to my expectations, even though Fenerbahce was not able to score any goals.

The game ended 0:2 in favor of Bilbao under Full time game was really a humiliating defeat on the home soil of Mourinho Fenerbahce boys, Athletic Bilbao is a very strong team we know of but Fernebahce have had a incredible improvement since Mourinho moved into manage the club, that Bilbao will have found a very strong opponent team encounter, They did play well, and over power Mourinho boys that they didn't have much opportunity with the ball in the eighteen yard box of their visitors to get a consolation goal.

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Considering both teams are quite strong, I would say a tie would be a likely result in this game. I am not saying that is going to happen for sure, I am just saying I do not see any of them as the clear favourites here, doesn't make sense to call them favourites, both sides look like they are pretty close to each other.

I understand that this may not look like it's a great deal, or something that will take a while, but at the end of the day we are going to end up with a different result without a doubt. There are three possible reasons, of course it is not going to be that easy, but I would say that we are going to have 33% chance for all of them and that is going to be the key here, betting on this is a little harder than usual.

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Fenerbahçe lost 2-0 at home.

I expected the worst draw with A. Bilbao but it didn't happen.

Samet Akaydin made his mistake again and Fenerbahçe fell behind 1-0 because of him.
There is nothing to say to this player because he always makes mistakes like this.
Fenerbahçe's job is really difficult from now on because they will fall to the lower ranks with this defeat. It will be clear tomorrow which place they will fall to.

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Quote from: Inwestour on December 11, 2024, 06:59:59 AM

Quote from: MK-74 on December 11, 2024, 06:19:41 AM

Fenerbahçe will play A. Bilbao tonight, it is a tough opponent for Fenerbahçe, I personally think that the probability of losing points is very high.
I hope Fenerbahçe wins this match and the ranking comes to the top.
Fenerbahçe does not have any important missing players in this match.

Fenerbahce rarely lose at home, so they have a chance to win, but Athletic Bilbao showed in recent games that they are in very good shape, they even managed to beat Real and Villarreal, and these are very strong opponents, and Fenerbahce lost to Besiktas. Therefore, I think that for Athletic Bilbao there is no big difference where to play, at home or away, they will play to win, and it is difficult for me to determine the favorite for this match, I think that these teams have equal chances.

In the sense of "anything could happen in football" we could of course see Bilbao fail to win this game, however in normal case I would say that it's clear Bilbao is a much better team, it wouldn't really be that easy for them to fail this game. I mean this is the team that just beat Real Madrid, so it should be clear that Bilbao has what it takes to beat Fenerbahce without a doubt, because Fenerbahce doesn't stand even a slight chance against a team like Real Madrid, they wouldn't even come close, but Bilbao managed to beat them, so we can easily say who is the better team here.

But obviously football is filled with shocking results, we have seen Real Madrid lose to teams that weren't even in the top 200 rankings before, so Bilbao losing to Fenerbahce isn't unlikely. Sometimes teams have those "moments", like games where they play way more than they should, overachieve, and Mourinho is a master of that as well so Fenerbahce could still shock the world and get a draw or a win here. I sure do hope not though, I already wagered on Bilbao to win in my parlay, so if Bilbao manages to fail that, I would be losing out a good chunk of money, let Fenerbahce win the next game and lose this one please lol.

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Quote from: Weawant on December 11, 2024, 03:50:47 PM

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Exactly, Mourinho is not a magician, and he just have to accept defeat because Bilbao looks stronger and smarter than them. Bilbao was able to win Madrid the last time they met and I don't think that Fenerbahçe will be a problem for them. Nyaki Williams scored the two goals due to his sharpness, and who knows if he will get a hat trick in this match. I didn't expect Fenerbahçe to be struggling to break the deadlock in this match.

Somehow Bilbao do take advantage of the fact that they look average, weak and at same time strong depending on the team they are playing against so they probably understand this and use it at every team they meet, this may sound confusing but my point is they get to use the fact that they may be underestimated by some teams to take advantage and get the best out of the game that was almost what happened with Madrid and so Mourinho who's almost getting past his prime can not get a magic around this team and we all should reduce he expectations on him and get use to the fact that with home we just have to accept the outcome of the game whatever it be.

Jose Mourinho knows too well that he is not a magician but he keeps on signing contracts that makes him look like a magician. That guy is a very smart businessman and that is why he is always compensated in every club that he left. After I watched his last press release where he talks down on the club that he represents, it was then that I decided and understood that he has some interior motive of leaving the club prematurely. He should do his best, but as long as he remains in the business, he will remain one of the bests.

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Quote from: Chilwell on December 11, 2024, 03:14:08 PM

Quote from: ? on December 11, 2024, 12:45:45 PM

The game just happened and Fernebahce lost the game. From the final results we all saw that that 69th minute red card contributed to the final result. Athletic Bilbao has once again proved their mastery of the game over Fernebahce. Let's look forward tomorrow's fixtures.

Fernebahce loss was never a surprise to me because the opponent stands a chance to win the match. Athletic Bilbao have been in their best performance since October 6th, when they faced defeat against Girona. Athletic Bilbao are still maintaining their consistency and that what give me confidence in their victory against Fernebahce. Fernebahce dominated the game but the lacked a lot, they couldn't make use of the chances they got. Fernebahce have one of the greatest coach Mourinho but I think this will be out of hand for him.

Athletic Bilbao is not a weak team, they are a strong team, and with that, I don't think anyone will see the result of Athletic Bilbao defeating Fenerbahce as a surprise. In fact, this was the result I was expecting from the match, as I know Athletic Bilbao is in good form. It was either a win or a draw I was expecting from Athletic Bilbao, despite knowing Fenerbahce was the host of today's match.

The truth is that both teams played well, but Athletic Bilbao has more good attackers than Fenerbahce, and that was the cause of this defeat. Again, it is clear that Athletic Bilbao's defensive line was very active, which is one of the reasons why Fenerbahce didn't have many chances to break through. However, both teams really played up to my expectations, even though Fenerbahce was not able to score any goals.

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Quote from: Weawant on December 11, 2024, 03:50:47 PM

Quote from: Sim_card on December 11, 2024, 11:38:29 AM

Exactly, Mourinho is not a magician, and he just have to accept defeat because Bilbao looks stronger and smarter than them. Bilbao was able to win Madrid the last time they met and I don't think that Fenerbahçe will be a problem for them. Nyaki Williams scored the two goals due to his sharpness, and who knows if he will get a hat trick in this match. I didn't expect Fenerbahçe to be struggling to break the deadlock in this match.

Somehow Bilbao do take advantage of the fact that they look average, weak and at same time strong depending on the team they are playing against so they probably understand this and use it at every team they meet, this may sound confusing but my point is they get to use the fact that they may be underestimated by some teams to take advantage and get the best out of the game that was almost what happened with Madrid and so Mourinho who's almost getting past his prime can not get a magic around this team and we all should reduce he expectations on him and get use to the fact that with home we just have to accept the outcome of the game whatever it be.

Yeah, Bilbao is using the advantage of the team they usually played with so that they will be able to surprise many people that do underestimate them. That is why they are looking strong and smart, which no one can tell what might happen based on their performance; everything can change. Although it is just as you said, we should reduce the expectations we have of them because they can still disappoint, as nothing is sure based on their performance now.

Although they have shown that they will be able to win even against the teams that are stronger than them, as we saw against Real Madrid in a home game, that doesn’t mean they are unstoppable.

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Quote from: Sim_card on December 11, 2024, 11:38:29 AM

Exactly, Mourinho is not a magician, and he just have to accept defeat because Bilbao looks stronger and smarter than them. Bilbao was able to win Madrid the last time they met and I don't think that Fenerbahçe will be a problem for them. Nyaki Williams scored the two goals due to his sharpness, and who knows if he will get a hat trick in this match. I didn't expect Fenerbahçe to be struggling to break the deadlock in this match.

Somehow Bilbao do take advantage of the fact that they look average, weak and at same time strong depending on the team they are playing against so they probably understand this and use it at every team they meet, this may sound confusing but my point is they get to use the fact that they may be underestimated by some teams to take advantage and get the best out of the game that was almost what happened with Madrid and so Mourinho who's almost getting past his prime can not get a magic around this team and we all should reduce he expectations on him and get use to the fact that with home we just have to accept the outcome of the game whatever it be.

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Quote from: ? on December 11, 2024, 12:45:45 PM

The game just happened and Fernebahce lost the game. From the final results we all saw that that 69th minute red card contributed to the final result. Athletic Bilbao has once again proved their mastery of the game over Fernebahce. Let's look forward tomorrow's fixtures.

Fernebahce loss was never a surprise to me because the opponent stands a chance to win the match. Athletic Bilbao have been in their best performance since October 6th, when they faced defeat against Girona. Athletic Bilbao are still maintaining their consistency and that what give me confidence in their victory against Fernebahce. Fernebahce dominated the game but the lacked a lot, they couldn't make use of the chances they got. Fernebahce have one of the greatest coach Mourinho but I think this will be out of hand for him.

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I find it normal that Fenerbahçe lost because Athletic Bilbao are one of the best teams in this league. Mourinho lost with the tactics he normally uses. Athletic Bilbao played the transition game much better. The first goal was a chance for them, the second goal was a legendary shot. The sad thing for Athletic Bilbao was the injury of Nico Williams, I hope it's nothing serious. Inaki Williams was the man of the match. Athletic Bilbao are doing well in La Liga and in the Europa League. Let's see how far they can go.

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The opening match of the 6th Europa League has finished today, Bilbao managed to beat Fenerbahce with a score of 2-0.
In the second match tomorrow we will watch Roma face Braga, the position of the two teams in the current standings is not far apart, as well as the points obtained, but because this match will take place at Roma's home ground I think they can maximize this advantage by securing full points, but Roma must remain vigilant because Braga could give a surprise.

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Quote from: Slow death on December 11, 2024, 01:57:53 PM

Quote from: MK-74 on December 11, 2024, 06:19:41 AM

Fenerbahçe will play A. Bilbao tonight, it is a tough opponent for Fenerbahçe, I personally think that the probability of losing points is very high.
I hope Fenerbahçe wins this match and the ranking comes to the top.
Fenerbahçe does not have any important missing players in this match.

Unfortunately, Fenerbahce lost and it was a game in which Fenerbahce failed to score at least 1 goal, they conceded 2 goals, it seems that this season Mourinho will not be able to achieve anything. In recent years he has been in teams that are a disappointment, teams that do not have a good budget to sign good players, teams that do not have much chance of winning the title and this makes Mourinho's name less important. At least in AS Roma he managed to achieve something, but I very much doubt that he will be able to achieve anything with Fenerbahce. Surprisingly, Bilbao has not been defeated in this competition, maybe they will be able to be champions.

Athletic Bilbao scored at the start of the game and won very comfortably. I think Fenerbahçe's problem is the quality of the squad and they need to accept this for a solution. Players like Mert Müldür and Samet Akaydın should not play in this team. Mourinho may be trying to create a style of play, but with this group of players it is not possible to get full efficiency from any style of play. In this situation, Mourinho doesn't have much to do. I don't understand how Fenerbahçe can expect success with this mixed group of players. Fenerbahçe has been making the same mistake for years. It always fails because of the squad engineering and every game is very difficult.

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Quote from: ? on December 11, 2024, 09:42:29 AM

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I am just joining this forum for the first time since my few days in this platform. I am a lover of football and a fan of good football/teams. Today's match between Fenerbahce and At Bilbao is actually going to be a tough one. However my belief in Morinho's managerial prowess makes me believe he will take the win for the night. Loosing to besiktas in their last game will be the drive to their today's victory together with their home advantage.

The coach factor and the factor of playing at home do not guarantee the team will win, especially Fenerbahce will play against Bilbao, which is currently in second place in the Europa League standings. And also, that Bilbao is a team that competes in the top four also in the La Liga standings so far this season. Thus, I personally believe Bilbao will still be able to win in this match and even if Bilbao fails to win, then a draw is very likely to happen. But yes, however I am personally very confident that Bilbao will win, although maybe only with a thin score such as for example only winning with a one-goal gap, and that still makes Bilbao will get three points despite playing away.

Ok, but...
The coach factor cannot be ruled out completely since great coaches are known by their choices of changes when things get tough in the pitch. Coaches are blamed when teams fail repeatedly not because they play the game, but because players play the coaches way and his decision making affects every area of the game and invariably the final result.

Morinho is known for his turnaround decision making. Even though Bilbao won't be an easy nut to crack, fernebahce should not be ruled out even though they occupy the lower number 15 spot in the europa table.

Home advantage even though not very significant, but the influence of fanbase on players courage is also something you can't undermine.

Did you get the final result? Grin

Indeed, I admit Mourinho is a coach with many achievements but anyway, not always Mourinho will succeed in making a non-seeded team can get great success like Porto in the past. At least, I only consider about the trend they have in this moment or lately although indeed, the fact that Fenerbahce is also very good for the results they have in the domestic league in the Turkish Super League because Fenerbahce is currently in second place there.

But still, if comparing about the level of difficulty of La Liga and the Turkish Super League, then I believe La Liga has a more difficult level of competition. Thus, Bilbao still has better quality and moreover, Bilbao's results so far in the Europa League also show that Bilbao has a good trend at this moment. So, despite playing away, it does not mean that the team will be weak.

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Quote from: MK-74 on December 11, 2024, 06:19:41 AM

Fenerbahçe will play A. Bilbao tonight, it is a tough opponent for Fenerbahçe, I personally think that the probability of losing points is very high.
I hope Fenerbahçe wins this match and the ranking comes to the top.
Fenerbahçe does not have any important missing players in this match.

Unfortunately, Fenerbahce lost and it was a game in which Fenerbahce failed to score at least 1 goal, they conceded 2 goals, it seems that this season Mourinho will not be able to achieve anything. In recent years he has been in teams that are a disappointment, teams that do not have a good budget to sign good players, teams that do not have much chance of winning the title and this makes Mourinho's name less important. At least in AS Roma he managed to achieve something, but I very much doubt that he will be able to achieve anything with Fenerbahce. Surprisingly, Bilbao has not been defeated in this competition, maybe they will be able to be champions.

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