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Quote from: buwaytress on November 30, 2023, 09:26:53 AM

I suppose there really is nothing after Champions League, huh. No mentions anywhere about the ambitions of 2nd-tier teams (including Liverpool?).

At least we know already Barca won't drop down here for a third season running -- but are we perhaps going to welcome Man United? Wouldn't mind it, to be honest, with the way they're playing.

I'm happy to welcome Man Utd to the UEL after their lacklustre run of performance in the UCL this season. Despite going 2 up yesterday, they ended up sharing a point. Now that's the kind of team that should be in the UEL.

Btw, Sevilla is working very hard to get back to the Europa league . They were up on two occasions yesterday against PSV and managed to fold in the later minutes to lose 2-3 at home to PSV.

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Quote from: buwaytress on November 30, 2023, 09:26:53 AM

I suppose there really is nothing after Champions League, huh. No mentions anywhere about the ambitions of 2nd-tier teams (including Liverpool?).

At least we know already Barca won't drop down here for a third season running -- but are we perhaps going to welcome Man United? Wouldn't mind it, to be honest, with the way they're playing.

Barcelona and Manchester United are not the same thing in UCL this season, Barcelona performance is impressive and consistent while Manchester United flops in the general pattern of the game. I'm confident Barcelona pattern of game will not dropped now, atlest the coach and the players have a good thing going this season. There are clubs in UEFA Champions League but they don't belong there due to the strategy and general stats of their performance in league games. Often, I would call it luck because it doesn't stand proper.

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It was about time to have few goals in Europa League but I'm shocked about current score of Freiburg vs Olympiakos because 5-0 is more than harsh for a team like Olympiacos who are not used at all to concede so many goals in just 1 game...because after all we all know Greece teams knows very well how to defend.

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Quote from: buwaytress on November 30, 2023, 09:26:53 AM

I suppose there really is nothing after Champions League, huh. No mentions anywhere about the ambitions of 2nd-tier teams (including Liverpool?).

At least we know already Barca won't drop down here for a third season running -- but are we perhaps going to welcome Man United? Wouldn't mind it, to be honest, with the way they're playing.

Let’s get this qualification stamped tonight. After Klopp revealed the extent of Alisson & Jota injuries it will be interesting to see what happens over the next 2 weeks.
Kelleher would have started tonight any way as we always make wholesale changes for the Europa League but we need him to get up to speed & full of confidence because he’s going to be relied upon until Alisson is back.

I don’t see anything else except a comfortable win for us tonight, no matter who Klopp plays. We are much stronger than LASK, regardless of the fact we will make multiple changes.

Prediction - LFC to score over 3.5 goals

Line up came up and its a good one for Liverpool. I think they will win this easily and like you said they might even score more then four goals if they want to go 100% at this game. A win here would maybe even seal the first place for Liverpool in this group to skip a round in the knockout faze

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Quote from: buwaytress on November 30, 2023, 09:26:53 AM

I suppose there really is nothing after Champions League, huh. No mentions anywhere about the ambitions of 2nd-tier teams (including Liverpool?).

At least we know already Barca won't drop down here for a third season running -- but are we perhaps going to welcome Man United? Wouldn't mind it, to be honest, with the way they're playing.

Most importantly Sevilla don't look like they will be moving on here. Grin

They have to win against Lens in the last match of their Champions League group. It is an away match and they couldn't defeat Lens home before. I don't know if they can do this in a critical time. Actually they were nearly defeating PSV home. But that red card cost them a comeback for PSV from 0-2 to 3-2. Sad

Not seeing Sevilla in the Europa League will feel different for me if that happens. This means we will have a guaranteed different champion this season.

Liverpool, Leverkusen and Roma are the biggest favourites to me. If I bet on one of them to win the title I would prefer Leverkusen or Roma to increase the odds a lot and make it more exciting for me.

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Quote from: buwaytress on November 30, 2023, 09:26:53 AM

I suppose there really is nothing after Champions League, huh. No mentions anywhere about the ambitions of 2nd-tier teams (including Liverpool?).

At least we know already Barca won't drop down here for a third season running -- but are we perhaps going to welcome Man United? Wouldn't mind it, to be honest, with the way they're playing.

Let’s get this qualification stamped tonight. After Klopp revealed the extent of Alisson & Jota injuries it will be interesting to see what happens over the next 2 weeks.
Kelleher would have started tonight any way as we always make wholesale changes for the Europa League but we need him to get up to speed & full of confidence because he’s going to be relied upon until Alisson is back.

I don’t see anything else except a comfortable win for us tonight, no matter who Klopp plays. We are much stronger than LASK, regardless of the fact we will make multiple changes.

Prediction - LFC to score over 3.5 goals

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From early slot, I'm going to tune in Atalanta - Sporting, AEK - Sporting should be interesting too. I have BTTS on both these games. Later Marseille - Ajax looks good on paper, Ajax last weekend had best their game this season, but bookmakakers don't believe in their chances, giving just 1.50 for Marseille.
These teams ruined many my bets this season, but I will give another try - VillarreaL and Roma ML.

Quote from: buwaytress on November 30, 2023, 09:26:53 AM

I suppose there really is nothing after Champions League, huh. No mentions anywhere about the ambitions of 2nd-tier teams (including Liverpool?).

At least we know already Barca won't drop down here for a third season running -- but are we perhaps going to welcome Man United? Wouldn't mind it, to be honest, with the way they're playing.

After Champions league it's difficult to get hyped about Europa league, especially when it's just group stage and your team isn't playing. Not really sure about MU, they're very likely to end last in their group and end their European Campaign in December.

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I suppose there really is nothing after Champions League, huh. No mentions anywhere about the ambitions of 2nd-tier teams (including Liverpool?).

At least we know already Barca won't drop down here for a third season running -- but are we perhaps going to welcome Man United? Wouldn't mind it, to be honest, with the way they're playing.

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Quote from: Popkon6 on November 09, 2023, 08:23:57 PM

Brighton had a very competitive game with Ajax but Ajax missed many attacks. Meanwhile, the Brighton team is very strong and the experienced stars and defenders are strong, due to which Ajax team players attacked but could not break the defenders. Total shot on goal post 8 Ajax team and Brighton team 8 shot on goal post. But the Brighton team was successful in two of these goals and the defenders of the Ajax team could not cover it well, due to which two goals entered the goal post of the Ajax team. And in that Brighton won by 2 goals and one goal was early in the match but the next goal came in a great attack. Shortly after half-time Brighton made it two goals and Brighton went on to win.

Ajax are not really in a good shape at the moment,and they are doing so bad.They have lost most of their games already this season,and are really in the hunt for a good manger who knows how the game works,and also someone who can revive their dieing energy and moral.They still have some good players in that team,but they sold some that were very good,and made them the Ajax that everybody knows, but everything has changed now,the Ajax team that they have now cannot win any big team,that's why Briton are able to win them hands down.
Meanwhile, Briton have not really been in a good form of recent,but it seems they are doing well in the Europa.We all wish they qualify to finals or semi finals of the competition.

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Quote from: buwaytress on November 13, 2023, 03:24:59 PM

^Ajax is a talent factory. They've relied on producing and grooming talent to sell on and make profits while being just good enough to win a historically less competitive league to qualify for UCL, which brings in further revenues.

They'll always be attractive for young players because of that route -- their problems now are club management and scandal, and eventually not having enough good players to keep making the difference. And I said two seasons ago that they actually need to rethink their strategy. You need to retain players and cultivate a little more instead of churning them out, particularly now that their league competitors are getting much better.

P.S. Yes, yes, I'm trying to get over Liverpool. But better to purge the bad results at group stage with second stringers.

Since Erik ten Hag left the team something odd happened to this team. They are having a huge downfall in every tournament they are in now. Even in the Eredivisie they have had serious problems on winning matches so far. The Europa League has almost finished for them as well after losing against Brighton twice in a row.

This team deserve a much better management and we will see if they can find the right person. By the way maybe Erik ten Hag would return to Ajax in case of not being able to improve at Manchester United for a longer time period.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on November 09, 2023, 07:58:34 PM

Expected something more from Ajax as they started showing some positive signs. But even [laying at home they lost without scoring a goal. Roma lost against Slavia, probably not that big surprise and now it's almost clear that both teams will go to the next round. Didn't watched Toulouse - Liverpool game, but it had to be interesting. It already looked that LFC achieved draw3:3 on additional time, but VAR cancelled goal because of handball. Leverkusen remains only team with perfect record after scoring goal on 94th minute against Qarabag.

Ajax has a very good school for young talents, and after they sell a lot of players the team becomes weaker. Apparently this season will not be an easy test for them, and perhaps they should forget about EL in order to focus on the Eredivisie, but even now they have begun to rise from the bottom of the table. I think that they will be able to rise to the Conference League zone, although I don’t know how interesting this might be for them, and reaching the EL playoffs also looks too doubtful. Sometimes this happens with a team that is focused on developing and selling young talented players.

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Quote from: buwaytress on November 13, 2023, 03:24:59 PM

^Ajax is a talent factory. They've relied on producing and grooming talent to sell on and make profits while being just good enough to win a historically less competitive league to qualify for UCL, which brings in further revenues.

They'll always be attractive for young players because of that route -- their problems now are club management and scandal, and eventually not having enough good players to keep making the difference. And I said two seasons ago that they actually need to rethink their strategy. You need to retain players and cultivate a little more instead of churning them out, particularly now that their league competitors are getting much better.

P.S. Yes, yes, I'm trying to get over Liverpool. But better to purge the bad results at group stage with second stringers.

It's true that Ajax Amsterdam offered a relatively easy and quick way for young talents to make it onto the European stages, but now the issues they have could quickly escalate further. As easy as it is to stay at the top of the Eredvisie once you are there, as hard it is to get back there once you lose that position just like they did now. I don't think that if they fail to qualify for anything and then also fail to sign players that can make the difference, that they will be able to compete with PSV anytime soon because they will probably now turn into the number one address for young talents. Because what Ajax is experiencing now isn't just some minor problems that will go away next year.

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^Ajax is a talent factory. They've relied on producing and grooming talent to sell on and make profits while being just good enough to win a historically less competitive league to qualify for UCL, which brings in further revenues.

They'll always be attractive for young players because of that route -- their problems now are club management and scandal, and eventually not having enough good players to keep making the difference. And I said two seasons ago that they actually need to rethink their strategy. You need to retain players and cultivate a little more instead of churning them out, particularly now that their league competitors are getting much better.

P.S. Yes, yes, I'm trying to get over Liverpool. But better to purge the bad results at group stage with second stringers.

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Quote from: Popkon6 on November 09, 2023, 08:23:57 PM

Brighton had a very competitive game with Ajax but Ajax missed many attacks. Meanwhile, the Brighton team is very strong and the experienced stars and defenders are strong, due to which Ajax team players attacked but could not break the defenders. Total shot on goal post 8 Ajax team and Brighton team 8 shot on goal post. But the Brighton team was successful in two of these goals and the defenders of the Ajax team could not cover it well, due to which two goals entered the goal post of the Ajax team. And in that Brighton won by 2 goals and one goal was early in the match but the next goal came in a great attack. Shortly after half-time Brighton made it two goals and Brighton went on to win.

Brighton has really prove that there performance can never be compared with Ajax performance, Brighton has been on a good form sice the early of these season and they have won Ajax the second time now they first meet on October and Brighton won them and they meet again yesterday they also won, so is very obvious that Brighton performance has greatly improve unlike last season when they were having some challenges in performance which draw them back.

However Ajax poor performance these season is never like before because they have played 12 matches and won only 2 matches, the low performance now got me wondered if it was the Ajax I used to know that always plays very.

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Freiburg defeated TSC Backa Topola 5-0 to embraced the victory from their opponent, and to stand on a solid ground to challenge who ever may come their way next match and they are capable to make things happen that will make them to top in this group A, because West Ham united won their match with 1-0 to disgraced Olympiacos that made them to maintain the highest points in the group. It was a surprised match see Liverpool be disgraced in the home of their opponent 3-2 despite their coach used the right players to battle with Toulouse in the Europa league competition but it was a surprised seeing the match ended up in the favour of Toulouse and it make their fans feel Liverpool don't have the skills to end well in this season, because Toulouse don't have potential players like Liverpool we know in the premier league competition. I think, Liverpool coach has a lot of work to do to help the team to maintain good position in this group E because this match has caused fear into the mind of Liverpool fans for this defeat they experienced from Toulouse.

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Liverpool lost their first ever Europa League Group E match against Toulouse. Liverpool were the best and attacked in the match, but they were unlucky not to win in the end. Liverpool lost 3-2, Liverpool's attack and style of play was good, every player attacked brilliantly, but they lost the match. Liverpool dominated the attacking movement and had possession of the ball from start to finish. I think the match against Toulouse may have taken Liverpool's course klopp as a normal team, which is why they lost the match. The match may have been lost due to Mohamed Salah not playing in the match, Liverpool lost with a normal side without the Egyptian star. Although they are still leading the group points, a loss in this match might make Liverpool stronger in the next two games and they will win there.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on November 09, 2023, 10:21:05 PM

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Ajax took two wins in a row in Netherlands, heading out from relegation zone, and now they have to play against Brighton
not to lose odds are bit above @2, and looks tempting since Brighton is far from great form as well

Ajax lost to Brighton with score of 0 - 2 and this means they haven't won single win in 4 matches and only have 2 matches remaining so it will be very impossible for Ajax to qualify for the next round.
Moreover Marseille and Brighton have been top of group B with 8 and 7 points so there is no hope for Ajax to catch up, if today match against Brighton wins they might still be able to catch up and have safe place, but apparently they lost.

Even 4 matches without a win, only managed to draw 2 times and collect 2 points so far, of course, Ajax's chances of getting out of the group are very limited.
Ajax's performance has been very bad this season, they have experienced a significant decline in performance compared to last season, so it is not surprising that Ajax has received a series of bad results in Europa League matches, especially in group B, the Ajax team is in a slightly difficult group with teams of high quality. above them.

Marseille and Brighton both won and if you look at the current standings table, it is very likely that these two teams will qualify from group B.
AEK Athens also still has a real chance, but it's realistic to see that the strength of the Marseille and Brighton teams is much better, so with 2 matches remaining, there is a very big possibility for Marseille and Brighton to qualify.

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Quote from: casperBGD on November 09, 2023, 10:25:08 AM

Ajax took two wins in a row in Netherlands, heading out from relegation zone, and now they have to play against Brighton
not to lose odds are bit above @2, and looks tempting since Brighton is far from great form as well

Ajax lost to Brighton with score of 0 - 2 and this means they haven't won single win in 4 matches and only have 2 matches remaining so it will be very impossible for Ajax to qualify for the next round.
Moreover Marseille and Brighton have been top of group B with 8 and 7 points so there is no hope for Ajax to catch up, if today match against Brighton wins they might still be able to catch up and have safe place, but apparently they lost.

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Leverkusen, Liverpool and Roma are only teams having all wins so far, will they all continue their strikes, all having pretty tough away matches
will be interesting to see what happens

Leverkusen, Liverpool and Roma are quite great teams not only in the Europa League but in the domestic league they also perform very well. We can see the development and consistency of the play of these three teams when a team that was eliminated from the UCL enters this League.

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Brighton had a very competitive game with Ajax but Ajax missed many attacks. Meanwhile, the Brighton team is very strong and the experienced stars and defenders are strong, due to which Ajax team players attacked but could not break the defenders. Total shot on goal post 8 Ajax team and Brighton team 8 shot on goal post. But the Brighton team was successful in two of these goals and the defenders of the Ajax team could not cover it well, due to which two goals entered the goal post of the Ajax team. And in that Brighton won by 2 goals and one goal was early in the match but the next goal came in a great attack. Shortly after half-time Brighton made it two goals and Brighton went on to win.

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Quote from: casperBGD on November 09, 2023, 10:25:08 AM

Ajax took two wins in a row in Netherlands, heading out from relegation zone, and now they have to play against Brighton
not to lose odds are bit above @2, and looks tempting since Brighton is far from great form as well

Leverkusen, Liverpool and Roma are only teams having all wins so far, will they all continue their strikes, all having pretty tough away matches
will be interesting to see what happens

Expected something more from Ajax as they started showing some positive signs. But even [laying at home they lost without scoring a goal. Roma lost against Slavia, probably not that big surprise and now it's almost clear that both teams will go to the next round. Didn't watched Toulouse - Liverpool game, but it had to be interesting. It already looked that LFC achieved draw3:3 on additional time, but VAR cancelled goal because of handball. Leverkusen remains only team with perfect record after scoring goal on 94th minute against Qarabag.

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