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Quote from: slaman29 on October 25, 2024, 03:34:17 AM

Ya I know the numbers don't like but the first half numbers told the truth about the whole game. 9 shots to 2 shots, this is not a United team worthy of anything but the worst records in their club history. 3 games, 3 draws. Only Porto was the point worth saving.

Mourinho said before the match he could win the EPL with this current United team and while I think he's wrong, he's right to say they're talented enough to not be in the bottom half where they are now.

Done with all these Erik ten Hag defending because its high time Manchester United starts winning games. Manchester United could have won that game only if Victor Lindelof had done good defending job when that cross came in honestly. That was poor defending from him otherwise, Manchester United did well they attacked like they should and also should have scored coupled goals. My only disappointment was with Joshua Zirkzee. Too sluggish and has refused to use his energy to contest for duels in the air. Jose Mourinho could do that with thus squad for real. Most of Manchester United players are low in morale and I'm not sure Erik ten Hag is improving that RN.

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Quote from: nelson4lov on October 24, 2024, 06:56:44 PM

Yes, Fenerbahce is a great team actually so it was bound to be a tight game but the fact remains the same — Man Utd should be able to win opponents like Fenerbahce with ease but it just doesn't happen for them. Onana made a couple of great saves otherwise, we would be talking about a loss rather than a draw. I only saw the first half so there's very little I can report and based on the first half alone, both teams played well— just not excellent.

Ya I know the numbers don't like but the first half numbers told the truth about the whole game. 9 shots to 2 shots, this is not a United team worthy of anything but the worst records in their club history. 3 games, 3 draws. Only Porto was the point worth saving.

Mourinho said before the match he could win the EPL with this current United team and while I think he's wrong, he's right to say they're talented enough to not be in the bottom half where they are now.

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The Special One Jose Mourinho is well known for his verbal and non-verbal attacks on match officials. And he couldn't escape this one as he was shown a red card.

It was quite funny honestly. I think his reaction to Onana's save is also meme material. Hopefully, he can bring his team to the knockout stage since it's a shame if we don't get another meme from him.

As for the match, I'm quite surprised by Onana's performance. He made many crucial saves although he conceded a rather easy goal IMO. I can't blame him for that if the defenders don't defend well. I believe both MU and Fenerbache players made terrible decisions in this match. It's not hard to see with a better decision they can counter faster for example. Well, let's see if they can fix that in the future. CMIIW.

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Quote from: Strongkored on October 24, 2024, 06:29:14 PM

The result of the Fenerbahçe vs Man United match was in line with my prediction in one of the pools. Man United can score goals but it will be difficult to maintain the lead because they do not have a player who can be a leader on the field, everyone plays only according to their wishes and Ten Haag cannot fix that because by only getting three points from three matches shows how weak his team is, so don't trust Man United to win in your bet before they make changes in many lines.

Manchester United have failed again to grabbed a winning in the europa league game and this is really dissapointing for an elite English team like the Red Devils. Erik Ten Hag should have good thing going on there because there are more pressing motions and we know exactly how these clubs works. However Fenerbahçe is no average club, they're in good shape and Jose Mourinho happens to be incharge of the Turkish side, he wouldn't allow any room for relenting results, a draw points was all they need to step up to the top phase.

Someone should tell Erik Ten Hag that his best is not good enough for the current condition of the team, no time for more humiliating results if you ask me. There's definitely huge difference and we know how that do play down for the club. The Red Devils boss, Erik Ten Hag just have to worked entirely on another new formation and strategy, because the club needs instant fixing and that's probably weigh too much for the pressing atmosphere for them. Well, they hoped to bounce back to impressive form in next games, we should simply keep all hope alive for the Manchester United.

In my opinion, currently the Red Devils are no longer an elite club, because looking at some of their matches, the results are clearly very disappointing. The reason is, let alone in European competitions, in domestic competitions alone, the Red Devils cannot prove that they are an elite club. Even in several matches the Red Devils had to end in defeat or a draw in a match that they should have won.

As for the draw against Fenerbahce, I think MU should be satisfied with the results of the match, this is a good result... because usually the Red Devils are always beyond expectations.

And speaking of Erik Ten Hag, I think it's time for Ten Hag to leave the Manchester United coaching chair, because during his coaching period, MU did not experience significant development or improvement, with Erik Ten Hag in a period of approximately 2 years, MU was only able to win one FA Cup trophy, and this is a less than good result. Because for a club as big as MU, they should be competing in the Champions League, not in the Europa League. That is if the Red Devils are indeed an elite English club

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Quote from: nelson4lov on October 24, 2024, 06:56:44 PM

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Honestly I also had low expectation but when Manchester United managed to score their first goal I thought that they will find a way to seal it, but it is unfortunate that we are unable to do it.
In the other hand, Fenerbahce is not just an average team because they had quality players in their team. In their midfield we had Manchester United Amrabat and Fred and also I saw English Premier League Saint-Maximan coupled with experienced Jose Mourinho as the coach.
It was an interesting match though, but I expected that Manchester United will do better than they did but it's unfortunate.

Yes, Fenerbahce is a great team actually so it was bound to be a tight game but the fact remains the same — Man Utd should be able to win opponents like Fenerbahce with ease but it just doesn't happen for them. Onana made a couple of great saves otherwise, we would be talking about a loss rather than a draw. I only saw the first half so there's very little I can report and based on the first half alone, both teams played well— just not excellent.

I would not say with ease because Turkish teams in their home stadiums can be tough to beat. It's the audience and the whole setup that makes it special in some way. But in general I agree that Manchester United should win far more games than they are currently winning. That is not what they are supposed to be doing at the moment and yes, Fenerbahce should be beatable for them and if not, then they should at least be more determined and dominate the game.

I am not a fan of Zirkzee at all. I think he doesn't qualify for a Premier League top club. 12 games 1 goal 1 assist and he is still allowed to be a starter. That doesn't make sense to me and it's embarrassing to see a club like Manchester United play with a center forward like him when the club is known for having had some of the best strikers in the world in the past.

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Quote from: KingsDen on October 24, 2024, 06:02:23 PM

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Honestly I also had low expectation but when Manchester United managed to score their first goal I thought that they will find a way to seal it, but it is unfortunate that we are unable to do it.
In the other hand, Fenerbahce is not just an average team because they had quality players in their team. In their midfield we had Manchester United Amrabat and Fred and also I saw English Premier League Saint-Maximan coupled with experienced Jose Mourinho as the coach.
It was an interesting match though, but I expected that Manchester United will do better than they did but it's unfortunate.

Yes, Fenerbahce is a great team actually so it was bound to be a tight game but the fact remains the same — Man Utd should be able to win opponents like Fenerbahce with ease but it just doesn't happen for them. Onana made a couple of great saves otherwise, we would be talking about a loss rather than a draw. I only saw the first half so there's very little I can report and based on the first half alone, both teams played well— just not excellent.

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The result of the Fenerbahçe vs Man United match was in line with my prediction in one of the pools. Man United can score goals but it will be difficult to maintain the lead because they do not have a player who can be a leader on the field, everyone plays only according to their wishes and Ten Haag cannot fix that because by only getting three points from three matches shows how weak his team is, so don't trust Man United to win in your bet before they make changes in many lines.

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Quote from: KingsDen on October 24, 2024, 06:02:23 PM

Honestly I also had low expectation but when Manchester United managed to score their first goal I thought that they will find a way to seal it, but it is unfortunate that we are unable to do it.
In the other hand, Fenerbahce is not just an average team because they had quality players in their team. In their midfield we had Manchester United Amrabat and Fred and also I saw English Premier League Saint-Maximan coupled with experienced Jose Mourinho as the coach.
It was an interesting match though, but I expected that Manchester United will do better than they did but it's unfortunate.

Personally I knew it was not going to be an easy game for them considering even the relationship between the players and the the club all together. On the other hand as rightly said this game wasn’t supposed to be a huge disappointment because it is a big game away from home which will make it difficult more difficult just like the game against Porto too which carries almost same weight as this one took the only game in this competition that had actually got me furious is the game against Tweenty which was also an home game. I think this was actually the game drawn that Manchester United fans needs to actually be furious about. Overall they are actually getting better but the problem that they need to actually concede in every game after taking the lead needs to stop. With five more games left with the most been home matches I believe the top 8 still within their grasp at the moment

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on October 24, 2024, 05:18:58 PM

Manchester United coach will be very happy with this result because the Red Devils wasn't aiming at anything in that game against Fenerbahce and I was surprised when I saw how Fenerbahce was dominating the game without minding if it's Man UTD or not[...]

first of all, the red devils weren't aiming at anything?? A club that has always been in the premier league all year round wasn't aiming at a win against a club from the Turkish league? That's quite hilarious!
Secondly, this is Europa league and there are chances that such a thing like fener pushing really hard and banging goals in United's net like a hot ball of gas is being hauled into the sea -- is quite possible..

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this is why I have been saying that UTD don't have what it takes to make their opponents feel that pressure before the kick off of the game. They have lost it and I think this is the time they need to rebuild the team but not with this manager Erik ten Heg, he has failed completely and from how I see it he is tired of the poor performance of the club.

I'm shocked that united sits on the column 21 in the Europa league table... Erik has really failed the club and, this is the least of what the admins expected, even with his presumed experience/potentials in ajax and other clubs he's managed before now.

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It is already so disappointing that Manchester United can't defeat fenerbache. This was always going to be a heated contest especially with Mourinho and we saw that as he got a red card in the contest. I think it's more than enough and Manchester United needs to cut ties with ETH he always talks too much in the press but has nothing to offer when the kickoff whistle is blown. There is still time for one team to win but I don't think that would happen.

You're forgetting that Fenerbahce isn't just any regular Turkish team. Let's not forget that it's this same Man Utd team that couldn't defeat Twente FC. My expectations for that Man Utd game vs Fenerbahce were quite low and I'm not bothered that they couldn't do better than my expectations. ETH had been given an ample amount of time and I do think that it's time we start facing the facts rather than continue clinging onto hope.

ETH might just not be the guy.

Honestly I also had low expectation but when Manchester United managed to score their first goal I thought that they will find a way to seal it, but it is unfortunate that we are unable to do it.
In the other hand, Fenerbahce is not just an average team because they had quality players in their team. In their midfield we had Manchester United Amrabat and Fred and also I saw English Premier League Saint-Maximan coupled with experienced Jose Mourinho as the coach.
It was an interesting match though, but I expected that Manchester United will do better than they did but it's unfortunate.

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Quote from: BIT-BENDER on October 24, 2024, 03:57:03 PM

It is already so disappointing that Manchester United can't defeat fenerbache. This was always going to be a heated contest especially with Mourinho and we saw that as he got a red card in the contest. I think it's more than enough and Manchester United needs to cut ties with ETH he always talks too much in the press but has nothing to offer when the kickoff whistle is blown. There is still time for one team to win but I don't think that would happen.

You're forgetting that Fenerbahce isn't just any regular Turkish team. Let's not forget that it's this same Man Utd team that couldn't defeat Twente FC. My expectations for that Man Utd game vs Fenerbahce were quite low and I'm not bothered that they couldn't do better than my expectations. ETH had been given an ample amount of time and I do think that it's time we start facing the facts rather than continue clinging onto hope.

ETH might just not be the guy.

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Manchester United coach will be very happy with this result because the Red Devils wasn't aiming at anything in that game against Fenerbahce and I was surprised when I saw how Fenerbahce was dominating the game without minding if it's Man UTD or not, this is why I have been saying that UTD don't have what it takes to make their opponents feel that pressure before the kick off of the game. They have lost it and I think this is the time they need to rebuild the team but not with this manager Erik ten Heg, he has failed completely and from how I see it he is tired of the poor performance of the club. If not for Onana UTD would have lost the game and the defense isn't good enough to protect the goalkeeper.
Last time they played it ended up in a draw and now same outcome, so does it mean that Man UTD can get up to 3 straight win? The club doesn't have a structure from how they are performing since this new campaign and before this year runs out only God knows the position UTD will be occupying.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on October 24, 2024, 03:52:26 PM

Man, after Champions league it's really hard to get excited about Europa league, not even talking about Conference league. And all these low scoring games is burning my bets.
We don'yt have many upsets tonight. I watched how Eintrach struggled against RFS and won just 1:0, before the game I expected that result will be big.
Draw between Fenerbahche and MU probably isn't surprising. And fact that Mourunho got red card Cheesy

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Probably biggest upset is Besiktas away win vs Lyon.

The UEFA champions league has more quality than other European competition IMO. Though, I believe most of us might want to look out for a particular club in the Europa league even though we don't follow up with most of the games, but the club of my interest has been very poor even before the start of the competition. I'm talking about Manchester united. Just imagine getting 3 points from 3 games, and the 3 out of the 4 teams that they will be facing next are currently above them, so is there even any chance that they will make it to the next round?, Because it seems I'm literally wasting my Thursday night on them.

The Lyon result was shocking as well, but I was happy that Tottenham got all 3 points. They've been having a better Europa league result, unlike united. Congrats to those that won, and a better luck to the others that loss.

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Quote from: BIT-BENDER on October 24, 2024, 03:57:03 PM

It is already so disappointing that Manchester United can't defeat fenerbache. This was always going to be a heated contest especially with Mourinho and we saw that as he got a red card in the contest. I think it's more than enough and Manchester United needs to cut ties with ETH he always talks too much in the press but has nothing to offer when the kickoff whistle is blown. There is still time for one team to win but I don't think that would happen.

I don’t know why some fans and the Manchester United management are still trusting Ten Hag’s promises and process for Manchester United because he is totally confused in my opinion.
Another draw again in the Europa League; which shows that Manchester United earn just three points in their first three matches in the Europa League so far this season, Manchester United’s chance of qualifying to the round of 16 is still love, but if they up keep with such performance, they will not qualify because they are currently at 21st position which is bad for big team like Manchester United that’s supposed to be dragging the top of the Europa League table with the likes of Tottenham and others.
However, Manchester is a big team and can do better maybe in their next Europa League games to secure their ticket in the round of 16 draws.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on October 24, 2024, 03:52:26 PM

We don'yt have many upsets tonight. I watched how Eintrach struggled against RFS and won just 1:0, before the game I expected that result will be big.
Draw between Fenerbahche and MU probably isn't surprising. And fact that Mourunho got red card Cheesy

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Probably biggest upset is Besiktas away win vs Lyon.

Really needed United to lose. Draws seldom help me in anything, not in betting, not in predictions, not in BSFL. The team that disappoints finds even more ways to disappoint me, it seems. Worst is, ETH won't be worried. 13 points should guarantee playoffs... that's just 3 wins and a draw from their remaining 5 fixtures: PAOK, Bodoe, Plzen, Rangers, FCSB. Nothing to worry about, seems easy enough heh heh

I was also tempted with RFS (16/1) but I just thought no way they win -- a draw at 6/1 wasn't good enough for me to sniff at.

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It is already so disappointing that Manchester United can't defeat fenerbache. This was always going to be a heated contest especially with Mourinho and we saw that as he got a red card in the contest. I think it's more than enough and Manchester United needs to cut ties with ETH he always talks too much in the press but has nothing to offer when the kickoff whistle is blown. There is still time for one team to win but I don't think that would happen.

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Man, after Champions league it's really hard to get excited about Europa league, not even talking about Conference league. And all these low scoring games is burning my bets.
We don'yt have many upsets tonight. I watched how Eintrach struggled against RFS and won just 1:0, before the game I expected that result will be big.
Draw between Fenerbahche and MU probably isn't surprising. And fact that Mourunho got red card Cheesy

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Probably biggest upset is Besiktas away win vs Lyon.

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Quote from: buwaytress on October 23, 2024, 01:05:51 PM

But all we care about is tomorrow, right? Fener's stuttering in their bid to win the league, can Mou smash United and consign them to the bottom third of the league?

I've been out of town for a while, and since I returned home, I've been sick; otherwise, I really wanted to go to this game. I think Fenerbahçe can win against Manchester United with the support of their fans, but I'm worried because we've been playing quite poorly this season since Mourinho came. Also Jayden Oosterwolde's injury, which means he won’t be able to play for the rest of the season, makes things even worse. On the other hand, Bruno Fernandes not playing for Manchester United is a big advantage for us.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on October 23, 2024, 02:18:29 PM

After Galatasaray closed the first half 3-0 ahead against Elfsborg everyone thought the game was over. But Elfsborg didn't give up and brought it to 3-2.They found some chances also. But Galatasaray raised their points to 7 by winning 4-3 with the help of their squad quality.Galatasaray definitely need to improve their defense. I think Galatasaray will still finish the league phase of the new format in top 8 and qualify for last 16.

I actually love the determination that Elfsborg showed in that match because it takes a determine team to come from 3:0 down to make it 3:2. At the same time, I will say that Galatasaray seem to have relaxed after they got their goals and that is not good for a team that wants to win the trophy and a team that people have high expectations in following the amount of money they spent bring new players. Nevertheless, all that matters is a win which they got despite the stubbornness of the Swedish side. When they get to the next stage, I expect them to do better because there they will meet stronger side.

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After Galatasaray closed the first half 3-0 ahead against Elfsborg everyone thought the game was over. But Elfsborg didn't give up and brought it to 3-2.They found some chances also. But Galatasaray raised their points to 7 by winning 4-3 with the help of their squad quality.Galatasaray definitely need to improve their defense. I think Galatasaray will still finish the league phase of the new format in top 8 and qualify for last 16.

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