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Quote from: hahay on January 12, 2022, 12:23:32 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on January 12, 2022, 12:09:25 PM

I also hope for an interesting game, but I have a presentiment that we will actually see the old scenario: Napoli in a massive defense, Barcelona makes a million stupid passes across the field and during counter attacks conceded balls. I would be glad to be wrong, but this scenario is very likely. However, if you evaluate the match from the point of view of betting, then it will be good - a bet on Napoli looks profitable.

I personally am not so sure about Napoli because their declining performance looks like it will make the game more even and also, I believe it looks like Napoli will take the lead in ball possession or at least apply aggressive play. The current Barcelona is still not strong enough to be able to lead in ball possession because the current Barcelona squad is different from the Barcelona of the past, Xavi still needs time to make Barcelona like that and certainly will not be able to do it quickly when the situation is unstable.

After today's game Barcelona - Real, I'm not sure either Grin

Although in fact, if you look objectively, even today Barcelona showed that they have a disgusting defense and a weak attack, Real relaxed too early and had to play an additional 30 minutes because of this. I think Napoli will be more focused when playing against Barcelona.

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Quote from: KTChampions on January 12, 2022, 12:09:25 PM

Quote from: Juggy777 on January 12, 2022, 03:15:11 AM

@coderben indeed Barcelona hasn’t really kicked off to a flying start under Xavi, but to be honest he needs more time and backing in the transfer window to turn Barcelona back into champions. Lastly Napoli should win their fixtures against Barcelona, but I hope Barcelona will give some fight at least to make these fixtures more interesting to watch.

I also hope for an interesting game, but I have a presentiment that we will actually see the old scenario: Napoli in a massive defense, Barcelona makes a million stupid passes across the field and during counter attacks conceded balls. I would be glad to be wrong, but this scenario is very likely. However, if you evaluate the match from the point of view of betting, then it will be good - a bet on Napoli looks profitable.

I personally am not so sure about Napoli because their declining performance looks like it will make the game more even and also, I believe it looks like Napoli will take the lead in ball possession or at least apply aggressive play. The current Barcelona is still not strong enough to be able to lead in ball possession because the current Barcelona squad is different from the Barcelona of the past, Xavi still needs time to make Barcelona like that and certainly will not be able to do it quickly when the situation is unstable.

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Quote from: poldanmig on January 11, 2022, 10:30:15 AM

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The chances of Napoli winning should not be underestimated either. If they can beat Barcelona, they can become champions.

All teams do have a chance to win the european league including Barcelona and Napoli, Barcelona is indeed a team that european clubs feared before, but not for now, so Napoli must believe that now there is nothing to fear from Barcelona, because Barcelona are in a phase drastic decline in performance, I think for now Napoli are still better than Barcelona so their chances of going to the next round are bigger than Barcelona.

I agree with what you say because that's what scares them right now.
their current performance is very, very inversely proportional to their performance a few years ago and indeed barcelona at this time is still not in a good consistency and even their current performance still tends to be monotonous I think.
Regarding the match against Napoli, I still have a lot of hope to be able to win the match, I think.
at least the bet will be even

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Quote from: Juggy777 on January 12, 2022, 03:15:11 AM

@coderben indeed Barcelona hasn’t really kicked off to a flying start under Xavi, but to be honest he needs more time and backing in the transfer window to turn Barcelona back into champions. Lastly Napoli should win their fixtures against Barcelona, but I hope Barcelona will give some fight at least to make these fixtures more interesting to watch.

I also hope for an interesting game, but I have a presentiment that we will actually see the old scenario: Napoli in a massive defense, Barcelona makes a million stupid passes across the field and during counter attacks conceded balls. I would be glad to be wrong, but this scenario is very likely. However, if you evaluate the match from the point of view of betting, then it will be good - a bet on Napoli looks profitable.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on January 12, 2022, 03:15:11 AM

Lastly Napoli should win their fixtures against Barcelona, but I hope Barcelona will give some fight at least to make these fixtures more interesting to watch.

They fight must give. Now, I believe that Barcelona's focus should not be on this competition, but on trying to improve its classification in the Spanish league.

But, of course, they won't make life easier for Napoli. I believe Napoli can win, but it won't be easy.

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Quote from: coderben on January 11, 2022, 05:24:24 PM

The matchups in the next stage are closing in. And I have still not changed my opinion about the Barcelona - Napoli matchup. I still think that Barcelona don't have much chance against Napoli. They are newly trying to get better day by day. But I still don't see their performance good enough to beat big teams. Napoli are much better than them now considering their performances in the Serie A. They started to pull themselves together. If it goes on like this, I think that Napoli won't have a so big difficulty in eliminating them.

@coderben indeed Barcelona hasn’t really kicked off to a flying start under Xavi, but to be honest he needs more time and backing in the transfer window to turn Barcelona back into champions. Lastly Napoli should win their fixtures against Barcelona, but I hope Barcelona will give some fight at least to make these fixtures more interesting to watch.

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The matchups in the next stage are closing in. And I have still not changed my opinion about the Barcelona - Napoli matchup. I still think that Barcelona don't have much chance against Napoli. They are newly trying to get better day by day. But I still don't see their performance good enough to beat big teams. Napoli are much better than them now considering their performances in the Serie A. They started to pull themselves together. If it goes on like this, I think that Napoli won't have a so big difficulty in eliminating them.

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Quote from: RaltcoinsB on January 11, 2022, 10:20:20 AM

The chances of Napoli winning should not be underestimated either. If they can beat Barcelona, they can become champions.

All teams do have a chance to win the european league including Barcelona and Napoli, Barcelona is indeed a team that european clubs feared before, but not for now, so Napoli must believe that now there is nothing to fear from Barcelona, because Barcelona are in a phase drastic decline in performance, I think for now Napoli are still better than Barcelona so their chances of going to the next round are bigger than Barcelona.

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Quote from: bering on January 11, 2022, 10:10:02 AM

According to the statistics during participating for Europa competition currently Dortmund has became the most favourite to won Europa league this season and for the second favourite belongs to Barcelona and other teams such as Napoli, Sevilla and Porto but as this only the predictions so it can be missed moreover very often to see on Europa league there was favourite teams lost against mediocre teams

The chances of Napoli winning should not be underestimated either. If they can beat Barcelona, they can become champions. I really like the game Napoli played. There is no team they cannot beat in the UEFA Europa League with a full squad. They have the strength to beat any team, including Barcelona, Sevilla, Borussia Dortmund. This may be the year of Napoli. Still, the other candidates are very strong, of course.

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According to the statistics during participating for Europa competition currently Dortmund has became the most favourite to won Europa league this season and for the second favourite belongs to Barcelona and other teams such as Napoli, Sevilla and Porto but as this only the predictions so it can be missed moreover very often to see on Europa league there was favourite teams lost against mediocre teams

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Quote from: KTChampions on December 21, 2021, 12:33:49 PM

The transfers of good players are just potential opportunities (we don't know if they will take place). While the real situation now is this: Napoli played excellently at the beginning of this season and is only now experiencing a failure. Barcelona has been playing poorly all season and Xavi hasn't changed anything. I see that the bookmakers quote Barcelona's odds higher than Napoli, but most likely because of the "name", and not because of the real balance of power:
UEFA Europa League 2021/22 - FC Barcelona reach Round of 16?
Yes 1,69
No 2,05

I agree with that Barcelona's name making an impact of the odds and not the real power of their football. They are really not doing so good this year. Europa League is of course different but in La Liga they only managed to get 8 wins out of 20 games this season. And I would expect they will not go too far on the Europa League as well. They are just not the old Barcelona, although the reputation is still there. Therefore the odds, I think.

The fact that the bookmakers are based on the opinion of the crowd, and the crowd believes in the names very well in fact. For example, I see no reason why a bet on Barcelona's rivals (in this case Napoli) would not be profitable. I understand that the result can be anything, but if you take the distance, then Napoli is clearly underestimated in this pair.

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Quote from: baeva on January 10, 2022, 05:09:34 PM

I didn't say porto was unstable, I said I don't see them as a contender, I don't think they will make it to 1/2 - 1/4,

Knowing Porto well, it will depend a lot on the opponents you pick up. I don't see them as candidates for the title either, but I wouldn't be surprised if they reached the semi-finals.

Then Porto has to be very attentive to the national championship, as it may seem that they have some advantage, but 2 less good games are enough to be quickly achieved.

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Quote from: mv1986 on January 09, 2022, 07:20:22 PM

You would agree that Porto is unstable? 15 wins, 2 draws and 0 defeats in the league with 44 - 11 goals. Erm, that doesn't exactly look like the stats of an unstable team to me. I would say they are definitely among the short list of candidates that count as favorites. They are also still in the Taco de Portugal in the quarter final. From that perspective, you could also argue that Dortmund is unstable. Look what they did during the CL group stage... That is what I would call unstable.

I didn't say porto was unstable, I said I don't see them as a contender, I don't think they will make it to 1/2 - 1/4, although who knows, then again - anything can happen. Despite playing so well in the league they could be weaker than the same barcelona in their current form, Sevilla, who are fit and playing well and could be a good opponent to anyone at all.But, I don't see porta among them all

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Quote from: püsür on January 10, 2022, 08:26:11 AM

I agree with that Barcelona's name making an impact of the odds and not the real power of their football. They are really not doing so good this year. Europa League is of course different but in La Liga they only managed to get 8 wins out of 20 games this season. And I would expect they will not go too far on the Europa League as well. They are just not the old Barcelona, although the reputation is still there. Therefore the odds, I think.

and yes they have been made more of a joke for their form this season than a compliment, because it is as you say. Barcelona era with their tiki taka seems to still exist but not as complex as it used to be which is still feared.
they are currently in good possession of the ball but their lack of a leader and control of attack makes them lose their way.

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Quote from: blue Snow on January 10, 2022, 01:26:35 AM

I feel sorry, I don't watch the statistic. Damn, 17 games, with that record Porto was created good achievements, I believe they will get the title Primeira League from Sporting CP. but, I don't know what happens in the champions league?. they lose 3 games until degradation to UEFA Europa League. seems like they don't have to focus on that, maybe at this time, they have to share that achievement on Europa League also, even though the other club has the big progress for that league also.

Although they are well on their way to the national championship, it's still too early to say that Porto will be champions. Sporting had the same record, until the last round.

Since the season is halfway through and Porto and Sporting will still have to play against each other, again. The Portuguese championship is still open.

Sporting is still in the Champions League, and Porto has more chances to go far in the Europa League.

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Quote from: KTChampions on December 21, 2021, 12:33:49 PM

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Quote from: KTChampions on December 20, 2021, 07:51:21 AM

I hope that Napoli really came out of the crisis, but it's too early to say about it - they won only one serious match after a long unsuccessful streak. But in any case, this meeting will take place only in mid-February - by that time a lot may have changed, but I suppose that both clubs will rather be busy with business inside the home championships and will not focus on the Europa League.

In this pair I believe more in going further Barcelona provided they have a couple of good transfers. Barcelona is able to add in the course of the season as they have a good coach Xavi whose handwriting is still very poorly visible since there are no worthy players for his game.
Napoli is now fighting for the championship and if such a fight will continue until the match with Barça then I don't think that priority will be given to this match.

The transfers of good players are just potential opportunities (we don't know if they will take place). While the real situation now is this: Napoli played excellently at the beginning of this season and is only now experiencing a failure. Barcelona has been playing poorly all season and Xavi hasn't changed anything. I see that the bookmakers quote Barcelona's odds higher than Napoli, but most likely because of the "name", and not because of the real balance of power:
UEFA Europa League 2021/22 - FC Barcelona reach Round of 16?
Yes 1,69
No 2,05

I agree with that Barcelona's name making an impact of the odds and not the real power of their football. They are really not doing so good this year. Europa League is of course different but in La Liga they only managed to get 8 wins out of 20 games this season. And I would expect they will not go too far on the Europa League as well. They are just not the old Barcelona, although the reputation is still there. Therefore the odds, I think.

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Quote from: VanityWallets2015 on January 09, 2022, 03:55:08 PM

I don't think Barcelona is even the favorite to win. They will be motivated to at least win something this season. The Europe League is a good opportunity to give the season a little more shine. And if they win the Europa League, they will automatically play the Champions League next season. But many strong teams remaining in the Europa League.

What kind of victory are you talking about? Barcelona cannot even beat teams like Granada as seen from yesterday's match. If the team is weak then no amount of motivation will help, especially considering that the enemy also has motivation, especially against teams with a name like Barcelona.

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Quote from: mv1986 on January 09, 2022, 07:20:22 PM

You would agree that Porto is unstable? 15 wins, 2 draws and 0 defeats in the league with 44 - 11 goals. Erm, that doesn't exactly look like the stats of an unstable team to me. I would say they are definitely among the short list of candidates that count as favorites. They are also still in the Taco de Portugal in the quarter final. From that perspective, you could also argue that Dortmund is unstable. Look what they did during the CL group stage... That is what I would call unstable.

I feel sorry, I don't watch the statistic. Damn, 17 games, with that record Porto was created good achievements, I believe they will get the title Primeira League from Sporting CP. but, I don't know what happens in the champions league?. they lose 3 games until degradation to UEFA Europa League. seems like they don't have to focus on that, maybe at this time, they have to share that achievement on Europa League also, even though the other club has the big progress for that league also.

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Quote from: mv1986 on January 09, 2022, 04:18:47 PM

Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on January 09, 2022, 03:51:39 PM

Barcelona are really having a financial crisis for now and their condition in the La Liga standings is also not very good. I know that they have signed Ferran Torres from City even though they have a high amount of debt. And I don't know how they are allowed to sign a player for that much in this condition too. Grin

The most critical thing for Barcelona at this point is to improve their performance. They need to get better every single week until their matchup against Napoli. Or they are likely to say goodbye to this tournament.

Yes I just read the number again, they have $1.35 billion in outstanding debt I think. A lot of things will depend on the Corona development. If they have a full stadium on a bi-weekly basis, that helps a lot given the capacity is around 100.000.
I really wonder though how the fans will react to their bad performances. A full stadium has been a given for a very long time in Barcelona, but what if they even miss the CL? That looks a lot like a downward spiral now from so many perspectives.

It would be a big disaster for Barcelona's financial condition if the club could not participate in the next Champions League draw, because all these expenses also take into account the income from the upcoming participation in the tournament. For example, I know that when the club adopted an anti-crisis plan in the summer, it was taken into account that the club would be able to overcome the group stage of the Champions League and reach the playoffs, but none of this is known to have happened. Fortunately, Barcelona is now in the Europa League, but the income in the Europa League is several times less and there are absolutely no zero chances to leave the tournament immediately, having failed to earn there as well.

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Quote from: baeva on January 09, 2022, 06:19:58 PM

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Quote from: joker_josue on January 07, 2022, 08:50:37 PM

Honestly, I see teams with better chances of winning the trophy than West Ham or Barcelona.
I believe that a Leverkusen, Lyon, Dortmund, Leipzig or Porto, have more chances of reaching the final.

Apart from Leipzig from your list I don't see any other contenders, the others are too weak for the final and unlikely to make it, well among the whole list then you can also single out Borussia and that's it. Let's see who makes it to the final, if someone from your list makes it to the final it will be cool, surprises in the league are always nice

Agree with you, the list of Lyon, Leipzig, and Porto, I doubt those teams will available to the final, even though all those teams from the Champions League because they as unstable team have going on to 2nd league. when I look at 2020, that possible the final is a team that in real as a participant the Europa League, and another one is from the ex-champion league (Villareal is champion I Group). Leverkusen and west ham is the team who has the advantage to next final, maybe vs Dortmund or the team from Serie A.

If you reason, Borussia have a chance of getting to the final. barcelona? Well they are more likely to fight for the europa league so as not to embarrass themselves even more, for when was the last time barcelona were in the europa league, they were also knocked out of it? Napoli... I don't know, it will be decided in 1/16, either Barça or Napoli. So it's like this... Basically, I agree with you.

You would agree that Porto is unstable? 15 wins, 2 draws and 0 defeats in the league with 44 - 11 goals. Erm, that doesn't exactly look like the stats of an unstable team to me. I would say they are definitely among the short list of candidates that count as favorites. They are also still in the Taco de Portugal in the quarter final. From that perspective, you could also argue that Dortmund is unstable. Look what they did during the CL group stage... That is what I would call unstable.

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