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I don't think those fake videos are any different than the fake advertisements you see on TV or the internet when casinos and bet shops are being advertised. The image they are trying to convey is one of success, wealth, and class. Businessmen in suits drinking martinis and champagne as they are surrounded with beautiful women who cheer with them in their victories. When I enter a betting shop in my region, all I see are dark rooms filled with cigarette smoke, middle aged men cursing and swearing because they were so close to a win.

The difference is, when you watch a casino advertisement, you know it is a casino promotional video. As for streamers, they pretend to be real players who play for real money and win real money. However, the truth is quite different, and the people who watch it don't know it and think that winning at the casino is so easy. When they try themselves, the reality turns out to be very brutal in most cases.

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Quote from: ChrisPop on January 09, 2022, 11:37:12 AM

I think regulations should require each casino, be it online or offline, to display a disclaimer that clearly specifies that winning over a large number of iterations is not probabilistically feasible.
If you ask the regular gambler, I assure you that he doesn't understand how the game is designed against him. He does not see gambling as a way of entertainment, but of a land of hope for his biggest financial dreams. That's wrong and immoral, I agree. A minimum solution I can think of right now would be a short quiz that each user needs to complete.

I agree with you, but it's not about the casino directly (although it should). The point is that what streamers do should be regulated by law. In some countries, advertising of gambling is prohibited at all. In this case, there is even no information that it is an advertisement. Those who watch it think it's a real game, which is already completely unethical.

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I think regulations should require each casino, be it online or offline, to display a disclaimer that clearly specifies that winning over a large number of iterations is not probabilistically feasible.
If you ask the regular gambler, I assure you that he doesn't understand how the game is designed against him. He does not see gambling as a way of entertainment, but of a land of hope for his biggest financial dreams. That's wrong and immoral, I agree. A minimum solution I can think of right now would be a short quiz that each user needs to complete.

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Quote from: sovie on January 09, 2022, 10:49:31 AM

Yes, it's about exactly such videos and additionaly streams. But this thread is about the fact that it is unethical that a lot of people, and above all young users, do not know that this game is fake and the money is not real. Inexperienced young players think that they can easily win big money, and when they try to practice, they lose it.

This is understandable because most of them are still a young group and even tend to children who have not been able to think broadly so that they are so innocent and believe that this is real.
but on the other hand it's actually not only them but there are some people who already know that it is something fake but with their love they don't want to admit and still deny that this is fake.

If an adult refuses to believe that this is a fake, it means that he should not be in control of his finances at all, because it is certain that he will lose everything very quickly. But there isn't much that can be done about this. The worst thing is that these streams most often reach very young people, and even children who can easily believe that the money they play on video is real.

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Quote from: sovie on January 09, 2022, 10:49:31 AM

Yes, it's about exactly such videos and additionaly streams. But this thread is about the fact that it is unethical that a lot of people, and above all young users, do not know that this game is fake and the money is not real. Inexperienced young players think that they can easily win big money, and when they try to practice, they lose it.

This is understandable because most of them are still a young group and even tend to children who have not been able to think broadly so that they are so innocent and believe that this is real.
but on the other hand it's actually not only them but there are some people who already know that it is something fake but with their love they don't want to admit and still deny that this is fake.

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Quote from: SmokerFace on January 09, 2022, 10:41:03 AM

Are you talking about fake bets on videos that attract viewers? If yes, then it's not a new thing. All I can say is it's just a part of advertising and marketing, and you can not stop it. So many videos are available on YouTube, and blind people believe in them. People want to make money online, and they won't profit from their investment, so they start watching videos. The only advice I can give is, take some reviews and search on the internet before putting your money somewhere.

Yes, it's about exactly such videos and additionaly streams. But this thread is about the fact that it is unethical that a lot of people, and above all young users, do not know that this game is fake and the money is not real. Inexperienced young players think that they can easily win big money, and when they try to practice, they lose it.

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Are you talking about fake bets on videos that attract viewers? If yes, then it's not a new thing. All I can say is it's just a part of advertising and marketing, and you can not stop it. So many videos are available on YouTube, and blind people believe in them. People want to make money online, and they won't profit from their investment, so they start watching videos. The only advice I can give is, take some reviews and search on the internet before putting your money somewhere.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on January 06, 2022, 06:45:42 PM

They wouldnt really care at all and its true that as long they dont make some legal lapses or violation then it would really still to continue since they do know that theres nothing that would happen to them despite of

being that deceptive in terms of marketing as long on whats been mandated on them then they would surely follow as long they do make out money then that what matter the most.

As a gambler or viewer then you should be at least using your own common sense on judging off things.

I think that there are actually legal issues surrounding these streamers.

E.g. they seem to be operating from the U.S. when gambling in the U.S. on these sites is actually forbidden.

Plus, it is forbidden for services like Roobet to offer their product to U.S. citizens. Given that they are directly sponsoring these streamers there could be an even deeper hole there.

Possible but we arent seeing something or situations that there are being sued or had faced some legal issues but if there would be someone who would push through or have some extra time to hassle
up themselves or does have the funds to do so then there might be but now we are seeing nothing.

Legal actions could be there but we dont see it happening but in over all sense this is particular in decision with those viewers and act accordingly on what they are seeing.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on January 06, 2022, 06:45:42 PM

They wouldnt really care at all and its true that as long they dont make some legal lapses or violation then it would really still to continue since they do know that theres nothing that would happen to them despite of

being that deceptive in terms of marketing as long on whats been mandated on them then they would surely follow as long they do make out money then that what matter the most.

As a gambler or viewer then you should be at least using your own common sense on judging off things.

I think that there are actually legal issues surrounding these streamers.

E.g. they seem to be operating from the U.S. when gambling in the U.S. on these sites is actually forbidden.

Plus, it is forbidden for services like Roobet to offer their product to U.S. citizens. Given that they are directly sponsoring these streamers there could be an even deeper hole there.

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Quote from: Maslate on January 06, 2022, 06:01:04 PM

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Quote from: BetGalaxyADM on January 06, 2022, 03:01:38 PM

It's one thing to do a paid promotion through a promotor... but to lie and act like it is their own money they are gambling with.. It's not only immorally wrong, it's possibly illegal depending what jurisdiction the streamer is in.

As long as they are not saying it openly they are not commiting anything wrong from the legal perspective but it can be immorally wrong but why does someone choose to spend their money because they saw a streamer is making tons of money by doing the same, which is actually greed driven activity right so those streamers are using the people's greed to make money for them.

They can lie to make money, all they care about is the legality, as long as they are safe on the legal side they can do what the promoter would like them to talk and promote, that's why it's hard to trust those who are promoting online, I would still prefer a forum like ours as we can see the transparency we are looking, no bias opinion will prevail and etc.

We shouldn't trust anybody for any reason, we can get the opinions from them and do the same with different people so if you are getting more positive response on average then its actually a good site but highly influenced by someone's popularity is just the stupidity.

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Quote from: Maslate on January 06, 2022, 06:01:04 PM

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Quote from: BetGalaxyADM on January 06, 2022, 03:01:38 PM

It's one thing to do a paid promotion through a promotor... but to lie and act like it is their own money they are gambling with.. It's not only immorally wrong, it's possibly illegal depending what jurisdiction the streamer is in.

As long as they are not saying it openly they are not commiting anything wrong from the legal perspective but it can be immorally wrong but why does someone choose to spend their money because they saw a streamer is making tons of money by doing the same, which is actually greed driven activity right so those streamers are using the people's greed to make money for them.

They can lie to make money, all they care about is the legality, as long as they are safe on the legal side they can do what the promoter would like them to talk and promote, that's why it's hard to trust those who are promoting online, I would still prefer a forum like ours as we can see the transparency we are looking, no bias opinion will prevail and etc.

They wouldnt really care at all and its true that as long they dont make some legal lapses or violation then it would really still to continue since they do know that theres nothing that would happen to them despite of

being that deceptive in terms of marketing as long on whats been mandated on them then they would surely follow as long they do make out money then that what matter the most.

As a gambler or viewer then you should be at least using your own common sense on judging off things.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on January 06, 2022, 05:52:43 PM

Quote from: BetGalaxyADM on January 06, 2022, 03:01:38 PM

It's one thing to do a paid promotion through a promotor... but to lie and act like it is their own money they are gambling with.. It's not only immorally wrong, it's possibly illegal depending what jurisdiction the streamer is in.

As long as they are not saying it openly they are not commiting anything wrong from the legal perspective but it can be immorally wrong but why does someone choose to spend their money because they saw a streamer is making tons of money by doing the same, which is actually greed driven activity right so those streamers are using the people's greed to make money for them.

They can lie to make money, all they care about is the legality, as long as they are safe on the legal side they can do what the promoter would like them to talk and promote, that's why it's hard to trust those who are promoting online, I would still prefer a forum like ours as we can see the transparency we are looking, no bias opinion will prevail and etc.

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Quote from: BetGalaxyADM on January 06, 2022, 03:01:38 PM

It's one thing to do a paid promotion through a promotor... but to lie and act like it is their own money they are gambling with.. It's not only immorally wrong, it's possibly illegal depending what jurisdiction the streamer is in.

I think these types of marketing tricks should be regulated by law. I have not heard of it being forbidden anywhere. However, it should definitely be regulated at least to make sure that the person who will watch the stream is informed that it is a promotional video and not a real game.

Well it has always been expected that there is a trick from the streamer and it should always be doubtful about it when they are using a huge fund.
I think that is right, considering this is illegal because it seems you are misleading people to the fact that you are taking advance their weakness, they think that the streamer and willing to lose a huge amount and gain profit. Perhaps they are desperate on their strategy, and a marketing strategy like this should be banned in any viewing video platforms.

Unfortunately, it will not be easy to completely ban such streams. Casinos can create these types of videos as an instruction for new users, and this is definitely legal. The point is for someone who watches to know that the person who is playing not for real money and winning is not real. If someone thinks that you can win a lot of money in such an easy way, he will certainly want to try, unfortunately in reality it is not that simple and it is unethical in my opinion.

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Quote from: BetGalaxyADM on January 06, 2022, 03:01:38 PM

It's one thing to do a paid promotion through a promotor... but to lie and act like it is their own money they are gambling with.. It's not only immorally wrong, it's possibly illegal depending what jurisdiction the streamer is in.

As long as they are not saying it openly they are not commiting anything wrong from the legal perspective but it can be immorally wrong but why does someone choose to spend their money because they saw a streamer is making tons of money by doing the same, which is actually greed driven activity right so those streamers are using the people's greed to make money for them.

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Quote from: kotwica666 on January 06, 2022, 05:16:15 PM

Quote from: BetGalaxyADM on January 06, 2022, 03:01:38 PM

It's one thing to do a paid promotion through a promotor... but to lie and act like it is their own money they are gambling with.. It's not only immorally wrong, it's possibly illegal depending what jurisdiction the streamer is in.

I think these types of marketing tricks should be regulated by law. I have not heard of it being forbidden anywhere. However, it should definitely be regulated at least to make sure that the person who will watch the stream is informed that it is a promotional video and not a real game.

Well it has always been expected that there is a trick from the streamer and it should always be doubtful about it when they are using a huge fund.
I think that is right, considering this is illegal because it seems you are misleading people to the fact that you are taking advance their weakness, they think that the streamer and willing to lose a huge amount and gain profit. Perhaps they are desperate on their strategy, and a marketing strategy like this should be banned in any viewing video platforms.

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Quote from: BetGalaxyADM on January 06, 2022, 03:01:38 PM

It's one thing to do a paid promotion through a promotor... but to lie and act like it is their own money they are gambling with.. It's not only immorally wrong, it's possibly illegal depending what jurisdiction the streamer is in.

I think these types of marketing tricks should be regulated by law. I have not heard of it being forbidden anywhere. However, it should definitely be regulated at least to make sure that the person who will watch the stream is informed that it is a promotional video and not a real game.

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Quote from: CDC AP on January 03, 2022, 12:05:37 PM

They're obviously been paid by the casino to play and promote it they do get overhyped when they win even tho the money is not theirs, do i think this is immoral and kinda misleading ? Maybe. Does this behaviour needs to be stopped ? No.I believe some people maybe find this entertaining (myself included)

At the end of the day if you're a compulsive gambler or someone who has a real problem with gambling i suggest you just stay away from those streams.

It's an amazing paradox that this new breed of social media "influencers" live in - they will sell out everything possible on their journey for fame, I guess that's how it's worked for all sorts of celebrities in the past. Unless they come from a fairly rich background already, in which case they have a small chance of not being insufferable but many upbringings are ruined by wealth. So yes, they will be willing to accept any bribes or advertising trickery if it helps fund their stay at home lifestyle and fully endorse the fakery that advertisers need them to push. In many cases they will even rationalize it to themselves in a variety of ways, the most basic being - someone else will take the money on offer if they don't.

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It's one thing to do a paid promotion through a promotor... but to lie and act like it is their own money they are gambling with.. It's not only immorally wrong, it's possibly illegal depending what jurisdiction the streamer is in.

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Quote from: CDC AP on January 03, 2022, 12:05:37 PM

They're obviously been paid by the casino to play and promote it they do get overhyped when they win even tho the money is not theirs, do i think this is immoral and kinda misleading ? Maybe. Does this behaviour needs to be stopped ? No.I believe some people maybe find this entertaining (myself included)

At the end of the day if you're a compulsive gambler or someone who has a real problem with gambling i suggest you just stay away from those streams.

I agree. It is just a part of their marketing strategy or tricks. And because they are paid streamer/promoter they need to convince and get the attention of the viewers. It tricks the audiences into thinking there chances of winning big than they are.And it is all up to you if you're going to gamble or not.

In fact, it is only a feeling.
That is caused by high bet amounts and constant refilling of the balance.
A normal average person can not play in such a way, because eventually the money runs out.

It is quite dangerous to watch such streams if you are not aware of the fact that the only purpose for yourself should be entertainment and gambling still has to do with luck.

If you do make yourself get blinded about on whats reality then you would really be believing that those fellas are really spending out money out from their pocket which is totally a different scenario.
Think realistic because they wont be spending out much money in front of lots of people and do you see something odd that most of these influencers do really win up money or in their games?
Dont know if its really that fair or something im confident on telling that they do mostly win up and i dont know if its intentional or simply they are just lucky.

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Quote from: jhonjhon on January 06, 2022, 11:47:43 AM

Quote from: CDC AP on January 03, 2022, 12:05:37 PM

They're obviously been paid by the casino to play and promote it they do get overhyped when they win even tho the money is not theirs, do i think this is immoral and kinda misleading ? Maybe. Does this behaviour needs to be stopped ? No.I believe some people maybe find this entertaining (myself included)

At the end of the day if you're a compulsive gambler or someone who has a real problem with gambling i suggest you just stay away from those streams.

I agree. It is just a part of their marketing strategy or tricks. And because they are paid streamer/promoter they need to convince and get the attention of the viewers. It tricks the audiences into thinking there chances of winning big than they are.And it is all up to you if you're going to gamble or not.

In fact, it is only a feeling.
That is caused by high bet amounts and constant refilling of the balance.
A normal average person can not play in such a way, because eventually the money runs out.

It is quite dangerous to watch such streams if you are not aware of the fact that the only purpose for yourself should be entertainment and gambling still has to do with luck.

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