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Quote from: Wexnident on December 25, 2021, 01:43:16 AM

Quote from: Desmong on December 24, 2021, 06:02:44 AM

A marketing strategy and you are okay with it? What of if you end up being scammed or moreover, you lost your fund through this kind of marketing strategy due to your weakness and ignorance to do thorough research before jumping on the hyped information. We all need to be guided to avoid later regret which is the reason why the internet is there to make thorough research.

Then that's you being idk, what might be a better term to use other than dumb? In the first place, a scam and a legitimate business are two different things, it's just that it's up to you to differentiate between the two. Now, as for losing money through these kinds of marketing strategies, well that's the point see. Marketing strategies are there to make you spend money, to make you their customer so that you can spend money for them to earn, easy as that. Now if you're complaining about that, idk man, it's mostly your fault ngl. It's pretty dumb to blame an advertisement for YOUR decision. Your the one making the decisions for your life, not the strategy.

So you are suggesting that it is completely okay to mislead players?

Please. It's not like this is something that is just normal marketing.

There is significant deception when it comes to giving streamers money and getting them as much as they need in order for them to paint a glorified picture of winnings.

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Quote from: Wexnident on December 25, 2021, 01:43:16 AM

Now, as for losing money through these kinds of marketing strategies, well that's the point see. Marketing strategies are there to make you spend money, to make you their customer so that you can spend money for them to earn, easy as that. Now if you're complaining about that, idk man, it's mostly your fault ngl. It's pretty dumb to blame an advertisement for YOUR decision. Your the one making the decisions for your life, not the strategy.

Well said. I think that one way or the other, business are somehow giving public information that are not 100% true about their products and services, just to entice the masses. Now, being the audience, we have every sense and privilege to check the advertisements and information we see and receive from them. We have every right to research, criticize, discern and reject such if we don’t want it or something is off.

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Quote from: Desmong on December 24, 2021, 06:02:44 AM

A marketing strategy and you are okay with it? What of if you end up being scammed or moreover, you lost your fund through this kind of marketing strategy due to your weakness and ignorance to do thorough research before jumping on the hyped information. We all need to be guided to avoid later regret which is the reason why the internet is there to make thorough research.

Then that's you being idk, what might be a better term to use other than dumb? In the first place, a scam and a legitimate business are two different things, it's just that it's up to you to differentiate between the two. Now, as for losing money through these kinds of marketing strategies, well that's the point see. Marketing strategies are there to make you spend money, to make you their customer so that you can spend money for them to earn, easy as that. Now if you're complaining about that, idk man, it's mostly your fault ngl. It's pretty dumb to blame an advertisement for YOUR decision. Your the one making the decisions for your life, not the strategy.

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Quote from: tabas on December 24, 2021, 06:35:34 PM

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Quote from: Gosgosking on December 20, 2021, 01:02:40 AM

This is a marketing system, it a strategy for advertising and there is nothing bad about it . You can't stop people from it, people will decide where to go or where they will put there money on. So just chill, it's a marketing strategy.

A marketing strategy and you are okay with it? What of if you end up being scammed or moreover, you lost your fund through this kind of marketing strategy due to your weakness and ignorance to do thorough research before jumping on the hyped information. We all need to be guided to avoid later regret which is the reason why the internet is there to make thorough research.

We have our free will to pursue or not when we see this type of marketing. Anyone can agree to you and as well as not. But if you're the one who has seen it and you're not okay with it, you don't have to actually follow what their ad says. And if you're okay with it, you can also do the same of just ignoring it. You won't lose your fund until you deposit so if you won't do any action of depositing, you're good and just keep your money.

We must have a responsibility to ourselves, especially if that is related to the money we have and not just use it for playing gambling because we see the promotions from the gambling website or other websites. It is all about controlling yourself while you see the ads and if you do not get any effect, you will not use your money to gamble. But I admit that many people are attracted to the site that offers many big things because it is human nature that will tempt them to get something they are not yet had.

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Quote from: Desmong on December 24, 2021, 06:02:44 AM

Quote from: Gosgosking on December 20, 2021, 01:02:40 AM

This is a marketing system, it a strategy for advertising and there is nothing bad about it . You can't stop people from it, people will decide where to go or where they will put there money on. So just chill, it's a marketing strategy.

A marketing strategy and you are okay with it? What of if you end up being scammed or moreover, you lost your fund through this kind of marketing strategy due to your weakness and ignorance to do thorough research before jumping on the hyped information. We all need to be guided to avoid later regret which is the reason why the internet is there to make thorough research.

We have our free will to pursue or not when we see this type of marketing. Anyone can agree to you and as well as not. But if you're the one who has seen it and you're not okay with it, you don't have to actually follow what their ad says. And if you're okay with it, you can also do the same of just ignoring it. You won't lose your fund until you deposit so if you won't do any action of depositing, you're good and just keep your money.

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Quote from: Gosgosking on December 20, 2021, 01:02:40 AM

This is a marketing system, it a strategy for advertising and there is nothing bad about it . You can't stop people from it, people will decide where to go or where they will put there money on. So just chill, it's a marketing strategy.

A marketing strategy and you are okay with it? What of if you end up being scammed or moreover, you lost your fund through this kind of marketing strategy due to your weakness and ignorance to do thorough research before jumping on the hyped information. We all need to be guided to avoid later regret which is the reason why the internet is there to make thorough research.

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They are not forcing you to gamble anyway so there’s no immoral on that and that’s a legal way to market their casinos services so I don’t see any problem here at all aside from the different perspective of the gambler. If those marketing strategy is not good for you, then better to leave and go gamble anywhere.

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Quote from: Betwrong on December 22, 2021, 09:23:44 AM

Quote from: mu_enrico on December 20, 2021, 08:58:55 AM

F*ckin hell, this debate is still going Cheesy

Beautiful girls advertising/endorsing beauty products is also immoral since they are beautiful since birth and not because of the products.
Nothing 100% honest in the advertisement, and everyone knows streamer is just an entertainer, not a pro gambler.
There is a line in which we can or cannot act since it's in the grey area. Altcoin shill, NFT shill, Play2Earn shill, sponsored slot streamer, even Bitcoin shill is in the same category. I don't encourage the practice, but it's just how the world works.

There is a difference between advertising beauty products and gambling on slots because it is very unlikely someone spending all money they have on beauty products, while with gambling, as we all know, it's possible. That's why many people, including OP here, think that "this need to be stopped", with which I disagree. Advertisement makes the world rolling, and, as you rightly said, "it's just how the world works". To not be among the few affected by it in a bad way, we should educate ourselves all the time, and this thread is one of those places where you can get useful information.

In short, to not be a victim of the ads, but to benefit from them(and some of them are really fun to watch), educate yourself and enjoy.

All governments in different countries regulate advertising bans differently. In some countries, for example, you cannot advertise alcoholic beverages, and beer is allowed only at night. It is definitely impossible to advertise only narcotic drugs in all countries. However, medicines can be advertised publicly through the media in some underdeveloped countries. And at the same time they formally write - see a doctor!

As for advertising of gambling, the picture here is ambiguous. Therefore, it will not work to prohibit these advertisements.
To be honest, I haven't received any valuable information from viewing ads for a long time. And just try not to watch or listen to anything like that. Unfortunately, this is almost impossible. For example, when you watch YouTube without a paid subscription. So this is just horror as boring.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on December 20, 2021, 08:58:55 AM

F*ckin hell, this debate is still going Cheesy

Beautiful girls advertising/endorsing beauty products is also immoral since they are beautiful since birth and not because of the products.
Nothing 100% honest in the advertisement, and everyone knows streamer is just an entertainer, not a pro gambler.
There is a line in which we can or cannot act since it's in the grey area. Altcoin shill, NFT shill, Play2Earn shill, sponsored slot streamer, even Bitcoin shill is in the same category. I don't encourage the practice, but it's just how the world works.

There is a difference between advertising beauty products and gambling on slots because it is very unlikely someone spending all money they have on beauty products, while with gambling, as we all know, it's possible. That's why many people, including OP here, think that "this need to be stopped", with which I disagree. Advertisement makes the world rolling, and, as you rightly said, "it's just how the world works". To not be among the few affected by it in a bad way, we should educate ourselves all the time, and this thread is one of those places where you can get useful information.

In short, to not be a victim of the ads, but to benefit from them(and some of them are really fun to watch), educate yourself and enjoy.

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In some cases the streamers were paid by the respective gambling platform. This is a wrong way of promoting the platform, because the streamer isn't risking anything. He's just playing on the gambling site for fun, whether he wins or losses doesn't affect him. He'll be paid. If a streamer is doing on his own learning the we can't comment on it. Because, it is his money and his wish to wager with big funds.

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Quote from: bittraffic on December 15, 2021, 12:22:27 AM

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Quote from: fiulpro on December 13, 2021, 12:31:29 PM

Everyone knows that the people are paid actors and at the same time wagering does not give you a 100% profit and therefore even if you do find these advertising copious even then you can't do anything about it since it's your decision that counts. Even if you are winning in streaks, you can choose to stop and encash in some games. I did find that hard to do but you might end up with profits and you can continue playing with the initial investment as well. Sites that are operating online, the online gambling casinos generally has a whole section where you can check their games if they are fair or not which does help some players to trust them as well. As for me I go for trusted casinos and I don't let me get into the whole web where you loose continuously hoping to win. It's all about you !

Here you touch on a very important point, I have noticed by following some YouTubers who do what you say, and the worst thing is that they give investment advice in a project that soon becomes scam, then they compromise their reputation which is very difficult to get for money because they offer you some who are in charge of projects of this style, this is sad because they can make you lose money and at the same time you lose a possible influencer.

In these cases, it is very common to see them on YouTube and on twitch and what they achieve is that they lose all kinds of trust.

Negative side for influencers who engage in a company that also deceives them. They both ruin thier reputation for deceiving people to invest in them, the influencer doesn't deserve to be an influencer for not investigating much of the project or casino they tried promoting, and maybe the influencer only cares for the fees he gets from the sponsors he has.

We have seen lots of immoral marketing in crypto but if these companies find it effective in making money, they will continue to do it. Since they can always recreate sham casinos over and over.

If in fact many youtubers at the moment are having a very large loss of followers, because at first one called kmanu highlighted a lot the fact of supporting an NFT game called Plan vs Undead, and so far the game has turned out to be very bad , from a price of 14USD is for 0.14USD recovering very little, and he was one of those who recommended to buy to obtain profit in the farm 3.0 and now it has been pure losses, which makes people not believe in him and there are many subscribers upset because they have lost almost all investment.

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Quote from: thsceptic on March 30, 2021, 12:21:54 PM

Some of you guys must have watched high stake slot players in their pajamas rolling thousands of dollars in single spin, buying hundred of thousands worth of bonus spins. If you notice closely yo will found the same pattern all over again and again. They start with loosing most of their bank roll (almost 80-90%), and then going all in at last and guess what, bingo!!! they hit hundreds of thousands of dollars. Very few of them write in their stream discerption about rolling with fake money (or money of which they can only cash out like 1%). Almost all of them scream loudly and show us that they are winning it in real, some are very good at faking it, which attracts lots of new gamblers (with false expectations) and they end up loosing it all which ultimately leads to social disharmony.
The argument they provide is as follow, ''we are entertainers/performers''. This need to be stopped. I am creating this thread to discuss such issues and to warn other new comers about the potential loss. If you have found such streamers please post here so that it can be helpful for new players to make realistic decisions.

This kind of strategy has been used not just in gambling but to other platforms too. Using such strategy is to promote their own gambling sites or whatever it is as long as their plan is to gather more people to try it. It is up to the person if he/she will gamble or not unless he/she is forced to gamble also no one is forced to gamble your money.

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F*ckin hell, this debate is still going Cheesy

Beautiful girls advertising/endorsing beauty products is also immoral since they are beautiful since birth and not because of the products.
Nothing 100% honest in the advertisement, and everyone knows streamer is just an entertainer, not a pro gambler.
There is a line in which we can or cannot act since it's in the grey area. Altcoin shill, NFT shill, Play2Earn shill, sponsored slot streamer, even Bitcoin shill is in the same category. I don't encourage the practice, but it's just how the world works.

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Quote from: bittraffic on December 20, 2021, 12:10:23 AM

~ Okay so it's democratic and they have the right to do so even doing the immoral marketing stuff. The internet users will just not care about it until the casino had scammed and got some bad reviews already which the warnings will be to avoid them.

But I think it's actually a good sign that the casino has no care for its clients which will one day do scam stuff because from the beginning they are already doing immoral marketing.

But what is the reason for giving such casino bad reviews? Firstly, we can't know for sure whether casino is paying to video blogger, or he's just showing his big wins to attract more viewers to his channel. Secondly, unless it's original casino's slots, which is rare, casino has no control over them, and by itself it can't make you lose(or win). Even slot providers can't do that without breaking the law. So I don't think anyone, except video streamers, should be getting bad reviews in this case.

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Quote from: thsceptic on March 30, 2021, 12:21:54 PM

The argument they provide is as follow, ''we are entertainers/performers''. This need to be stopped. I am creating this thread to discuss such issues and to warn other new comers about the potential loss. If you have found such streamers please post here so that it can be helpful for new players to make realistic decisions.

Unfortunaley this is still very common today. Streamers seem to abuse the fact that they seem much more approachable than the average TV program. During breaks we instantly know when advertisings are running and when they stop. During streams it's not so easy to see, there might be a small symbol appearing in the corner of the stream, but it's not always clear. Streamers don't really need to state when they are paid to show casino games. That's why we as gamblers should be very careful on believing what we see online. Most of the big winnings are rigged and not really fair. When it comes to Youtube and streaming we should have the same critical thinking as when watching ads on TV.

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Quote from: Gosgosking on December 20, 2021, 01:02:40 AM

This is a marketing system, it a strategy for advertising and there is nothing bad about it . You can't stop people from it, people will decide where to go or where they will put there money on. So just chill, it's a marketing strategy.

No matter what marketing strategy the casino will use, people need to know where they should play gambling and not just try to register and deposit their money. When people can be careful to select the right casino, I am sure they will not get in the trap from the casino and get the fun they want. But unfortunately, many people do not become aware of what other people say and try to play on any casino without research. That makes them get a scam from the casino and they can only complain.

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This is a marketing system, it a strategy for advertising and there is nothing bad about it . You can't stop people from it, people will decide where to go or where they will put there money on. So just chill, it's a marketing strategy.

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Each gambling sites has their own strategy no matter how bad or good it is as long as they attract more players. Fake advertisements are everywhere because honestly, they wouldn't create ads that will discourage their players. Lots of streamers are also taking advantage of this opportunity and what we just need to do is just to be skeptical and be wise in choosing a good site and game.

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Quote from: DarkDays on December 15, 2021, 12:40:30 PM

Quote from: mindrust on March 30, 2021, 12:32:52 PM

Why do you care? Are they forcing you to wager your money? Did they put a gun on your head? No. Whoever is falling for that scam and wagers more that he could afford to lose deserves to lose that money.

People will try anything, no matter how ridiculous it may seem. There are always a few people who fall for these scams.

In the end, the only way to truly prevent these from happening is not by censoring, because in the end this is a democratic, open world but by raising awareness so that people can educate themselves, even if they're new comers or simply want to get involved etc

So, as long as nobody is forcing anyone it is a free, open and democratic choice that each of us has. We each can decide to either support this or not...

Okay so it's democratic and they have the right to do so even doing the immoral marketing stuff. The internet users will just not care about it until the casino had scammed and got some bad reviews already which the warnings will be to avoid them.

But I think it's actually a good sign that the casino has no care for its clients which will one day do scam stuff because from the beginning they are already doing immoral marketing.

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Quote from: lienfaye on December 14, 2021, 10:47:24 PM

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Each gambling sites has their own strategy no matter how bad or good it is as long as they attract more players. Fake advertisements are everywhere because honestly, they wouldn't create ads that will discourage their players. Lots of streamers are also taking advantage of this opportunity and what we just need to do is just to be skeptical and be wise in choosing a good site and game.

Well its quite common now, not all you see is true. Thats why if you gamble dont have high expectation that you'll also win big just like what you see in their advertisement. Use your common sense because its gambling and losing your money is always present and often inevitable. Thus ask yourself many times if you can bear losing your money before playing since you cant turn back time once you lose it.

We all know that gambling platforms needs money to carter for their marketing bills and pay their workers which is the same way gamblers are also looking for money to pay their bills and carter for their liabilities. Everybody is looking for more money which we'll know is normal and the question here is, who is going to bring the Money? Where is the money coming from? From you and me...doing bet loses.

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