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Quote from: mu_enrico on December 20, 2021, 08:58:55 AM

F*ckin hell, this debate is still going Cheesy

Beautiful girls advertising/endorsing beauty products is also immoral since they are beautiful since birth and not because of the products.
Nothing 100% honest in the advertisement, and everyone knows streamer is just an entertainer, not a pro gambler.
There is a line in which we can or cannot act since it's in the grey area. Altcoin shill, NFT shill, Play2Earn shill, sponsored slot streamer, even Bitcoin shill is in the same category. I don't encourage the practice, but it's just how the world works.

You are really on point. I don't think there is anything bad when it comes to shilling for a few dollars. Maybe we don't know that the signature campaigns we are in and the avatar is part of shilling and influencing projects and site to new people that doesn't know about it. Every we are doing is advertisement and we shouldn't ignore the fact that influencers are doing the same thing here.

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All governments in different countries regulate advertising bans differently. In some countries, for example, you cannot advertise alcoholic beverages, and beer is allowed only at night. It is definitely impossible to advertise only narcotic drugs in all countries. However, medicines can be advertised publicly through the media in some underdeveloped countries. And at the same time they formally write - see a doctor!

As for advertising of gambling, the picture here is ambiguous. Therefore, it will not work to prohibit these advertisements.
To be honest, I haven't received any valuable information from viewing ads for a long time. And just try not to watch or listen to anything like that. Unfortunately, this is almost impossible. For example, when you watch YouTube without a paid subscription. So this is just horror as boring.

Yeah, but OP is talking about another kind of advertisement, videos that for some people don't look like ads at all. Video bloggers just showing their slot sessions when they win big money occasionally. I personally like to watch such vids(except their screaming, especially of the older guys, it's repelling. I mean, a young woman squealing with excitement is one thing, but an older guy, well...). As people are saying in this thread, you just shouldn't think that what happened to them should necessarily happen to you.

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Quote from: thsceptic on March 30, 2021, 12:21:54 PM

Some of you guys must have watched high stake slot players in their pajamas rolling thousands of dollars in single spin, buying hundred of thousands worth of bonus spins. If you notice closely yo will found the same pattern all over again and again. They start with loosing most of their bank roll (almost 80-90%), and then going all in at last and guess what, bingo!!! they hit hundreds of thousands of dollars. Very few of them write in their stream discerption about rolling with fake money (or money of which they can only cash out like 1%). Almost all of them scream loudly and show us that they are winning it in real, some are very good at faking it, which attracts lots of new gamblers (with false expectations) and they end up loosing it all which ultimately leads to social disharmony.
The argument they provide is as follow, ''we are entertainers/performers''. This need to be stopped. I am creating this thread to discuss such issues and to warn other new comers about the potential loss. If you have found such streamers please post here so that it can be helpful for new players to make realistic decisions.

whatever marketing trick the gambling platform uses doesn't matter because it's not illegal, but what we need to pay attention to is that it's just a marketing trick, there are no real wins, they are paid by the owner of the gambling site they endorse. it was once revealed that someone was given a virtual balance by a gambling site (their marketing team) and was assigned to make a live video of how he made big and fast money on that gambling site.

They really need to come up with an effective strategy in order to attract the gamblers to play on their site. In some way, its true that you can win big if you gamble but its not going to be easy and will only happen if we're lucky. So if you can be easily convince by these streamers then you might really end up to gamble on that particular site without even thinking of the possible consequences.

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Quote from: tabas on December 26, 2021, 05:13:34 PM

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Quote from: tabas on December 25, 2021, 05:13:51 PM

We can do with everything that we want if it's regarded to the money that we own. We can gamble if want to. But we can also avoid and ignore it as the usual thing that happens.
Those that have been attracted to offers, that's the goal of those ads and if you're not attracted to it, then that's it. And, you just can't stop the others from being attracted to it. We have the situations that make us attracted and not. They're marketing and that's the main purpose of those ads and if it's coming from an influencer that you like or not, you also have the free will to avoid or not.

Yes, we can not stop the others but we can stop ourselves from the attraction. Hopefully, we will not spend too much money on playing gambling because we have another thing that we need to fill. So that depends on how we act with the offers or the promotions that we see in many places. If we can hold and not tempt playing gambling, we will not go to that place instead just use our time to the other things. So we can say that they can create any ads they want and use many ways to attract people but we need always to be careful and take care of our money.

Yes, it should start from us and there's no complaint that shall be put upon when the result manifested on you. You're aware of yourself and with these ads.
The money you'll be spending is yours and much better that it is really yours and not from a loan or borrowed from someone you know.

I think we can give an example to them by having awareness and not putting ourselves into trouble so they will look at how we can handle the promotion with good. We can do that and they can also do that. It is about how you can have an effort to handle your mind when you see something about promotions. We can not stop but we can give them suggestions and decide by ourselves.

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Quote from: 24Kt on December 26, 2021, 05:28:53 PM

You are very right about that. What's the purpose of going to casino? It is not about looking for someone to hook up. So one should not distracted by this kind of promotion of the casino via attractive streamers or endorsers. You should look what's in store for you as a player. Check their provable fairness, or if there's any negative feedback towards them. Because at the end of the day, it is the decision of the player to play on the site. You all have the privilege to choose where you want to spend your money.

Well, that is true. But the first thing the casino wants is to attract visitors to their platform. The company believes that "attractive streamers or endorsers" are the "first step" to attracting visitors who are likely to spend more in their casino. This is an active strategy, and we can see its effects throughout the entire casino ecosystem. As digital influencers try to get more subscribers, the big casinos have all rushed to get an influencer as a paid partner. While influencer marketing is still relatively new, it's a fast-growing field.

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Quote from: thsceptic on March 30, 2021, 12:21:54 PM

Some of you guys must have watched high stake slot players in their pajamas rolling thousands of dollars in single spin, buying hundred of thousands worth of bonus spins. If you notice closely yo will found the same pattern all over again and again. They start with loosing most of their bank roll (almost 80-90%), and then going all in at last and guess what, bingo!!! they hit hundreds of thousands of dollars. Very few of them write in their stream discerption about rolling with fake money (or money of which they can only cash out like 1%). Almost all of them scream loudly and show us that they are winning it in real, some are very good at faking it, which attracts lots of new gamblers (with false expectations) and they end up loosing it all which ultimately leads to social disharmony.
The argument they provide is as follow, ''we are entertainers/performers''. This need to be stopped. I am creating this thread to discuss such issues and to warn other new comers about the potential loss. If you have found such streamers please post here so that it can be helpful for new players to make realistic decisions.

whatever marketing trick the gambling platform uses doesn't matter because it's not illegal, but what we need to pay attention to is that it's just a marketing trick, there are no real wins, they are paid by the owner of the gambling site they endorse. it was once revealed that someone was given a virtual balance by a gambling site (their marketing team) and was assigned to make a live video of how he made big and fast money on that gambling site.

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Quote from: mia_houston on December 25, 2021, 01:19:17 PM

Promotion is one way for a site or company to introduce their products to many people, and in this case streamers have an important role in doing so, not infrequently many sites actually put morality aside just to advance their company or site, for example, such gambling sites that often use beautiful and sexy women as streamers, many casinos that make sexy women an attraction for consumers to join or gamble on their sites so far, but in this case the decision to play or not necessarily depends on our own decisions, so far many gamblers who get caught up in scams just because they believe in what they are advertising all along with the attractiveness of a woman, if logically we think, aren't we looking for really trusted casinos and not looking for women to date, then why should we join casinos just because they showing isn't it a woman?

You are very right about that. What's the purpose of going to casino? It is not about looking for someone to hook up. So one should not distracted by this kind of promotion of the casino via attractive streamers or endorsers. You should look what's in store for you as a player. Check their provable fairness, or if there's any negative feedback towards them. Because at the end of the day, it is the decision of the player to play on the site. You all have the privilege to choose where you want to spend your money.

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Quote from: tabas on December 26, 2021, 05:13:34 PM

Quote from: ipanks on December 25, 2021, 09:39:12 PM

Quote from: tabas on December 25, 2021, 05:13:51 PM

We can do with everything that we want if it's regarded to the money that we own. We can gamble if want to. But we can also avoid and ignore it as the usual thing that happens.
Those that have been attracted to offers, that's the goal of those ads and if you're not attracted to it, then that's it. And, you just can't stop the others from being attracted to it. We have the situations that make us attracted and not. They're marketing and that's the main purpose of those ads and if it's coming from an influencer that you like or not, you also have the free will to avoid or not.

Yes, we can not stop the others but we can stop ourselves from the attraction. Hopefully, we will not spend too much money on playing gambling because we have another thing that we need to fill. So that depends on how we act with the offers or the promotions that we see in many places. If we can hold and not tempt playing gambling, we will not go to that place instead just use our time to the other things. So we can say that they can create any ads they want and use many ways to attract people but we need always to be careful and take care of our money.

Yes, it should start from us and there's no complaint that shall be put upon when the result manifested on you. You're aware of yourself and with these ads.
The money you'll be spending is yours and much better that it is really yours and not from a loan or borrowed from someone you know.

Self awareness should be enough but there are people who do let these things to let it pass and tend to believe that it could be possibly done by them which would triggers out your greediness inside.
Marketing could really be deceptive one or would really be that tempting or as attractive as it could be since the primary motive would always be hooking up players as much as they can or could.
Doesnt really matter if it turns out to be that immoral on others eyes or not as long they could benefit out then that what surely counts.

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Quote from: ipanks on December 25, 2021, 09:39:12 PM

Quote from: tabas on December 25, 2021, 05:13:51 PM

We can do with everything that we want if it's regarded to the money that we own. We can gamble if want to. But we can also avoid and ignore it as the usual thing that happens.
Those that have been attracted to offers, that's the goal of those ads and if you're not attracted to it, then that's it. And, you just can't stop the others from being attracted to it. We have the situations that make us attracted and not. They're marketing and that's the main purpose of those ads and if it's coming from an influencer that you like or not, you also have the free will to avoid or not.

Yes, we can not stop the others but we can stop ourselves from the attraction. Hopefully, we will not spend too much money on playing gambling because we have another thing that we need to fill. So that depends on how we act with the offers or the promotions that we see in many places. If we can hold and not tempt playing gambling, we will not go to that place instead just use our time to the other things. So we can say that they can create any ads they want and use many ways to attract people but we need always to be careful and take care of our money.

Yes, it should start from us and there's no complaint that shall be put upon when the result manifested on you. You're aware of yourself and with these ads.
The money you'll be spending is yours and much better that it is really yours and not from a loan or borrowed from someone you know.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on December 25, 2021, 05:31:47 PM

Common sense is the real deal but other people do really make things tolerable on where they do let their greed control or overcome them which would really result into messing up your finances because you do gamble

out and had been fooled on playing for long time and believing that you could make profits just like on what that influencer did or able to attain.When it comes to fairness then i wont really be having no complaints
into those sites which are fair and reputable or known ones.

Marketing is part and even if its on deceptive part then you should know on how to make out decisions according to that.

You need to always keep your guard up, influencer are there to promote sites and how they were doing it is their strategy.

if you failed to work things the right way, expect the outcome will heat negatively, but if you
make it the right way. The chance of enjoying and taking some decent amount are there waiting for you.

It's needed to separate your greed from yourself when playing inside the gambling house, emotionless
gambling practices may give you some room to breathe..

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Quote from: tabas on December 25, 2021, 05:13:51 PM

Quote from: ipanks on December 24, 2021, 10:46:38 PM

Quote from: tabas on December 24, 2021, 06:35:34 PM

We have our free will to pursue or not when we see this type of marketing. Anyone can agree to you and as well as not. But if you're the one who has seen it and you're not okay with it, you don't have to actually follow what their ad says. And if you're okay with it, you can also do the same of just ignoring it. You won't lose your fund until you deposit so if you won't do any action of depositing, you're good and just keep your money.

We must have a responsibility to ourselves, especially if that is related to the money we have and not just use it for playing gambling because we see the promotions from the gambling website or other websites. It is all about controlling yourself while you see the ads and if you do not get any effect, you will not use your money to gamble. But I admit that many people are attracted to the site that offers many big things because it is human nature that will tempt them to get something they are not yet had.

We can do with everything that we want if it's regarded to the money that we own. We can gamble if want to. But we can also avoid and ignore it as the usual thing that happens.
Those that have been attracted to offers, that's the goal of those ads and if you're not attracted to it, then that's it. And, you just can't stop the others from being attracted to it. We have the situations that make us attracted and not. They're marketing and that's the main purpose of those ads and if it's coming from an influencer that you like or not, you also have the free will to avoid or not.

Yes, we can not stop the others but we can stop ourselves from the attraction. Hopefully, we will not spend too much money on playing gambling because we have another thing that we need to fill. So that depends on how we act with the offers or the promotions that we see in many places. If we can hold and not tempt playing gambling, we will not go to that place instead just use our time to the other things. So we can say that they can create any ads they want and use many ways to attract people but we need always to be careful and take care of our money.

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Quote from: tabas on December 25, 2021, 05:13:51 PM

Quote from: ipanks on December 24, 2021, 10:46:38 PM

Quote from: tabas on December 24, 2021, 06:35:34 PM

We have our free will to pursue or not when we see this type of marketing. Anyone can agree to you and as well as not. But if you're the one who has seen it and you're not okay with it, you don't have to actually follow what their ad says. And if you're okay with it, you can also do the same of just ignoring it. You won't lose your fund until you deposit so if you won't do any action of depositing, you're good and just keep your money.

We must have a responsibility to ourselves, especially if that is related to the money we have and not just use it for playing gambling because we see the promotions from the gambling website or other websites. It is all about controlling yourself while you see the ads and if you do not get any effect, you will not use your money to gamble. But I admit that many people are attracted to the site that offers many big things because it is human nature that will tempt them to get something they are not yet had.

We can do with everything that we want if it's regarded to the money that we own. We can gamble if want to. But we can also avoid and ignore it as the usual thing that happens.
Those that have been attracted to offers, that's the goal of those ads and if you're not attracted to it, then that's it. And, you just can't stop the others from being attracted to it. We have the situations that make us attracted and not. They're marketing and that's the main purpose of those ads and if it's coming from an influencer that you like or not, you also have the free will to avoid or not.

Common sense is the real deal but other people do really make things tolerable on where they do let their greed control or overcome them which would really result into messing up your finances because you do gamble

out and had been fooled on playing for long time and believing that you could make profits just like on what that influencer did or able to attain.When it comes to fairness then i wont really be having no complaints
into those sites which are fair and reputable or known ones.

Marketing is part and even if its on deceptive part then you should know on how to make out decisions according to that.

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Quote from: ipanks on December 24, 2021, 10:46:38 PM

Quote from: tabas on December 24, 2021, 06:35:34 PM

We have our free will to pursue or not when we see this type of marketing. Anyone can agree to you and as well as not. But if you're the one who has seen it and you're not okay with it, you don't have to actually follow what their ad says. And if you're okay with it, you can also do the same of just ignoring it. You won't lose your fund until you deposit so if you won't do any action of depositing, you're good and just keep your money.

We must have a responsibility to ourselves, especially if that is related to the money we have and not just use it for playing gambling because we see the promotions from the gambling website or other websites. It is all about controlling yourself while you see the ads and if you do not get any effect, you will not use your money to gamble. But I admit that many people are attracted to the site that offers many big things because it is human nature that will tempt them to get something they are not yet had.

We can do with everything that we want if it's regarded to the money that we own. We can gamble if want to. But we can also avoid and ignore it as the usual thing that happens.
Those that have been attracted to offers, that's the goal of those ads and if you're not attracted to it, then that's it. And, you just can't stop the others from being attracted to it. We have the situations that make us attracted and not. They're marketing and that's the main purpose of those ads and if it's coming from an influencer that you like or not, you also have the free will to avoid or not.

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Promotion is one way for a site or company to introduce their products to many people, and in this case streamers have an important role in doing so, not infrequently many sites actually put morality aside just to advance their company or site, for example, such gambling sites that often use beautiful and sexy women as streamers, many casinos that make sexy women an attraction for consumers to join or gamble on their sites so far, but in this case the decision to play or not necessarily depends on our own decisions, so far many gamblers who get caught up in scams just because they believe in what they are advertising all along with the attractiveness of a woman, if logically we think, aren't we looking for really trusted casinos and not looking for women to date, then why should we join casinos just because they showing isn't it a woman?

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Quote from: mu_enrico on December 20, 2021, 08:58:55 AM

F*ckin hell, this debate is still going Cheesy

Beautiful girls advertising/endorsing beauty products is also immoral since they are beautiful since birth and not because of the products.
Nothing 100% honest in the advertisement, and everyone knows streamer is just an entertainer, not a pro gambler.
There is a line in which we can or cannot act since it's in the grey area. Altcoin shill, NFT shill, Play2Earn shill, sponsored slot streamer, even Bitcoin shill is in the same category. I don't encourage the practice, but it's just how the world works.

As to your first comment, it ties in with the infamous "sex sells" advertising idea but that doesn't make it immoral. The only wider and long term solution to defeat this sort of advertising campaign is much more critical thinking being taught in schools from an early age. People need to be able to identify and distinguish the purpose behind what they're seeing. Outside of television shows or movies, almost everything is being driven by money in the form of a product or service. Having a good understanding of finances and trying to avoid a consumerist driven lifestyle can also limit the influence of this type of advertising, because it is often aiming to target the most impulsive viewers.

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Quote from: coin-investor on December 25, 2021, 08:39:18 AM

Quote from: pawanjain on December 25, 2021, 06:06:10 AM

Although marketing in this way is wrong it still doesn't force anybody to start gambling.
Getting attracted to those rewards is kind of obvious but at the end with proper parenting a child won't fall prey for such strategies so easily.

If you're a long time player or into gambling for a long time it will not have an impact on you, some casinos can use deceptive advertisement or marketing but it will not have an effect on you because you already know how the industry works, some casinos are using deceptive marketing because they want to be competitive and want to have large shares of the market, so they will employ any marketing just to entice people to play in their casino.

Deceptive type indeed and if you are someone who are just new into gambling field or doesn't really have much experience then you would really be having a big problem on getting rid of it or does
have the emotions or impressions on what you would gonna do.

Gambling companies would normally be giving out those kind of marketing strategy as long they could able to hook up players then that what matter the most
no matter if they have crossed the border line of being non ethical on general sense but well theres no one to be blame on but only yourself
since you haven't been forced to play on the first place.

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Quote from: pawanjain on December 25, 2021, 06:06:10 AM

Although marketing in this way is wrong it still doesn't force anybody to start gambling.
Getting attracted to those rewards is kind of obvious but at the end with proper parenting a child won't fall prey for such strategies so easily.

If you're a long time player or into gambling for a long time it will not have an impact on you, some casinos can use deceptive advertisement or marketing but it will not have an effect on you because you already know how the industry works, some casinos are using deceptive marketing because they want to be competitive and want to have large shares of the market, so they will employ any marketing just to entice people to play in their casino.

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Quote from: bittraffic on December 25, 2021, 03:52:55 AM

We are going to the age of aggressive marketing actually and although we could just say its marketing strategy, being responsible for the result of it should be considered since we don't know who will see the casinos' marketing videos on youtube. There could be kids who don't really have money of thier own and are still dependent on their parents. If the marketing gives false hope for these kids, they may spend their money, with so little they have, on gambling.

^ These are very common marketing strategies and there are few gambling casinos here doing the same like this, hiring a streamer to upload or to have live video on Youtube with sponsor money whether it is from their own pocket or from the casino itself. In this case, we should guide our children on watching youtube videos, it should not be related to gambling because once they become curious about it this will lead them to gambling addiction.
At least we know and we are aware of it so that it can be avoided, sooner or later those streamers nobody will watch because we know that everything they broadcast is fake.

You are right. Actually it's the same with every other thing on the internet whether it be porn, drugs or gambling.
Being the parent of a child it's their responsibility to keep an eye on what their child is doing and if the child does goes in the wrong direction then the parent has to guide him the right way.
Although marketing in this way is wrong it still doesn't force anybody to start gambling.
Getting attracted to those rewards is kind of obvious but at the end with proper parenting a child won't fall prey for such strategies so easily.

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Quote from: bittraffic on December 25, 2021, 03:52:55 AM

We are going to the age of aggressive marketing actually and although we could just say its marketing strategy, being responsible for the result of it should be considered since we don't know who will see the casinos' marketing videos on youtube. There could be kids who don't really have money of thier own and are still dependent on their parents. If the marketing gives false hope for these kids, they may spend their money, with so little they have, on gambling.

^ These are very common marketing strategies and there are few gambling casinos here doing the same like this, hiring a streamer to upload or to have live video on Youtube with sponsor money whether it is from their own pocket or from the casino itself. In this case, we should guide our children on watching youtube videos, it should not be related to gambling because once they become curious about it this will lead them to gambling addiction.
At least we know and we are aware of it so that it can be avoided, sooner or later those streamers nobody will watch because we know that everything they broadcast is fake.

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Quote from: Desmong on December 24, 2021, 06:02:44 AM

A marketing strategy and you are okay with it? What of if you end up being scammed or moreover, you lost your fund through this kind of marketing strategy due to your weakness and ignorance to do thorough research before jumping on the hyped information. We all need to be guided to avoid later regret which is the reason why the internet is there to make thorough research.

Then that's you being idk, what might be a better term to use other than dumb? In the first place, a scam and a legitimate business are two different things, it's just that it's up to you to differentiate between the two. Now, as for losing money through these kinds of marketing strategies, well that's the point see. Marketing strategies are there to make you spend money, to make you their customer so that you can spend money for them to earn, easy as that. Now if you're complaining about that, idk man, it's mostly your fault ngl. It's pretty dumb to blame an advertisement for YOUR decision. Your the one making the decisions for your life, not the strategy.

So you are suggesting that it is completely okay to mislead players?

Please. It's not like this is something that is just normal marketing.

There is significant deception when it comes to giving streamers money and getting them as much as they need in order for them to paint a glorified picture of winnings.

We are going to the age of aggressive marketing actually and although we could just say its marketing strategy, being responsible for the result of it should be considered since we don't know who will see the casinos' marketing videos on youtube. There could be kids who don't really have money of thier own and are still dependent on their parents. If the marketing gives false hope for these kids, they may spend their money, with so little they have, on gambling.

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