Topic: VLT | Veltor | Donar Network | Minimalism. (Read 141346 times)

There will be no more engagement with anyone making threats from my side, and I will encourage everyone else to do the same.

We will keep working on our vision in silence. There is no good reason to expose well intentioned people dedicating their free time to such abuse.

If there is reason to believe, at any time, that anyone unrelated to this situation is at real risk, we will shut down the whole project in a heartbeat.

The original developer left, but it wasn't Jason. Like we announced, Jason was just a figurehead for a team of people who wanted to experiment a bit with blockchain technology. I stumbled upon the project and found the vision fascinating, so I started getting more and more involved. I guess it's fair to say I took a bit of a leadership role, but the organization of the team is rather organic; you determine your own level of involvment.

The reason why we decided to involve the previous project at all was because of the community members that we do treasure and that we did want to keep around. The people that are supporting us, even through these hard times. Those who understand the big picture and the vision behind the project. Who have helped us with their advice and feedback over the months. We did not want to disappoint them, even though it put us in a hard spot.

The moment you, all of you, started attacking and applauding an attack on people that have nothing to do with what is happening, you lost any moral high ground that you thought you might have had.

Like I have said before, the main people behind the project are me and Alex. I do not work for Reborn anymore.

Antoine is a person I met through work and who offered his help with marketing.
Julien is the same and was thinking about looking at the code to possibly contribute.
Sergii is actually the first developer to contribute some code to the repository on Github.

All three of them have nothing to do with the leadership of the project and with the decision on the ICO. They were volunteers, like all of us, that were considering contributing some of their free time to a project they thought was interesting. Bringing them into this is a new low point, even if I doubt someone will care about your baseless accusations. It is way out of line and if you have any decency as a human being, you will remove the information about them from the thread.

It's unfathomable to me how people here can applaud this kind of behaviour, going after people in their private lives, and somehow think they are on the right side of this story. It's disgraceful and I'm deeply disappointed in the community for supporting this attitude even for a second.

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so his linkedin page says he worked at "Etix everywhere" until April, 2017 and now he is founder of Alantor since may 2017 – Aujourd’hui (1 mois)Luxembourg http://www.alantor.com/ .it seems to be down atm, but company is about blockchain investments.. how ironic

this is his linkedin page

https://lu.linkedin.com/in/max-wolter-60135871

aha....

so it does make sense then....

was probably John Connor and now these idiots are trying to salvage whatever they can by doing some stupid ICO to line their own pockets.

List these threats you have received?

The strongest I see here are that you will be having your actions analysed. Is this a worrying threat to you?

If they are analysed at this point i assume you will become a pariah.

Why not open an reasonable dialogue with the community?

If you are willing to negotiate that is all the better for you and any future project you intend on releasing.

I hate whiny people who cry about getting threatened because factual accounts of their behaviour will be examined.

Going after? is this what analysing factual observable events is called.

If they were at risk (what they are at risk of nobody knows other than having their actions analysed) would not shutting it down inspire simply more interest in them since they could be seen as the cause of it getting shut down. You would be intentionally make it worse for these friends of yours?
Nobody seems interested in them.
You listed their names here, someone else relisted their names here? I see no interest in them further that that really at this point.

People only seem interested in getting a fair deal.

I mean these are genuine questions from some one that is only interested in appreciating your POV a little more and trying to understand your side of things.

HEY! Lets back off for a second here. Nobody is more mad than me, I have a huge amount of Veltor that is now worth practically nothing. I have been talking to Max and he is willing to negotiate but only if all the threats and chasing after related people stops so lets give him a while and see.

Just curious, so the original dev has left?
I thinking the whole community is really confused.
Since the ICO you are planning does not give 1 to 1 for holders of VLT, like almost all the other projects did, why hijack a project that survived only because of the community that believed in the original vision of the original dev?
Also you seemed to be appalled by the communities backlash, which you inflamed it by being very rude.

Wrong. attacking those trying to scam people and those associated or considering supporting such actions is the correct action to take.

You can't really be debating moral high ground right now can you?

Best to focus on the main issue and admit that you are not going to get away with reducing peoples share from 100% to 5%

You don't promise one thing then change it that is called telling a lie, deception and scamming.

So again are you sticking to your 5% or are you going to come up with something more sensible? yes or no?

You do realise I hope that you don't get to put the genie back in the bottle once a full out scam thread is started about this project and the people involved it will not really be reversible. Every detail of your past will be gone through with a fine comb there are scam hunters here than can turn up stuff you have forgotten about.

If you have a good project and the skill to execute it then I suggest you wise up and offer something of reasonable worth to the community.

Once you are a pariah that is it there is no second chances anything you ever do and it all gets dredged up again over and over.

Nobody has even started looking into you guys properly yet at all. If you have any other skeletons they will be use for maximum impact too. This is not a threat this is a fact. If you have previous history of stunts like this then they will be put under the microscope for all to analyse in detail.

Do the right thing and offer something sensible people are tired of getting scammed here and they are quick to hand out the scam tag especially to those that say 1.1 then reduce that to a 20th and cause a market crash.

Projects and people have been made pariahs here for far far less i can assure you.

You talking about moral man? Please have some shame in your damn face.

lol your actions probably caused a lot of people to lose a lot of their investment in their private lives....as things stand

you have obviously no experience of this board.

you will see that many people will care about the prior treatment of your investors and supporters here

this board can be an amazing asset or a major nightmare

simply offer something sensible else regardless of what you believe the crypto arena is now closed to you

I fear your disappointment is only just starting.

Are you determined to hold to your 5% offer? if so just say so now so we can waste no further time here and start the ball rolling to ensure the ICO and future projects from any of these people is now going to be met with huge resistance from the outset.

Or are you starting to realise it is better to offer a more sensible share to those that supported you and your project from the start?

oh look.....

the greedy little faggot who just fucked over his investors is talking about "human decency"....

 

Investing to a foundation via ICO that is handled though lawyers doesn't guarantee the team will deliver anything, so yeah, essentially I don't see a difference from the investors point of view (and not an anonymous coin, the team "had" a roadmap and they revealed their identities)

The price per VLT when they decided to change the rules from 1:1 to 20:1 was around $1 (and it was above that for the most time since April, where it has had some volume, so where we can assume most of investors bought), with an evaluation of $5M, VLT should account for a minimum of 10% to match that price, so something around 20% would send a message of "we do care and want to protect those who believed in us in first place".

If they continue with the ICO, the percentage will be a reflection of how much they care about the community, anything lower than 10% means "we are greedy as fuck and we don't give a shit about all those who supported us when we had nothing to show for", 10% to 20% means "we are greedy but understand that without you we are risking not making tons of cash" and above 20% means "we need money to make our project a reality with you" ...

You know they certainly wouldn't want Gleb brought in on this too. That guy can find out any weasel antics you've ever done.

ICO won't work and they know it. I don't believe they are that stupid.
Can you imagine what will happen during ICO launch? All people will talk about is scam and they will present facts after facts. I mean these guys have very rich resume when it comes to ripping off investors. You will hardly see anything else discussed on that thread.  

I felt insulted with that 5% offer to old investors and the dumping action before, that lead VLT value to nothing like we were all retards and would not realise what was going on.

But I know many are still seeing if they can somehow make this work to dimish their losses.

And for those I'm willing to see what they can bring before that 24h mark and see if the price somehow gets near previous dump.

oh.. one of them woke up