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sr. member
Activity: 560
Merit: 252
The least that can be said about me is that I do not understand the community and that I completely underestimated the intensity of the reaction. So, for my part, I believe I should get back to doing what I know: delivering value for the project.

I want to leave you with one final thought.

Imagine we deliver a working prototype with a test network that has a lightning network that is technically clearly superior to the Bitcoin LN.
Imagine we present a road map that shows that we know exactly where we are going and how to get there.
Imagine we publish a white paper that illustrates that we know what we are doing and that the approach is groundbreaking.
Imagine we sign partnerships with some of the world leading blockchain researchers.

and no religion too...

People already lost a lot of money because of your actions. You can't right this wrong. Now go back to your cave and let us spread the word around

It isn't a loss until you sell. You shouldn't blame others for your losses when it's you pushing the buy and sell button.
FYI I have not sold anything. Cause price is so low it won't make any difference. If I had a chance to sell for 50% I would in a blink of an eye. And don't try to blame this on poor investors who were forced to sell with huge loss.
hero member
Activity: 826
Merit: 1000
The least that can be said about me is that I do not understand the community and that I completely underestimated the intensity of the reaction. So, for my part, I believe I should get back to doing what I know: delivering value for the project.

I want to leave you with one final thought.

Imagine we deliver a working prototype with a test network that has a lightning network that is technically clearly superior to the Bitcoin LN.
Imagine we present a road map that shows that we know exactly where we are going and how to get there.
Imagine we publish a white paper that illustrates that we know what we are doing and that the approach is groundbreaking.
Imagine we sign partnerships with some of the world leading blockchain researchers.

and no religion too...

People already lost a lot of money because of your actions. You can't right this wrong. Now go back to your cave and let us spread the word around

It isn't a loss until you sell. You shouldn't blame others for your losses when it's you pushing the buy and sell button.
member
Activity: 109
Merit: 10
You're very naive now if you think you can bait and switch with 5% only. That is verging on just foolish I'm afraid.
Some scams can get away with a dirty past if they are huge already before full pressure is applied.
Sadly this one is hardly off of the ground and will be swatted down and crushed before it takes deep root.

I mean 50% is even a total bait and switch but livable if the white paper is outstanding.
25% you would have the odd supporter
5%= paid shills only to support this move and a bunch of scammed investors looking for revenge.

Rethink it now before digging yourself into a corner from which you can not get out of.

I would suggest now this second coming up with a far better offer.

I would also suggest noting down the usernames here of all that are giving this 5% offer the time of day and not calling it out for the scam move it is

I would note them down in a list because they are obviously shills and puppet accounts. Then review their post history and see what you can find out.

+1

It's clear that you're effectively killing your chances of a successful future funding drive.

The team continues to refuse to even entertain the idea of any sort of compromise. Why?

Because they OTC the greater part of their VLT holdings and its uselss for them now, new token value increase is what they are looking for as they will not only want 5 to 20 million in funds but also to hold 20% of new total coin suply.

They are not only ripping old investors but making sure they have enought for every one of them of whats to come.
legendary
Activity: 2982
Merit: 1149
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Quote from: cryptohunter

I mean 50% is even a total bait and switch but livable if the white paper is outstanding.
25% you would have the odd supporter
5%= paid shills only to support this move and a bunch of scammed investors looking for revenge.


Rethink it now before digging yourself into a corner from which you can not get out of.

I would suggest now this second coming up with a far better offer.
Quote from: o48o
On what kind of marketcaps have you thowing these numbers? Sounds like your goal would be having instant 100x for an ico invest. IMHO people would not give a shit about the 5% if the price was not currently dumped.
Quote from: cryptohunter
LOl yeah nobody would care about having their total stake in a coins minting reduced to 5% of what they thought it was initially. Why would they care?  why would that possibly crash the fucking market to perhaps 5% of its previous cap? you are saying that if they thought their investment retained the same usd value they should shut up and take it. But the upside just went down 20x? this is not an investment made in a vacuum there are other project the same investors compared and factored in the rules as they were not now the cap now has to achieve 20x higher than they dreamed it would to afford the same returns. Your investors are your supporters. These fools have no foresight. Those that are very very confident try to undersell their ico so they can retain the max tokens themselves because they know they make magnitudes more in the end.

People are investing at 100k sats because they probably believed eventually with the big dreams and talk here it would end up a 20M + cap coin and their stake in that was exactly as they were told it was at the outset not 5% of that.

The transition from bitcoindark to komodo was fairer and this should be the model here.
These people have no clue how crypto work. These are rank amateurs who are creating a total clusterfuck from a project that had a few people quite interested.

This is bait and switch pure and simple. You simply do not pull shit like this without the community consent.
So anyway let's review this in 24 hours if they still intend to insult their supporters with 5% then let's start to crush VLT and their future projects for good on here.


Let me ask it again, if you are throwing numbers like 50% what are your numbers based on? I mean everyone in here just seem to want more without even trying to tell how would they do it.
sr. member
Activity: 560
Merit: 252
The least that can be said about me is that I do not understand the community and that I completely underestimated the intensity of the reaction. So, for my part, I believe I should get back to doing what I know: delivering value for the project.

I want to leave you with one final thought.

Imagine we deliver a working prototype with a test network that has a lightning network that is technically clearly superior to the Bitcoin LN.
Imagine we present a road map that shows that we know exactly where we are going and how to get there.
Imagine we publish a white paper that illustrates that we know what we are doing and that the approach is groundbreaking.
Imagine we sign partnerships with some of the world leading blockchain researchers.

How would that affect your perception of the situation? Of our decision?

This is our vision for the project.

I hope we will regain at least some of the trust that some of the investors have lost due to a lack of communication on our side.

Thank you everyone for all the time you put in to share your frustrations, and a special thank you for all the kind and supportive private messages.

It would induce me to crush your ICO if a fair package was not offered to those supporters who supported you from the outset.

Make a more reasonable offer because you are going to waste a golden opportunity if you really have the potential to produce what you claim. A poor reputation can do so much damage to a project it is quite unthinkable that you would not at least make a more sensible offer to prevent this.


These guys are not exactly bright when it comes to social skills, management, long term planning, finances etc etc. As far as I'm concerned their only skill might be coding. If they had the ability to be sensible, they would not scam so many people for a quick profit.  So why bother asking them to wise up now? They would if they could. It is complete waste of time if you ask me.
sr. member
Activity: 597
Merit: 253
... and the swarm is headed towards us
You're very naive now if you think you can bait and switch with 5% only. That is verging on just foolish I'm afraid.
Some scams can get away with a dirty past if they are huge already before full pressure is applied.
Sadly this one is hardly off of the ground and will be swatted down and crushed before it takes deep root.

I mean 50% is even a total bait and switch but livable if the white paper is outstanding.
25% you would have the odd supporter
5%= paid shills only to support this move and a bunch of scammed investors looking for revenge.

Rethink it now before digging yourself into a corner from which you can not get out of.

I would suggest now this second coming up with a far better offer.

I would also suggest noting down the usernames here of all that are giving this 5% offer the time of day and not calling it out for the scam move it is

I would note them down in a list because they are obviously shills and puppet accounts. Then review their post history and see what you can find out.

+1

It's clear that you're effectively killing your chances of a successful future funding drive.

The team continues to refuse to even entertain the idea of any sort of compromise. Why?
sr. member
Activity: 686
Merit: 320
The least that can be said about me is that I do not understand the community and that I completely underestimated the intensity of the reaction. So, for my part, I believe I should get back to doing what I know: delivering value for the project.

I want to leave you with one final thought.

Imagine we deliver a working prototype with a test network that has a lightning network that is technically clearly superior to the Bitcoin LN.
Imagine we present a road map that shows that we know exactly where we are going and how to get there.
Imagine we publish a white paper that illustrates that we know what we are doing and that the approach is groundbreaking.
Imagine we sign partnerships with some of the world leading blockchain researchers.

How would that affect your perception of the situation? Of our decision?

This is our vision for the project.

I hope we will regain at least some of the trust that some of the investors have lost due to a lack of communication on our side.

Thank you everyone for all the time you put in to share your frustrations, and a special thank you for all the kind and supportive private messages.
You've lost the trust and are getting slammed because of screwing people over with the whole 5% thing, not because of "communications".

Until I can see an actual white paper etc I certainly won't have any comment on the "vision". I suspect I know what I'm going to see in it which I believe will mean the coin won't be "decentralized" and will have a variety of attack vectors unaddressed. I would be pleasantly surprised if that wasn't the case but given the ICO parameters I suspect I'm correct.

I'm a technical person looking for something that solves crypto problems/flaws (the "perfect" crypto coin) as opposed to some coin who's purpose is just to make people money. Frankly, I'd love to find something I could actually get involved with but that is proving to be extremely elusive.
legendary
Activity: 2100
Merit: 1167
MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
The least that can be said about me is that I do not understand the community and that I completely underestimated the intensity of the reaction. So, for my part, I believe I should get back to doing what I know: delivering value for the project.

I want to leave you with one final thought.

Imagine we deliver a working prototype with a test network that has a lightning network that is technically clearly superior to the Bitcoin LN.
Imagine we present a road map that shows that we know exactly where we are going and how to get there.
Imagine we publish a white paper that illustrates that we know what we are doing and that the approach is groundbreaking.
Imagine we sign partnerships with some of the world leading blockchain researchers.

and no religion too...

People already lost a lot of money because of your actions. You can't right this wrong. Now go back to your cave and let us spread the word around

Well they can make it right. Announce a road map/white paper with a 50% or more reasonable share for original holders price will recover and ICO can actually be highly successful if they have what they claim.

However no project no matter how amazing is above serious damage and limitation due to proven unfair treatment of previous investors and supporters.
legendary
Activity: 2100
Merit: 1167
MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
The least that can be said about me is that I do not understand the community and that I completely underestimated the intensity of the reaction. So, for my part, I believe I should get back to doing what I know: delivering value for the project.

I want to leave you with one final thought.

Imagine we deliver a working prototype with a test network that has a lightning network that is technically clearly superior to the Bitcoin LN.
Imagine we present a road map that shows that we know exactly where we are going and how to get there.
Imagine we publish a white paper that illustrates that we know what we are doing and that the approach is groundbreaking.
Imagine we sign partnerships with some of the world leading blockchain researchers.

How would that affect your perception of the situation? Of our decision?

This is our vision for the project.

I hope we will regain at least some of the trust that some of the investors have lost due to a lack of communication on our side.

Thank you everyone for all the time you put in to share your frustrations, and a special thank you for all the kind and supportive private messages.

It would induce me to crush your ICO if a fair package was not offered to those supporters who supported you from the outset.

Make a more reasonable offer because you are going to waste a golden opportunity if you really have the potential to produce what you claim. A poor reputation can do so much damage to a project it is quite unthinkable that you would not at least make a more sensible offer to prevent this.

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so they did sell..... Roll Eyes

that's 2 BTC that went down the drain for me personally.

thank god I did not go balls deep as I was intending to....
sr. member
Activity: 560
Merit: 252
The least that can be said about me is that I do not understand the community and that I completely underestimated the intensity of the reaction. So, for my part, I believe I should get back to doing what I know: delivering value for the project.

I want to leave you with one final thought.

Imagine we deliver a working prototype with a test network that has a lightning network that is technically clearly superior to the Bitcoin LN.
Imagine we present a road map that shows that we know exactly where we are going and how to get there.
Imagine we publish a white paper that illustrates that we know what we are doing and that the approach is groundbreaking.
Imagine we sign partnerships with some of the world leading blockchain researchers.

and no religion too...

People already lost a lot of money because of your actions. You can't right this wrong. Now go back to your cave and let us spread the word around
legendary
Activity: 2100
Merit: 1167
MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
I only had a little bit of a look, but after seeing the number of projects (4 that I looked at, I'm sure there's many more) you said were "honest" and/or the "real thing" and you promoted/hyped etc that then ended up screwing everyone over and dead, I have to say that you being part of any project is a massive detriment and just serves to even strengthen the case that it will end up being some sort of pump and dump/scam.

But whatever, people around here will bend over for you if you tell them what they want to hear. As I said before, good luck to anyone foolish enough to roll the dice on this project.

PS. I can't wait to see who peer reviews this. I have a list of a few I suspect will be used. This will be fun to watch.

I was very naive back then and really didn't understand what I was doing.
I have learned a lot since then. And yes, back then I did stuff I am not proud of. I think most of us have done things in the past they aren't proud of.
Only through failure you learn and saying because of failure the next project won't succeed is contradicting itself. Its a toxic mentality in my opinion and the only people who suffer with that are the ones who don't allow them self to fail and thus never really progress and learn in life.

You're very naive now if you think you can bait and switch with 5% only. That is verging on just foolish I'm afraid.
Some scams can get away with a dirty past if they are huge already before full pressure is applied.
Sadly this one is hardly off of the ground and will be swatted down and crushed before it takes deep root.

I mean 50% is even a total bait and switch but livable if the white paper is outstanding.
25% you would have the odd supporter
5%= paid shills only to support this move and a bunch of scammed investors looking for revenge.

Rethink it now before digging yourself into a corner from which you can not get out of.

I would suggest now this second coming up with a far better offer.

On what kind of marketcaps have you thowing these numbers? Sounds like your goal would be having instant 100x for an ico invest. IMHO people would not give a shit about the 5% if the price was not currently dumped.


LOl yeah nobody would care about having their total stake in a coins minting reduced to 5% of what they thought it was initially. Why would they care?  why would that possibly crash the fucking market to perhaps 5% of its previous cap? you are saying that if they thought their investment retained the same usd value they should shut up and take it. But the upside just went down 20x? this is not an investment made in a vacuum there are other project the same investors compared and factored in the rules as they were not now the cap now has to achieve 20x higher than they dreamed it would to afford the same returns. Your investors are your supporters. These fools have no foresight. Those that are very very confident try to undersell their ico so they can retain the max tokens themselves because they know they make magnitudes more in the end.

People are investing at 100k sats because they probably believed eventually with the big dreams and talk here it would end up a 20M + cap coin and their stake in that was exactly as they were told it was at the outset not 5% of that.

The transition from bitcoindark to komodo was fairer and this should be the model here.

These people have no clue how crypto work. These are rank amateurs who are creating a total clusterfuck from a project that had a few people quite interested.





This is bait and switch pure and simple. You simply do not pull shit like this without the community consent.

So anyway let's review this in 24 hours if they still intend to insult their supporters with 5% then let's start to crush VLT and their future projects for good on here.


sr. member
Activity: 560
Merit: 252
we should start raise awareness campaign. We owe it to cryptocommunity. Opening a thread here is not enough. we also need to get articles published on some of the websites like https://satoshiwatch.com/
So if  anyone googles these scumbags will know who they are and what they've done
full member
Activity: 294
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THAT'S THE OTHER SCAMMING TWAT




Yes, that is me in our company office in Luxembourg. I have been working on that company for over 3 years now and learned a lot in terms of engineering, manufacturing and management. I definitely got the right tools and knowledge to guide the Veltor Foundation through any hardware projects and management in general.

you might have the "right tools and knowledge" but what you haven't got is the TRUSTof would be investors nor can you profess to have any

CREDIBILITY after this fiasco.

Your REPUTATION is gone.

The only people who will tell you otherwise are your shills or some idiots who liked to get fucked without any lube by egomaniacs like you and "Max"

 Roll Eyes
hero member
Activity: 517
Merit: 502
THAT'S THE OTHER SCAMMING TWAT




Yes, that is me in our company office in Luxembourg. I have been working on that company for over 3 years now and learned a lot in terms of engineering, manufacturing and management. I definitely got the right tools and knowledge to guide the Veltor Foundation through any hardware projects and management in general.
full member
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Dev's just posted their wallets to prove they didn't dump anything.


Hey you fucking shill.

did you miss the part where he says that "these are the team addresses THAT I'AM AWARE OF"

you silly fucking muppet.

some of you are desperate to salvage whatever you can.

not all of us are blind fucking fools..... Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 2100
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MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
Give them 24hours to come up with a better offer. Else we start a full on scam alert campaign on the main board. VLT will be a pariah once we get started on it. ICO dreams of millions will be limited to how many fake BTC they can send themselves to make it appear there are people crazy enough to trust these types with their crypto wealth.

Starting now. I hope you guys are not going to give up and just let these guys fuck you over this hard.

You need will power and determination to hound these types and don't let up. Troll them into the ground until they are forced to hide under the rocks from whence they came. They will be done in crypto after this.

full member
Activity: 184
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Hahahaha

What a story Cheesy So when I mention that whole story about Veltor is scam you people almost crucified me Cheesy ahahahahahaha
hero member
Activity: 585
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THAT'S THE OTHER SCAMMING TWAT




Good they have a face. And as it sounds they have obligations torwards the foundation so now they can be sued given the evidence they dumped on ealier investors.



Dev's just posted their wallets to prove they didn't dump anything.
member
Activity: 109
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I only had a little bit of a look, but after seeing the number of projects (4 that I looked at, I'm sure there's many more) you said were "honest" and/or the "real thing" and you promoted/hyped etc that then ended up screwing everyone over and dead, I have to say that you being part of any project is a massive detriment and just serves to even strengthen the case that it will end up being some sort of pump and dump/scam.

But whatever, people around here will bend over for you if you tell them what they want to hear. As I said before, good luck to anyone foolish enough to roll the dice on this project.

PS. I can't wait to see who peer reviews this. I have a list of a few I suspect will be used. This will be fun to watch.

I was very naive back then and really didn't understand what I was doing.
I have learned a lot since then. And yes, back then I did stuff I am not proud of. I think most of us have done things in the past they aren't proud of.
Only through failure you learn and saying because of failure the next project won't succeed is contradicting itself. Its a toxic mentality in my opinion and the only people who suffer with that are the ones who don't allow them self to fail and thus never really progress and learn in life.

You're very naive now if you think you can bait and switch with 5% only. That is verging on just foolish I'm afraid.
Some scams can get away with a dirty past if they are huge already before full pressure is applied.
Sadly this one is hardly off of the ground and will be swatted down and crushed before it takes deep root.

I mean 50% is even a total bait and switch but livable if the white paper is outstanding.
25% you would have the odd supporter
5%= paid shills only to support this move and a bunch of scammed investors looking for revenge.

Rethink it now before digging yourself into a corner from which you can not get out of.

I would suggest now this second coming up with a far better offer.

On what kind of marketcaps have you thowing these numbers? Sounds like your goal would be having instant 100x for an ico invest. IMHO people would not give a shit about the 5% if the price was not currently dumped.


And was dumped because of whom? Have you seen the damn prints where they were selling OTC on May 3? How their buddies knew this and were dumping as many as 25k VLT at a time?
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