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Quote from: cryptohunter on May 15, 2017, 07:20:10 AM

Quote from: Mr. Net on May 15, 2017, 06:56:10 AM

Quote from: Viper1 on May 15, 2017, 06:46:52 AM

I only had a little bit of a look, but after seeing the number of projects (4 that I looked at, I'm sure there's many more) you said were "honest" and/or the "real thing" and you promoted/hyped etc that then ended up screwing everyone over and dead, I have to say that you being part of any project is a massive detriment and just serves to even strengthen the case that it will end up being some sort of pump and dump/scam.

But whatever, people around here will bend over for you if you tell them what they want to hear. As I said before, good luck to anyone foolish enough to roll the dice on this project.

PS. I can't wait to see who peer reviews this. I have a list of a few I suspect will be used. This will be fun to watch.

I was very naive back then and really didn't understand what I was doing.
I have learned a lot since then. And yes, back then I did stuff I am not proud of. I think most of us have done things in the past they aren't proud of.
Only through failure you learn and saying because of failure the next project won't succeed is contradicting itself. Its a toxic mentality in my opinion and the only people who suffer with that are the ones who don't allow them self to fail and thus never really progress and learn in life.

You're very naive now if you think you can bait and switch with 5% only. That is verging on just foolish I'm afraid.
Some scams can get away with a dirty past if they are huge already before full pressure is applied.
Sadly this one is hardly off of the ground and will be swatted down and crushed before it takes deep root.

I mean 50% is even a total bait and switch but livable if the white paper is outstanding.
25% you would have the odd supporter
5%= paid shills only to support this move and a bunch of scammed investors looking for revenge.

Rethink it now before digging yourself into a corner from which you can not get out of.

I would suggest now this second coming up with a far better offer.

On what kind of marketcaps have you thowing these numbers? Sounds like your goal would be having instant 100x for an ico invest. IMHO people would not give a shit about the 5% if the price was not currently dumped.

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Quote from: Hunterwolfie on May 15, 2017, 07:21:08 AM

THAT'S THE OTHER SCAMMING TWAT

Good they have a face. And as it sounds they have obligations torwards the foundation so now they can be sued given the evidence they dumped on ealier investors.

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THAT'S THE OTHER SCAMMING TWAT

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Quote from: Mr. Net on May 15, 2017, 06:56:10 AM

Quote from: Viper1 on May 15, 2017, 06:46:52 AM

I only had a little bit of a look, but after seeing the number of projects (4 that I looked at, I'm sure there's many more) you said were "honest" and/or the "real thing" and you promoted/hyped etc that then ended up screwing everyone over and dead, I have to say that you being part of any project is a massive detriment and just serves to even strengthen the case that it will end up being some sort of pump and dump/scam.

But whatever, people around here will bend over for you if you tell them what they want to hear. As I said before, good luck to anyone foolish enough to roll the dice on this project.

PS. I can't wait to see who peer reviews this. I have a list of a few I suspect will be used. This will be fun to watch.

I was very naive back then and really didn't understand what I was doing.
I have learned a lot since then. And yes, back then I did stuff I am not proud of. I think most of us have done things in the past they aren't proud of.
Only through failure you learn and saying because of failure the next project won't succeed is contradicting itself. Its a toxic mentality in my opinion and the only people who suffer with that are the ones who don't allow them self to fail and thus never really progress and learn in life.

You're very naive now if you think you can bait and switch with 5% only. That is verging on just foolish I'm afraid.
Some scams can get away with a dirty past if they are huge already before full pressure is applied.
Sadly this one is hardly off of the ground and will be swatted down and crushed before it takes deep root.

I mean 50% is even a total bait and switch but livable if the white paper is outstanding.
25% you would have the odd supporter
5%= paid shills only to support this move and a bunch of scammed investors looking for revenge.

Rethink it now before digging yourself into a corner from which you can not get out of.

I would suggest now this second coming up with a far better offer.

I would also suggest noting down the usernames here of all that are giving this 5% offer the time of day and not calling it out for the scam move it is

I would note them down in a list because they are obviously shills and puppet accounts. Then review their post history and see what you can find out.

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Quote from: Hunterwolfie on May 15, 2017, 07:11:17 AM

Quote from: o48o on May 15, 2017, 06:27:58 AM

It can be debated what vlt tokens should be worth on the ico swap when people are coming in throwing real money and real value to the project. How high would you take it? Please if you think you have found a perfect ratio, don't be shy and tell us how you got there. Maybe you have a better idea and they will adopt it.

5 % is a slap in the face you fucking faggot shill.

You're obviously used to getting fucked over you brown nosing cunt.

Only retards like yourself would contribute to this scam ICO.

Go fuck yourself you faggot.

You sound like you need a hug.

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Quote from: cryptohunter on May 15, 2017, 07:09:37 AM

what these imbeciles dont realise is that with the community here not sabotaging any and all future projects by these two they would raise magnitudes more.

50% or we will make your ICO and project a pariah on this board. It really is that simple.

You may as well sell these accounts here now because they are just going to be red flags for scams from now on.

Mr.Net. That username has been noted down now as bait and switch scammer.

If this community has any will power they will make it their goal to crush this project and find out all previous from these people and use that as leverage too.

Imagine the poor soles buying this bait and switch scam for 100k sats plus and it goes to 6k sats because they change the rules once they dumped their bags.

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Quote from: Hunterwolfie on May 15, 2017, 05:18:53 AM

For the record, that photo is me getting second price at the Thomson Reuters HackETHon in London with our team.
We built a fully automated Ethereum sandbox that allowed you to write an invariant smart contract and a bounty contract for one of your deployed smart contracts.
If you can then write an exploit smart contract that breaks any of the invariants, you are automatically paid the bounty on the blockchain.
This could have been used to completely avoid the disaster that was the DAO ICO and code bug.
The people from the Ethereum foundation liked our project a lot.
It was a pretty awesome hackathon.

Wow that's some impressive accomplishment mr!!!

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Quote from: cryptohunter on May 15, 2017, 07:09:37 AM

what these imbeciles dont realise is that with the community here not sabotaging any and all future projects by these two they would raise magnitudes more.

50% or we will make your ICO and project a pariah on this board. It really is that simple.

You may as well sell these accounts here now because they are just going to be red flags for scams from now on.

Mr.Net. That username has been noted down now as bait and switch scammer.

If this community has any will power they will make it their goal to crush this project and find out all previous from these people and use that as leverage too.

Imagine the poor soles buying this bait and switch scam for 100k sats plus and it goes to 6k sats because they change the rules once they dumped their bags.

This.

For me, at this moment, they could even make a 1 : 1 swap that I won't stop spreading what they are. SCAMERS!

Veltor TEAM started dumping VLT in MAY 3 and since then price was shatered because of this decison and many did know with priviledge info and were selling. And some of us beeing fooled as to this dump was linked to BTC strenght.

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Quote from: o48o on May 15, 2017, 06:27:58 AM

It can be debated what vlt tokens should be worth on the ico swap when people are coming in throwing real money and real value to the project. How high would you take it? Please if you think you have found a perfect ratio, don't be shy and tell us how you got there. Maybe you have a better idea and they will adopt it.

5 % is a slap in the face you fucking faggot shill.

You're obviously used to getting fucked over you brown nosing cunt.

Only retards like yourself would contribute to this scam ICO.

Go fuck yourself you faggot.

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what these imbeciles dont realise is that with the community here not sabotaging any and all future projects by these two they would raise magnitudes more.

50% or we will make your ICO and project a pariah on this board. It really is that simple.

You may as well sell these accounts here now because they are just going to be red flags for scams from now on.

Mr.Net. That username has been noted down now as bait and switch scammer.

If this community has any will power they will make it their goal to crush this project and find out all previous from these people and use that as leverage too.

Imagine the poor soles buying this bait and switch scam for 100k sats plus and it goes to 6k sats because they change the rules once they dumped their bags.

KKbit

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Quote from: Hunterwolfie on May 15, 2017, 05:18:53 AM

Their team is trying to smoooth the things showing them all up here.

Don't be naive they dumped VELTOR because they knew this ICO decision would bring price down.

SCAMMERS

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Quote from: Viper1 on May 15, 2017, 06:46:52 AM

I only had a little bit of a look, but after seeing the number of projects (4 that I looked at, I'm sure there's many more) you said were "honest" and/or the "real thing" and you promoted/hyped etc that then ended up screwing everyone over and dead, I have to say that you being part of any project is a massive detriment and just serves to even strengthen the case that it will end up being some sort of pump and dump/scam.

But whatever, people around here will bend over for you if you tell them what they want to hear. As I said before, good luck to anyone foolish enough to roll the dice on this project.

PS. I can't wait to see who peer reviews this. I have a list of a few I suspect will be used. This will be fun to watch.

I was very naive back then and really didn't understand what I was doing.
I have learned a lot since then. And yes, back then I did stuff I am not proud of. I think most of us have done things in the past they aren't proud of.
Only through failure you learn and saying because of failure the next project won't succeed is contradicting itself. Its a toxic mentality in my opinion and the only people who suffer with that are the ones who don't allow them self to fail and thus never really progress and learn in life.

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Quote from: Mr. Net on May 15, 2017, 06:26:27 AM

Quote from: Viper1 on May 15, 2017, 04:19:43 AM

Quote from: Mr. Net on May 15, 2017, 03:52:21 AM

Quote from: Viper1 on May 15, 2017, 03:29:52 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

...snip...

Not going to bother responding directly to all of that as most of it is just blathering away with things that, at the end of the day, are meaningless.

At some point there was a significant change in the manner in which the team communicated with the community. It suddenly became "polished" which is not something you typically see from developers, but rather from organized groups. Despite all the supposed work that has been done, there is not even a preliminary white paper or any sort of "detailed" outline of the technical plans... Instead, there's a post about how there's going to be a piece of hardware people can buy, and the following week an announcement of an ICO. For those of us that have been around here awhile, it all starts to smell like the project is in the hands of a pump and dump type group as opposed to real developers. Developers who believe they're creating something revolutionary etc are more interested in communicating that vision and getting it in the hands of the public as opposed to selling hardware and ICOs.

You are right that as time went along, people joined the team and supported our vision. But saying that it all was pretensed for a pump and dump is just an accusation that is contradictory, as an ICO wouldn't make sens if we accept your version of the story for a moment.
Project Sinni is a side project, the main aim here is to support the network, the way it is layed out, it makes sens to have dedicate nodes, which will be cheap and power efficient. Especially with the nature of the project where the up-time of nodes is critical. If you scroll back a few replies,you'll see that a white paper and a test net client are planned for release before the ICO.

Perhaps I should have clarified. At one point it felt like the project was some actual developer type people albeit naive and inexperienced. Given the change in communications etc, it smells like it's been taken over by those who could be a pump and dump group. It has all the earmarks of one.

Even if it's not a PnD group, announcing a hardware product followed up by an ICO with a 5% swap says that the group now in charge is more interested in money and not about the fundamental tech/project. The 5% swap says that they don't care one little bit about anyone that will invest in the project and that includes those that would buy the ICO.

Let's just sum it up this way. This project is extremely high risk and it's far, far more probable that anyone putting money into it will end up losing it and the project being a failure. Just on it's own it's a high risk project without taking into account anything else.. The only "smart" thing the group has done is slapping the community now so they have time for the stink to subside by the time they finally do the ICO.

Edit: Are you part of the team? Cause you're talking as if you are and have information others don't.

I understand the difference in value perception at the moment, but this is going to change over the next few weeks. We won't loose our focus and will continue to deliver over the next few weeks.

Yes, I am Alexander Bremin, and am part of the core team. I took the decision, together with Max, to go with the ICO and the way it is set up, because it is the only logical decision when stepping back and looking at the long term effects and benefits for the project. In the long run, people will see our reasoning behind it.

The current disconnect will be reversed over time by focusing on what is important. All the FUD in the world won't stop us, and people will look back and some will appear smart while others immature and overly emotional.

Death threats are a big no go, no matter the circumstances, I understand some of the entitlement feeling but they don't justify death threats, this is dishonorable and pathetic.

Alex

I only had a little bit of a look, but after seeing the number of projects (4 that I looked at, I'm sure there's many more) you said were "honest" and/or the "real thing" and you promoted/hyped etc that then ended up screwing everyone over and dead, I have to say that you being part of any project is a massive detriment and just serves to even strengthen the case that it will end up being some sort of pump and dump/scam.

But whatever, people around here will bend over for you if you tell them what they want to hear. As I said before, good luck to anyone foolish enough to roll the dice on this project.

PS. I can't wait to see who peer reviews this. I have a list of a few I suspect will be used. This will be fun to watch.

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Pls sell more below ICO value, I'm buying it up.

Max is making some amazing stuff, if we want to go to the Trump bigly's gotta get the big bankroll in.

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Quote from: Hunterwolfie on May 15, 2017, 06:07:55 AM

so you're happy getting only 5% for the coins you hold..... Roll Eyes

It can be debated what vlt tokens should be worth on the ico swap when people are coming in throwing real money and real value to the project. How high would you take it? Please if you think you have found a perfect ratio, don't be shy and tell us how you got there. Maybe you have a better idea and they will adopt it.

Quote from: legday on May 15, 2017, 06:11:25 AM

Quote from: o48o on May 15, 2017, 06:05:48 AM

Quote from: legday on May 15, 2017, 05:57:37 AM

Quote from: o48o on May 15, 2017, 05:55:00 AM

You fudders do realize that it would benefit everyone to have a successful ico? I am baffled why do you guys want to sabotage it by throwing scam accusations?

Thats what you were counting on? are you that stupid?

Yeah, that's not really a bright answer. The ico is the only way to rise the project to the next level, but please tell us if you have a better solution.

I don't really think there will be any ICO, you can't be so delusional to be thinking that anyone will throw you money after what you did. You're just trying to avoid criminal charges that could be brought against you for fraud.

What did i do now?

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Quote from: Viper1 on May 15, 2017, 04:19:43 AM

Quote from: Mr. Net on May 15, 2017, 03:52:21 AM

Quote from: Viper1 on May 15, 2017, 03:29:52 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

...snip...

Not going to bother responding directly to all of that as most of it is just blathering away with things that, at the end of the day, are meaningless.

At some point there was a significant change in the manner in which the team communicated with the community. It suddenly became "polished" which is not something you typically see from developers, but rather from organized groups. Despite all the supposed work that has been done, there is not even a preliminary white paper or any sort of "detailed" outline of the technical plans... Instead, there's a post about how there's going to be a piece of hardware people can buy, and the following week an announcement of an ICO. For those of us that have been around here awhile, it all starts to smell like the project is in the hands of a pump and dump type group as opposed to real developers. Developers who believe they're creating something revolutionary etc are more interested in communicating that vision and getting it in the hands of the public as opposed to selling hardware and ICOs.

You are right that as time went along, people joined the team and supported our vision. But saying that it all was pretensed for a pump and dump is just an accusation that is contradictory, as an ICO wouldn't make sens if we accept your version of the story for a moment.
Project Sinni is a side project, the main aim here is to support the network, the way it is layed out, it makes sens to have dedicate nodes, which will be cheap and power efficient. Especially with the nature of the project where the up-time of nodes is critical. If you scroll back a few replies,you'll see that a white paper and a test net client are planned for release before the ICO.

Perhaps I should have clarified. At one point it felt like the project was some actual developer type people albeit naive and inexperienced. Given the change in communications etc, it smells like it's been taken over by those who could be a pump and dump group. It has all the earmarks of one.

Even if it's not a PnD group, announcing a hardware product followed up by an ICO with a 5% swap says that the group now in charge is more interested in money and not about the fundamental tech/project. The 5% swap says that they don't care one little bit about anyone that will invest in the project and that includes those that would buy the ICO.

Let's just sum it up this way. This project is extremely high risk and it's far, far more probable that anyone putting money into it will end up losing it and the project being a failure. Just on it's own it's a high risk project without taking into account anything else.. The only "smart" thing the group has done is slapping the community now so they have time for the stink to subside by the time they finally do the ICO.

Edit: Are you part of the team? Cause you're talking as if you are and have information others don't.

I understand the difference in value perception at the moment, but this is going to change over the next few weeks. We won't loose our focus and will continue to deliver over the next few weeks.

Yes, I am Alexander Bremin, and am part of the core team. I took the decision, together with Max, to go with the ICO and the way it is set up, because it is the only logical decision when stepping back and looking at the long term effects and benefits for the project. In the long run, people will see our reasoning behind it.

The current disconnect will be reversed over time by focusing on what is important. All the FUD in the world won't stop us, and people will look back and some will appear smart while others immature and overly emotional.

Death threats are a big no go, no matter the circumstances, I understand some of the entitlement feeling but they don't justify death threats, this is dishonorable and pathetic.

Alex

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Quote from: o48o on May 15, 2017, 06:05:48 AM

Quote from: legday on May 15, 2017, 05:57:37 AM

Quote from: o48o on May 15, 2017, 05:55:00 AM

You fudders do realize that it would benefit everyone to have a successful ico? I am baffled why do you guys want to sabotage it by throwing scam accusations?

Thats what you were counting on? are you that stupid?

Yeah, that's not really a bright answer. The ico is the only way to rise the project to the next level, but please tell us if you have a better solution.

I don't really think there will be any ICO, you can't be so delusional to be thinking that anyone will throw you money after what you did. You're just trying to avoid criminal charges that could be brought against you for fraud.

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Quote from: o48o on May 15, 2017, 06:05:48 AM

Quote from: legday on May 15, 2017, 05:57:37 AM

Quote from: o48o on May 15, 2017, 05:55:00 AM

You fudders do realize that it would benefit everyone to have a successful ico? I am baffled why do you guys want to sabotage it by throwing scam accusations?

Thats what you were counting on? are you that stupid?

Yeah, that's not really a bright answer. The ico is the only way to rise the project to the next level, but please tell us if you have a better solution.

so you're happy getting only 5% for the coins you hold..... Roll Eyes

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Quote from: legday on May 15, 2017, 05:57:37 AM

Quote from: o48o on May 15, 2017, 05:55:00 AM

You fudders do realize that it would benefit everyone to have a successful ico? I am baffled why do you guys want to sabotage it by throwing scam accusations?

Thats what you were counting on? are you that stupid?

Yeah, that's not really a bright answer. The ico is the only way to rise the project to the next level, but please tell us if you have a better solution.

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Quote from: o48o on May 15, 2017, 05:55:00 AM

You fudders do realize that it would benefit everyone to have a successful ico? I am baffled why do you guys want to sabotage it by throwing scam accusations?

Thats what you were counting on? are you that stupid?

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