Topic: Voting is harmful. Don't do it - page 3. (Read 2363 times)

Your point certainly makes sense. They can throw hundreds of corpses to win the vote and make someone bankrupt. I condemn their awkward mentality.

There aren't any Sovereign Citizens. Either one is a citizen or he is a sovereign. The closest we come is with the 4th Amendment person... a paper person that most people think is them. They don't realize that they are people and the paper is a person... one of theirs, or one somebody (attorney, judge) is trying to sell them into believing that it is theirs.

However, you are right regarding difficulty in making government admit it... large government, that is. But most of the judges understand the difference, and in small towns or counties one can still make the difference stand.

Because of this, our being sold in the marketplace is a thing that doesn't have anything to do with us as people. It all has to do with persons. Every now and again a 'people' wins his case as a 'people' rather than a person. But he doesn't know why he won. The judge did it to keep him from finding out why.

I used to sell you Sovereign Citizen guys short I think, though I'm hardly a true believer at this point and don't care to avail of your deep purported knowledge, because...

...  I think by now somewhere close to 100% of the documentation (constitution, laws, etc) of the U.S. is null and void in the interest of 'national security', and the fact that this has become the case is itself a state secret also for 'national security' reasons.  The gas-lighters play-act as though there is some relevance to the documents and laws of the nation, but it's a fraud perpetrated by a criminal racket which the country has degraded into at the behest of the current owners who are mostly financial groups and many of them without an 'American' bone in their bodies.

Playing along with their 'nation of laws' charade makes you a chump, and 'voting' is one of the biggest scams going so it should give one the reddest face.

In fact we are almost to a 'person' simply property who's value was monetized long ago.  We are bought and sold in 'tranches' just like mortgages.  You know how a 'good' credit person is most valuable, a 'bad' credit person is second in value, and an 'unknown credit' person is valued the lowest?  This is because info about a person/commodity adds value in a variety of ways for a number of reasons.  Now you know why the surveillance apparatus is ballooning exponentially.  I really noticed this with the amazingly detailed info about the education of children, and the global uniformity that I've noticed in hoping from one country to another, and it makes perfect sense in the context of human farming/monetization.

The difference in America is this. The man/woman is not the voter when he/she votes. It's the voting person of said voter who is the voter - https://redress4dummies.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/office-of-person1.pdf.

So, vote. Because your vote will help what goes on with your life, even though you didn't vote when you voted.

Live in peace at least and don't be fooled.

if you oppose a candidates pledges.. vote for the other guy
to not vote is to let all those that are blind and dumb to vote for the idiot, and thus the idiot wins

by not voting you leave the vote count entirely upto the minds that do not object, meaning they get majority

so use your vote, vote for the best candidate that comes atleast close to the objectives you want to see of government

i do understand no one is perfect, i understand sometimes all candidates dont fit peoples needs, but if you dont show your vote towards the least malicious candidate, then the odds are the most malicious candidate would win if all those that would vote against the malicious candidate just dont vote

EG

imagine a most malicious candidate had 34/100 votes
imagine a least malicious candidate had 33/100 votes
imagine 33/100 just didnt vote out of not caring

the election would see a 50.7%(out of the 67 votes) which would still be a tie and need a recount of participating votes or a secondary election

now imagine those opposing the most malicious candidate didnt vote at all for the least malicious as a form of protest
imagine a most malicious candidate had 34/100 votes
imagine a least malicious candidate had 10/100 votes (10 remain voters due to adoring the least malicious)
imagine 56/100 just didnt vote out of not caring or being told not to vote as a protest

the election would see a 77% win for the malicious candidate

as you can see by not voting you can actually make the most malicious candidate win as your opposition to the most malicious candidate is not counted

Agree.

My thesis is that if I vote or provide other meaningful support, I give my sanction to the actions of the government and as such have something of an obligation to adhere to it's rules.  I thus do not vote, have no obligations, and am not culpable for the actions of this increasingly brazen group of criminals.

I vote with my wallet for the best option I can identify and I jump around the globe as needed.  If my country once again returns to being a constitutional republic, and if it regains some semblance of semi-functional democratic leadership selection, I _may_ go back.  I'm not holding my breath though.

So people voted and now they without the Gold. "The "Savior" transferd it all out of the country robbed Argentine of its reserves, lol.
And people still elect someone run (ruine) there lifes. What nutjob of a world.

This is why the US has a Constitutional Republic, with the Democracy only in the thing that is called government.

In the Republic, men and women are such. They are not 'persons' - https://redress4dummies.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/office-of-person1.pdf. When they stand as men and women in court, their only claim against someone exists regarding harm and damages to that other man/woman, or against them by that other man/woman. Government harms nobody. It is people in government who harm other people.

Under real democracy, voting is a good thing. But under a democracy which has been hi-jacked by big corporations, I don't think voting will make any difference. Before we change our politics we need to change our view on the current corrupt monetary system, which is fiat.

Bitcoin would destroy this system, if we only let it. And I think we would have a brighter future with Bitcoin.

If voting is assumed as harmful by you, what then should be perceived as less harmful for a citizen of a country to be involved in?

For your information, voting is not a choice; it's one's legal right as a citizen. It is not harmful, rather, it is our way of choosing a good leader. The voting process can be dangerous because bad people have corrupted the system, but that does not mean we should live as fugitives in our country(no way). We will continue to exercise our rights till our voice is heard. We cannot continue to sit at home because of the fear of the unknown and risk a lifetime of suffering and penury. We all know that elections can be rigged, irrespective of the effort we put in to vote for a good leader, but we will not give up, even if we fail several in not successfully voting for a good leader. Voting is not supposed to be a demonstration of power or rank; it is a way to change the system for the betterment of the poor masses. Voting is your civic right; vote wisely because your vote counts.

Question - is it still possible for the Republicans to switch candidates?  Or does an official nomination from the RNC cement it in place?

@BunnyWunny

Voting endorses the system. But you want the system. Why? It provides methods to peacefully settle disputes. If you don't know what it's like to settle disputes NOT peacefully, consider Russia and Ukraine where a million have died in two years, or Consider Israel and Palestine where many millions have died over the decades.

Don’t know how you could say this, upon how informed you just might be.
How do you expect citizens not to exercise these rights because of the malpractices that bugs the polls still. I understand your view point of how having to vote legitimatize an illegitimate system but, one must try to correct the system by not just voting, securing the votes and ensure due processes are followed in their respective pooling units. That’s the closest we could get and you don’t earn that by not voting.

The politicians is all about casting a vote and sometimes is not about the voting people their a lot people that they will be saying that they don’t have interest in voting, but when the politicians give them they can quickly collect the money without vote for them and that will not stop the Senators to choose the leaders that they want to choose. What is major problems of our peoples is that they always put money for front when those leaders are proposing for a purse they will be demanding a lot of money from them, that’s why immediately they won they will be find a way to recover all the money they spent back.

Here is the simple point in the US. When you vote, it isn't you. It is your person of the voting registration, which is simply a name on paper that is similar to yours.

Who is going to hurt you if somebody wants to attack you for voting? It they try, they will have to show harm or damage that you did. Your voting person didn't do anything harmful or damaging. Neither did you by voting.

Right in the beginning of the 4th Amendmnent it shows that you have 'persons':
Your voting person doesn't change you from a man or woman into a person. If somebody steals your property because you voted, stand as a man/woman in the courts to get it back... but at least compensation of equal or greater value.

In my country, any citizens that are of voting age and did not vote could get arrested and those Olin the civil service they payments could be withdraw or suspend if they are found guilty of not voting during election most especially when it a presidential election, even to own a bank account without your voting documents,you can be turned back from operating an account without a voters card, so election in some part of the world is a more national thing much more than the politicians.
It's in the constitution since voting is seen as the only where ethat the masses decide who leads them, and regardless what the nature and character of the politicians, voter will still need to fulfil the requirements as a citizen to vote during an election.

But the base is this. Voting is not really done by people. Voting is a piece of paper or a machine. It is the name on the paper or machine that is connected to the vote. Sure, it may be a people who moves the paper or the machine, but the actual vote is a paper or a machine thing, with a paper or machine name. It's not a people thing, even though the name on the paper or machine is almost exactly similar to a people name.

This is why in the US, the vote does not really limit the people unless they think it does, and so limit themselves. This is why people of other countries come to America; they instinctively know - if not formal knowledge - that the vote doesn't really affect them, except in the ways they allow it to.

This is the structure of American government. It's called common law. But some call it 'common lore' since government has adapted the term 'common law' to what the courts say. Common lore is what the people say and do without a formal government. That's what America is really all about. The AMERICAN DREAM!

The structure of the formal government may or may not be the thing that happens. We see it in the election fraud in 2020, and at other times. MIGHT may not make what is RIGHT, but strength and power (might) make what happens.

It is the democratic right of every citizen to elect a candidate by voting.  This system exists in every democratic country in the world.  Elections are usually held at regular intervals in democratic countries.  And in that election, the conscious citizens of the state find a qualified leader to lead them.  I do not know what country you are a citizen of?  You may have had a bitter experience that led you to write about such a topic.  I don't even know if your country's elections are free, fair and impartial.  No country can move forward without a healthy and impartial governance.  But it is also true that the dictator of any country in the world could not stay in power for long.  At the end of the day they fell badly.  Whatever?  You must be vocal and exercise your right to vote to get competent and qualified leadership.

This is the kind of thing that the Deep State has done in the USA.

Part of the answer in Bangladesh is that the country is a common law country in part. This means that the people can take the man to court rather than the person of his office.

Let's say that XXXXX is the man that holds the government office of YYYYY. Don't take the government office of YYYYY to court. Rather, take the man XXXXX to court for using his YYYYY office to harm you by not allowing you a proper vote. This can be done in a common law land like Bangladesh is.

The things you need to do are to find like-minded people who will support each other with the law, not with violence or protests. When XXXXX tries to protest by saying that you are attacking his YYYYY office, you will have loads of 'friends' who will show in the legal paperwork that you were accusing the man, but not the office. Take those evil government jokers down one at a time.

Check out the map at https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Map_of_the_Legal_systems_of_the_world_%28en%29.png to see that Bangladesh is a common law land in all but a few ways where Islamic law controls. Government officials doing their jobs correctly falls under common law, not Islamic law.