Topic: Voting is harmful. Don't do it - page 5. (Read 1860 times)

Voting helps to keep a Constitutional Convention from happening. That's the only thing that can mess our situation up. The current Amendments are sufficient for both, our Constitutional Republic, and the Democracy of the way the government works.

The people need to realize that none of the things that the current governmental regime does has anything to do with them the people... except that they voluntarily 'obey' it. The courts are open for men and women to stand as men and women rather than persons, and legally and lawfully reject every order that government tries to give them, through proper court adjudication. It's simple, so simple that it's scary.

The only three things that the courts can touch men and women on are harm, property damage, or direct threat. The reason why the courts seem to have so much more power is that the men and women agree to it when they agree to being represented.

Wake up. Voting is the way to keep government under control if it is used correctly and wisely.

one major and profound difference being, each member of the tribe actually could go talk to their tribal chief and explain their worries and concerns.. good luck getting a meeting with the potus.

the other being, they did not have anywhere near the amount of regulations and laws that modern society does, the governance structures were extremely loose and basic.

democracy in small groups works, that is patently obvious.

democracy in large groups (try 330 million) does not work and cannot even be considered democracy

Oh absolutely, because rebelling against basic societal rules and contributing nothing has always been the key to dismantling the all-powerful state.  They must be terrified of your... non-compliance?


I don't. You brought them into the conversation, not me.  The point is, many pre-colonial Native American tribes had functioning structures, even if different from our modern democracies. These structures involved complex leadership systems with councils, chiefs, and representatives - all chosen by the people. So, like I said before, next time you should really learn some history.

Regarding presidential elections, voting only shows your delegate to the Electoral College from your voting district, how to vote in an election. You are not endangered by your voting.

Further, if you understand freedom and the Constitutional Republic we live under, the danger from NOT voting is small. It only has to do with changes made by a Constitutional Convention.

Any other danger from voting or not voting comes from not understanding your freedom and liberty power in the land of America.

you are a stooge for the state.

are you seriously comparing native american society to modern "democratic" society? have you lost every marble in your head?

OP, here are some interesting stats you might be interested in. According to many surveys, the Nordic countries are traditionally ranked among the happiest nations in the world.


https://www.statista.com/statistics/1225047/ranking-of-happiest-countries-worldwide-by-score/

If we compare this with voter turnout statistics, we see that all these countries have a very high turnout rate in every election, mostly over 80%.

So, it seems more people voting might be associated with a happier nation overall, rather than the other way around.

Soon the medical will develop a vaccine for voters.

That's right, you don't know.


Sarcasm or ignorance? You do know that social structure was fundamental to traditional Native American societies? They may not have had written rules or bloated governments, but they had clear hierarchies and social norms everyone had to follow.  It's embarrassing that someone from outside the US needs to school you on your own history.

I live under actual tyranny. In my country we are one bad news cycle away from being sent to die in a NATO war. If that is not tyranny then I do not know what is.

Just read a book on the native americans my friend, and see how happy they were.

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and civil disobedience

If voting is harmful in your country, don't think is harmful to other countries in the world op, because voting is counting in other countries to make them to elected a potential leaders that will help the countries to achieve their goal.

I know, there are some leaders that will promised the societies with so many things during the campaign that will make the people in the societies to come out to vote massively, but once they resume office they will no longer fulfill their promise which I believe that is the harmful you are talking about in this trend, but don't allow such things to discourage you not to vote during the election period. If you live in a family that feel voting is harmful, try to prove to them that voting is helpful to a society because once you voted for the candidate of your choice, it make you to be a good citizen that want the progress of the society.

Interesting perspective, but perhaps a little short-sighted.  The rights and ability to share views freely came from those who fought for equality.  Calling efforts undignified dismisses real suffering under oppression.  Try living under actual tyranny and then tell me how much you miss a system with flaws you can address. All systems have flaws, but they can also further justice and governments maintain order and stability. They can protect basic rights, build infrastructure, and ensure a semblance of order. To claim humans governed themselves perfectly for millions of years ignores countless conflicts and power struggles. Sure, you can romanticize the past as much as you want, but the reality is life expectancy a few thousand years ago was significantly lower.  Even basic healthcare advancements modern society takes for granted would be life-saving back then. You think you'd be happier living then? Well, if you're past your thirties, chances are you wouldn't even be here to argue the point.

OP claims that voting is harmful, and that's not the first time I read it.

Others claim that voting is useless, and in some sense they are also right.

So, everyone can do what they want with their vote, which is their right for a reason

And how to fight? Where to begin?

While it is true that every human is equal, some governments don't recognize this. But the people don't recognize how to prove it.

For example. In the US, in a trial, the person/defendant named on the indictment is not the human defendant. But nobody recognizes this. They all think that a piece of paper is the same as a man or woman.

The people need to wake up.

Coercion, extortion, intimidation, being forced to do someting agaist your will is illegal.
Why is it people do not uphold the law and instead let someone dictate what they can and can not do?
By law ever human is equal.

God understands that people are too evil to repent. That's why He sends His Holy Spirit to work repentance in the hearts of those people who are spiritually too weak to resist. Once they catch on, they start working with their repentance... the HS guiding them in the way to do it.

Those repentant people who vote, do so at the direction of the HS.

This sounds like a good deal. But we all know that humans are incapable of repentance. 99.999999% percent of all humans are going to end up in Hell. If you don't believe me, read Matthew 7:13-14. Or you can watch the South Park documentary on HELL. Look at their population levels. It seems about right, doesn't it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zv7toE87zo

Humans are just going to spit in God's face when God offers them salvation, and God is going to send them to HELL where they will be horrifically abused by demons punished for all eternity.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

That is the pivotal point.

What if you owed somebody $10 billion and had no way to repay. And what if the agreement said that if you had no way to pay, you were to be tortured and executed, or you could find a proxy to take your place for the punishment and death.

Then, somebody came along who wanted to be your proxy. He was punished and executed for your debt. By the agreement, your debt was paid by the proxy. No more debt. You are free to go your way, or even to face your former creditor and look him in the eye without fear. No more debt. The debt was paid by the proxy.

That is what Jesus did for all people regarding their debt of evil and wickedness towards God. No more debt. No more fear. Stand before God and look Him in the eye without fear. The debt was paid. No more debt. He holds no more terror for anyone.

There is only one little catch. God is completely honest and righteous. So, people need to acknowledge that it was Jesus Who paid the debt. If they don't, they will be creating a new debt.

That's it. You are free to stand before God in the righteousness of Jesus... without fear of any form of retribution. And that is what this life has become... to believe in Jesus or to not believe. Everything else in this life is meaningless, since it is gone for each person at the time of the death of each person.

In every era, this practice has come and the rulers are using ordinary people.