Topic: Voting is harmful. Don't do it - page 4. (Read 2363 times)

Yes it is true that vote legitimizes an illegal thing but vote is not valued all over the world now. Leaders can now be elected without a vote, they do not owe a vote. Especially if I talk about my country where I live, my right to vote in Bangladesh has been violated and people have been kept away from voting. People now can't cast their own vote by themselves without voting form the government and run the country. But now my country has become free from all these scams my country is now completely independent Bengal. Now people can express their own mind language but for 16 years people could not express their inner words to others. I hope that the right to vote has returned in my country and people can make illegal things illegal through voting.

If you don't vote, you gotta move out of the country to avoid what the "Moda fuckers" will do to you for not winning with a vote.

If you don't vote, you give those Moda fuckers to continue their reign.

How about this idea?

Let's have a nationwide vote on whether or not ANYBODY can vote in the future. If we could get enough people voting to turn off voting, we might not be able to elect anybody in the future.

My question is, would the people in office remain there? Or would they have to be relieved by... NOBODY... and the country be shut down? Perhaps we could have a separate vote on the shut-down thought. But it would have to come before we shut off voting, or we couldn't even vote for that.

Even if everyone doesn't vote, elections still happen the other way and we still have leaders to lead and run our world. After all, no matter what we do, we cannot change the fact that we are still under the control and management of the government.

Many people would say that the world would be better off without governments and leaders, but is that true? If there is no government, no regulations, who will prevent social evils, bombings, terrorism...? A world that is too free and uncontrolled is a world of chaos and will soon collapse.

Even in the natural world, animals need leaders to survive, so we would be naive if we thought the world would be better off without governments.

Lotteries do have elected winners.
Lotteries are fixed, a absolute fool thinks he/she can win fair and square.

The title sounds like somebody used an Executive Order to simply elect himself. But that isn't what happened. Rather, the EO existed to make sure that the voting was done legally and rightly, without corruption. The outcome was the election of the person the people wanted. The question is, what will the courts do with this when it gets that far?


VA Gov. Youngkin Secures Elections Via Executive Order, Thwarts Democrat Illegal Alien Voter Scheme

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https://www.infowars.com/posts/virginia-gov-youngkin-secures-elections-via-executive-order-thwarts-democrat-illegal-alien-voter-scheme/?__cf_chl_rt_tk=Srj1DSazs0Z9g1nI5BlDs1Iws0jtRagp0CgoJF2K7KU-1723169127-0.0.1.1-4884
Virginia's Republican Governor Glenn Youngkin issued an Executive Order Wednesday placing a thorn in the side of Democrats planning on using illegal immigrants to inflate their voter rolls.

Youngkin's office explained Executive Order 35 codifies election security procedures put into place during his administration, "including stringent ballot security, complete and thorough counting machine testing, and best-in-the-nation voter list maintenance."

The governor joined Sean Hannity on Fox News Wednesday, saying, "Call me crazy, but I think American elections should be decided by American citizens, and Virginia elections should be decided by Virginians. That's why this Executive Order is so important because it makes sure we have clean voter rolls and makes sure votes are counted accurately, and it recognizes the fact that elections need to be trusted by voters."

"This is going to be the most important election of our lifetime. We're gonna see the future of America determined and I want to make sure that Virginians know they can trust this election process," he added.
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If you really support Donaldo Trumpez, you should move to a swing state so that your vote will really decide the election. Think about it. Your vote will be worth 20 times as much if you move to a swing state. Oh. And if you wanted Trump to win, you could have voted for DeSantis as the democrat in the 2024 primary. Think about it. It costs far fewer votes in the primaries to get De Santis as the Democrat nominee and Donaldo Trumpez as the Republican nominee so that one of them wins than it does to get Donaldo Trumpez to win against Kamala. It is too bad that neither the democrats nor the republicans are capable of strategizing this way since humans lack intelligence.

Oh. And the person who refuses to play the lottery always sins. The person who plays the lottery typically loses. Sometimes the person wins the lottery, but lottery winners tend to become even more broke after they won, so in the long term even the lottery winners become worse off. They should have invested in Bitcoin in 2011 or another cryptocurrency instead.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

Lotteries absolutely do have winners. If the winner didn't play, he wouldn't have won.

In a presidential election, your vote might be the vote that swings the Delegate to your district in the Electoral College to vote for your favorite rather than against. That's why your vote is important.

Whether your vote is included or not, the person who should win is going to win, your vote cannot change the destiny of the person who will win the election, and you can not tell anyone not to vote because it is their right, everyone has the right to vote for the candidate who they believe is truly worthy of changing everything in the nation, the person they truly believe can listen to the cry of its citizens. Although I've seen people like you before who always say that they can't vote for anyone because all politicians are the same and won't keep the promises they make to the poor, this doesn't mean that we should stop voting for other candidates, we don't have to rely on politicians to do the needful, however, we should always hope that the candidate we choose will be the better person we have been hoping for.

Democracy in the US was never meant to go beyond the confines of a Constitutional government. But the people have thrown away their freedom by accepting Democracy as THEIR government, rather than remaining in the Republic.

Even the idea that people have placed themselves under government by agreements and contracts is flawed. Why? Because if you can contract in, you can contract out. If you contract out, the only thing you might have done is harmed government. But if government attacks you, you can stand on the right to face your accuser in court... on the stand. But the government can't get on the stand and talk against you. So, who is your accuser?

Using the Federal Reserve Note is voluntary. Nobody is forcing anybody to use it. Sure, you might have a tough life if you don't use it. But you aren't being forced. It's voluntary. Many Amish barely use money.

I don't believe that someone who can read and write in this century will have a thought like this but you just proved me wrong. 

Let assume we agree that they're tyrant operating a tyranny system of government but the fact is we can not live without the control of these tyrants. How do we get rid of them? Through voting!

If you say no to voting, you're indirectly supporting the continuation of tyranny system and prefer to live under their influence. Voting gives you power to decide who will represent and lead you. No doubt, the voting system is being manipulate by the elites but boycotting the system entirely will give them a free space to showcase their oppression.

Have a rethink and participate in the process to make a change you're clamoring for. Without voting, that change will never happen. Encourage people to vote but wisely, it counts.

The case against Demo-Cracy
https://youtu.be/3-y4P7f0uHI

Since this Arizona thing is going to the Supreme Court, we will have to wait to see what they decide. However, the determinations about it will have bearing on all the States.

The question is what the Constitution has been interpreted as saying. It might be that only elections people in a State have the authority to make election law. The general State 'Congress' might not have the authority. The 9th Circuit Court might have been absolutely correct in nullifying that State law.

Lately SCOTUS has been opening up to the general freedoms ideas that are in the Declaration of Independence, and the ideals in the Constitution Preamble. These are not law, and generally can't be made into law, but SCOTUS doesn't have to look only at formal law for its decisions.

The idea in the Preamble is that the Constitution and all laws that flow out of it are required to benefit the people. SCOTUS will need to decide who the people are, and if the statute in question is a benefit to the people. This can be very complex. A copy of the Preamble is as follows:

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."... https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/preamble.

The whole Constitution hangs on the Preamble. There is no reason for the Constitution and the laws except to do what the Preamble says. The only question is what SCOTUS will determine and decide that the statute in Arizona is doing.

Does your country have something like a Preamble?

This elections irregularities is becoming a global issues, we hard a similar situation in some local government here in my country, when the local government election was conducted sometimes ago like 3 years back and those local government votes where manipulated during that election, the rest of the country did not pay attention to that irregularities, only when the last presidential election when the national voting system and voter number by each local government was published and then the eye of the rest of the nation was opened that that irregularities on number with fake voters number, this issue raised alot of crisis in the system but then the did have already been done and the electtoral body couldn't do anything about it, so if this is the issues in the US Arizona State it make Sense to put everything right since such States happens to be the strong hold of some aspirants and a reserve ground for them for their ringing in the election, so let the court put everything in other regarding which citizens are free to votes and what documents they need to have before they be eligible to vote in the forthcoming US presidential election.

Look at what happens when you try to make sure that only the people who have the right to vote are voting in an election. Looks like some people don't care who votes. BTW, if you aren't going to vote, ignore this post.


RED ALERT: Ninth Circuit Appeals Court BLOCKS Arizona’s Proof of Citizenship Requirement to Vote – Case Will Be Sent to U.S. Supreme Court

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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/08/red-alert-ninth-circuit-appeals-court-blocks-arizonas/
A contentious legal battle over election integrity in Arizona has intensified following a recent ruling by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.

On August 1, a three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit overturned a prior decision that required proof of citizenship to vote in federal elections. This ruling, which was decided in a narrow 2-1 vote, now allows individuals to register to vote using a state form, without having to provide citizenship documentation for federal positions such as President and Congress.

The law, enacted by Arizona's Republican-led Legislature in 2022, was designed to prevent non-citizens from voting by mandating proof of citizenship if registering to vote with the state. The initial emergency stay, issued on July 18 by a different Ninth Circuit panel, had supported this requirement.

The Ninth Circuit's recent decision further dismantles the already fragile safeguards meant to protect our elections. Previously, while federal ballots could be exploited due to a lack of citizenship proof, there was at least some measure of security through state forms. Now, with both federal and state registration forms free from proof of citizenship, it's even easier for noncitizens to cast ballots in federal elections. This ruling not only weakens Arizona's attempts to ensure election integrity but also represents a troubling regression in our efforts to maintain genuine voter authenticity.

In other words, they didn't even need this ruling to circumvent the previous ruling. This is akin to purely just rubbing it in. As Arizona State Senate President Warren Petersen put it, this is 'judicial warfare' meant to circumvent the will of the American people. They plan to send the case to the Supreme Court for appeal.

"This is just another example of why the radical Ninth Circuit is the most overturned circuit in the nation," said Senate President Warren Petersen. "They routinely engage in judicial warfare to carry out their extremist liberal agenda that's contrary to the laws our citizens elected us to implement. We will seek assistance from the Supreme Court to ensure only American citizens are voting in our elections. If this principle is not followed, democracy as we know it, and as our Founding Fathers intended, is in jeopardy."
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Well, NO, I am very capable to find my own way, I am not a lemming.

Voting is also the right of the citizens and also a human right, so how then will you advice people not to vote. It is true that their are factors that give the citizens second taught on wether they should keep on voting or not and that is the act of constant rigging of elections it is true that these days elections are no longer free and fair.

But another point here if you say nobody should vote that means we will be without a leader or governance and you know very well what that can cause to the society. So whatever the situation is our voices must always be heard, we must continue to make our preferred choices.

When the electtoral system is corrupt anything makes voting more usless like such a situation, but that doesn't mean we should avoid the ballot casting because that is part of our fundamental duty as a citizen to participate in electing our political leaders, so we shouldn't give up our right because of the current political corruption in the global electoral systems, this have been the reality for year and yet nothing have changed infact it going worst by days, and this is so worrisome, many activitist have called for protest in my country demanding for free and fair elections, but that only exist on news but not in practice.

In the US, President voting is a method for telling the Electors of the Electoral College who to vote for for President.