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There's been suggestions that the naughty whale traders are generating most of the volume, and are even accused of creating false volume, so here's a new chart. It measures how many minutes per day trading volume was at least 100$, and so reduces the impact of large individual sells/buys (and associated activity):



Coded in R?

Nope, black marker pen and a red crayon  Grin

Don't be a smart arse, I have a bag of pencils my friend, as you well know  Angry

Edit: no, I haven't taken to R yet, I prefer a calculator and a grid notebook. Access makes do if I can't find them.
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There's been suggestions that the naughty whale traders are generating most of the volume, and are even accused of creating false volume, so here's a new chart. It measures how many minutes per day trading volume was at least 100$, and so reduces the impact of large individual sells/buys (and associated activity):



Coded in R?

Nope, black marker pen and a red crayon  Grin
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There's been suggestions that the naughty whale traders are generating most of the volume, and are even accused of creating false volume, so here's a new chart. It measures how many minutes per day trading volume was at least 100$, and so reduces the impact of large individual sells/buys (and associated activity):


Coded in R?
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Will you have the guts to do the right thing when the pressure is on? If yes, I applaud and honor you. If not, here are a few cheap excuses to use (after all, who wants to admit conditioning or cowardice):

Without the rule of law, everything would fall apart.
Without regulation, criminals would destroy everything.
Yes, regulation is coercive, but along with it comes a certain amount of public benefit!
I got ripped off, and someone has to fix it!
If I can’t sue someone, they can get away with ripping me off!
We can’t get people to use Bitcoin unless it’s authorized.
We need approval or we will forever remain a tiny market.
A significant number of Bitcoin people will say these things (and others), but the real truth will be that they are scared, or are still hoping to get mega-rich, or just can’t rip the “government is our friend” meme out of their heads. But mostly it will be fear.

We all feel fear of course, but some of us are determined enough to do the right thing, even when we’re afraid.

So, here’s a final tip: If you run into someone who can feel the fear and still do the right thing, don’t let go of them.

you stole that from an old radical: http://www.dgcmagazine.com/the-old-radical-how-bitcoin-is-being-destroyed/ Smiley


good catch molecular ... and a good read.

Great find on Greenspan ...

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Alan Greenspan may have done a lot of bad things, but he is not stupid. And before his adventures at the Fed, he wrote this:

"(Under a fiat system), there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation… If there were, the government would have to make its holding illegal, as was done in the case of gold"

WOW !
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Will you have the guts to do the right thing when the pressure is on? If yes, I applaud and honor you. If not, here are a few cheap excuses to use (after all, who wants to admit conditioning or cowardice):

Without the rule of law, everything would fall apart.
Without regulation, criminals would destroy everything.
Yes, regulation is coercive, but along with it comes a certain amount of public benefit!
I got ripped off, and someone has to fix it!
If I can’t sue someone, they can get away with ripping me off!
We can’t get people to use Bitcoin unless it’s authorized.
We need approval or we will forever remain a tiny market.
A significant number of Bitcoin people will say these things (and others), but the real truth will be that they are scared, or are still hoping to get mega-rich, or just can’t rip the “government is our friend” meme out of their heads. But mostly it will be fear.

We all feel fear of course, but some of us are determined enough to do the right thing, even when we’re afraid.

So, here’s a final tip: If you run into someone who can feel the fear and still do the right thing, don’t let go of them.

you stole that from an old radical: http://www.dgcmagazine.com/the-old-radical-how-bitcoin-is-being-destroyed/ Smiley


The post linked above contains simple and plain truth.

But really I don't get how a lot of people just do not understand.
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Will you have the guts to do the right thing when the pressure is on? If yes, I applaud and honor you. If not, here are a few cheap excuses to use (after all, who wants to admit conditioning or cowardice):

Without the rule of law, everything would fall apart.
Without regulation, criminals would destroy everything.
Yes, regulation is coercive, but along with it comes a certain amount of public benefit!
I got ripped off, and someone has to fix it!
If I can’t sue someone, they can get away with ripping me off!
We can’t get people to use Bitcoin unless it’s authorized.
We need approval or we will forever remain a tiny market.
A significant number of Bitcoin people will say these things (and others), but the real truth will be that they are scared, or are still hoping to get mega-rich, or just can’t rip the “government is our friend” meme out of their heads. But mostly it will be fear.

We all feel fear of course, but some of us are determined enough to do the right thing, even when we’re afraid.

So, here’s a final tip: If you run into someone who can feel the fear and still do the right thing, don’t let go of them.

you stole that from an old radical: http://www.dgcmagazine.com/the-old-radical-how-bitcoin-is-being-destroyed/ Smiley
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There's been suggestions that the naughty whale traders are generating most of the volume, and are even accused of creating false volume, so here's a new chart. It measures how many minutes per day trading volume was at least 100$, and so reduces the impact of large individual sells/buys (and associated activity):



conclusion: bitcoin market is emptier by the day, I hope Gox kept the receipt on their new 'smokin' fast' trading engine...
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Hey Adam, you where saying that Bitcoin will reach $180 in 5 bussines days correct?

Well, that is 2nd july, the day of the Bitcoin London conference and i think Max Keiser is going too  Grin -> https://exante.eu/press/news/310/

So it is your secret? If yes, do you really think that the conference hype would put us at $180 or near it? Why so much confidence?  Smiley

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I'd hardly call Inflation robbing the masses, but QE meanwhile is robbing the masses.



Well, first let me say both are robbing the masses.
But, QE is not inflation at the same level of typical inflation, as the money is mostly just seeing the upper reaches of society. (e.g - Via QE, the banks are investing in bonds, the stock market, etc and most of society is not seeing that money.) I believe this can be verified with the velocity of money.
I still think QE causes some inflation, but not as much as I once thought (after reading about it).

Anyone jump in here as I'm going by what I've heard recently. And it's still a recipe for disaster.

If you increase the quantity of money, then all other things being equal, a unit of the money will be worth less: inflation.

But if you increase the supply of money and demand for the money increases, i.e. people want to hold more of it, a unit of the money may be worth more than before: deflation.

And if QE adds money to a money system where the amount of credit is collapsing the total money supply may be unchanged or even fall, so the tendency is still deflationary.

Even if a QE is not showing as inflation it still distorts the market. The QE benefits those who first get the money it represents, at the expense of those who already had savings: if it wasn't for the QE their spending power would have risen.

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I'm not sure what we are debating however I think you can direct most of your anger towards nixon doing away with the gold standard (fiat money) and Milton What's his face :-)

Back to bitcoins and wall tracking ?
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Quantitive Easing is deployed with a goal of increasing inflation sure, but do you disagree inflation is pretty much inherent in any monetary system since the concept of money was deployed? I'm only questioning why anyone would be surprised that over 100 years 1$ buys far less?

I don't get why inflation should be inherent to the monetary system as you say. I don't get why a dollar's purchasing power should decrease over time.
Suppose there was a finite and constant amount of $ (yeah right)
Suppose the population is increasing so the number of economical subjects is increasing.
Suppose the amount of food they need is also increasing.

The amount of $ is finite and constant, but there are more bananas being produced over time. The bananas are still priced in dollars. My logic says that an increasing quantity of bananas will be worth less dollars per banana.

I understand that the argument against deflationary currencies can be summarized like that:
The increasing purchasing power of the dollar would bring people to hoarding dollars instead of cultivating bananas.
This in turn would make the population starve.

Then I say: This in turn would cause bananas to become more valuable, hence their price in dollars would go up again. It seems pretty self regulating to me. With the added bonus that we'd stop producing more bananas than we really need.

s/dollar/bitcoin I think this is what we are trying to do.

Where did I get it wrong?
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I'd hardly call Inflation robbing the masses, but QE meanwhile is robbing the masses.



Cute Pic.

Quantitive Easing is deployed with a goal of increasing inflation sure, but do you disagree inflation is pretty much inherent in any monetary system since the concept of money was deployed? I'm only questioning why anyone would be surprised that over 100 years 1$ buys far less?

Edit: the guy int he post before me is correct. QE was deployed with the goal of increasing liquidity for banks on the dime of the taxpayer which yes i agree has basically amounted to highway robbery and complete subsidy of greedy banking's downside
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I'd hardly call Inflation robbing the masses, but QE meanwhile is robbing the masses.



Well, first let me say both are robbing the masses.
But, QE is not inflation at the same level of typical inflation, as the money is mostly just seeing the upper reaches of society. (e.g - Via QE, the banks are investing in bonds, the stock market, etc and most of society is not seeing that money.) I believe this can be verified with the velocity of money.
I still think QE causes some inflation, but not as much as I once thought (after reading about it).

Anyone jump in here as I'm going by what I've heard recently. And it's still a recipe for disaster.
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I'd hardly call Inflation robbing the masses, but QE meanwhile is robbing the masses.

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Yes, it is possible that we will see again coins for 95-98 on Bitstamp and BTC-e and we do not know how long the wall at $ 104 will be on Mtx ...
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The spike at mtgox is really artificial as people flee this exchange with their bitcoins stuffed into their wallets...
Just look at the bitstamp order book where you see the opposite ...
Everyone is trying to sell

Yes, the Bitstamp order book is a "failsafe" of sort regarding the current state of BTC.
Most of us here are bullish on BTC, just not short to mid term.

I don't understand, are you talking about the early morning spike? I can see that some sold their coins, but what about the huge buy that cause the price spike and slippage this morning?
This happened a week or two ago when the price dropped below 100 as well. Same thing, bad business decision regarding the slippage (and the hour was odd, China?). I really wonder if someone is
desperate to keep the price above 100, as once it spends time below that, a new psychology develops (if you know what I mean)...

Not a picture of health from the 2nd largest exchange...

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The spike at mtgox is really artificial as people flee this exchange with their bitcoins stuffed into their wallets...
Just look at the bitstamp order book where you see the opposite ...
Everyone is trying to sell
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