Topic: War: who benefits and how! (Read 1865 times)

Could you provide the links to your sources? However, I think I already know the answer... certainly you can't because it's a lie. Quickly running through the list you provided I can see some numbers are completely off  (up to 100%). Please fix and stop spreading lies.

The developed country had a capacity to give food, tools, weapon for their soldiers, So they will have a huge chance of winning in the war.The winners will get huge power and loser economy will goes ten year backward.The winner also implement the law favour to their nation and take all the wealth from the losing country.When one nation get conflict over other nation, this leads to war.If each country based on the economy.Both the country rarely go to the war.They most probably try to solve the problem using the mutual respect.

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About "benefits".
Recently ended the summit, organized by the country-terrorist Russia. The goal is to gather at least someone who could be called "friends" of the outcast country. For understanding - 2/3 of those invited disdained to come.
To begin with, I will quote the words of M. Zakharova, the press drunkard of the Russian Foreign Ministry, "our guys are dying in Ukraine, defending the freedoms of Africa and the whole world." This is certainly not about the economy, it's about neglected psychiatry
Who doubts - answer a simple question. How did "Ivan" from Syzran, who came to Ukraine to destroy and kill, and in the end was expectedly destroyed, and now lies somewhere in the fields of Ukraine, helped African countries?
But back to the "benefits"!
If you watched this freak show, there is one person who looks like an international criminal V.V. Putin, on behalf of Russia, promised, in exchange for friendship, the countries of Africa - GRAIN. Free of charge.
Slightly depart from this fact, and remember another. Until 2022, the largest supplier of grain to African countries was... Let's remember... Ukraine! Yes, someone will now refer to the recent "information stuffing" that states that "Ukraine did not supply grain to African countries, but only to rich and well-fed Europeans." Moreover, these stuffing somehow surprisingly coincided with the beginning of Russian attempts to destroy the port and logistics system of Ukraine, which was responsible for grain supplies.
Fact 2: Before the start of a new wave of terrorist attacks, Ukraine was the largest supplier of grain for African countries and other, not very rich countries. This is easy to check.
Fact 3. Having destroyed cities, villages, agricultural holdings, losses and logistics in the south of Ukraine, Russia GUARANTEED the impossibility of Ukrainian grain supplies to African countries!
Fact 4. Since 2022, Russia, having occupied the southern and eastern regions of Ukraine, began to systematically steal grain! Hundreds of thousands of tons stored in elevators, storage facilities, and prepared for shipment.

And back to the benefits. As a result, we get - Russia attacked Ukraine. Thus, provoking a huge risk of famine in African countries, due to the inability of Ukraine to send grain to these countries. Russia stole this grain. And now he is trying to buy friendship from some African countries for STOLEN grain!

Are you saying that this is not true? Russia will give YOUR grain? I will disappoint you! Yes, Russia has large grain crops. BUT! Grain remains so far the only resource that has not fallen under sanctions and brings hard currency. Yes, yes - Russia sells its grain to developed countries, but not to African ones. Therefore, the stolen grain from Ukraine has become "charitable". I immediately answer the question - no, Russia cannot sell it to developed countries, because. the origin of the grain is easy to determine and with a high probability it will be sent back, and they will also write out a fine!

Here is such a benefit, Russian - theft, lies, an attempt to buy friendship for food

And some statistics for understanding trade with Africa, or rather "its savior - Russia"
Trade with African countries:
EU - $415 billion
China - $212 billion
United States - $68 billion
Türkiye - $32 billion
Savior of Africa, Russia - 10 billion dollars !!!! :

PS
Zimbabwe - disdained ALIEN, STOPPED grain and refused!
The President of South Africa said that they did not come for gifts, but to solve the problems of the grain program, which was spawned by Russia

Thats how business works and its been approved out by government of course because they would really be taking up some percentage too on what they do profit out.It would really be taking up some advantage considering that selling out weapons and other warfare correlated items would really be in expense in countries taxes which it would really be the usual case. In speaking about other things been attached for them to profit out then i do agree with those third parties too, this is why wars becomes that too long duration because as long it would be still happening then it would really be a continuous flow in terms of revenue.
Its a wicked world and only to those people who are in position and power or fame would be always be having the advantage on making themselves even more richer on which its not really that something shocking
if we do speak about reality. Is there something we can do as an ordinary citizen? There's none and thats why we do live on a world where these things do happening around and it does really affect out economically which its never been new.

As said War is the ground to measure the ability of different weapons as well as show who's product is superior to the other. Here the third party would sell products to both the countries involved in war. This is pure politics connected with business, because initially the country who holds big volume of weapons provide support with free weapons and further on discount and later on pricing. Whenever a war is happening it is the responsibility of the governments to get into discussion and make an end and war isn't the solution. This is kind of wasting people's money and making their living even worse.

I also agree and it makes sense if you say a third party can take advantage of both sides when two countries are at war. Because this third party is a party who really wants to take advantage of this moment as an opportunity to make money from both of them, so that party will not care about the level of difficulty that occurs in the war, but only see how many opportunities he can take advantage of in these conditions.

While devastating, it has unfortunately played an integral part of collective human development, for reasons that are terrible and some not so bad.

What I mean here is the process of Destroy, Rebuild, Stagnate, Destroy etc.

Following destruction, a large amount of effort is put into rebuilding. During the rebuild, things are planned and thought out better than the previous time. As completion of rebuilding is done, comfort sets back in which causes the journey toward stagnant progress, which is eventually removed when the next destruction occurs.

It's a sad process though this is what history has taught most small-medium sized countries.


The war spans much further than Russia and Ukraine. NATO play an integral role in the control of the malicious pawn that is Ukraine. It is portrayed in the media that Russia is the bad country and Ukraine is this saint-like victim. This is not the case though. From the beginning, tensions and treaty violations were NATO puppeteering Ukraine. Russia is no saint, but the chain of events isn't as published.

After the war is done, rebuilding will occur for whichever countries need it, they'll come back stronger. As for surrounding countries, they will be included in this process as the victim country will need resources from its neighbours.

Selling weapons and aiding war efforts boosts economies, notably in the US. Not all is black and white. Consider post-war reconstruction. Many countries, even the winners, need years and a lot of money to recover. Despite appearances, economies are based on war and conflict and cannot persist

It's tragic that the public suffers the most. This is why peaceful solutions are crucial, no matter how difficult. Peace implies respecting everyone's human rights

War brings a lot of benefits to the victors, but these are only short-term benefits. In fact, the countries that sell weapons to both sides are the real winners. Looking at history, one of the reasons the US grew so fast and rich was also through selling weapons and providing foreign currency to countries during world wars.

The economy is affected by the war, which has a strong impact on society and it is the people who are severely affected whether they participate directly or indirectly. While it is true that there will be people who will not be affected by this, it is undeniable that the people are still the ones who bear the ultimate burden and do not benefit the most in this war.

I wouldn't say the country that sells the weapons but instead the company that sells them. Take a look at US for example. As the biggest weapons seller in this war the arms manufacturers and the arms dealers are making tons of money but US itself is experiencing inflation and recession at the same time with the national debt growing by the trillions every couple of months as the government can not keep up with its massive expenses while the banks keep shutting down one at a time and people who can no longer pay their debt due to high interest rates and the inflation that eats through their income.

Exactly, the third party. In some cases, you will even see that third party selling to all of those countries involved in the war to get as many profits as they can get. They certainly did not lose anything but they gained millions, probably even billions for that. They did not directly participate in the war, they only did business.

By the way, a cool nuance regarding official Russian data on Russia's GDP.
I will not explain what this indicator means and how it is calculated.
So here is what is interesting, in the realities of Russia. GDP is something that is consumed inside the country, for the population and economy of the country (this is very primitive). So in Russia 2023, about 50%+ of the budget goes to the military-industrial complex. That's shells, tanks, ammunition. All of which are soon to be destroyed in Ukraine. I.e. it only brings costs. But for beautiful statistics, the Russian Ministry of Finance counts it as "industrial production" and counts it in GDP. So ... count for yourself how "beautiful" everything is there

Ah yes. You will ask a question - where do such figures - 50% ? I agree, without argumentation is not very beautiful ! I correct !
1. In the Russian Federation, the government has classified a quarter of all expenditures for 2023. This is all the expenses for a "2-3 week special military operation"
2. 25% is the official data on OPEN cost items from the budget.

So irreversible degradation is exactly what is happening to the Russian economy now.

The reality behind the war is perfectly said in the quote. Maybe one can claim that they've won the war. The same doesn't mean they're at the top and haven't affected by the war. It completely destroys the growth. Most of the time the war takes place in growing countries which is kind of hidden politics to down the growth of country.

In a war everything is a loss, except the country who sells weapons to the war participants were the benefitting one.

Third party is not an unambiguous concept either !
For example, the position of Poland is also a third party, but they are not the initiators of these events, they got involved because of the events. And their benefit was that by transferring Soviet-made airplanes to Ukraine, on the one hand they helped Ukraine to destroy aggressors, on the other hand they benefited from receiving new models of airplanes for arming.
Or here is India - buys oil for pennies and earns on it perfectly well, forcing "friend" to fulfill all the whims of India
Perhaps there are countries, "third party", which could push Russia to aggression against Ukraine, expecting to get their benefit - for example, losing all military potential, economy, etc., to get it, Russia, in their possession?! I assume (but this is only my personal assumptions) that there is such a country on the map, and it is it that started to buy grain in Russia and Ukraine directly and indirectly in 2020-2021.

I remember there was a quote that said: you may have won the battle, but we have won the war; but everyone lost.

This quote really hits deep when you think about the consequences of war both in the winner and on the loser side. Sure, the winner may have won but at what cost? Money on ammunition, explosives, etc. have been used; lives were lost; and the economic impact which would therefore last for ages would soon hit the country.

In war, the only one that benefits is actually no one. Everyone is lost during the war due to its overall impact to everyone,

In the war between Russia and Ukraine, Russia is the aggressor, that is, the attacking side. Its bad and bloodthirsty leader Putin would have won if, as he expected, he would have captured Ukraine in a short time. But he miscalculated and Ukraine, with the support of other states, inflicted colossal material and human losses on the aggressor. This hit Putin's image very painfully, and he, and possibly the state itself, will not recover from this.
I am sure that Putin is now very sorry that he attacked Ukraine, but it is already impossible to return to the position before the attack.

I think, bad leaders are the one benefiting from war most because war always give them access to make a huge demand from the government resources that will affect the economy and the citizens of those two party, which they will not use the money to solve the problem in the land. Like the war that is going on between Ukraine and Russia government, if the world peace Makers can investigate the cause of the war very well, you will discover that the bad leaders in the two countries are the one looking for way to loot the government resources. I believe, very soon the war will be over, and those behind the war will be brought to book , and they will definitely vomit what they have consum from the war.

You are mixing things together, are you talking about war or conquest, they are different things. You do not have to be at war to be a great power in the global sphere, once you build your economy and you build your recognition and power and your relationship with other countries concluded the rest, then it will happen, it doesn't have to be through the war that destroys.

As for Nazi Germany's remarks, that's a crazy example just like what Putin is doing now, Nazis want more territory because of their hunger for power, but did it help them, no of course, it only relegated the country after losing money, people, power and their respect. This happened until current Germany made people believe they were sorry. Or what has Russia of now gained or will gain in its present war with Ukraine? Nothing my friend, they can't certainly benefit anything.

And for the countries engaging in the war themselves no benefits, not even the winners. Politicians and military high rankings might gain truly, but when it comes to the countries involved as I said earlier, there is no benefit on any side that at war, they will both suffer catastrophe of the war. Only external countries supplying weapon and raw material benefits.

Do you mean participating in war does not bring any benefit? As I said that's our thinking, but politicians won't think so. If war does not bring benefits, then why did Nazi Germany want to annex the world, why did the US, French, and British empires in the 90s sent troops to invade countries and were ready to destroy them all? And do you see that the countries that specialize in invading other countries are now great powers? What politicians want is to show their power, want people to obey them, but they don't think about the safety of others.

I agree that war will cause losses but if they win the spoils will be much bigger. I am not surprised that it is the countries that do not participate in the war that benefit the most because they are the arms sellers, the longer the war goes on, the higher their revenue is, and they are even the instigators of the war.