Topic: War: who benefits and how! - page 8. (Read 1865 times)

War certainly brings huge losses, the loss of life continues to occur, the bombs and damage are so massive that it makes the countries involved in the war suffer huge losses, and during a war of course there is no economic activity, the farmers cannot take care of the rice fields, oil and gas is disrupted thus creating problems complicated.

To me, I think that the heavy destructive effects of war to humanity is far beyond any perceived benefit anyone can think of because during war, innocent children who are absolutely ignorant of the contentions that led to war are being in killed in cold blood.

That being said, there are people or nations who does wish for other nations or people to engage in war because of the huge economic benefits they're going  to derive when these wars happen. Some nations go as far as inciting violence and war with documentaries of past historical sad events thereby refreshing the wounds of the disadvantageous nations and make them to take actions in they think can be take to revenge their past horrors.

By invading Ukraine and unleashing a long war in Europe, which is now in its second year, Russia has spurred an arms race and this situation will clearly not be in its favor. In the war with Ukraine, high-precision NATO weapons proved to be excellent. Therefore, the demand for it will increase many times over, while at the same time the vaunted Russian weapons will not be in sufficient demand. Therefore, the military-industrial complex of the NATO countries will win.

In addition, there is another trend that is not in favor of Russia. Now European countries are actively helping Ukraine with military equipment and ammunition. First of all, Ukraine is being given Soviet weapons, which are still left in Europe, and are also being assembled around the world, which are familiar in Ukraine and which they can immediately send to the front. In exchange for Soviet, Russian weapons, these countries are receiving more modern NATO weapons, and this process is already irreversible. Europe, like other countries, against the backdrop of this war, as well as tensions with China and Iran, is not only rearming, but also greatly increasing its military potential.

The most  beneficial are the countries that sells arms and ammunitions to those countries in War, imagine that with the out of stock , each countries needs more shells and mortars to sustain the war and they need suppliers , and in this those big nations are the winners.

and also for the opposing countries? both are losers because even if they won the war and gets loots? this is not enough to recover the losses.

You are very much mistaken! Iran is neither the only nor the largest supplier of oil. And its reserves do not make the weather on the world market.
By the way, like the change in the supply of Russian oil, nothing has changed .. Although no, it has changed - now Russia does not receive megaprofits, because its "friends" buy oil from the outcast country. India and China. As we say, "with such friends you don't need enemies" They force Russia, using its hopeless situation, to sell oil at a price at the cost line, or even lower I.e. anyway, yes - it's funny, yesterday's country, which imagined itself to be the "second pole of the world", has now become a raw materials appendage and a submissive slave of India and China

It's devastating that there is always one who will suffer more and neighboring countries benefits. There is nothing to be happy with war aside from getting out from it. Tho peace and money can possible be gained from war, children and the innocent people always suffer the most while those in the position who decided to make the war happen are sitting comfortably. Good leadership will prevent this kind of crisis, I believe.

War of course is a disaster that can occur in the long run, countries that are at war certainly need a long time to recover, as happened in the Balkan countries where there was a war about 30 years ago but the trauma is still felt today, but war also brings benefits to other countries that sell any product in a warring country, and usually the supplying country must be prepared to take risks if the country is in debt and pays in the long term.

Putin began preparing for a large-scale invasion of Ukraine by denying the very concept of statehood and sovereignty of Ukraine. That is, he did not recognize Ukraine as an independent state, but Ukrainians as a nation. And then the conclusion is simple: since there is no Ukraine as a state, then you can go in and seize, as it were, no man's territory. This is Putin's insanity in the 21st century.

And Putin still periodically changes the reasons for the attack on Ukraine, and there is no point in discussing them. He began by saying that Ukraine should be "demilitarized", that is, destroy its army and deprive it of the ability to defend itself, and "denazify", that is, destroy Ukraine as a nation, although he interprets this a little differently. The fact that Putin said that he is against Ukraine joining NATO and this is another reason for attacking it is not true, if only because he does not attack Finland and Sweden because these countries decided in the past year also to join NATO and in this way, NATO is advancing directly to the northern borders of Russia. Russia threatened Finland a little and calmed down.

Russians are now killing Ukrainians for the very recognition of themselves as Ukrainians. This is a direct genocide of the Ukrainian people. Whatever Putin and his entourage say, Russia is waging an open war of conquest. The countries of Europe have long understood: if Ukraine ceases to defend itself, it will cease to exist as an independent state, and then the war will come to Europe, and in order for the war to end and peace to come, it is enough for Russia to withdraw its occupying troops from Ukraine and stop killing Ukrainians.

I answer according to you
1. Russia does not want to invade, it invaded in 2014, destroyed the citizens of Ukraine, annexed the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, created 2 sewers - the DPR and the LPR. It is a fact.

2. For those who do not read carefully or selectively read: the attack on Ukraine took place in 2014, Ukraine adopted the first official document in 2018, on the replacement of army standards from USSR standards to NATO standard armies, and possibly subsequent entry into NATO . I’ll clarify right away that the legal procedure for joining NATO for Ukraine is years, if not decades!

3. "if this comedian Zelensky stops" - well, no offense, I'll switch to your format - the old, senile homo-pedophile Putin, started the war, cowardly, in his usual manner, decided to cowardly shift the blame onto President Zelensky, who DEFENDS Ukraine, and opposes a terrorist horde led by a cowardly homo-pedophile Putin Well, how do you like your approach?
Your ability to try to humiliate a person because of his past does you no credit. But remember - in response you will receive the same answer, especially since Putin's real status is really vile, and corresponds to what I wrote
And a successful comedian is a good indicator in any case, it's better than a pedophile terrorist! Whatever Zelensky is, he makes efforts to protect his country, and does not destroy his country as a pathetic parody of the Fuhrer, Putin
I will add - I am not a supporter of Zelensky

By the way, your example looks like this - you fell ill with a very dangerous disease, which if left untreated - a fatal outcome is guaranteed, takes strong antibiotics ... And then the deadly virus that you successfully resist declares - that's it, I suggest not to eat antibiotics - this is evil, stop taking them, and I promise that you will not get sick Understand what is the nonsense of your speech? Putin attacked, destroys Ukraine, but invites Zelensky to stop resisting, and not start withdrawing Russian troops from the territory of Ukraine!

PS I strongly recommend that you study the REAL reasons for Russian aggression against Ukraine

Yes, there are beneficiaries of this war and they benefit in different ways. My general opinion is that the most to benefit is that the arms manufacturers benefit from the war because the ideal situation for them is to arm both sides of the conflict. This increases the demand for their products and services, resulting in increased profits. Another impact of this condition is to produce an increase in geopolitical influence for the warring countries, whether military or other forces.

War is never been good and how are the ones who do see this as a good thing? In speaking about mainly on how many lives been wasted and been affected then its not something that people should be happy.Lots of lives been affected and lots of structures been destroyed or simply to those affected areas then we do know on what it looks like.

If we do point out fingers on whose the one is making profits or benefits out of these wars? Then to those people who are sitting on top of ranks or position.
They are the ones who do sell out weaponry which is been consumed and other war related vehicles and tools which we know that these things arent for free.

The devastating effects of war, including loss of life, destruction of infrastructure, and economic downturns, far outweigh any perceived benefits.

But then there are the Radical elements who looks to profit from the misfortune of others.
 These range from corrupt persons within the ranks of the conflicting nations to corporate institutions and stakeholders outside, with vested interest in a prolonged conflict because of profits. Such as the makers and suppliers of weapons of warfare.
So then let us answer this simple question, who has been supplying the most weapon but doesn't have a foot on ground?

There is the answer you need.

Ok let's put it your way then.
Russia wants to invade Ukraine? I don't think so. They are just trying to stop them from becoming a part of NATO. Putin even said that they'll peacefully end this if that comedian Zelenskyy would stop this destructive fight instead of sending all the people of Ukraine on warground. Isn't it stupid?
Neither am I offended, nor am I defending Russia. But all I want is peace in this world and not a situation where civilians suffer due to politicians, be it through this war between Russia and Ukraine or if the situation intensifies, through WW3.

Do not be offended, but you, too, confuse cause and effect, and do not study these events with the necessary attention. aid to Ukraine did not start after the idiotic pretext for the attack on Ukraine in 2014. And only in the summer of 2022, after the start of the second massive military-terrorist operation against Ukraine by Russia. And only after 4 months of fierce fighting. And do you know why? Most likely not, or pretending not to have heard - Russia has openly stated that after Ukraine, its goal is Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and other countries that were previously part of the Warsaw Pact. At the same time, the world saw that even Hitler's Nazis did not do such monstrous crimes and destruction as Russia does on the territory of Ukraine! And then the West, realizing that after the capture of Ukraine, the terrorist country will invade the EU already, they stopped cowardly sitting out pretending that nothing was happening, and began to help the Ukrainians DEFEND. And only recently, more powerful weapons began to arrive, before that there was only weapons for deterrence. So do not manipulate information and replace cause and effect!

Great thread by you OP.
Nobody sees anything good in war because peace is the only option to live and let live in this world. The thing Ukraine isn't understanding is, NATO is not defending or helping them (because Ukraine has not yet signed them yet) but NATO is fuelling this war just because they see good in this.

You will ask: How?
When NATO countries (I won't take names here) are sending money and all types of missiles and equipment to give Russia a strong tackle, they're doing this all because of one reason, to weaken Russia in terms of nuclear weapons that they are using to safeguard themselves and give a tough fight to NATO. Just think that why NATO countries are not directly getting involved into this? You've the reason now.

You should explore modern russia, but outside of moscow and st. petersburg. You will see that this is almost the stone age of the 21st century. When they started talking about sanctions and how this would affect SIMPLE Russians, I said back in 2022 that the sanctions would not affect ordinary people, or the majority of the inhabitants of Russia! For the simple reason that their standard of living already looks wild and backward, and it is almost impossible to lower it even lower!
But the Kremlin's parody of the Fuhrer needs to somehow divert the attention of its slaves, with "great victories" and the "revival of the USSR" - otherwise the masses will begin to rage and demand explanations of where most of the money goes from "all the resources of the countryman concentrated in Russia, the richest country in the world": )

The oil thing is so far out funny at this moment that, I can't believe that the world can still turn a blind eye to it. You know who controls all the oil in all of Iraq right now? American companies.

Yes that's right, they went there, they said there were weapons of mass destruction, realized there were none, tens of thousands of people died, even hundreds of thousands if you count all the Iraqis that died, and in return, what did they do? Left a chaotic nation who is doing much worse than before America got there, and in return of all the terrible things and mistakes they did, they took all the oil they had as a payment. How could this be ok with anyone in the world is beyond me.

war will make a victorious country superior, but more negative impacts caused by hunger food supply less chaos everywhere, and of course the loss of life that cannot be avoided.
Coupled with current global economic issues that make almost all citizens in the world experience difficulties.

Only the business of war machines can be profitable as well as the fuels that are why those who made tanks, weapons and bombs are having a lot of things to do because countries are ordering a lot of them. While people in the warzone are hiding and starving because of the chaos. The only valid thing that I want to see is that only those presidents would be at war and not those people that lived in their places since the most affected are the people.

Affecting all of us is truly the sad part about this which is  also a selfish move by the engager and it's allies for fueling this war which is something I would never have thought would happen in the 21st century and beyond...

As much as war is bad,this could have seen some benefiting in terms of fetching higher prices for some of the materials needed in this war like bullets ( technically making copper prices go up) , oil prices per barrel has equally gone up making any suppliers more richer and all this seems calculated to make this all artificial manipulation.

I guess other benefits the war has brought is opening up new markets for trade in commodities that cannot be supplied by either Russia or Ukraine as they are preoccupied with the war.