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legendary
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March 13, 2023, 05:46:41 AM
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.


For the families directly affected by war it's terrible, but there are a lot of companies who profit directly from it. The first beneficiary that come to mind are all the arms companies that produce equipment needed in Ukraine. There is a lot of demand for ammunition, tanks, planes and missles. Then you have the indirect effect of all major countries in the world increasing their military budget and modernising their army. Any company involved in the military supply chain should be doing well. The second big sector profiting from the war is the energy market. All the major corporations increased their prices and profit from the sanctions against Russia. Last year there were large profits for the energy companies.

It would be possible to talk about the beneficiaries if they were the initiator of the massacre in Ukraine, which Russia has staged since 2014. Well, or does it turn out that Putin is a submissive executor of the will of the arms companies? Smiley
Now you are confusing cause and effect ... I don’t deny it - against the backdrop of the terrorist war unleashed by Russia in Ukraine, defense companies in the West were forced to earn money, which positively affected their economy, which suffered from covid and other world problems. But this is a consequence, not a cause. Moreover, income is an accompanying process of helping Ukraine in the destruction of world terrorism in the face of Russia and its terrorist army, and I don’t see anything wrong with that!
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March 12, 2023, 04:56:56 PM
War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
War is one way to reduce a whole civilisation back to its stone age. It usually that damaging as in a matter of days or weeks, years of work would be reduced to rumbles.

In a war, no one really gets to benefit if we look at it grossly. Everyone loses eventually.  Nations gets to lose there economic power and the wealth of there armory is diminished hence, there would be a need to visit the treasury.

Then, there are those that becomes opportunist and that is those that control the food. Eventually, the way of life of a people and means of livelihood is rendered useless and man must eat no matter what. Having food and being able to secure as well as get it out to the needing masses would make you an important figure.
legendary
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March 12, 2023, 03:51:13 PM
Frankly, the US is the cause of this war, and they are the party that is receiving a lot of orders to buy weapons from allies in the world, so it can be said that the US is the most beneficial party. Besides, because of the war, the world fell into an economic crisis, also when they exported inflation to the countries that were their debtors.

1. Do you just hate the USA because the standard of living in the USA is not available to you? Smiley
2. And now seriously:
- tell us about the background and situation in Ukraine in 2010-2013
- what is the influence of the United States on what is happening in Ukraine during the specified period
- What are the reasons, confirmed by facts, of the growing discontent of the citizens of Ukraine, to which I belong, and was a direct participant in the Maidan?
- tell the real story of the events of November 2013-February 2014, and what is the US participation in these events?

And then we will laugh together, and you will be ashamed for the fact that you wrote nonsense in the likeness of this inference of yours ...
PS I'm sure you won't answer Smiley Well, or it will be a set of clichés from anti-American "manuals" prepared by outcast countries ...
legendary
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March 12, 2023, 02:20:53 PM


The biggest winner will be Russia, but only if they will manage to win the war. They will get morale boost, Ukrainian territory, people, remaining industry, sea ports  etc etc etc.


Russia will no longer win this war, and this is already obvious. As soon as the weather is good for the offensive of heavy equipment and Ukraine receives the military assistance promised from the West, which is already arriving, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will counterattack and in May-June will inflict a residual defeat on Russian troops, and will also liberate almost all of their occupied territories.

Despite the mobilization of more than 300,000 of its citizens since September and the general offensive in eastern Ukraine, Russia has not been able to achieve any success at the front in recent months. Moreover, the largest armored offensive by the Russians near Ugledar turned into a major defeat, where over 130 armored vehicles were destroyed (including 36 tanks), and elite units of the Russian airborne troops were defeated. Moreover, these units never reached the front line and were completely defeated on the way.
Since May last year, Russia has been attacking the city of Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine to no avail. Almost the entire 50,000-strong Wagner PMC and the remnants of the 200,000-strong Russian invasion army in February last year ingloriously perished here. Russia is already running out of military equipment and now rarities from the Second World War are already getting to the front, and Russian troops are increasingly refusing to attack the fortified positions of the defenders of Ukraine. The Russian command has recently chosen the "meat rampart" tactic, when, without artillery preparation and armored vehicle support, it continuously attacks the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in small groups of 10-20 people. Probably in the hope that the barrels of their weapons will overheat in the Ukrainians or the cartridges will run out. Over the past 24 hours alone, more than a hundred attacks by the invaders have been repulsed, and their daily losses on the Ukrainian front often amount to more than a thousand people.


Just to remind you Ukraine has been receiving military equipment from it's allies worth billions of dollars since day one. Why do you think that receiving 30 or 40 German tanks will improve the situation considerably?

As to Bakhmut, from what I've read, is already under siege, it's only a matter of time that it's going to fall. By the way, the attack on Bakhmut started in November not in May as you mentioned. In May some shelling by the Russians took place though. At least that's what Wikipedia has on record. And you didn't mention the Ukrainian losses and they should be pretty severe too.

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After such a defeat, Russia is unlikely to remain within its current borders. Five regions of Russia have already held an online referendum for secession from Russia and the formation of independent states. Further it will be even more interesting.

Sounds interesting... Could you please provide a link to your source?
legendary
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March 12, 2023, 10:55:59 AM
In times of war, people with enough resources always made money. Usually, both countries suffer, and few merchants living in the countries make money. In every war, the same people, the same companies, make money. In a complete cycle, humanity actually loses in this process. If these wars were not chaos, perhaps there would be a much faster rise. Ukraine war, a whole country has to leave its homeland. We wish the wars to end
legendary
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March 12, 2023, 01:03:58 AM
for me there is nothing profitable because both of them suffered losses both financially and human lives and will always be remembered badly in the future,although there are winners I don't think they are also profited because it is considered a usurpation that they did by making a resistance,but for other countries that sell arms to the two countries that are at war it is indeed very profitable, but for those who are at war like today russia and ukraine they are equally detrimental.
I think Putin may have? I am not entirely sure and I do not know Russian politics but it is obvious that he did it to consolidate power and he wanted to control the nation in a way like "we are in a war right now and you are talking about politics, shame on you! how can you speak these things when we are in a war!" type of way.

I know this because I have seen it happen a million times in history, people who were barely in power created chaos so that they could act as if they are controlling the chaos and ignore the fact that they were the ones who created the chaos, and they will find someone supporting them as well. You will see that Putin won't give up power unless he dies or he is killed, there is no way to democratically get rid of him, impossible.
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March 11, 2023, 08:58:09 PM
War is a big and serious disaster, a lot of infrastructure such as bridges, roads, public facilities, airports and others are damaged and even destroyed so that when the war ends many countries are in debt to build infrastructure, of course the countries that lose in the war will suffer greatly and it will take tens of years to recover, but there are those who benefit from war, namely countries that produce weapons, foodstuffs and others.
In fact, it is certain that whoever is in war will not benefit, it is certain that he will experience losses that will be prolonged and will disrupt the country's economy. winning or losing is the same as losing, because everything is sacrificed for the sake of the ego of the war, which will obviously have an impact on all existing activities.
completely agree that from the war the beneficiaries are those who make things worse by providing weapons and if they need more they have to pay and not yet with the need for food and clothing.
so war really doesn't have a good effect, so avoid war as long as the peace door can still be run.


War broke out because of the competition for benefits, so when two countries fight with each other, there will be one country to win, which is the country that benefits. If war does not bring benefits, then no country needs war because it will cause damage in all aspects of the country.

We don't need war, but politicians and arms dealers need war to bring them profits as well as power. Without war, politicians cannot consolidate their power.
true friends, sad because many want to be controlled and used as puppets to do everything they want, including war. but those who fought did not realize that they were being made puppets because their egos were put forward without thinking about the impact that would occur after the post-war itself.

Those who supply accommodation for the war certainly hope that it will continue to happen because they do have other intentions, where they hope that what will be needed will be provided, even though initially as aid but later it will be used as a necessity and must be purchased.

all play and make the war a field for profit, politicians seek sensation and producers of war equipment make profits from the tools purchased.
This is an unbreakable chain which is indeed interrelated and mutually beneficial, not for the warring countries themselves.
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legendary
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March 11, 2023, 07:14:33 AM
Frankly, the US is the cause of this war, and they are the party that is receiving a lot of orders to buy weapons from allies in the world, so it can be said that the US is the most beneficial party. Besides, because of the war, the world fell into an economic crisis, also when they exported inflation to the countries that were their debtors.

I think that you maybe partly right.However we are in the brink of another economic collapse,similar to that of Lehman Brothers in 2008 as the main banks are all over the news now and their failures with Silicon Valley Bank being one heavily seen in the news in the Internet right now but not only that,even Barclays.So war can never bring anything positive no matter who is winning and who is losing,even if US is getting more orders to sell weapons how do you explain that most likely we are going to see a recession soon starting from the very US country which of course I don't wish but things are looking exactly that way,so there are no real winners in a war.

In my opinion, the negative situation in the US economy is not a consequence of the war in Ukraine.  

In 2008, the world experienced an economic crisis.  

However, its causes have not been reliably established and not eliminated.  Instead, a policy of quantitative easing was announced, that is, there was a massive emission of US dollars and their distribution to all interested parties.  

In fact, it was the state's rescue of inefficient owners (large banks and corporations) from bankruptcy.  However, even after the stabilization of the economic situation, inefficient owners remained inefficient owners.  

The situation was exacerbated by the coronavirus covid-19 - - the answer to it was an even more massive emission of funds.  There is a lot of money in the world and very few efficient producers.  

This is the reason for the current economic crisis of 2023....
sr. member
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March 11, 2023, 06:58:15 AM
for me there is nothing profitable because both of them suffered losses both financially and human lives and will always be remembered badly in the future,although there are winners I don't think they are also profited because it is considered a usurpation that they did by making a resistance,but for other countries that sell arms to the two countries that are at war it is indeed very profitable, but for those who are at war like today russia and ukraine they are equally detrimental.
Based on my history classes and on my understanding, I see that people who benefits on war are obviously the one who wins. Especially when it comes on owning one territory. Just like what happen in my country hundred years ago. Many country owned are land up to the point that our national heroes fought back and do everything for our freedom. I'm glad that they won the battle against invader. In the end its beneficial to all of us since we are now not under any foreign country at all. One point also I see why they start war is because they want lands with lots of minerals that I see as a benefits for who ever have it in the end of the battle. Which can help for their economy to grow in the future.
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March 11, 2023, 05:28:49 AM
for me there is nothing profitable because both of them suffered losses both financially and human lives and will always be remembered badly in the future,although there are winners I don't think they are also profited because it is considered a usurpation that they did by making a resistance,but for other countries that sell arms to the two countries that are at war it is indeed very profitable, but for those who are at war like today russia and ukraine they are equally detrimental.
hero member
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March 11, 2023, 04:47:27 AM
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.


For the families directly affected by war it's terrible, but there are a lot of companies who profit directly from it. The first beneficiary that come to mind are all the arms companies that produce equipment needed in Ukraine. There is a lot of demand for ammunition, tanks, planes and missles. Then you have the indirect effect of all major countries in the world increasing their military budget and modernising their army. Any company involved in the military supply chain should be doing well. The second big sector profiting from the war is the energy market. All the major corporations increased their prices and profit from the sanctions against Russia. Last year there were large profits for the energy companies.
legendary
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March 11, 2023, 04:12:00 AM
Frankly, the US is the cause of this war, and they are the party that is receiving a lot of orders to buy weapons from allies in the world, so it can be said that the US is the most beneficial party. Besides, because of the war, the world fell into an economic crisis, also when they exported inflation to the countries that were their debtors.

I think that you maybe partly right.However we are in the brink of another economic collapse,similar to that of Lehman Brothers in 2008 as the main banks are all over the news now and their failures with Silicon Valley Bank being one heavily seen in the news in the Internet right now but not only that,even Barclays.So war can never bring anything positive no matter who is winning and who is losing,even if US is getting more orders to sell weapons how do you explain that most likely we are going to see a recession soon starting from the very US country which of course I don't wish but things are looking exactly that way,so there are no real winners in a war.
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March 11, 2023, 03:58:22 AM
In fact, it is certain that whoever is in war will not benefit, it is certain that he will experience losses that will be prolonged and will disrupt the country's economy. winning or losing is the same as losing, because everything is sacrificed for the sake of the ego of the war, which will obviously have an impact on all existing activities.
completely agree that from the war the beneficiaries are those who make things worse by providing weapons and if they need more they have to pay and not yet with the need for food and clothing.
so war really doesn't have a good effect, so avoid war as long as the peace door can still be run.
for me, war is the same as economics, government officials have of course calculated the gains and losses from the war, they issued capital in the form of weapons and soldiers, of course the next government must have more profit than that, maybe it can be in the form of a supply of resources nature or something. but the war made civilians especially suffer, even to the loss of their brethren. especially for colonized countries, of course, more suffering will be felt
You mean to say part of the economic issue? Governments can sometimes prepare a weapon in case there is an unexpected war that will spark. Some like Russia are doing it for the gain and maybe you are right that they already have done some calculations. Capital or money is issued on different things but if they can sell weapons and supply soldiers, they still can get money out of it.

Wars are devastating to the country's economy and mostly innocent people are affected with it. That is why many of us are against it and we hate those selfish governments who can only think about their selves. They can be punished thru sanctions but we people are still affected with it.
sr. member
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March 10, 2023, 05:18:07 PM
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Is there any benefit in war than destabilizing the economy and lots worth of life and properties rendering them into waste, we could go back to the history in seing how the past experience with war look like for those that never had any before, it's something not worth taking about because this is life we are talking about going on waste, blood shed and many infiltration of pains and hunger on fellow human beings, this is were we see a practical example of having ban on economical activities on certain location in form of embargo, if we are to ask those that witnessed it before, all they tell is there's no benefit in making war.
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March 10, 2023, 03:21:15 PM
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Those who produce and sell weapons always benefit the most from war, because during wars the demand for weapons increases. The data show that in just one year, Ukraine consumed as much specific artillery ammunition as the US otherwise produces in even 5 years - and now, of course, production must be significantly increased in order to satisfy the demand to some extent.

Another industry that profits are those that produce medical supplies, especially those used on the battlefield such as bandages, infusions, painkillers and the like. In addition, the war creates thousands of disabled people who need prostheses and various other medical aids.

For most people, war means death, serious injuries, loss of apartments, houses, cars and more or less serious psychological consequences in the form of post-traumatic stress. However, for some it is really a time of great profit - and in my area there is a saying that says "war is a war for someone, and a brother for someone else".
You are right on this mate. The only people who benefit when there is war is the one who provide the weapons and those who provide medical kits to cure the injured people. Other than that, the rest of the people do not benefit at all but end up being threatened and abused. And maybe, the party who initiate the war first might be somehow celebrating its victory, even though numbers of their citizens are also being injured.
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March 10, 2023, 01:40:37 PM
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I personally judged it from the war between the two countries, Russia. Even though it was battered by many European sanctions, Russia was still able to reduce the inflation rate for 7 months in a row. This means that Russia also benefits. Then America is the most profitable from the sale of weapons and energy sources to Europe. The biggest loser is Ukraine. Really have to cry, drenched in blood and crying blood.
Russia is bad because it has been fighting Ukraine, but the US and its Alliance are in fact much worse because in all aspects they are very selfish.
Whether Russia was able to reduce the inflation rate or sanctions, that's not the point here.what I am after right now is for the war to stop as soon as possible so that the people of ukta9can go back to there country and build it again. This war had caused a lots of suffering for the people of Ukraine and the entire world. I am still witching and praying that this war is going to end one.

 The NATO are not even planning to end the war so that things are going to come back to normal. We need pea e in the world and how we are going to end it is by negotiating on how to stop the war.
legendary
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March 10, 2023, 01:08:14 PM
#96
Wars, as always, can create opportunities for some people or countries. However, these opportunities are often limited in the long run and the devastating effects of war are often outweighed by the economic and human losses felt around the world.

The Russia-Ukraine war may have created opportunities for some companies and countries. For example, some defense industry companies may profit from selling arms and other defense equipment to the warring parties. Also, some countries may find opportunities in this regard, as they are forced to reduce their gas purchases from Russia and turn to alternative energy sources.
I am not well versed in Ukraine and Russia war and I can't talk about that. But I remember clearly about USA vs Iraq war, one that was basically as terrible as it gets, hundreds of thousands of people dead, and a whole nation still not recovered because of the war.

Because America wanted to get rid of a dictator, if that was the only reason, they would have gone there, get the dictator, and leave. However, they stayed and derailed the whole nation and now people are starving and basically living in confusion there. Meanwhile, warhawks of USA made tens of billions of dollars from it, they just sold the trillion dollar war to congress and made a killing off it as well.
legendary
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March 10, 2023, 11:14:13 AM
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Bitcoin holders also get the benefit of this war isn't? where the Bitcoin price was slightly drop and it's make people who have cash or stable coin can buy the dip.

Anything beside war will have both advantage and disadvantage, it just depends on your side. Just like this war, are you a Russian? a Ukrainian? or country who sell weapons? Both Russia and Ukraine get the disadvantages, while country who sell weapons are get a lot advantages.

Bitcoin has been in the slump for the past year despite the instability the war causes.

The fact is that Bitcoin is tied to the global economy such that a "dip" in the economic productivity means a dip in crypto prices across the board. Nobody actually wins in war, and that includes crypto users. Even the military industrial complex isn't actually winning long term. Short term weapons contracts might ensure some level of immediate profitability. That doesn't mean the global economic instability wouldn't affect them either.
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March 10, 2023, 10:36:44 AM
#94
Only certain countries have benefited from the war between Russia and Ukraine, including the USA, which supplied their war equipment. The rest of the countries have experienced economic losses and a crisis of natural resources due to a lack of supplies from importing countries.
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March 10, 2023, 10:05:11 AM
#93
Wars, as always, can create opportunities for some people or countries. However, these opportunities are often limited in the long run and the devastating effects of war are often outweighed by the economic and human losses felt around the world.

The Russia-Ukraine war may have created opportunities for some companies and countries. For example, some defense industry companies may profit from selling arms and other defense equipment to the warring parties. Also, some countries may find opportunities in this regard, as they are forced to reduce their gas purchases from Russia and turn to alternative energy sources.
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