Topic: War: who benefits and how! - page 7. (Read 1865 times)

That is not good for us peace-loving citizens, but for politicians, it is necessary to consolidate power as well as show strength. In war, the winner will be the beneficiary, they will have all they want if they win.

In war, the main beneficiaries are the arms sellers, and after the war ends, every country needs capital to rebuild the country, and the lenders benefit.
The wars in Ukraine and Russia are hurting the people of both countries and affecting everyone in the world, but there are always beneficiaries in it, and that's why they don't want it to end early.

due to pressing needs, we can sell at high prices. Of course, in a war situation, it will be difficult for us to make ends meet as normal, so even though they are expensive because of scarcity, we still buy them. In this case, I think that Ukraine is the most disadvantaged, because more infrastructure is damaged, and indeed it is an opportunity for neighboring countries to provide materials needed for warring countries.

War of course makes huge losses more than benefits, only a few countries can benefit from war, usually countries that have special relations that can supply countries that are at war, as happened with the Ukraine vs Russia war of course the countries bordering these 2 countries benefit because during the war many economic activities could not be carried out.

If we discard Russia's aggression towards other countries and look "inside" - today Putin is actually destroying Russia, its future, and has crossed out almost any qualitative prospects for many decades ...
And the demographic problem, which has already been created, will create huge problems for the whole country for many decades to come.
Internal degradation, the destruction of the population, the degradation of the economy, the status of a pariah country, and other "successes" of Putin can really turn Russia into an absolutely depressive country of the 3rd world, if not worse ...

Moreover, I do not exclude the option of a "quiet" expansion of the same China, which today objectively needs women of childbearing age and those who have the opportunity to bear children. And Russian women may be China's real target. China cares about its demographics, and is already doing everything possible to avoid problems in the future.

The reduction of the male population in the country is, of course, a terrible catastrophe. 

Everything was fine in Russia, the only really serious problem in terms of the country's long-term prospects was the poor demographic situation. 

Sex, not aggression - that should have been the motto of the Russians! 

At the same time, the outflow of young people from Russia continues.  A friend of mine recently told me that he was going to move to Spain, he was afraid of the difficulties he would face in this country, but he had already decided to leave. 

Another friend of mine cannot leave the country yet because of his elderly parents who need constant care.  He says that two events will be the signal for him to leave the country - the adoption of a law on the introduction of the death penalty in the country and the closure of YouTube.  He believes that since the country is very large, he will be able to illegally cross the border at X hour. However, it is possible that this is an illusion.... 

The fate of a huge number of people ruined and crippled.

While the Kremlin propagandists are inventing new fakes, such as about "another capture of Bakhmut", we can get acquainted with real information.
By the way, in order to understand what the "second army of the world" really is, they have been trying to take the small town of Bakhmut for 8 months. Which protects the Armed Forces of Ukraine - "not representing any threat to the Russian army" A huge number of regular troops of the Russian Federation, including elite units, were destroyed there, then there was an attempt to throw the bodies of the mobilized, and then the bodies of the criminals from the PMC Wagner.

Over the past 3 months, according to the OSCE, about 30,000 Russian terrorists have died there. And this is data only on the losses of the regular army of the Russian Federation, excluding PMCs and other terrorist groups. This is data for a short period, from under one small town. You can only guess the real scale of losses ....

Now for the impact. You understand that the main part of those drafted into the Russian terrorist army are men from 20 to 50 years old. Most productive age And now imagine, if according to confirmed data, about 250,000 of them were destroyed in Ukraine. At the same time, "medical losses" - wounded, mutilated, without arms, without legs, who have lost their sight - are approximately 3 times more. In total, approximately 1 million men in Russia simply became useless or disappeared. Another 2 to 4 million left Russia, running away from mobilization. half of them are also men of the most productive age. Now they work for pennies in Georgia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and other border countries.

Now imagine what it means for a country with about 80 million people to lose 2-3 million men of their most productive age?
Of the 80 million, about 40% are pensioners, another 30% are from 0 to 18 years old. The total productive population is about 30%. Or about 24 million. In total, about 3 million of them have been removed.
Why did I specify 80 million? Because this is the real population of Russia and not fake data about 140 million, and this is easily verified ...

Don't you worry! New companies will arise, and everything will be rebuilt... Who owns those companies and how they earned their "first million" is not so important. How they got big contracts is also shady, but is it really matter? The truth is sad, it's all I can say... but the world keeps sping around and we don't have any other choices than to continue to live, the best we can.

just find and subscribe to the Telegram channel "Гeнepaл CBP". Information from the "Kremlin corridors" is constantly published there. On the one hand, I agree - the telegram channel is not the most trusted source of information. On the other hand, by reading the information from this channel and comparing it with what is happening in reality, you can quickly make sure that the information from this channel appears before the events and accurately describes what we should expect. For at least half a year since I subscribed to the channel, I did not see a single piece of news there that was not later confirmed by reality. Just subscribe and compare the "announcement of events" with reality. You can also check some of the numbers that are published there

War isn't something good. No one benefit during or after war no matter the cause of the war. Imagine the resources and infrastructures destroy during the Russia and Ukrinre war recently.

That donpress.com doesn't look like a credible source to me. Besides, according to whois this domain is registered and hosted in Ukraine. You are referring to "some Ukrainian news sources" which definitely contain propaganda (would be logical). In other words: you don't have any credible, reputable, independent source to confirm those numbers. I guess nobody knows the real numbers atm (well apart from Putin and Zelensky and their higher military officers).

In war both sides usually suffer a lot and the other side benefits from the middle and the arms dealers are more. The arms trade seems likely to flourish because there is no sign of the war ending but everyone is more or less losing but benefiting but the united states.  they are trying to get to the door of russia, and they are quite comfortable with the wind in their economy due to the sale of arms and the high value of the dollar all over the world.

Yes, indeed, Ukraine classified information about its losses in the war until the end of hostilities. At first, Russia named the losses, reducing them very much in order to reassure the population of their country, and when the coffins went en masse and it became useless to deny the big losses, they also stopped talking about it. But in Russia they are in control of the situation about their losses at the front in Ukraine and regularly report this to Putin. But foreign intelligence is also working in Russia, and secret data is being leaked. If such information gets into the media, then its sources are hidden. Information about Russia's military losses in Ukraine periodically appears in the media, and at the same time they refer to the Russian Telegram channel "General SVR".
Source : https://donpress.com/news/18-03-2023-putinu-posle-pereryva-ozvuchili-novye-dannye-o-poteryakh-v-ukraine.

I use information from some Ukrainian news sources that I trust. But unfortunately, there is no way to make links to the text.

Russia was counting on such a scenario.
I'll start a little from afar to understand what I mean.
When Russia launched a terrorist attack, and this was in February 2014, and not in 2022, Russia was "probing" the world reaction. And the position of pro-Kremlin politicians in the EU (Merkel, Orban, Berlusconi's entourage, Macron and some others) was "ideal" - everyone stuck their tongues into themselves .... well, you understand where. And they pretended that nothing was happening. Although in Ukraine during the period 2014-2022 a huge number of citizens of Ukraine were destroyed, hundreds of settlements were destroyed .... But the EU and the rest of the world pretended - "well, let them sort it out themselves, we are not interested, it is more interesting for us to share money from the Kremlin's oil and gas "and nothing that this money is in the blood ...
And so it was until 2022. when Putin decided for himself that the world is at his feet, everyone is afraid of him, and everyone will worship him, because he is the "oil and gas god", he has the "second army of the world", and all the policies of the world powers are in his hand ! Plus there was a "blessing" of China, because. China, on the "guinea pig" of Russia, wanted to watch the reaction of the world to the occupation of FOREIGN territories. And on February 24, 2022, Putin, with a sadistic grin, sent his troops to destroy Ukraine as a state and a subject of international law.

The reaction of the United States and Britain completely broke all the plans of the Kremlin ... The sanctions for the terrorist attack on Ukraine turned out to be very harsh. And the Russian miserable parody of the Fuhrer decided to start economic terror against the EU, which supported the sanctions. Here you have seen everything yourself - interruptions in the supply of gas. Moreover, the first "demonstration performances" were long before that. The Kremlin "showed" to Europe what would happen if you "resisted" and "disobeyed Putin." You probably remember the cessation of gas supply to the EU in the winter of 2018 and 2019 (I could be wrong - but information with dates is very easy to find), I think, literally for a couple of days, but .. just to show "who is the boss" ... But ... it turned out that the authorities in Germany had changed, and the "Kremlin bedding" was no longer may have no effect. Although you remember how Merkel tried to persuade him to sit down at the negotiating table and agree to the terms of Russia!
As a result - a complete failure, both in the war (it is going to defeat Russia), and on the world stage - Russia is a rogue country, the president is an international criminal. Perhaps you saw how the USSR collapsed, now we will see how rashism and Russia as its basis cease to exist

War is a big disaster because of the many losses it causes, but behind the war of course there are countries that smile because they get profits, the country is a supplier of weapons, foodstuffs and so on, almost all production activities will stop during the war so that countries that are at war automatically buy from other countries.

of course from every war that took place in several countries there were parties who benefited and there were also parties who felt disadvantaged from the war. for example, the war that is currently going on between Russia and Ukraine, as I have read in a media that in this war there are parties who benefit, namely America.
https://www.cnbcindonesia.com/news/20220818111047-4-364665/rusia-bongkar-dinding-yang-untung-dan-buntung-di-perang-ukraina

it seems that in the link that I included you can see it carefully and thoroughly, who will benefit from the war between Russia and Ukraine!

The destroyed manpower of the terrorist country, this is very good! This is the demoralization of "potential" terrorists, and the weakening of the economy, and the deterioration of the demographic picture.
Thanks to Western partners who supply Ukraine with excellent weapons, which allows, like in a shooting range, to destroy waves of Russian terrorists, whom, according to the habit of the Second World War, the Russian command throws at our fortified areas!
Now there is another component of the defeat of Russia - the destruction of logistics, the destruction or disabling of missile launchers, electronic warfare, support and support systems, radar, ...
Moreover, this is already being done deep behind enemy lines, both by means provided by our friends, and by our own developments, which we managed to "put on stream" last year. Yes, so far ballistic missiles are dangerous, but I'm sure new weapons will level their threats.

Well, it is very important - Ukraine has managed to actually completely destroy the more or less modern part of the tank forces today. Now in Russia they are reopening "scrap metal" produced in the 60-70s of the last century, which morally, qualitatively and technologically, have irreversibly degraded.
A very noticeable blow was also dealt to the Air Force - a significant number of combat aircraft (airplanes and helicopters) were destroyed, elements of the "nuclear triad" - strategic air-missile carriers, early warning systems - were destroyed little by little.

By the way - absolutely whole "unparalleled" T90 tanks were captured, which were disassembled and studied. Bottom line: all high-tech solutions are of Western, not Russian origin, which means that the production of new copies of these weapons becomes, after the imposition of sanctions, almost impossible.

Very interesting info, could you please provide a source/link where you found it? I know that Ukrainian side are not disclosing their losses since day 1, whereas Russians initially started reporting casualties but then apparently stopped and classified this info. I don't think it's possible to find this data online, was there some kind of data leak?

Russia is now suffering colossal losses in the war in Ukraine, which have not been seen since the Second World War.
On March 18, in a morning report to Russian President Vladimir Putin, representatives of the Russian Defense Ministry reported on the irretrievable losses of Russian troops, that is, the number of dead and missing in Ukraine, which amounted to more than 226,000 people. Of these, 165,713 are servicemen of the regular army, 53,592 are members of PMCs and 7,144 are members of the National Guard.

In Russia, more than a quarter of a million have already been killed, several times more wounded. Was it worth it to attack your peaceful neighbors and try to take away their territory and destroy the Ukrainians as a nation? The losses of the invaders will grow much more when the Armed Forces of Ukraine will soon go on the offensive and the Russian front in Ukraine will crumble.

The benefit, direct, in this case can only be in the case of the SALE of these weapons. But in today's situation, when most of the weapons are being transferred to Ukraine to fight the country as an international terrorist, on the basis of gratuitous assistance. Those. market value, not helper countries, nor producing enterprises - do not receive. Of course, the manufacturer receives payment from the budget of his country, but this is not a "market" price and the margin is much lower there.
What definitely works and helps is the revival of the military-industrial complex of the USA, Britain, Germany and other countries. Also - the growth of the prestige of Western technologies and weapons, against the background of the revealed fake status of Russian weapons "unparalleled".

By the way, the military-industrial complex of Ukraine also began to develop since 2016, quite actively, which also helps the country's economy in this situation.

Well, and most importantly, even these advantages were not a goal, but a consequence of the terrorist war unleashed by Russia against Ukraine.

Fighting a war has two side, the arm suppliers and the countries that are involved. During war, the countries that are fighting the war are always creating partnership with other countries to get aid and ammunition supplies to aid them I defeating there adversaries.

Some times any if these countries would not mind exchanging there raw materials to get ammunitions and war equipments from neighboring countries. War is not a thing we should ever wish to see just like the one that is currently happening in Ukraine. Many of the Ukraine citizens had lost their homes, properties, families and friends just because of the conflict between them and Russia.