Topic: War: who benefits and how! - page 10. (Read 1854 times)

War broke out because of the competition for benefits, so when two countries fight with each other, there will be one country to win, which is the country that benefits. If war does not bring benefits, then no country needs war because it will cause damage in all aspects of the country.

We don't need war, but politicians and arms dealers need war to bring them profits as well as power. Without war, politicians cannot consolidate their power.

Perhaps there is no need to judge geopolitically, but when there is a war - typically the Russia-Ukraine war, the long-term macroeconomic interests, the position of the country, the polarization of the world will more or less  target of many other countries.  Specifically in terms of defense weapons, outstanding weapons will be produced and sold to many other countries, bringing great profits to these industries.  Weapon components have also increased in price… I'm not sure that the US and China will be the winners in many respects.  Countries directly in conflict like Russia and Ukraine are absolutely the ones who suffer more, more painfully.
The rest is affected by economic recession due to war, energy, food prices increase due to lack of supply/production.  Separation, isolation and the people living must soak in pain.

If we're gonna talk about economy, no one get any benefits from war. The production of weapons like guns, bullets, missiles, tanks, jet fighters, helicopters, warships, are very expensive that most of the economic budget are being used. Also, the damage of war is the worst, everyone could be affected in the whole world if it's gonna be a nuclear war and more. Whoever wins, it doesn't matter at all, because everything will be destroyed.

War is all about abusing of political power and greediness.

You almost answered the question about the reasons for the war that the terrorist country unleashed, and now it is losing. POWER. Total power and enslavement of peoples, for the monopoly of obtaining super-profits, the realization of kleptomaniac and other fantasies. That is why the war began in 2014, when the people of Ukraine overthrew the power of kleptomaniacs and criminals (Yanukovych and company), which set an example for neighboring countries - primarily Russia. It is Putin who is terribly afraid of the loss of power, because for him, a change of power means real death! Why ? Because for his work, he caused so much trouble and grief to people that at the first opportunity he will be destroyed by the "bloodlines". It’s not for nothing that “the greatest politician in the world, the most beloved president of Russia” has been hiding in a bunker in recent years, if he arrives at some event, the city simply dies out, and people move 2-3 km away from the place of his presence Such is “love and honor "in his country with a population of which 98% vote for him

And if you go back to the topic of the topic - I'll add. If the US military-industrial complex really earns income by receiving government orders and receiving money from the budget, then in Russia the military-industrial complex is just a huge industry for plundering budgets. That is why all of them "unparalleled weapons" that were so promoted by the Russian military-industrial complex and Putin himself turned out to be fake, a dummy, incompetent models and window dressing. Because most of the allocated budget funds were simply stolen at the very top level. So one of the reasons for Russia's loss in the war against Ukraine is their corruption and kleptomania

for me, war is the same as economics, government officials have of course calculated the gains and losses from the war, they issued capital in the form of weapons and soldiers, of course the next government must have more profit than that, maybe it can be in the form of a supply of resources nature or something. but the war made civilians especially suffer, even to the loss of their brethren. especially for colonized countries, of course, more suffering will be felt

Basically the businesses behind the arms production benefits the most because of the demand. But technically in general, no one benefits since the war effect directly hit the country's economy which was felt by so many country in the world, especially in Europe, Asia and even in US.

In fact, it is certain that whoever is in war will not benefit, it is certain that he will experience losses that will be prolonged and will disrupt the country's economy. winning or losing is the same as losing, because everything is sacrificed for the sake of the ego of the war, which will obviously have an impact on all existing activities.
completely agree that from the war the beneficiaries are those who make things worse by providing weapons and if they need more they have to pay and not yet with the need for food and clothing.
so war really doesn't have a good effect, so avoid war as long as the peace door can still be run.

I have a strong opinion that you do not quite understand what is happening, cause and effect. I can show you photographic facts that captured the wild, inhuman, indescribable crimes committed by the Russian terrorist army on the territory of Ukraine. This is not a war in the classical sense of the confrontation between two opposing camps. This is a psychiatric problem for the Kremlin under-furrer, who for a long time concealed this terrorist attack under various excuses, but then openly declared that our goal is TO DESTROY UKRAINE. No, not opposition to NATO, not opposition to the West, or anything else. just-destroy UKRAINE! Because she allowed herself - not to surrender to his desire!

The economic component - you are also mistaken. Sanctions against Russia have not been introduced since 2014, when Russia attacked Ukraine! I repeat once again - Russia attacked Ukraine, not in 2022, but in 2014. In 2022, feeling impunity, Russia unleashed a TOTAL terrorist war against Ukraine. And only AFTER that, sanctions appeared ... I recommend once again studying the facts and the chronology of this international crime by Russia ....

As I have said before, in the case of Russia and Ukraine, the winner, objectively speaking is who gets the territory of Ukraine after the smoke has cleared out and if Russia still bars the rest of the planet from its oil. These two things are very vital in declaring who wins this tussle. Let's not be poetic here saying no one wins in a war because let's face it, someone does. Otherwise wars wouldn't have been waged in the first place. I think I'm going off a tangent here but my point is that there's economy in war, and there's money to be made in businesses like these. Plus add to this the fact that this is a war waged for territory and resources too, so when all of this is said and done and a winner is objectively determined, the one who gets to keep the other's stuff while retaining theirs will win.

I personally judged it from the war between the two countries, Russia. Even though it was battered by many European sanctions, Russia was still able to reduce the inflation rate for 7 months in a row. This means that Russia also benefits. Then America is the most profitable from the sale of weapons and energy sources to Europe. The biggest loser is Ukraine. Really have to cry, drenched in blood and crying blood.
Russia is bad because it has been fighting Ukraine, but the US and its Alliance are in fact much worse because in all aspects they are very selfish.

Yes, there is an opinion that political power is always more important than the economy. 

Politicians reason like this - what is the point that the economy in my country will be in excellent condition if the president (king, general secretary, etc.) is not me, but some other guy? 

Therefore, politicians are primarily concerned with maintaining their personal power, recruiting loyal supporters, and creating complex political coalitions. 

The growth of the welfare of citizens is not a priority goal for politicians.  Especially for politicians in an authoritarian country.

Russia will no longer win this war, and this is already obvious. As soon as the weather is good for the offensive of heavy equipment and Ukraine receives the military assistance promised from the West, which is already arriving, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will counterattack and in May-June will inflict a residual defeat on Russian troops, and will also liberate almost all of their occupied territories.

Despite the mobilization of more than 300,000 of its citizens since September and the general offensive in eastern Ukraine, Russia has not been able to achieve any success at the front in recent months. Moreover, the largest armored offensive by the Russians near Ugledar turned into a major defeat, where over 130 armored vehicles were destroyed (including 36 tanks), and elite units of the Russian airborne troops were defeated. Moreover, these units never reached the front line and were completely defeated on the way.
Since May last year, Russia has been attacking the city of Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine to no avail. Almost the entire 50,000-strong Wagner PMC and the remnants of the 200,000-strong Russian invasion army in February last year ingloriously perished here. Russia is already running out of military equipment and now rarities from the Second World War are already getting to the front, and Russian troops are increasingly refusing to attack the fortified positions of the defenders of Ukraine. The Russian command has recently chosen the "meat rampart" tactic, when, without artillery preparation and armored vehicle support, it continuously attacks the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in small groups of 10-20 people. Probably in the hope that the barrels of their weapons will overheat in the Ukrainians or the cartridges will run out. Over the past 24 hours alone, more than a hundred attacks by the invaders have been repulsed, and their daily losses on the Ukrainian front often amount to more than a thousand people.

After such a defeat, Russia is unlikely to remain within its current borders. Five regions of Russia have already held an online referendum for secession from Russia and the formation of independent states. Further it will be even more interesting.

Obviously at least one politician. This isn't the only war in the world and in Russia vs Ukraine, it was Putin that "won", even if the war could be lost or won, which I do not know what the latest situation is but I am at least entirely certain that it wasn't as easy as Putin wanted it to be, and much harder than the 2014 version.

I still think that he won in the sense that he is keeping the full power to himself and we could all joke about "double shot to head suicide" as we all want, he is going to rule that nation until he dies thanks to moves like this and there is nothing the world could ever do. Hell, in a sense he won against Ukraine's president too, doubt that guy could get elected, even after all he did for his nation.

That is actually a very important point you raised here as well. Economies of scale due to international division of labor has an enormous impact on our output capacities, which is important as for a long time we had an ever growing population and along with it demand for all kinds of goods and services. How important optimal supply chains are and how the service sector is dependent them as well could very well be seen during the pandemic when China was the largest exporter of hygiene articles and equipment that was needed to provide inside and outside of hospitals. When supply chains stopped working optimally due to lockdowns, it took quite a while to fix the shortages and some countries were even forced to make up for stuck supply chains by ramping up their own production of certain products they usually obtained from abroad.

The war has now also shown how globally interconnected production and supply chains are. That is why Taiwan is a point of contention as well as it dominates the global chip industry and is key to countless production processes of vital technical products.

War is a big and serious disaster, a lot of infrastructure such as bridges, roads, public facilities, airports and others are damaged and even destroyed so that when the war ends many countries are in debt to build infrastructure, of course the countries that lose in the war will suffer greatly and it will take tens of years to recover, but there are those who benefit from war, namely countries that produce weapons, foodstuffs and others.

Yes, I agree with you that in the conditions of the collapse of the globalization system, all countries suffer economic losses. 

The system of international division of labor makes it possible to produce goods cheaply and in large quantities.  World peace allows you to build the most optimal supply chains.  All this leads to the well-being and prosperity of all countries.  Wars lead to economic losses, and these losses are borne not only by the parties to the conflict, but by the whole world as a whole. 

However, even in this difficult situation, some countries that carry out a balanced and adequate foreign policy receive certain preferences. 

These countries I would include Turkey, India and China, as well as the Arab countries.

You described it well and phrased an interesting question. I must say that the question, if you really think about it in detail, is an incredibly complex one and you would have differentiate on so many levels and in so many areas to come up with an answer that at least offers some level of detail.

You could say that China benefits from cheap energy since Russia is forced to find alternative customers because of the ban of Western countries. While China now has cheap energy, they are also an export nation that depends on frictionless markets and smoothly working supply chains. Is it a good deal to have cheap energy in exchange for markets full of frictions and disturbed supply chains? If you just calculate that in monetary terms, I guess China is worse off as they benefit the most from a vibrant global economy with them at the core of a main export nation.

But if you look at it from a political angle, China benefits from Russia doing the dirty work now, meaning that they are keeping the West busy with defending Ukraine while they can stockpile military equipment produced with cheap energy in order to prepare for some future confrontation.

Now this is just a tiny excerpt of what is going on in the world. The fact alone that Russia and Ukraine combined are responsible for almost 25% of the global grain export shows how critical they are to the global food supply especially in areas like Africa.

I doubt that any country as a whole is better off economically because of the war. Industries are, of course, but entire countries, I don't know. My guess would be no. If anyone knows better than me, I'd be interested in knowing.

Each party can benefit from wars according to its location and in its way. Military manufacturing companies benefit from providing conflict areas with weapons, and on this basis they do not mind supporting war decisions. And politicians benefit from these wars by invading new lands and benefiting from their goods. Most wars between countries are for colonial reasons.

In my opinion, Russia cannot get an economic gain in this war.

Suppose that Russia manages to annex the entire territory of Ukraine to its territory (up to the border with Poland)

Russia's main problem is the demographic problem - Russia has very few people to control such a large area of ​​the country.  

However, as a result of hostilities, people are dying - young sexually mature men.  Some boys and girls decided to leave the country for other countries (Armenia, Mongolia, Georgia, Finland, Dubai, etc.). This is due to the announcement of partial mobilization in Russia.

At the same time, in the new annexed territories, most likely, there will be a war with Ukrainian partisans.  

That is, people will continue to die even after the formal end of the war.

The biggest loser will be the EU. No matter what happens next, these guys are screwed. They have already lost. EU has lost it's cheap resources/fossil fuels (but not only that, also fertilizers and other stuff important for farming and agriculture, some rare metals, potassium etc) which will lead to many companies going out of business, lots of money spent on supporting Ukraine, lots of money spent on hosting refugees etc.

The biggest winner will be Russia, but only if they will manage to win the war. They will get morale boost, Ukrainian territory, people, remaining industry, sea ports  etc etc etc.

US and China will be neither winners nor losers. China will go on trading with both Russia and the US, nothing will change for them. The US will sell a sh*tload of weapons and military equipment all around the world and will be just fine too. They will experience a blow to their reputation of a superpower and "world police" status (only a couple of years ago they had to withdraw from Afghanistan).