Topic: War: who benefits and how! - page 11. (Read 1865 times)

I would guess that factories being so much in work and no other nation had the same chances made USA leap forward with selling stuff to rest of the world for a long time. Mainly cars, but even other things like fridges and washers and simple other stuff as well, hell even agriculture stuff too.

Because none of their factories were bombed, whereas all the other "rich" nations were bombed and didn't had any factories left, and even the ones that were standing were changed into arms manufacturers anyway. So, it's true that 50's and 60's were an amazing period for USA and that did helped them a lot. I keep supporting the idea that WWII would have ended, maybe a bit later, even without USA.

Just like any other business, war is a big, profitable business. There are so many people and organizations that profit during a period of war, but I am going to just focus on people who deal in arms and smugglers too.

During war, militias, separatists, the military, and individuals will need to defend themselves from their enemies, whoever the person or group may be. Because you cannot bring a knife to a gun fight, knowing that the sole aim of your enemy is to eliminate you, you will do everything possible to get a gun. The government won't sell guns to you; what happens, you turn to those who deal in them illegally— the arms dealers. The folks do not care who wins or loses. They just want to sell their guns and make a profit. And trust me, because the demand for arms will be high with a low supply of it, the price will skyrocket, and they will make huge profits.

Likewise smugglers, they can move people and goods in country and out of the country for a huge fee. It may be by air, land or sea they have the contact and as long as you have good cash, they are good to go. These people can smuggle high profile people, politicians, wealthy people out of the country. Their business booms in war.

For ordinary citizens like us, war is something no one wants to happen, nothing to be proud of, but for politicians looking for power, it is something they always want to do. Ukraine and Russia would have no interest in a war, but other countries would benefit greatly. Countries that sell weapons, countries that buy cheap oil and then resell it at a high price, Russia's opponents want this war to happen and last because only then can they contain Russia, even making this country obsolete...Too many people benefited when war broke out. That's why war has never disappeared from this earth.

The impact of the war, as a whole anyone can see that the two countries in conflict suffered losses, both enemies and victims of war, in terms of the economy is a factor impacting large losses, the loss factor of various economic aspects.
* Buildings were destroyed, many people died, trade, investors stalled, all structures related to the economy were paralyzed.

The impact of the war in terms of profits also exists, but only a handful of people, for example: those involved in the arms trade and others, however, if the war is thoroughly studied as a whole the biggest impact is losses. only a few people benefit from the effects of war.

Honestly, war is not a thing to be proud of. It is not good for any Country to go to war with another country or with itself the consequences are just too grave. It is true that when two countries go into war, there are some people or countries that benefits from it. But is it worth it? The conflict between Russians and Ukraine, the war between them is actually affecting some countries in Europe and Asia, there is no exportation of gas from Russian therefore any nearby country that has access to transport gas to Europeans will sell at a higher price and it will automatically affect the economy of the Europeans. Who suffers poor people.

Its usually weapon manufacturers but in the case of the Russia-Ukraine war Oil companies are also big beneficiaries of the war. With the ban on Russia  most of Asia and Europe looked to Gulf countries for oil supply. We aw the surge in gas prices all over the world. The Oil companies and Oil producing countries stand to gain from that.
In the weeks following Russia's invasion of Ukraine we also saw the stock of top defense companies like Lockheed Martin increase by 20%. This shows how much these companies make from these wars.
Pharmaceutical companies also benefits to an extent in wars like this. there are also risk to it but its highly profitable to these companies.   

Currently, drones are massively used in combat battles between Russian and Ukrainian troops.  These drones (they are also called "birds") are needed in very large numbers. 

They are lifted into the air and used for reconnaissance.  Without their use, it is impossible to prepare in advance for an attack or repulse an enemy attack. 

These drones are not industrial products.  They are assembled from Chinese components that are sold by Chinese merchants on Avito. 

At the same time, both Ukrainian and Russian soldiers buy them.  Chinese merchants don't care who buys their drones - they are only interested in money.

You are quite mistaken.
1. This war has been going on for more than 1 year. Russia attacked Ukraine back in 2014. Occupied part of the territory of Ukraine. This is the annexation of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, this is the capture and organization of a puppet separatist government in two sewers - the DPR and the LPR
2. This is not a war between Ukraine and Russia. It is Ukraine that defends its country, its people and its territory from an aggressor country. Which by the way acted as a guarantor of the inviolability of the territory of Ukraine, according to the Budapest Memorandum, when Ukraine abandoned its nuclear weapons. At the time of Ukraine's refusal of nuclear weapons, Ukraine had the third largest arsenal of nuclear weapons in the world, after the United States and Russia.
3. Everything that is happening now in the world is a manifestation of Russian aggression against Ukraine. And then also economic terror against the EU.

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Are you really not worried about the wild dissonance in what you say and what the Kremlin squeals to the whole world?
It is strange to hear your mantras for self-hypnosis, despite the fact that:
- The Russian economy is "bursting at the seams"
- Huge holes in the budget
- Isolation of an already very weak economy from the world economy. Before the start of the war against Ukraine, Russia's share in the world economy was 1.8%, now it is no more than 1%. Russia has become a raw material appendage of China and India
- The defeat of the army, and the complete fiasco of the tale of "unparalleled Russian weapons." Loss of the arms market, where until recently Russia held a leading position
- The status of a pariah country, now for decades.
- Impoverishment and degradation of the Russian population
- Loss of the largest oil and gas market - the EU
... you can list the "benefits of sanctions" for a long time
Do you seriously want to say that these are all positive changes?

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Have you ever read and someone said that War is the most profitable business?

surely some people are no stranger to the question.
I've even read a lot of news and articles related to this. that there are people who really benefit from war. And of course one of them is a military weapons manufacturer. the arms industry will certainly be the most preoccupied with this. because the more orders they receive.

even if you read about the income of the arms company then surely you will be very surprised.
like in the 2021 article I read that
" It turns out that the world has spent around 1.7 trillion dollars a year just for war. And for comparison: Turns out Global humanitarian funding is only 1.3% of that." (Sourch).

And if you read about the annual value of arms sales in every arms company, you will be amazed at how much they earn. So for the question of who will benefit the most, please conclude.

US can really do something about this since Zelensky only listens to the West. They could end the war. If they really want to.

Everyone wants to enrich and if they benefit from this war in any manner, they will do it. India and China benefits from cheap oil as well. But thats just what they do. None of them gets sanctioned yet.  But its not just US who can sanction these days.

Not devastating to bankers however - quite the opposite.

You see, after a war, the countries involved get loans from banks to improve their economy (money which they can create from thin air as an entry in the database because they are allowed to). They have to pay regular interest fees to those banks, and that makes the owners of those banks stinking rich. So they actually profit from the outcome of a war, either direction it goes - as long as their own country is not invaded.


See the paragraph above. It's because they loaned money to the Allies and Axis countries.

Who is the neutral authority that decides which country is at fault and must be punished? So far we have seen that country that is powerful decides what is right (or might is right). We have seen USA invading Iraq for finding WMDs and ends up saying there were no WMDs there. Is there any compensation for human lives lost in Iraq due to this invasion? Since USA is super power no one questioned him for that adventure. There are many stories like that.

World War II did not take place in the United States of America.  

The main fighting took place on the territory of modern Ukraine, Belarus and Russia, as well as other European countries.  

The United States, after the end of World War II, became a powerful country precisely because its territory was not affected by hostilities.  At the same time, the industry and agriculture of many potential US competitors were completely destroyed by the war.  

If you want your country to become powerful and prosperous after the end of the war, then it is necessary that military operations take place as far as possible from the territory of your country, so that neither shells, nor missiles, nor bombers reach its cities.

Bitcoin holders also get the benefit of this war isn't? where the Bitcoin price was slightly drop and it's make people who have cash or stable coin can buy the dip.

Anything beside war will have both advantage and disadvantage, it just depends on your side. Just like this war, are you a Russian? a Ukrainian? or country who sell weapons? Both Russia and Ukraine get the disadvantages, while country who sell weapons are get a lot advantages.

then this is truly a benefits lol.

but does this not making them prone from the sanctions of whom who supports russia?

but either way this is truly a good thing for them and their people(if not being abused by the corrupt government as we knew about north africa)
but still war is devastating and not to be tolerated right?

Pardon! I do disagree with your statement here that in war non of the belligerent country benefits in anyway in the way. Let use the case of the WW2 between the USA and the Japanese, dis you know that part of the world power the USA wield today was due to the  resultant aggression of the atomic bombs dropped in the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945. The effect of such act paid the USA an influence of a world power among other nations of the world. So doesn't that sounds like a benefit?

You have a point there, I forgot after the war, Ukraine will need a lot of money to rebuild the country, and that will be an opportunity for the banks, which will even make more money than contractors selling weapons. Because it takes decades for a country to recover economically after a war.

We all expect the war to end soon, but that won't happen anytime soon, as it seems the major powers have yet to reach an agreement on the division of profits. The war has entered its second year, and I doubt it will end this year, it will be a multi-year war.

The winner will be the country that sells the war equipments to the country involved in war. Almost every country have got a big allocation on their budget for security and systems development. This fund is being used continuously on production, and beyond some point there happens accumulation. How this can be used, only during war. Even there are discussion that war is being triggered by few nations for their weapon trade. I'm not sure on it.

The two sides always lose but the ones who have more friends always win financially and quickly recover from damage. Look at Ukraine from example, despite the way Russian has been attacking them, they still have all the support they need from other countries while Russia is seen as the bad country, they continue to receive donation from different countries and heavy funding from US. Russia is loosing value from other countries because of puttin and Ukraine is gaining value from other countries but I think things might settle down when Puttin tenure comes to an end.

In my opinion, actually no country benefits from the Russia vs Ukraine war because:
- Russia's oil and gas sales are up but it's also costing a lot for the war not to mention the losses due to sanctions
- China experienced a decline in economic growth including all countries in the world.
- America is experiencing an economic crisis and inflation even though its military industry is alive and well.
- European Union economic crisis and energy scarcity
- Ukraine is devastated by huge debts to the European Union

if Russia wins the war, America and Europe will lose big, because it is impossible for Ukraine to repay its debts.