Topic: Wasabi Wallet - Open Source, Noncustodial Coinjoin Software (Read 10759 times)

Plus it's probably better to add a layer of privacy by first sending those outputs you want CoinJoined to yourself through the Lightning Network, no?

Even if you used a service that checks your coins for "taint" and "dirtiness" before allowing you to coinjoin, it's not going to trigger any red alarms if the bitcoin came from a known centralized exchange. However, when you do it the other way and coinjoin before depositing to a CEX, you might have to answer a few questions about the source of your coins, why you coinjoined them, etc. 

I'm asking for a friend - If a person bought his/her Bitcoins from a centralized exchange, and he/she wants to maintain some privacy before sending his/her coins in cold-storage, are there some centralized coordinators that are currently filtering outputs to prevent their tainting their coordinator's pool?

are there some centralized coordinators that are currently filtering outputs to prevent their tainting their coordinator's pool?

On chain fees are below the monthly median, it's a great time to coinjoin if you haven't taken the opportunity yet!

Freesabi now tracks paid coordinators as well, they have rebranded to "Liquisabi" https://x.com/LiquiSabi

If you are not buying any data can you confirm if you are selling or sharing or giving away any data from users that use your coordinator?

Specifically, are you harvesting any data from users that use your coordinator or are you backing up any information from when users visit your site including any coinjoin information such as addresses, amounts, date/time or even IP addresses etc

No, I'm not buying any data from anyone.

It seems Wasabi blog is broken again. This time i received message "SSL handshake failed Error code 525" from CloudFlare. I've tried few browser and even asked archive.org to make an archive on https://web.archive.org/web/20241107102003/https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/ with same message.

And it was debunked:

Since the coordinator code is all open source, you get to decide your own criteria yourself.

You seemed to have no problem back then and even now to the fact that zkSNACKs was using blockchain analysis without even explaining their process of implementation and what data was being retained by the third party analysis company.

Having said that, it raises a pertinent question. Are you making use of the same blockchain analysis for your Kruw coordinator as zkSNACKs did with their Wasabi Wallet?

I already addressed this:

Wasabi or zkSNACKs aren't private customers, though. They are businesses using the services of other business entities (blockchain analysis) whose version of the truth and estimation affects their own operations. In other words, you accept the decision of the blockchain analysis company's views regarding the cleanliness of my UTXOs. My participation in your coinjoins depends on the truth the blockchain analysis firm serves to you. I call that a partnership and cooperation. You are free to use any other terms you like.

How do you know stolen coins are getting rejected? You keep talking about open-source, where can we see these rules publicly?
According to whose criteria will certain UTXOs be added to whatever list is being used to determine naughtiness of coins?
Who made that list and in whose name? What entity or government agency is responsible to maintain it, make changes, and decide what's good and what's bad?
Who do I get in touch with if my UTXOs were rejected for reasons unknown to me?

Being in possession of stolen money or other means of payments doesn't necessarily make the owner a thief. You do understand that money and crypto circulate. As someone involved in the crypto business, you should know that those rules your blockchain partners present to you can't be applied to cash and fiat, otherwise a lot of it would have to be confiscated and taken out of circulation because many bills had contact or were used in illegal actions at one point in their past.

The man who refuses to judge, who neither agrees nor disagrees, who declares that there are no absolutes and believes that he escapes responsibility, is the man responsible for all the blood that is now spilled in the world.
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There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil. The man who is wrong still retains some respect for truth, if only by accepting the responsibility of choice. But the man in the middle is the knave who blanks out the truth in order to pretend that no choice or values exist, who is willing to sit out the course of any battle, willing to cash in on the blood of the innocent or to crawl on his belly to the guilty, who dispenses justice by condemning both the robber and the robbed to jail, who solves conflicts by ordering the thinker and the fool to meet each other halfway.

You promoted and propagated the use of Wasabi Wallet while they updated their terms and conditions to include the use of at least one blockchain analysis company. Instead of jumping ship when they quietly slipped in the blockchain surveillance caveat, you stayed with the Contributor to Wasabi Wallet tag because you wanted to. Where were your morals and ethics when they would really have mattered? You did not take a stand against blockchain analysis at that time when it was important to demonstrate leadership therefore you have no right to attack others just because you think they did not take a stand.

You are using the terms "partnership" and "cooperation" to describe a relationship between a customer and a business, which is misleading.  There are companies whose business model involves aggregating reports of coins being stolen, and zkSNACKs buys those reports in order to avoid accepting those stolen coins.  If zkSNACKs were to buy a McDonald's hamburger, that does not mean "zkSNACKs is partnering with McDonald's".

If you want to know what sort of cooperation and partnerships zkSNACKs is involved with, here's a short list:

- $2,500 monthly donation to the Tor project (https://zksnacks.com/)
- 1 BTC donation to the Human Rights Foundation Bitcoin Development Fund (https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2020/06/25/summer-2020-is-funding-season-for-open-source-bitcoin-development/)
- .86 BTC donation (along with Bull Bitcoin) to Bitcoin Knots developer Luke Dashjr (https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/bitcoin-knots-donation/)
- 1.11 BTC grant for privacy research on the Lightning Network (https://lightningprivacy.com)
- 3.4 million sats (so far) to the best bruteforcer in the community (https://www.huntingsats.com/)
- Sponsorships of Bitcoin educational podcasts such as What Bitcoin Did, Bitcoin Takeover, and What Is Money?
- Sponsorships of Bitcoin events such as BTCPrague, Bitcoin Amsterdam, Baltic Honeybadger (and others I'm sure I'm missing)

You're a liar. I couldn't have been more insistent that people run their own coordinators:


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62811294


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62823635


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62830686


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62835413


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62845744


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63115339


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63116005

I don't support blockchain analysis and never have. I acknowledge that blockchain analysis is extremely easy, hence, the necessity of privacy tools such as Wasabi Wallet.

Whether any other forum member or ex-member promoted a blockchain surveillance company (or partnered with them) is not really an issue in this thread. You are the OP that created this thread to promote Wasabi Wallet and you were promoting them while they were justifying using blockchain analysis.

I am surprised you forgot that it was you that was happy to partner with Wasabi Wallet and a blockchain analysis company in order for their users to have their transactions analysed (and literally surveilled).

Why did you promote and support blockchain analysis through Wasabi Wallet?

I'm surprised you didn't notice that o_e_l_e_o partnered with a blockchain surveillance company:

You still did not prove your claim that o_e_l_e_o stole data of innocent people which I was asking you to,

Where is the proof?

I'm surprised you didn't notice that o_e_l_e_o partnered with a blockchain surveillance company:

o_e_l_e_o's acts were inhumane, did you forget that he joined satoshi's forum to steal money and data of innocent people?