Pretending? No ser, merely asking for fairness sake. We can assume that some of them are scams, OK, but ALL of them? I believe not. But if you could provide the verifiable data showing that all of them actually are scams that don't do the service that they claim, then that would be very useful, thank you very much.
Stop repeating this false claim,
you never provided proof that ANY of these scamming sites provide a service:And mixer's receiving address is merely another peer in the network, no? Centralized mixers, like centralized exchanges, are merely providing a service for the community.
That's my exact point:
A "mixing site" is just someone else's wallet. Unlike exchanges or casinos, a "mixing site" is not a service since there is no underlying purpose for the site's existence.
Because if the entity you call "the wallet" actually mixes their users' outputs well, then who are you to tell everyone that "there's no underlying purpose for its existence"? If it's a service and does the service well, then it's up to you to use it, or not to use it.
The entity's wallet doesn't mix users' outputs at all. There's absolutely nothing technological involved here that enhances privacy.
I'm talking about a hypothetical mixing service that actually does everything right, which may also exist somewhere, no?
Yeah, that's exactly my point that proves o_e_l_e_o and BlackHatCoiner's goal is to scam users out of both their coins
AND their data. You can't possibly mistake these scammers for "Privacy Advocates" since the custodians they promote don't provide any privacy whatsoever, despite the option for these custodians to issue fully anonymous Chaumian Ecash.
But if you believe that a mixer that was advertised in BitcoinTalk is/was merely an "entity's wallet" that does/did absolutely nothing, then please ser, kindly show us the data/proof of your findings.
Stop playing dumb, it's not like you could have forgotten that you still owe everyone on this thread an apology for your partnership with Sinbad
where's the data that those services actually didn't do their jobs in mixing their users' outputs? They probably did mix them, no?
No, we already established these sites do absolutely no "mixing" whatsoever, it's just a deposit address for the scammer's walletCentralized mixers might have flaws, there might be weaknesses, but those entities actually making no effort of mixing their users' outputs?
A mixing site is not "flawed". A mixing site does not have "weaknesses".
A mixing site has LITERALLY NO PRIVACY ASPECTS WHATSOEVER, A MIXING SITE JUST GENERATES A DEPOSIT ADDRESS FOR THE SCAMMER'S WALLET.Because not all centralized mixers are built the same, no? Although you make a good point of telling us that there are bad actors out there, but there must be those good ones that do provide an actual service of making users' outputs untraceable?
I already explained this to you:
I'm talking about a hypothetical mixing service that actually does everything right, which may also exist somewhere, no?
Yeah, that's exactly my point that proves o_e_l_e_o and BlackHatCoiner's goal is to scam users out of both their coins
AND their data. You can't possibly mistake these scammers for "Privacy Advocates" since the custodians they promote don't provide any privacy whatsoever, despite the option for these custodians to issue fully anonymous Chaumian Ecash.
many of them also try to build a real mixing service to make their users' outputs untraceable after the mix, no?
No, they don't. I already explained this to you:I'm talking about a hypothetical mixing service that actually does everything right, which may also exist somewhere, no?
Yeah, that's exactly my point that proves o_e_l_e_o and BlackHatCoiner's goal is to scam users out of both their coins
AND their data. You can't possibly mistake these scammers for "Privacy Advocates" since the custodians they promote don't provide any privacy whatsoever, despite the option for these custodians to issue fully anonymous Chaumian Ecash.
I understand, you already posted about that.
Then why are you still pretending like there's a chance these scamming sites are providing a service?
But the burden of proof on what? That my opinion is that there are centralized mixers that accept the trade-offs of being centralized/be a trusted-third-party to do what their service is supposed to do?
Yes, you've had a week to justify
your opinion with a single shred of proof that supports it:
BUT like you posted in your post before, you have no data to the claim that any/all centralized mixers are mere wallets that do not mix their users' outputs. No data = no proof = ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The burden of proof is on you, not me.
You accuse ALL of them of being scams? OK, then please provide the data/proof of your claims.
The burden of proof is on you, not me.
And after a week you failed to find
any proof whatsoever of a "mixing site" actually performing a privacy operation on the deposits of their users in the process of stealing them. Since you clearly know that "mixing sites" are scams, why do you continue to pretend there is a chance they are providing a service?
If those casinos or exchanges are non-KYC then that might be possible but the source is still exposed to them and if harvested can be linked to future transactions.
The only problem I have with your explanation is that you are making the assumption all third party mixers are mixing in a manner that will lead back to the source after blockchain analysis. If any third party mixer implement conjoins as their mixing process, how is that less private than using a third party coordinator (Kruw or Open Coordiantor) for coinjoins?
If "mixing websites" started coordinating coinjoins instead of doing transparent banking, then there wouldn't be any privacy issue or a custody issue.
