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Quote from: teramit on September 16, 2018, 04:16:13 PM

When price drops over and over everybody thinks that is bad and their invesment is going to loose or they already in loose. Generally this causes loosing hope to that coin, and people generally sell and exit from market.This maybe great for manipulators because they want to control market. right now there is a resistance to manipulators and this causes manipulators to gain less. they earn with volatility and it is decreasing as you can see in yearly graph. so best option for manips is reducing volume so that they gain more control. And for to reduce volume they create hopelessness by lowering price. When you see price is going well to high points you feel better but they cut your dreams with a steep fall like just a few days ago. investors sells or waits that cause reduced volume. And when the volume decreases they can ride the price easily.

The only one thing which I saw when the Manipulators control the market is none other than " Profit " no else. Then, the no. 1 get affect by it are those traders who are ordinary dong trade to make profit as much as they can even for a small average percentage of it. But for the veterans/experts it is a good opportunity for them to buy a huge of it.

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Quote from: teramit on September 16, 2018, 04:16:13 PM

When price drops over and over everybody thinks that is bad and their invesment is going to loose or they already in loose. Generally this causes loosing hope to that coin, and people generally sell and exit from market.This maybe great for manipulators because they want to control market. right now there is a resistance to manipulators and this causes manipulators to gain less. they earn with volatility and it is decreasing as you can see in yearly graph. so best option for manips is reducing volume so that they gain more control. And for to reduce volume they create hopelessness by lowering price. When you see price is going well to high points you feel better but they cut your dreams with a steep fall like just a few days ago. investors sells or waits that cause reduced volume. And when the volume decreases they can ride the price easily.

I am agree with your opinion regarding the control of weak markets with using liquidity gaps on trading depth on main entry-exit levels. Pro level traders can use this knowledge and known techniques for their own benefit, planctons goes with flow as a victim of this hunting activity. Mainstream serves this consequences for making more panic environment, this action turns to blood bath as a market sell orders.

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Quote from: teramit on September 16, 2018, 04:16:13 PM

When price drops over and over everybody thinks that is bad and their invesment is going to loose or they already in loose. Generally this causes loosing hope to that coin, and people generally sell and exit from market.This maybe great for manipulators because they want to control market. right now there is a resistance to manipulators and this causes manipulators to gain less. they earn with volatility and it is decreasing as you can see in yearly graph. so best option for manips is reducing volume so that they gain more control. And for to reduce volume they create hopelessness by lowering price. When you see price is going well to high points you feel better but they cut your dreams with a steep fall like just a few days ago. investors sells or waits that cause reduced volume. And when the volume decreases they can ride the price easily.

Manipulators wants the market price to drop so they can invest a huge amount while the price is low and take advantage of the current situation, everyone wants to earn profit and that is the reason they are creating fake news.

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Quote from: figmentofmyass on September 16, 2018, 05:11:21 PM

these "resets" are happening in both directions because that's what happens in a range---there's no momentum in either direction to cause a breakout.

They indeed happen in both directions, but I recommend you to closely follow the correlation with platforms as BitMex and Bitfinex to see how all these resets aren't happening naturally, but are planned and leveraged. It all happens within the trend and there is no reason to cause a breakout. It's just a way to maximize profits while the market is going down anyway, that's it.

Quote from: figmentofmyass on September 16, 2018, 05:11:21 PM

plenty of whales have been slaughtered mercilessly by this market, especially in the older days. having a bunch of coins doesn't mean whales knows shit about trading. for some reason, people just assume these people are profitable and remain whales. they aren't and don't. they're not much different than the 80% of traders that lose money.

I'm talking about current market and not the older days. There is no point in denying that without the mass affecting the market, it has become pretty predictable, and that's exactly what the "manipulators" I referred to are exploiting. If you lose in current market, you're not doing well as whale.

Right now we're in the process of working towards another lower high, which will end up peaking somewhere around $6800-$6900 (don't think it will exceed $7000). The same calculated resets will yet again occur and be leveraged to the maximum, keep an eye out.

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I recently watched the series Billions. ((I recommend everyone to watch) And there was one thought of manipulation on the stock exchange. They could go to jail for that. But this applies to the exchange, but not cryptocurrency. But I am sure that soon there will be a body that will control the movement of sharp fluctuations up or down. This is a manipulation of whales that aim to make money.

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Quote from: teramit on September 16, 2018, 04:16:13 PM

When price drops over and over everybody thinks that is bad and their invesment is going to loose or they already in loose. Generally this causes loosing hope to that coin, and people generally sell and exit from market.This maybe great for manipulators because they want to control market. right now there is a resistance to manipulators and this causes manipulators to gain less. they earn with volatility and it is decreasing as you can see in yearly graph. so best option for manips is reducing volume so that they gain more control. And for to reduce volume they create hopelessness by lowering price. When you see price is going well to high points you feel better but they cut your dreams with a steep fall like just a few days ago. investors sells or waits that cause reduced volume. And when the volume decreases they can ride the price easily.

I believe this is exactly what is happening and why prices are so low and the action is so gut wrenching to holders. They are trying every psychological trick in the book to get you to sell. They may whip saw us around a bit as well. May be able to trade it short term.

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There are rumors about manipulations on prices even on exchange platform there are speculations too, i guess those are true then. It's hard to really compensate when it comes to that because whales really are all the beneficiary and that's give them a whole lot of profits when they manipulate price so that they can gain from it. They can set low prices and spread FUDS to easily bait to the price and when they succeed they can sell high prices and dumped all. Sad but true, its commonly cycled as daily basis.

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Manipulators are obviously looking for how they can make quick from the market, so they throw up certain things that are capable of making one indecisive.

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Crypto market manipulators are motivated by one factor- the desire to make profit at the expense of others...

This is basically the general situation in business and that is why there are cacus and insiders who give and withhold information from general public because information is power. They can also hold back some quantity of goods to create artificial scarcity.

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Quote from: 1Referee on September 16, 2018, 04:47:50 PM

I think the 'manipulators' are less frightening than some of you might think. It's probably safe to say that the spot market has become nothing more than a tool to boost their leveraged trades on platforms such as BitMex. Back in the days it was more like them accumulating plenty of coins, pump the market, then dump at others. Right now it's more like them solely resetting the spot market to levels within a safe range.

There doesn't seem to be much desire for them to tank the market to insanely lower levels for maximum profits (at least for now). If they are in for a wild ride, they'll just increase their leverage multipliers and reset the spot market to levels at which their gains are satisfying enough. As long there is enough respect for $5800 people should not worry.

Exchanges globally should put some effort into finding out who and what is contributing to these obvious price resets. As long as that doesn't happen, whales will continue to have free game.

Yes, manupulators are less frightening than those people that always dump when they see they are lossing. If we can ride what these manipulators do, then we could also ride the benefits they get. Example when they let the market drop, then all we need to do is buy coins and hold until these manipulators make it rise again. All these is possible only if there is real manipulators.

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Quote from: 1Referee on September 16, 2018, 04:47:50 PM

I think the 'manipulators' are less frightening than some of you might think. It's probably safe to say that the spot market has become nothing more than a tool to boost their leveraged trades on platforms such as BitMex. Back in the days it was more like them accumulating plenty of coins, pump the market, then dump at others. Right now it's more like them solely resetting the spot market to levels within a safe range.

There doesn't seem to be much desire for them to tank the market to insanely lower levels for maximum profits (at least for now). If they are in for a wild ride, they'll just increase their leverage multipliers and reset the spot market to levels at which their gains are satisfying enough. As long there is enough respect for $5800 people should not worry.

Exchanges globally should put some effort into finding out who and what is contributing to these obvious price resets. As long as that doesn't happen, whales will continue to have free game.

it's just supply and demand. what makes you think "manipulators" have the ability to regularly move the spot market to their whims? markets trade in a range the vast majority of the time---that's true of all markets, not just bitcoin. these "resets" are happening in both directions because that's what happens in a range---there's no momentum in either direction to cause a breakout.

a large holder might iceberg large sells at resistance, but whether or not a top actually forms there is really just up to the market. plenty of whales have been slaughtered mercilessly by this market, especially in the older days. having a bunch of coins doesn't mean whales knows shit about trading. for some reason, people just assume these people are profitable and remain whales. they aren't and don't. they're not much different than the 80% of traders that lose money.

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Quote from: teramit on September 16, 2018, 04:16:13 PM

When price drops over and over everybody thinks that is bad and their invesment is going to loose or they already in loose. Generally this causes loosing hope to that coin, and people generally sell and exit from market.This maybe great for manipulators because they want to control market. right now there is a resistance to manipulators and this causes manipulators to gain less. they earn with volatility and it is decreasing as you can see in yearly graph. so best option for manips is reducing volume so that they gain more control. And for to reduce volume they create hopelessness by lowering price. When you see price is going well to high points you feel better but they cut your dreams with a steep fall like just a few days ago. investors sells or waits that cause reduced volume. And when the volume decreases they can ride the price easily.

all this can be called trading psychology. If the mood in the market is upward, ie bulls manage the market, more and more people want to go at this moment. They assume that the growth will be even higher. But so do all the people in addition to large investors.
Investors choose the time and price in the market, when there was a collapse, when the mood of all holders is bad. Investors are waiting for the moment when many will lower prices almost to the bottom. Big investors are waiting for panic. Panic in the market is the best time for an investor.

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yes you are right about your idea of these manipulators if there is, but at some point they believe in the future of cryptocurrencies that is why they keep on coming back as soon as the price drops and volumes thins

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I think the 'manipulators' are less frightening than some of you might think. It's probably safe to say that the spot market has become nothing more than a tool to boost their leveraged trades on platforms such as BitMex. Back in the days it was more like them accumulating plenty of coins, pump the market, then dump at others. Right now it's more like them solely resetting the spot market to levels within a safe range.

There doesn't seem to be much desire for them to tank the market to insanely lower levels for maximum profits (at least for now). If they are in for a wild ride, they'll just increase their leverage multipliers and reset the spot market to levels at which their gains are satisfying enough. As long there is enough respect for $5800 people should not worry.

Exchanges globally should put some effort into finding out who and what is contributing to these obvious price resets. As long as that doesn't happen, whales will continue to have free game.

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When price drops over and over everybody thinks that is bad and their invesment is going to loose or they already in loose. Generally this causes loosing hope to that coin, and people generally sell and exit from market.This maybe great for manipulators because they want to control market. right now there is a resistance to manipulators and this causes manipulators to gain less. they earn with volatility and it is decreasing as you can see in yearly graph. so best option for manips is reducing volume so that they gain more control. And for to reduce volume they create hopelessness by lowering price. When you see price is going well to high points you feel better but they cut your dreams with a steep fall like just a few days ago. investors sells or waits that cause reduced volume. And when the volume decreases they can ride the price easily.

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